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Iran Has Signed a Nuclear Accord
New submitter divide overflow writes: According to the New York Times, 'Iran and a group of six nations led by the United States have agreed to a historic accord to significantly limit Tehran's nuclear ability for more than a decade in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions against Iran, a senior Western diplomat involved in the negotiations said on Tuesday. The deal, which President Obama had long sought as the biggest diplomatic achievement of his presidency, culminates 20 months of negotiations.' Not everyone approves.
And Iran can delay inspectors for 25 days without any consequences as per the rules of the treaty. Deny access for so many days, the go before an arbitration panel that add another so many days, the delay for so many days if the panel rules against them, ... all total 25 days. Only after that can other even consider sanctions.
Plus in ten years they are free to research nukes? This deal is just a publicity stunt for the US. It's a fraud, just like the Clinton administration's deal with North Korea.
If you think an ISIS caliphate would be better than the West than a more positive relationship with Iran, all I can say is that you're mentally ill.
Seek help.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
I'm sure that this will work out at least as well as it did the last time a Dem US president made a deal to "stop the development of nuclear weapons".
I'm sure Japan, South Korea, and others in the region still remember that agreement with pride and joy.
-Styopa
Honest question. Do you think a nuclear weapons sized Uranium 235 extraction system (several thousand highly calibrated industrial sized centrifuges) can be moved in days, weeks, or even months? That is what weapons inspectors care about; not nuclear material (which could easily fit in the back of a truck), not nuclear reactors (which by any reasonable international agreements they have a right to), not engineering (which could be done in any random basement).
The extraction equipment is literally the only part of making a nuke that is significantly difficult to hide, it's the only thing the inspectors are actually spending time looking for. And it is far too large and complex an enterprise to hide in a few days time.
Not quite true; from what I recall, their democratically - elected gov't (back in the 50's?) was a threat to a particular western oil company with vested interests in Iran... and thus we have the situation you see today... ;)
So the next time the West decides to punish a country, at least that country knows there is a way out if they do something to change.
Except that Saddam Hussein agreed to disarm, and then we killed him.
Gaddafi also agreed to disarm, and turned over the Lockerbie bomber. We killed him too.
Historically, there has not been much benefit to acceding to American demands.
Nauseous - that which causes or induces nausea.
No, you're thinking of nauseating.
GP was using "nauseous" correctly. Not that I agree with anything else s/he said.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
never posed a serious threat to anyone except Hussein's Iraq.
And do remember, it was Hussein's Iraq that invaded Iran. Guess who actually "ordered" that invasion, and took the advantage of selling weapons to both sides. This is how money is made in the middle east. Saudi Arabia bought 60 billion dollars of weaponry from Hillary. And now they are using it, in Syria, Yemen, most likely Libya also.
This 'accord' is going to bring in lots of money, only now it doesn't have to be under the table, like it has been for the last 35 years. It really opens the marketplace.
And if you all are really worried about nukes over there. Look more closely at Saudi Arabia's deal with Pakistan. As the cliche says, with 'friends' like these, we need no enemies.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Sure thing, the out is simple. Dismantle the nuclear weapons program, stop supporting terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist.
Do those, all sanctions go away.
Israel could have peace tomorrow if they stopped treating Palestinians the way certain other people treated the Jews in the past.
http://world.time.com/2014/02/...
Iranian Foreign Minister Lays Out Condition for Iranian Recognition of Israel
Official's language marks a shift from previous rhetoric
By Karl Vick / Tel Aviv
Feb. 04, 2014
One day after senior Israeli government officials raised eyebrows at an international conference by remaining in the room when Iran’s Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif took the stage to speak, Zarif told a German television interviewer that Tehran could restore diplomatic relations with Israel in the event of a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. “Once the Palestinian problem is solved the conditions for an Iranian recognition of Israel will be possible,” Zarif said in the interview Monday.
The Arab League also offered them a peace plan on similar terms.
When you do something wrong, you're supposed to admit it, then say you're sorry, then promise you'll never do it again, then ask for forgiveness.
You're supposed to teach your children this stuff, shame that nations led by adults have such a hard time with it.
There is no shame in saying you're sorry when you're wrong. Iran might well find a lot of support in Europe if they came clean, the US wouldn't be in any position to push on Iran if they did. Nor would we have any need to.
If you are a Zionist then you are the biggest fucking hypocrite in the world. When did Israel ever admit that they were wrong, much less apologize, or ask for forgiveness, for acting like Nazis?
This was documented by investigators from the Goldstone Commission, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Ha'aretz, the New York Times, Washington Post, Independent, and others. The Israelis never investigated.
I'll tell you what Israeli Ambassador Ron Prosor said: They're all lying. Goldstone, AI, HRW, Ha'aretz, NYT, WP, they're all lying. They're all Jews who have gone over to the anti-Semites.
I hope the Israeli government and their well-paid PR firms are reading this and will see that their propaganda isn't working any more.
Israel is also a nuclear-armed terrorist state. Since they own the U.S. government, we'll have to depend on the Europeans to put pressure on them, and the boycott, sanctions and divestment movement seems t
Oh, and if you're going to say that Iran "supported terrorism," well not only is there no serious evidence of that,
How can you make such a ridiculous claim? Iran doesn't even deny that they support terrorists. More like they actually seem proud of it, and are flagrant supporters of a few terrorist groups.
So remind me, WHO'S the threat to world peace again?
Yeah, that's still Iran. I'm really not sure where you're confused here...
Except, he didn't actually disarm.
Wow, either Dick Cheney is posting to Slashdot, or there are TWO people in the world that still believe Iraq had WMDs.
No, we didn't, his own people did. Once he turned over the bombers, we largely left him alone.
... other than launching a war against him in 2011, and dropping thousands of tons of bombs on his supporters.
You are claiming the USA does not and has not supported terrorists, despots, revolutions?
Quite a few of the problems in the middle east today can be traced back to actions taken in the past by western nations.
The Palestinian problem wouldn't even be a problem if Palestine hadn't been taken away from the Palestinians and given to the Jews (first by the British at the end of WW1 when they created "Mandatory Palestine" and allowed the Jews in in big numbers then again at the end of WW2 when the country was split in two, then again when the Jews not only claimed independence for the Jewish part and called it Israel but proceeded to capture the Palestinian part and more land besides)
The current situation in Iran would likely not exist had the US and UK not kicked out Mohammad Mosaddegh in a coup (all because Mohammad Mosaddegh kicked out the British oil company and nationalized the oil industry)
Islamic State wouldn't be such a problem if the US had left things well enough alone in Iraq instead of launching a full-blown invasion just because some circumstantial intelligence suggested Iraq MIGHT have some WMDs somewhere (plus had the US and its allies not go into Iraq they would have been able to focus more on the war in Afghanistan and might not have taken 10 years to take out Osama bin Laden)
Perhaps you weren't alive during that time period, but Iraq invaded Iran at the behest of their sponsor.... uncle Ronnie... who then made mint selling weapons to both side, AND supplying Iraq with the chemical weapons it would use against Iran.
The CIA ousted the pro-western, democratically elected government of Iran in 1953, and put in place a sadistic dictator who used secret police squads to round up and jail/murder opposition. The Iranian Revolution finally through out that sociopath, and the US's response to that was.... install another sadistic murderous dictator in Iraq, and have him start a war with Iran. Then while trying to save their own cities from capture, his military used chemical weapons repeatedly to kill tens's of thousands. Of course, given the USA supplied them with the weapons, the USA was then nice enough to block any condemnation from the UN about their use.
After all that crap, do you actually not understand why the Iranian government generally has a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to the US?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/19/...
http://www.history.com/topics/...
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's
Mohammad Reza Pahlavi came to power during World War II after an Anglo-Soviet invasion forced the abdication of his father Reza Shah. During Mohammad Reza's reign, the Iranian oil industry was briefly nationalized under the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh before a U.S. and UK-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms
I'm not sure if i should point at you and laugh because you aren't capable of reading, or because you're not even as accurate as wikipedia..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Be that as it may, even the CIA has acknowledged what they did through FIOA releases. So please, feel free to argue with the CIA who, after 60 years, said "yeh, we did it" and see where that gets you. http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEB...
As for Reagan.. yeh, all that tells me is you probably weren't alive during the time, or too young to remember what was going on. He wasn't yet president, but as he confirmed in 1991, him and his republican posse were playing behind the curtain undermining Carter as they went. Pretty much everyone knew what had happened right afterwards anyway... right after Reagan was elected, the Iranian started accepting compromises to their "demands," and the hostages were released the day Reagan was sworn in.
So i'm sorry you have to read wikipedia to get a history lesson, and that you can't be bothered to actually read all of a single article on the Shah. You might check out the national archives to to see the CIA papers admitting what they did, unless of course, you think the CIA is lying bout that to cover up.. um.. i don't know, maybe a weather balloon traveling back in time to crash in Roswell after sucking ships in the Bermuda Triangle into an alternate reality to hide the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, and the last rational conservative.
Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization. See also: NAZI's