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NASA's New Horizons Focuses On Pluto's Largest Moon Charon

MarkWhittington writes: New Horizons has already discovered much of what was previously unknown about Pluto, the dwarf planet that is the former ninth planet from the sun. NASA reported that the space probe has also uncovered some of the secrets of Pluto's largest moon, Charon. It has found indications of impact craters on the moon's gray surface as well as a chasm that seems to be bigger than the Grand Canyon on Earth. Charon has a diameter of just 1440 miles. By contrast, Earth has a diameter of 7918 miles.

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  1. Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everest by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really it's impressive before you think about it. The Earth has active plate tectonics and ongoing weathering. It should come as no surprise that planets which don't have more pronounced features.

  2. What is Pluto? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> Pluto, the dwarf planet that is the former ninth planet from the sun

    Thanks for the explanation - as Slashdot readers, we needed it.

    1. Re:What is Pluto? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

    2. Re:What is Pluto? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

      If there are dwarves on that planet, it makes sense that they'd have a prince.

    3. Re:What is Pluto? by Woeful+Countenance · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was also formerly the eighth planet from the sun, between 1979 and 1999.

    4. Re:What is Pluto? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty hilarious that the summary goes to such lengths to describe Pluto for us, but the next article with drop some acronym like DPITMD*, and everyone but a few people who happen to be in a relevant industry will scratch their heads and think "okay, but wtf is DPITMD?"

      * Describing Pluto In Too Much Detail

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    5. Re:What is Pluto? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      But on a planet of dwarves, the short man is king.

    6. Re:What is Pluto? by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      If there are dwarfs, where's Snow White then?

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    7. Re:What is Pluto? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Or, Prince style: The dwarf planet formerly known as the ninth planet from the Sun.

      If there are dwarves on that planet, it makes sense that they'd have a prince

      A dwarf prince formerly known as the prince of the ninth planet from the Sun.

      Come to think of it, the sun is a yellow dwarf star... *KAPOW*

      We now return you to your formerly uncontroversial life, upon one of nine planets circling a sun, soundtracked by an artist toiling in rebellion against their record label.

      let's go crazy... let's get nuts...

    8. Re:What is Pluto? by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

      Come to think of it, the sun is a yellow dwarf star... *KAPOW*

      Yellow dwarf despite being bigger and more massive than something like 90% of all stars in the universe. (Oh and it's white too but astronomers still say it's a yellow dwarf.)

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    9. Re:What is Pluto? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The planet formerly known as the planet formerly eighth from the sun?

  3. In SI Units by codesmith.ca · · Score: 2, Informative

    Charon has a diameter of just 2317 km. By contrast, Earth has a diameter of 12743 km.

    (FTFY - assuming statute miles, not nautical miles.)

    1. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The conversion is fine, but the premise is wrong. Charon's diameter is just 750 miles, or 1207km. The dimensions given in TFS are for Pluto.

    2. Re:In SI Units by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      At US interstate speeds of 75 MPH, and a road going from one side to the other, you could drive through Charon in roughly 10 hours. Driving through Pluto would take roughly twice as long. According to Google, the drive from Seattle to Dallas is roughly 3 Charon diameters. Driving from Seattle to Houston would be similar to driving all the way around the surface of Charon once.

    3. Re:In SI Units by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      Pictures tend to work better. Find Pluto and Charon in these:

      http://i.imgur.com/5Vzof1w.png
      http://kokogiak.com/solarsyste...

    4. Re:In SI Units by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Short buses or long buses? Buses with hoods, or the type with the flat front?

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    5. Re:In SI Units by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      I believe short buses, in honor of this conversation.

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  4. Then what? by rockabilly · · Score: 1

    I wonder what they have planned for the craft once it passes Pluto.

    1. Re:Then what? by xevioso · · Score: 2

      Supposedly it will continue out into the Kupier belt. First that have to get funding to pay for Astronomers to continue the mission, meaning paying the salaries of Astronomers to reprogram and monitor the craft. I don't know if Eris or any of the other larger Kupier belt objects are within easy distance, but it will take a few years for the craft to reach whatever specific object they have planned for it to go to next. It only has a little bit of fuel left for maneuvering, but it has SOME fuel left as I recall so they can probably send it someplace nearby.

    2. Re:Then what? by thermopile · · Score: 3, Informative
      By using up about 35% of its remaining fuel budget, New Horizons will be able to visit a Kuiper Belt Object. Interestingly, that potential object was spotted just a few weeks after New Horizons launched.

      Anticipated arrival date: January 2019. Be patient...

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    3. Re:Then what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that potential object was spotted just a few weeks after New Horizons launched.

      2014-06-27 - 2006-01-19 = 440 weeks.

    4. Re:Then what? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Your Kuiper gets belted.

  5. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Really it's impressive before you think about it. The Earth has active plate tectonics and ongoing weathering. It should come as no surprise that planets which don't have more pronounced features.

    Also, the Earth has much higher gravity. Surface elevation gradients are much more pronounced on bodies with lower surface gravity, even though they have higher tidal gradients. Mars' largest volcano, Mons Olympus, could not stand on Earth due to the 3x higher gravity here.

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  6. Who would have thought? by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    "has also uncovered some of the secrets of Pluto's largest moon, Charon. It has found indications of impact craters on the moon's gray surface."

    Wow! Who would have thought? That's a big secret for sure!

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    1. Re:Who would have thought? by Rei · · Score: 2

      What's more interesting is how few there are (on both bodies).

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  7. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by SkyratesPlayer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, some mountains (notably Everest) and the deep sea trenches are there because of plate tectonics, not despite it.

  8. With a chasm that large by Voyager529 · · Score: 2

    With a chasm that large, it should be easy to see the frozen Mass Relay. C'mon New Horizons, start melting!

    1. Re:With a chasm that large by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Please don't. Regardless what we do the result will be the same and our lives will end with one of 3 almost identical cut-scenes.

  9. That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    The center of mass in the Pluto-Charon system lies outside of either body. It's not a moon. They are a double (dwarf) planetary system.

    1. Re:That's no moon by Rei · · Score: 1

      Not according to the IAU and their definitions that one can only presume were conceived by a flock of drunken geese.

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    2. Re:That's no moon by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      They're just another body of knuckleheads with nothing better to do all day than debate if Pluto is a planet. I say it is, I'm bigger than they are and I take their lunch money. Pluto wins.

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    3. Re:That's no moon by bws111 · · Score: 1

      Earths moon has a name - Moon. The question is why did we start refering to the satellites of other planets as 'moons'.

    4. Re:That's no moon by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      A double dwarf? That's twice the insult. Rub it in, why dontcha.

    5. Re:That's no moon by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      Some of those bodies may be rotating around Pluto's barymetric point (gravitational center of mass). Some of them may be moons of Pluto, but we do know Charon is not one of them.

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    6. Re:That's no moon by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      That's what I want to know!

      Signed, S. Platyfish

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    7. Re:That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      If the center that is orbited is inside the mass of the 'mother' planet then it's a moon/satellite.

    8. Re:That's no moon by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      The 'dwarf' was in parenthesis because I don't agree with the IAU's distinction ;)

    9. Re:That's no moon by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

      All of Styx, Nix, Kerberos, and Hydra orbit the barycenter.

      And how do YOU know that?

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    10. Re:That's no moon by cusco · · Score: 1

      Celestial mechanics? Newton's laws of motion and universal gravitation? Those would be good places to start.

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  10. Re:Drop rate by Chacharoo · · Score: 2

    The data rate for sending images and other science data is really low. That's because of the extreme distance and because New Horizons has limited power (produced by its RTG). The images, once they get home, are going to be great, but it's going to take a while to get it all back.

  11. Re:Drop rate by xevioso · · Score: 1

    The best hires photos are going to come 19 months from now, I read. It just takes a long time to send a lot of data that far.

  12. Re: Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Evere by Rei · · Score: 1

    While it doesn't have water near the surface (possibly a fairly deep subsurface ocean), there are liquids that could exist near the surface. The pressure fluctuates wildly, but at today's pressure, it would take about 13 meters of slightly-porous nitrogen ice (more of methane ice) for nitrogen to be able to reach its triple point. That's the equivalent of the weight of less than 1 meter of ice on Earth, so not something abnormally strong or compacted. Additionally, there's all sorts of things that can be liquids at different temperatures and pressures... there could be some rather complicated fluid interactions as depth increase, and they'd change over time.

    That's not saying that there are liquids right now - and barring some sort of eutectic effect, I wouldn't expect to see any on the surface due to the low pressure. But there could be something akin to the earth equivalents of sea ice or rivers with frozen surfaces, and not all that deep.

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  13. Re:Poor Pluto by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    he gets a boost in star status with NDT, https://www.facebook.com/neild...

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  14. Correction by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    PLUTO has a diameter of 1440 miles.
    Charon has a diameter of 790.

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  15. Re:Drop rate by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    The rate at which new pictures are being released is very disappointing.

    That's because of the extreme distance and because New Horizons has limited power

    Comcast customers can relate.

    On a Sirius note, I wonder how Voyager II dealt with similar conditions at Neptune. It did have a tape recorder. I think it had more power and a bigger antenna than NH. But probably in or near the same order of magnitude. Once Voyager left Neptune, it didn't have a new target such that it had plenty of time for data relay.

  16. Re:Bigger than the Grand Canyon Taller than Everes by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Mars' largest volcano, Mons Olympus, could not stand on Earth

    Why, would it tip over?

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  17. Re: Drop rate by qwerty+shrdlu · · Score: 1

    During the fly-by New Horizons will be pointing its cameras and instruments at Pluto and the various moons, which means _not_ pointing the antenna at us. Later the probe will play back the recordings for transmission, but right now it's busy

  18. Re:Drop rate by cshay · · Score: 1

    This document shows the schedule for which camera will be taking what photos, the quality of the photos, and when they will be transmitted to earth:

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/Missio...

  19. Re:Drop rate by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Some nice subtle snarks there, but yeah. 50-60 years seems like a long time for "the preliminary reconnaissance of the solar system", but hey, yeah. Historically it's not really out of line with how it has happened in the past.

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  20. What are you talking about? by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

    Sirius had nothing whatsoever to do with the Voyager missions - it was all XM Radio! That's why Sirius failed. They were too busy faking the moon landing while XM was exploring the Galaxy! Turn in your geek card! LUSER!