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'Pluto Truthers' Are Pretty Sure That the NASA New Horizons Mission Was Faked

MarkWhittington writes: Forget about Apollo moon landing hoax theories. That is so 20th Century. Gizmodo reported that the "Pluto Truthers" have followed the astonishing images being sent back by NASA's New Horizons probe and have come to the conclusion that they are faked. After all, if the space agency could fake the entire moon landing, it would be child's play to fake a robotic probe to the edge of the Solar System.

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  1. Is anything true? by GloomE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they should just go full solipsism and be done with it.

  2. Not an interesting story by Improv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you look around you'll find wackos of every kind. Unless there's a lot of these attention-desperate people, why should we be interested in this?

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    1. Re:Not an interesting story by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These people are only after attention, and by putting this story on slashdot, we've given them exactly what they wanted. No sane person seriously believes this or gives it even the least bit of credibility. Oh, and it's not really even funny either, if that was the angle - it's just sad. I'm not even going to bother reading the article, because I don't want to contribute any advertising traffic.

      My summary: Still plenty of attention-seeking morons in the world. News at 11.

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    2. Re:Not an interesting story by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you look around you'll find wackos of every kind.

      Some of them are trolls, I'll bet, just out to make mischief. But I personally know three people who are officially diagnosed with schizophrenia, and talking to them is sometimes illuminating, albeit extremely frustrating. Their world view is just too different to relate to.

      Delusional thinking isn't just for full blown schizophrenics, either. One woman I used to work with (and I thought was normal) told me one day about her encounter with a UFO and it's alien occupants. Wow, I did not expect that from her.

      When I was a very young kid, I either had visual hallucinations or maybe I was dreaming and only thought I was awake, but my experience was that I saw some really weird stuff. Stuff that can't possibly be true, so I can't exclude myself from the delusional category, either. Thankfully nothing like that has happened since.

  3. "Truthers" don't believe in *air* by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Truther" conspiracy nuts don't believe in *anything* they can't see, feel, hear, or touch themselves. They probably think the very *existence* of Pluto is a lie.

    You can make people go to school, but you can't force them to become educated. :(

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    1. Re:"Truthers" don't believe in *air* by msobkow · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally I think "truthers" are just very lonely and insecure people who are trying to boost their own egos through claiming to have "secret" or "superior" knowledge to the rest of the world. Kind of sad, really.

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    2. Re:"Truthers" don't believe in *air* by DutchUncle · · Score: 4, Informative

      Umm . . . they DID withstand plane collisions. Both of them. No toppling whatever. And when they collapsed from the heat of a Jet-A fueled fire (give the bad guys credit for picking the right strategic planes - fully fueled for long flights), they collapsed straight down rather than taking out multiple blocks in all directions. Sorry, I think your rating of "subpar" is incorrect.

  4. Truther? by Sideshow+Mark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At what point did Americans substitute the word "truther" for "crackpot"?

    1. Re:Truther? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      At what point did Americans substitute the word "truther" for "crackpot"?

      Sept 12, 2001.

  5. Re:But.... by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because of the Paypal link in the video description.

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  6. Re:Of course by gcnaddict · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nope. See, the way it was done was by employing ~19,000 to go forward with the mission, but at some point, a small team running maintenance on the mission mid-transit realized the mission failed when the probe was popped 2/3rds of the way through its flight. A plan was hatched with the NSA to use existing test code from the development effort to emulate signals from the probes at all the telescopes capable of listening to it. The NSA's role would simply be to install the interception equipment at the telescopes to man-in-the-middle the responses from the telescopes to the relevant computers in such a way that the expected test data would be injected. Therefore, you only had a small team of maybe ~50 which was involved in covering up the failure of the operation, including a few graphic designers who could create astounding mockups of Pluto and Charon extrapolated from a combination of the Hubble 2010 image with artistic direction guided by existing photos of Triton, a body very similar to Pluto. Introduce a scary software glitch mid-flight because nothing ever goes 100% right. As far as the ~19,000 knew, the mission succeeded.

    OR, the glitch a weekish before the rendezvous was the point where the graphic design and emulation teams would have to be brought in. THAT's what happened! It's just that the probe was unrecoverable from a software glitch!

    Or, you know, it actually went as fucking planned.

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  7. Smaller than our moon from about 80x distance by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 4, Informative

    The video criticizes the lack of definition in a high res shot taken of Pluto from 9 million miles away on July 3. Seriously, let's see how much detail we could get of our moon using a small telescope from that kind of distance.

    1. Re: Smaller than our moon from about 80x distance by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The claim is that using a modern day 20mp SLR imaging a planet the size of Jupiter, he can resolve better details using the same size telescope (which is itself false as the picture in question was taken with a 2in telescope, not the 8in telescope, but whatever!) and ignoring the fact that the image sensor on the probe is a decade old and only capable of 1024x1024 images... The guy wants advertising revenue and is getting it! Don't feed the trolls!

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    2. Re: Smaller than our moon from about 80x distance by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are we paying any attention to these people at all? To do so only encourages.

      Leaving their claims unchallenged encourages them as well. Or worse, it encourages others to be deceived and to embrace their crackpot theories.

      Sadly, somebody needs to address the unsustainable claims made by these nutters. It's tedious, but essential. Refute the error, assert the truth. Lather, rinse, repeat.

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    3. Re: Smaller than our moon from about 80x distance by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      On that note I am done reading this discussion, a few comments in. I advise the same to everybody else.

      Clearly you are a shill, hired by NASA, as part of the conspiracy to silence those of us not afraid to speak the truth. Pluto IS a **PLANET**, and this probe didn't go there. Look how bright the images are. There is no way a **PLANET** 7.5B km from the sun could be so bright. And the shadows are all wrong.

  8. Re:WTF? by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Presumably the same "area 51" nutters?

    Worse than that. A few hundred of the more extreme 'truthers' even deny that Pluto is a planet.

  9. Re:WTF? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    Really? Perhaps you didn't know it, but dwarf planets make a "whoosh"ing sound.

  10. Re:we prefer Little Planet by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course it's arbitrary, it's a definition, all definitions are arbitrary. No one really wants to memorize dozens of names of mostly tiny objects when they're in science class learning about the solar system, especially when a bunch of them don't even have decent names, but some alphanumeric designation. So we limit the list to the ones that are large enough to be of real interest. Before, we thought it was sufficient to make the cutoff line be whether they had enough gravity to become mostly spherical. Now we find out that there's a bunch of bodies that meet that definition. So we change the definition to exclude those, and call those merely "dwarf planets". But Pluto isn't big enough to make the cut, so it gets grouped in with the other dwarfs.

    So take your pick, do you want 8 "planets" and a bunch of "dwarf planets", or do you want dozens of "planets" to memorize the names of, most of them being little more than big asteroids?

    And stop complaining about it being arbitrary. If you defined "planet" to be anything that orbits the Sun, there's countless objects that do that, including who knows how many in the asteroid belt, plus far more in the Kuiper Belt. So the previous definition was arbitrary too, because no one wanted to group Saturn, Jupiter, or even Earth in with a bunch of asteroids just because of their orbits.

  11. Re:we prefer Little Planet by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are, and always have been, only seven planets: Moon, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. These are the Wanderers, known from the times before astronomy, before science, before even written history. Redefining "planet" in any other way is a corruption of the original concept: that some visible celestial bodies wander through the sky in predictable ways.

    Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus did not make the cut: they are invisible without telescopes. Earth didn't make the cut either, since this one is unique for other reasons. Moon comes before Sun since its effects are much greater: look at the tides.

    And that's the truth. Blpphlt.

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