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Popular Torrent Site Disappears From Google After Penalty

An anonymous reader writes: Following what appears to be a severe penalty, the popular torrent site KickassTorrents has become pretty much unfindable in Google. Meanwhile, the top search result in many locations points to a scam site that's serving malware to its visitors. For now, only DuckDuckGo presents the real site as a main result. With millions of visitors per day, KickassTorrents is arguably the most visited torrent site on the Internet, and has gained new users during the moments when the notorious Pirate Bay has been offline.

165 comments

  1. Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hideki!

    1. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by hackwrench · · Score: 2

      Not sure what your post has to do with the topic, but for those who are curious you are drawing from the anime, Chobits.

    2. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chi?

    3. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chi!

    4. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

      For the search term "KickassTorrents":

      google.com returns "kickasstorrents.video" as the first result
      google.ca returns "kickasstorrents.pw" as the first result
      bing.com returns "kickasstorrents.ee" as the first result
      duckduckgo.com returns "kat.cr" as the first result, with a big "OFFICIAL SITE" red label

    5. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) C'Mon, Bing s#cks bad. It is only "better" for content that is blocked on google and the owners of the content are too lazy to force a block on Bing because Bing is not relevant. 2) KickAss is probably blocked because most ads on the site are malware. So it is just Google protecting users from malware and Bing not protecting you from malware.

    6. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      google.com returns 1) kickasstorrents.video (fake site), 2) an advertisement and 3) kickasstorrents.eu (real site).

      bing.com returns 1) kickasstorrents.to (real site), 2) kickasstorrents.us (real site) and 3) kat.cr (real site).

      Bing is better.

    7. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bing is better.

      I know each of those words but have never seen them used in that configuration before...
      most curious...

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    8. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Bing is better.

      Don't worry. Once the MPAA figures out what Bing is they'll have the links removed to. Bing is like the retarded stepchild that's kept in the basement and not talked about.

    9. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pantsu! pantsu! pantsu!

    10. Re: Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better yet just go to the torrent freak website. They list the top 10 torrent sites and keep their links up to date. Torrent freak is also a great news site for the latest p2p happening. https://torrentfreak.com/

    11. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It appears as if Google is intentionally providing bad search results, probably because of legal pressure.
      Someone who provides a bad result as part of the design will typically not be better than one who accidentally does it.
      So I don't find it hard to believe that Bing is better, until they start doing the same thing.

    12. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by KGIII · · Score: 2

      It is posts like these that make me glad I do not know a damned thing about anime. They also make me less inclined to learn anything more about it.

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    13. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I find that Bing's results are often better than Google's. Unfortunately I seldom think to use them and Google is my default search and my home page should I ever actually reach my home page. (My browser opens up the tabs that were open when it was closed. I never really see my home page anymore. I am not even sure if I have configured it as of late.)

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    14. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is posts like these that make me glad I do not know a damned thing about anime. They also make me less inclined to learn anything more about it.

      Chiiiii..... :(

    15. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I do not know if that is good or bad. The frowny emoticon indicates you are unhappy but that could be a good thing. I also speak not one lick of Japanese, Chinese, or Korean, or am even really sure what language it is that is being used. I suppose that means I suck.

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    16. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      It's a nonsensical sound the main character uses for interaction in place of actual language

    17. Re:Points at DuckDuckGo by CmdrTamale · · Score: 2

      When it comes to dead crooners, some prefer Frank, others prefer Bing.

      I like Bing.

      So, there. It can be said and it might even be true. I might be lying.

    18. Re: Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ha. ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha. funny, and true.

    19. Re: Points at DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      untrue. i just typed kickasstorr into chrome on my iphone and my Google browser went directly to kat.cr

  2. fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I always liked https://kat.ph/ now all domains (http://kickass.so/ http://kickass.to/ etc) go to https://kat.cr/

  3. Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just like their search results. Kind of ironic that they have become a laggard in an industry they used to excel at.

    1. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Funny

      sad but true. Im finding myself using bing more and more because google is not giving me what i am searching for

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    2. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by amiga3D · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wahahahahahaha....damn that shit is hilarious. Sadly I have no points but you sure as hell deserve +5 Funny!

      Bing was set up on our computers as the default search engine but it only took about a week and now there's not a computer at work that still defaults to bing.

    3. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sad but true. Im finding myself using bing more and more because google is not giving me what i am searching for

      At least give them credit for jerking the Mozilla folks around.

      I can just hear them now:

      "If we turn Chrome's UI backwards so it reads from right to left, and make up some Star Trek technobabble reason for doing it, how long do you think it'll take before it's copied in Firefox?"

    4. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the point is still Google has lost its relevancy.

    5. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing ganjadude is searching for different stuff than your co-workers.

    6. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ganjadude · · Score: 0

      i joke but seriously, its getting harder and harder to find results that are not ads, or political spin anymore on the first page for the majority of my searches (cue the jokes about my name)

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    7. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Even my 93 year old aunt knows what Google is and uses it. Hell, how many times do you hear someone say "Google it." Even their damn name is synonymous with the word search.

    8. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even their damn name is synonymous with the word search.

      Doesn't change the fact that their search sucks. There's just no clear competitor yet who obviously sucks less.

      Just look at something as simple as trying to find a review of a graphics card, as I did a few days ago. Hundreds of retail sites which list the card, just because the page mentions 'review', before I get to an actual honest-to-god review.

    9. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      AltaVista? WebCrawler?

      Pepperidge Farm Remembers.

    10. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone was throwing a big party when politics was getting into social media, and now that they're here, they'll gobble up all of the internets while they're at it. And when they're not at it, the bozos that ran our crap into the ground are selling their services to the next highest bidder.

      I really don't think I'm that old, but I do want all these lying scumbags to get the hell off my internets.

    11. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point. I can confirm that this is a problem.

    12. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To Bing. I did about a year ago, as well as ditching all other Google services/products, and I haven't looked back once. Bing is a much better search engine than Google. It finds stuff that Google misses and it gives me points that I can redeem for stuff (such as 100GB of extra OneDrive space).

    13. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't want to know what Google does not want to find for you ;-)
      When I tried Bing to search something rare, at least half of the search terms had nothing to do with the result. Meaning MS just filled the result page with stuff that just contained few of the search terms but not all of them, so 99% of results where crap. With Google it shows me for each result if it does not contain a single specific search term. With Bing half the terms are missing but it does not tell me so...

    14. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Same thing that killed Altavista. A search site is only as useful as long as it can resist this.

    15. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the mobile world now. Content finds you.

    16. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      a lot of the time im looking for historical documents from the american revolution. Its so hard to find without some sort of left or right spin, out of context until page 7

      on bing lately anyway ive been finding what i need around page 1-3

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    17. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Even their damn name is synonymous with the word search.

      Just because you refer to searching as "Googling" doesn't mean that you have to use them for your searches. As I mentioned in another post I use Startpage.com when I want to google for something.

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    18. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      How does using a search engine gives you "points"? It means you're logged into a Microsoft account, so at one point in the future it's not going to be any better than Google, it could even be worst.

    19. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by fwarren · · Score: 1

      I am sure the average person who is googling out information on Justin Bieber or wants a new pair of shoes will find Bing works just fine for them. However I am an IT professional and Google just seems to get it right where Bing does not seem to have a clue about what I am looking for.

      I work with Linux and do quite a bit of programming as well as supporting Microsoft Windows desktops and servers. Every time I give Bing a chance with something I KNOW Google will show as the number one or two search result, Bing totally botches it up. Google just seems to know me to well. I can search for Screen and it usually realizes I am talking about GNU Screen.

      I give them a chance about twice a year. So far all I have received in exchange for trying Bing has been frustration and substandard search results.

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    20. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sad but true. Im finding myself using bing more and more because google is not giving me what i am searching for

      Honestly, I did the same recently. Bing doesn't seem to be nearly as censored as google is. Try searching for some particular anime for example. Google is sites about it, and bing is full of sites streaming it. I don't know which you want, but its nice to have a choice....

    21. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google seems to know you well?
      Oh I see what you did there.

    22. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you understand how to search, Bing is fine. Typing in "screen" and having GNU Screen come up is scary, because that means they are building search results based on your personal information.

      That's why I ditched Google. Microsoft doesn't do these kinds of things and my Microsoft account is Outlook and OneDrive only. They don't have any personal information on me (name, age, address, IP address) other than my searches, so I'm fine with feeding them that info. Google, on the other hand, uses every single means at their disposal to create full profiles of people and requires you to have a Google account in order to even use Android or Chrome OS. Microsoft will allow you to create an account using any email address that you want, you don't need to even sign up with Outlook.

      Obviously I'm not saying Microsoft is a beacon of privacy (though they are pretty good about it), but they are currently the least worst option.

    23. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by SacredNaCl · · Score: 0

      I find Google blocking things to be highly annoying. Try the search of Google shopping for a confederate flag or battle flag of Virginia as an example.

      I go to Bing, and the first results are relevant. It makes me wonder how many other things are being Google-Washed away. IMHO Google has hit the tipping point where it will start to drive users away to other search engines because of their corporate behavior.

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    24. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Doesn't change the fact that their search sucks. There's just no clear competitor yet who obviously sucks less.
      build one.

      Google won't think for you.

      https://www.google.com/#q=graphics+card+reviews

      Searching for review sites will list many sites that offer reviews on many graphics cards. Navigate their sites. You still have to actually think sometimes. Isn't that a hassle? To have to actually think?

      If you don't know where to read electronics reviews, you are very new and young. (or not really bright) Twelve year old kids have no problem finding reviews on PC graphics cards. I'm sure there are younger than that who have zero problem in finding reviews.

      No consideration to the amount of devices, brands, model #'s, UPC's, etc are even given above. You just blurt and spew like your below average keyboard warrior.

    25. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Firefox and Chrome owe most of their features to Opera.

    26. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by jaklode · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personalized search results might be scary, but are extremely useful.

    27. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by jaklode · · Score: 1

      You have to use Google, that's the definition of the word: ": to use the Google search engine to obtain information about (as a person) on the World Wide Web". If you use google as a general web searching verb, expect a cease and desist letter from Google's lawyers.

    28. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by jaklode · · Score: 1

      You're not using personalized search results then.

    29. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by pinzvidz · · Score: 1

      Excite? Oh, wait... I'll just step back into my TARDIS.

    30. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? How did you come up that? I prefer to use duckduckgo more now because of tracking but Google is working just fine.

    31. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1

      I think the point is still Google has lost [some of] its relevanc[e].

      "Relevancy" is said only by those who don't understand the root word. And not everything is an extreme. One event does not make the point that Google has lost all of its relevance. You do get points for properly spelling its, though.

    32. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by RDW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google won't think for you.

      Unfortunately, Google tries to think for you all the time, and usually make a bad job of it. You can't possibly be searching for [thing you typed], you must mean [thing with a similar name that's much more popular on social media this week]. You don't want established information about [thing you typed], you want 3 search pages of the same [parroted news story vaguely related to thing from this morning]. You don't want [famous torrent site], you want [misleadingly named malware domain because we've nuked the actual site for some mysterious reason of our own]. Once upon a time, Google was used by people who were happy to think for themselves. Now it targets the mass market, and has algorithms designed to second guess poorly constructed searches at the expense of dumbing down the experience for the minority of users who can put together a precise set of search terms. It feels like a blunt instrument now - finding anything obscure always seems to need multiple quoted strings (like AltaVista back in the day) and Verbatim mode.

    33. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google is great if you use it to not have to type in the full address of the page you usually visit.
      The problem is that Google tries to keep track of your interests to provide search results that are personalized and more relevant to you.
      This is all fine if you like to live in your bubble and never learn anything new.
      I often end up in situations where I have to leave my bubble and learn something that I've never been interested in before, in some of those cases it is completely hopeless to use Google, especially if the new subject has some overlap in expressions used (But with a different meaning.) with a subject I've previously searched on.
      DuckDuckGo provides different results that aren't part of my search bubble which could be useful, but it would have been better if Google found their way again.

      Right now Google feels a bit like an overtrained megahal bot. With too much training the responses become less creative and more just a repetition of the same.
      Now that I think about it it is probably not unlikely that Google uses matching algorithms that are similar to those megahal uses.

    34. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't have any personal information on me (name, age, address, IP address) other than my searches, so I'm fine with feeding them that info.

      I'm not sure whether it's funny or scary that you believe this is all they've done.

    35. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by inasity_rules · · Score: 2

      Simple solution: For work, use google and get optimised results.

      For whatever else you search (weird pr0n, I assume, it is always weird pr0n): use duck duck go and you won't (hopefully) be tracked.

      I have no fear.

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    36. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To hoover (primarily British usage) doesn't require a particular brand of vacuum cleaner.

      https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoover

      To google will change meaning if Google lose dominance.

    37. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google's "site:" hint no longer works the way it should.

      Try searching for "game of thrones site:kat.cr" and you'll see what I mean.

    38. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Google is as good as a centralized search engine is likely to get. But any centralized entity has an inherent evolutionary disadvantage in the Age of Information: it can be censored.

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    39. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Why do they suck and if they sucked shouldn't there be clear competitors which sucked less?

      How good is Yahoo? At least they too offer a massive mail. And lots of picture space too.

    40. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      Typing in "screen" and having GNU Screen come up is scary, because that means they are building search results based on your personal information.

      Or they might be tailoring the results depending on the User-Agent, in my case: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:39.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/39.0

      I figure they do something like: "If User has Linux Browser User Agent then give priority to Linux related search results"

      Explaining why GNU Screen is the first result when I search for "screen"

    41. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      try:

      "graphics card review -shop -buy"

      But I just slapped "Evga GT750 review" into google and the first 3 sites are actual reviews, the 4th being Evga's own site.

    42. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by sjames · · Score: 1

      I would love to see a cleanup for people trying to solve a technical problem. You do a search and find thousands of results where someone asks pretty much your exact question and instead of an actual useful answer, the thread dies after 4 or 5 people in a row berate the questioner and tell them to Google it. That, and of course, offer$ of possible answers (or not) from ExpertSexChange.com

      Admittedly, that may be a hard problem to solve in an automated way.

    43. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Just tried it. Your exact quote, copied and pasted. Worked fine. Gave me a bunch of listings from the correct site. Even HTTPS, too.

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    44. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I have been 'online' since the 1980s. Nothing personal but I sort of wish you would all go home. I may be stuck in my ways but I still blame AOL for the changes and I blame them for the death of USENET as well. Dirty bastards...

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    45. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Few people realize this. I am a long-term fan of Opera and have noted such frequently in the past. One thing to note is that Opera has now changed and is based on the same engine that Chrome uses. There is now a stable version of the new version though there is also a beta track (I have one Windows PC on it) but I have no idea how to get back onto it with other computers.

      The others, including this, are all on stable releases. I have not actually looked to see how to get onto the beta track though and the version numbers are different after updating. I have not found a repo with the latest Opera build in it either so one must go to the site to get it. There is also a beta (maybe stable - I have not checked) developer's version of Opera available.

      It is also open source so you can poke at the source, fork it, or do whatever you want with it now. This is a bonus for those who are interested. I have yet to find anything compelling enough to make me delve into it. I have found (and reported) a few bugs however. They are not dire enough to impact my browsing experience so I have not bothered to try to fix them and I am not at all sure that I could.

      The Git is here:
      https://github.com/operasoftwa...

      Enjoy.

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    46. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I really think we could do with a bunch of new search providers (even paid *gasp*) who specialize in certain areas such as history, science, technology, news, etc... The subjects are so disparate that one provider really is unlikely to be able to effectively give results at a level beyond that of a layman. Having specialist searches would be, I think, a good thing even though it may fracture the market. I suspect that we would have to pay somehow though they could be ad supported but that leads to an extra level of complication in their business model.

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    47. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Skylinux · · Score: 1

      My experience as well. Search for some Windows patch or service pack and Google will give me the download page on position one.
      Bing might be better at finding some hip and trendy article about the service pack but it is not the information I asked it to find.

      This is not a Google search bubble thing.

      Disclaimer: last tested over a year ago

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    48. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain how they can obtain information that I haven't provided.

    49. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sad but true. Im finding myself using bing more and more because google is not giving me what i am searching for

      You should have bought a Dell dude.

    50. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use quotes, + and - to search for exact terms in Bing. Google used to support this, but they dropped the + operator, like they do with all useful features.

    51. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Google gives less good results than it used to but with a strong adblocker like Adblock Edge or uBlock it's still okay. The important point is too check subsequent pages, and always check out and read any "EU censored" pages by using a proxy.

    52. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google won't think for you.

      Google won't think for you.

      Google won't think for you.

      Unfortunately, Google tries to think for you all the time

      OK. It is not unfortunate that Google "tries to think for you all the time". It is a good thing that Google "tries to think for you all the time". In fact, it's very very cool.

      and usually make a bad job of it.

      OK. Google does not "usually make a bad job of it" either. People do better at reading minds than a server farm. Google can not read your mind. If it has data you seek, it is up to THE USER to input a query.

      It is not the only research tool on the internet. It would actually suck if it was. Therefore doesn't what I already said ^ sound exactly 100.00% true again? If you need something very specific then you should traverse the many ways to isolate the potential location of the data you seek.

      You can't just enter a UPC for an OEM computer and expect Google give you results/solution for an error you had running Mint Linux in VMware back in 2013. You have to actually THINK. You still have to THINK. There is no possible way to refute this. You would have to THINK to dispute what I said, and you did not.

      Therefore I reassert the following: THINK. Learn how to search. Sometimes it is YOUR fault if you can't find the "reviews on that graphics card" and not Google's fault. Trust me I have no problem finding ANYTHING using Google. If it was scraped, I'll be damned if I can't pinpoint it, even if I have to go to archive.org.

      How so? Because I understand it. A lot of people do.

      Now as for Google's query tracking and storage... that's a separate issue from useability. There are many ways to avoid this on-demand so it's not an issue unless you're stupid.

      It is handy to have Google Maps at your fingertips. It works well. Facebook on the other hand is a sucker bet. Sheep put too much data. A public diary is a stupid thing if you're stupid. If you're not stupid, it's not really an issue.

      Oh, and /. has facebook/twitter buttons these days. Stupid. Easy to block with Firefox add-ons though. (Ghostery) No hard feelings. Track your mama though.

    53. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      I'm getting GNU Screen as the first search result, as well, despite using Chrome on Win8.1 (and generally using Windows 99% of the time). Pretty sure that is based on personal profile / search history.

    54. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main reason why this happens is because you've been using Google for a long time, and it knows what your interests are and what you expect to see based on your past searches (and visits of websites that use Google Ads, and other ways they mine data on you). Bing, on the other hand, is clueless until you actually use it for long enough.

    55. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you use your IP address to request their site so #4 is a lie.

    56. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      In my tests, DDG returned the best results, then Bing, then Google. Which, honestly makes sense. Bing's results are better for the same reason Mac's are/were so much safer. Being #2, you get to avoid most of the effort because it goes into fucking up #1.

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    57. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      UH. no. See: Xerox, kleenex, hoover, coke.

    58. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Just add site:stackoverflow.com to your query. Like "c++ garbage collection timeout site:stackoverflow.com". Done.

    59. Re:Google is becoming irrelevant by cavebison · · Score: 1

      > Hundreds of retail sites which list the card, just because the page mentions 'review', before I get to an actual honest-to-god review.

      Kind of like this site when I try searching for honest-to-god news.

    60. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ohhhhh, webcrawler. back in 1996 on my 110MHz pentium PC, while playing Warcraft II: Tides Of Darkness, I suddenly got a hankering to type one-handed, if you know what i mean. there were only a hundred thousand websites or so, so finding a suitable website was more difficult. webcrawler helped me accomplish that task, and thus delivering my first sexual experience. i have never betrayed her for Google or Bing, even through her various incarnations, so all of this talk is blasphemy.

    61. Re: Google is becoming irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you use your IP address to request their site so #4 is a lie.

      Nope.

      Really, are you that stupid?

  4. Uuuh no... by koan · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of references and it is easy to find.

    So not "unfindable".

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    1. Re:Uuuh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also have tons of type in traffic, I presume.

  5. Google showing malware results? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And who's surprised by that?

  6. Umm by jwymanm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did they try just kickass? First result is kat.cr - it even comes up in the url/search bar while I am typing.

    1. Re:Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      second result for me. Comes up on Bing, DuckDuckGo and Yahoo also.

    2. Re:Umm by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      I get kickass.proxyindex.net/ as first result. Typing in the url bar obviously will show sites that are in my history, so it's not the same.

    3. Re:Umm by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I got kickass.to/usearch/Man%20Of%20Steel/ as my first result. The second result was the fake site, but the first result didn't land at the KaT homepage.

    4. Re:Umm by jaklode · · Score: 1

      Are you using personalized search results and have visited it before?

    5. Re:Umm by jwymanm · · Score: 1

      No, I actually have not been to kat.cr before. I tested it with incognito and it comes up also. It's only when I add torrents that it seems to get overloaded with fakes.

  7. popular? disappears? by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    two lies.

    1. Re:popular? disappears? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KAT is quite popular since, before TPB's troubles, it was the best source for quality content. Your inability to understand what the word "lie" means in relation to a subjective adjective, leads me to believe you shouldn't be on this site.

  8. Filthy pirates! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For each copy of Windows you guys steal, Bill and Steve make less money. Which means another black baby in Africa gets malaria and one less Clipper gets a line of blow to do with his hooker tonight.

    Hope you're proud of yourselves, heartless pricks!

    1. Re:Filthy pirates! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Damn! I'm so sorry. I never thought of it like that.

    2. Re:Filthy pirates! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for every stolen copy of windows, a nigerian scammer makes $380 on the malware.

    3. Re:Filthy pirates! by Z80a · · Score: 2

      For each copy of Windows you "steal", you became a windows user regardless, and when you get hired by a big company, they have to actually buy windows (or get sued to give microsoft some cool millions) to you be able to work on it.

  9. Google needs our help (kickass.to kat.cr) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seems that google has some kind of (memory) corruption otherwise they (don't) censor things.

    1.) So basically you can find the url via wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2.) Kickasstorrents have a (?censor resistant?) twitteraccount:
    https://twitter.com/kickasstor...

    3.) you can reach KAT:
    kickass.to
    kat.cr

  10. I used duckduckgo for other reasons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    but this is as compelling as ANY of them, frankly.

  11. Meanwhile SF hosted sites like vim.org remain down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after... wtf?

  12. It moved to new domain by giveen1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://kat.cr/ That is their new location

    1. Re:It moved to new domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://kat.cr/

      That is their new location

      new? I have been using that for something like 4 or 5 months

    2. Re:It moved to new domain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The domain kat.cr is only 3 months old. It was registered 20 April 2015.

    3. Re:It moved to new domain by Cito · · Score: 1

      Their original URL works still also.

      http://kat.ph/

      It redirects to .cr but that was their original still works

  13. Which is the "real" site? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    No link to the real site? I'm not sure which is the original and which ones are just mirrors and malware.

    http://kat.cr/
    http://kickasstorrents.video/

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  14. Bing works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bing returns the actual site. Not as the top result, mind you, but it's there.

    I have been using Bing more and more lately. Google has just gone weird with their policies.

    1. Re:Bing works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That just shows that Bing is that irrelevant that the Music/Movie industries are too lazy to even force it to block those links.

    2. Re:Bing works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it show that the music/movie industry know not to fuck with Microsoft since they need their software. Professional music and movies are edited on Windows.

    3. Re:Bing works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The VFX studios I know about use Maya, on Linux. All render farms for movies are Linux. Where do you get your ideas from?

    4. Re:Bing works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol you're funny. "the music/movie industry know not to fuck with Microsoft", that's the funniest shit i've heard all month long.

      seriously, bing's marketshare is so tiny that RIAA/MPAA and friends don't even bother with them.

  15. My test results - KAT is not on google by zedaroca · · Score: 1
    My first page results for kickass torrents on google are:

    Kickass Torrents: KAT
    kickass.proxyindex.net/

    KickassTorrents Homepage – latest updates and reviews
    kickasstorrents.eu/
    THIS IS THE MALWARE SITE

    KickassTorrents (@kickasstorrents) | Twitter
    https://twitter.com/kickasstor...

    KickassTorrents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    KickassTorrents
    kickass.to/usearch/The%20Walking%20Dead/

    KAT - Kickass Torrents
    kickass-torrent.ytsre.eu/

    KickassTorrents Disappears From Google After Penalty
    TorrentFreak - 15 hours ago
    torrentfreak.com/tag/kickasstorrents/

    Profile of YIFY - Kickass Torrents
    rtwn.ca/ka/user/YIFY/

    KickassTorrents - Reddit
    https://www.reddit.com/r/kicka...

    Plus I'm getting a DMCA notice of 1 removal, but the link to the complaint doesn't indicate that it includes the real one.
    I hadn't googled in months. Good that this is another reason to tell people to duckduckgo things and stop using google (avoiding malware).

  16. KickassTorrents Link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here is the official kickass torrents link from duckduckgo.

    That is : https://www.kat.ca

    Interestingly, the results for PirateBay are reversed. Google gives a working site: thepiratebay.se ... which is linked to .gd... Duckduckgo gives https://thepiratebay.org (which doesn't work directly) along with a bunch of spam squatter crap. The non-https version of thepiratebay.org works, but it is a spam minefield out there.

  17. never mind search engine results by ihtoit · · Score: 2

    Virgin Media have taken it upon themselves to reduce the Internet to "programmed" content by blocking certain sites pursuant to a court order which I have yet to see. They don't even offer a LINK. What I'm getting for my fifty quid a month is basically scheduled content just like the TV. It's a six hundred quid a year fucking television licence fee!

    Yet, they're advertising the internet. Selectively filtered content is NOT the internet.

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    1. Re:never mind search engine results by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's a court order, they have little choice. But their blocking is also trivial to circumvent. Pirate bay is blocked, yes... but not if you go via https.

    2. Re:never mind search engine results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a court order, they have little choice. But their blocking is also trivial to circumvent. Pirate bay is blocked, yes... but not if you go via https.

      Hah...it's VM we're talking about here..

      # tcptraceroute thepiratebay.org
      {...snip...}
      Tracing the path to thepiratebay.org (80.92.65.144) on TCP port 80 (http), 30 hops max
      {...snip...}
        4 pres-core-2a-ae16-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.42.26) 24.065 ms 22.273 ms 23.711 ms
        5 wb7301a.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.115.5) 21.287 ms 20.961 ms 19.691 ms
        6 brhm-bb-1c-xe-0010-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.30.249.46) 30.186 ms 26.923 ms 33.756 ms

      # tcptraceroute thepiratebay.org https
      {...snip...}
      Tracing the path to thepiratebay.org (80.92.65.144) on TCP port 443 (https), 30 hops max
      {...snip...}
        4 pres-core-2a-ae16-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.254.42.26) 24.333 ms 24.482 ms 24.842 ms
        5 wb7301a.network.virginmedia.net (213.105.115.5) 21.798 ms 19.968 ms 19.605 ms
        6 brhm-bb-1c-xe-0010-0.network.virginmedia.net (62.30.249.46) 26.091 ms 28.742 ms 27.568 ms

      See hop 5?, google that sometime...

    3. Re:never mind search engine results by ihtoit · · Score: 1

      I'll save you the trouble, wb7301a is Virgin's paedo filter. Strange that Isohunt contains no child abuse content.

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  18. Quawk It with DuckDuckGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just switch to DuckDuckGo, like post NSA people did. You can even add !kickasstorrents to only search kickass in DDG.

    The sooner we all switch away from Google, a search engine that logs everything, (and also has adverts on pretty much every site, and analytics on every site,) the better.

    You realize that Google has all your kickasstorrent searches don't you? And if you are a lawmaker, then your kids kickasstorrent searches are also in the NSA database ready to be leverage against you? Get them into the habit of using DuckDuckGo till something better, more private comes along.

  19. Warning - kickasstorrents.eu is malware by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Other people in the thread have posted the eu site is malware - not sure about the us variant. the kat.cr is real.

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  20. In other news... by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    ... I just switched to DuckDuckGo.

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  21. Woot?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is thepiratebay.org offline? Since when?!

    1. Re:Woot?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been offline occasionally due to being raided (last time was around Christmas) and the site also breaks quite often.

  22. uBlock Origin reports something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading:

    http://kickass.to/

    Because of the following filter

    ||kickass.to^
    Found in: Malware filter list by Disconnect

    1. Re:uBlock Origin reports something by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

      uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading:

      http://kickass.to/

      Because of the following filter

      ||kickass.to^
      Found in: Malware filter list by Disconnect

      I'd take it's word for it, read the post below (the .to site has been down a few years now)
      Re:signs you may be ignorant twat when using brows
      by iggymanz

      But they still use the old IP address's out of Montréal, Canada; this game of hide and seek isn't working all that well.

      Kickass.to
      The IP address 68.71.58.34
      The IP address 78.138.99.144
      The IP address 205.204.64.122

      "Which hostnames and domains point to the same IP address as kickass.to? kat.cr"
      https://www.robtex.com/en/advi...

      Kat.cr
      The IP address 68.71.58.34
      The IP address 78.138.99.144
      The IP address 205.204.64.122
      https://www.robtex.com/en/advi...

    2. Re:uBlock Origin reports something by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      uBlock Origin has prevented the following page from loading:

      http://kickass.to/

      Because of the following filter

      ||kickass.to^
      Found in: Malware filter list by Disconnect

      Depends upon where uBlock gets it's information, while one shouldn't use this as a source or cite (it's poorly maintained) Kat.to has a bad scorecard with a grand total of 32-10=22, the -10 due to "45 pages found, triggering on average 1% antiviruses"

  23. Claim is untrue for Australia by Demonoid-Penguin · · Score: 1

    kickass torrents

    First three results

    • Kickass Torrents: KAT kickass.proxyindex.net/
      Search and discuss new and favorite TV shows & TV series, movies, music and games.
    • KickassTorrents
      kickass.to/usearch/The%20Walking%20Dead/ A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt â" learn more.
    • In the news
      Image for the news result
      KickassTorrents Disappears From Google After Penalty TorrentFreakâZ - 17 hours ago

    Story posted by Soulskill - probably the explanation

  24. signs you may be ignorant twat when using browser by iggymanz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    1. You use search engine rather than typing in known URL of a site, to get to a site

  25. Re:signs you may be ignorant twat when using brows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you RTFA, the domain name keeps changing, so it's difficult to remember when that happens.

  26. Re:signs you may be ignorant twat when using brows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you RTFA, it mentioned the fact that they are currently domain-hopping due to their domains being shutdown. It's hard to remember a domain that isn't the same as the one you visited last time.

  27. Re:signs you may be ignorant twat when using brows by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    if you follow the tech news site articles, the domain name has been announced in those, including the most recent change of April 24th

    Started 2008
    changed to kat.ph in April 2011
    kickass.to in June 2013
    kickass.so in December 2014

    then on April 23 2015 for one day kickass.tm then then next day
    April 24 to kat.cr

  28. tldr by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

    tl;dr: their domain went down and it took a little while for the new ones to float to the top of google.

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  29. The real winners by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real winners are the malware creators that get their sites listed at the top now.

    In order to take down the torrent trackers providing grey warez the real black ware market feeding the true criminals and terrorists are getting free space to install adware and whatnot instead.

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    1. Re:The real winners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This just reinforces the narrative of "torrents are viruses", this is exactly what the content parasites would want.

    2. Re:The real winners by anyGould · · Score: 1

      That is an interesting side effect. If Google is actually manually nuking the true site, you would think they'd take the extra five minutes to go a bit deeper, rather than serve up malware.

      In all honesty, I'd respect Google (and the folks who want Google to manage/censor results) if a search for that name came up with a box saying "Yeah, we know what you want, but we're not going to show it to you because [reasons]".

  30. Re:signs you may be ignorant twat when using brows by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    If you RTFA, it mentioned the fact that they are currently domain-hopping due to their domains being shutdown. It's hard to remember a domain that isn't the same as the one you visited last time.

    To agree to this, and show one can't be sure if it's a real or fake site there are at least 100 thepiratebay sites https://www.robtex.com/q/x1?q=... odd thing about the list is the real address (or last good address) is at the very bottom.

  31. I just tried that by aepervius · · Score: 1

    And from germany the first web site which comes up is NOT kat.cr, but some sort of weird proxyfinder site. The other one might be old site.

    Kickass Torrents: KAT kickass.proxyindex.net/ Search and discuss new and favorite TV shows & TV series, movies, music and games. The Walking Dead. - Kickass Torrents

    kickass.to/usearch/The%20Walking%20Dead/ A description for this result is not available because of this site's robots.txt â" learn more. KAT - Kickass Torrents kickass-torrent.ytsre.eu/

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  32. finding a searchengine with an other searchengine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just as stupid as finding bing throught google.... Google is known to punish search engine websites, why they have torrent search website this long is a miracle...

  33. Free account (but credit card number) required by dcollins117 · · Score: 0

    The thing I never understood about the Kickass torrents site is that to use it they want you to sign up for a "free account", but to get one you need to supply your credit card info. Yeah, I don't think so. I'll go elsewhere, thanks.

    1. Re:Free account (but credit card number) required by SirJorgelOfBorgel · · Score: 2

      That's not likely to be the real site.

    2. Re:Free account (but credit card number) required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have an account on Kickass and I was never asked for a credit card number, just a working email address. Anything asking for a card number as verification is almost certainly a scam.

    3. Re:Free account (but credit card number) required by Rob+Lister · · Score: 1

      That's a fake site, probably kat.to. It used to be correct but was hijacked about 6 or so months ago. kat.cr is the current one but it may not be for long; things change quickly in that world.

  34. PirateList by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been following KAT clones off of http://www.piratelist.net/ I'm not a security expert but there were a few popups from the cloned sites that avast had said it blocked something malicious. I haven't had any difficulties with my computer that I can observe to the extent of my knowledge, has anyone who has been using this have any problems?

  35. Did you log out? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Always suspicious of google search results if someone doesn't explicitly say that they were logged out.

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  36. Try with site:kat.cr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try doing a search in Google for something like this:

    star wars site:kat.cr

    And see what you get... I'm beginning to wonder if "site:" actually works the way we want it to now.

  37. DMCA by Meneth · · Score: 1

    KAT isn't as good as it used to be. They started censoring torrents in response to DMCA requests a few months back.

    1. Re:DMCA by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Is that why there is barely any yify release?

  38. Kickass is dying anyway by loufoque · · Score: 1

    I'm finding it increasingly hard to find decent releases on kickass and have started moving back to the pirate bay.

  39. Hopeful by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    Let's hope that the agency responsible for this has thousands of users searching for TV-series on the office computers and get directed by Google to the Number 1 malware site where they download said malware on the office computers.

  40. Penalty for whom? by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 1

    This is just as much a punishment to Google's own users, as it is to Kickass's. People who type in the search query are obviously looking to get to the site, not whatever malware-ridden crap Google is serving up now. Google is making their own service shittier, just to punish somebody else...way to cut your nose off to spite your face.

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  41. Pareto principle by bangular · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that at least 95% of my searches can be answered within like 5 or 10 popular sites. I've set all my defaults to duckduckgo and in the rare case I need to find answers that aren't on wikipedia or stackexchange (which duckduckgo finds well), I'll use Google. It's not so much Google is vastly superior, you just have to decide your privacy is valuable and be willing to make small tweaks such as exhausting a less complete search engine before moving to Google.

  42. Chobits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved Chobits, the manga is much better and to the point, it is a quick read.
    What has to do with anything? I don't know.

    Chobits explores interpersonal relations with androids. In the manga it is written that they were not called "robots" to avoid Asimov laws :3

    This will enlighten your darkness: http://www.mangareader.net/chobits

    Unlike the anime, everything makes sense at the end. It is worth reading.

  43. Using it for 2 years as the default by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

    It's getting better. Most of the time I don't need to Google, but if I'm having trouble, I add g! to the beginning of my search and Google adds a data point to my advertising profile, but I get a second opinion, usually not very helpful.

    DDG seems too good to be true really. I wonder if they're *really* not watching.

  44. It wants you to download an .exe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, I went to kat.cr to check it out, and the big download button wants to download an .exe, sure I should have just clicked 'torrent' (which I did later) - but that is probably where the malware is.

  45. CHROME blocks major torrent sites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "https://torrentfreak.com/chrome-blocks-major-torrent-sites-over-harmful-programs-150710/"
    This pretty much shows Google is moving to remove access to popular torrent sites through its services.

    Funny they support Net neutrality so ardently yet when they are obviously used as a gateway, they then choose to restrict content.
    Googles reasoning is "Harmful programs" one could argue that "Harmful programs" are also found on the google store.
    Furthermore any programs are specifically chosen by the user so the argument does not hold water.

  46. Technically you are "googling" at StartPage by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

    StartPage is only Google-sourced. Sure, anonymized so not personalized, tracked, or bubbled. But exclusively Google-sourced. Says so right on the box.

    So you are "googling" at StartPage. If that isn't what you want, if you want results not wholesaled from Google, use StartPage sister site IxQuick.com. They are a metasearch of many-excluding-Google.

    Or use DuckDuckGo, which gets the vast majority of general purpose search from Yandex, but may still have a bit of Bing. Many specialty searches also feed DDG but it's primarily Yandex. Again, without the tracking, filtering and bubbling of Yandex or other search wholesalers to them.

  47. uBlock Origin not uBlock by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

    I hope you mean the real "uBlock" which is uBlock Origin, the continuation by gorhill of his real uBlock code, not the sorta-sleazy plain "uBlock" that he handed over to a minor contributor - said contributor immediately launching a donation site, not updating nearly as frequently as "real uBlock" = uBlock Origin, and not including several of gorhill's latest features such as WebRTC "real-IP leak" blocking.

  48. Northern Light search engine was that. by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

    The late-1990s early-20-oughts search engine "Northern Light" was exactly that (old screenshot image link ironically found on via Bing). It did just what you describe: "search providers (even paid *gasp*) who specialize in certain areas such as history, science, technology, news, etc", bundled into a singly search interface. There was both general purpose search that was free, and it also pulled in and offered premium results from topic-specialty paid providers. You could choose to search the "World Wide Web", or "Special Collections" (the paid part). Or "All Sources" to pull in both. If you had a paid account, you could see more than the excerpt on the "Special Collections" results, and choose which sources to use.

    It was the dawn of the Dot-Com 1.0 bubble. Northern Light was our last best hope for that consolidated search. It failed.

    At one point, during the Altavista dying-but-not-dead period, while Google was still a total newcomer, it was getting a lot of traction. But it got flanked by Google pretty quickly and sunk. It's now entirely a paid, sold for internal client companies' use, very different product with no public search engine at all. Product called "SinglePoint" and loaded with buzzword bingo in its description.

    1. Re:Northern Light search engine was that. by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Holy crap! I had completely forgotten about them. There was also Copernica kicking around back then as well. I do miss Altavista and reminisce about them more than is probably healthy. I was a big fan of the boolean search engines and the ease of narrowing down the results with it as well as getting specific results. Those traits seem to be returning at some of the alternative search sites though - something I see as a positive.

      I checked and the similarly named astalavista.box.sk is still available. FOSI is off-line and has been for a while. Those were my two favorite sites for pirating back in the day though FOSI was never search related but did have Copernica available for download.

      It is strange how search has evolved over the years. I remember turning down a couple of employees that came with a request to purchase a Google Search appliance, an actual piece of hardware, as I could not justify the expense with the rewards - even though we had a lot of data. Instead we coded up a perl script of our own and set a CRON job to run it and made our own search engine. It turns out my decision was correct as there are many free things to do this now that all work reasonably well. The purchase would have been wasted and valueless in just a few years. I am not even sure if they still sell their appliance or not.

      Now? Google does not even respect quotes around a term. I have found they do reasonably well if I let them have some private information and keep track - they do well at that but I can not keep that up for long without feeling icky. I would rather wade through a few more results, from time-to-time, than to have my habits tracked. I know, I am the product...

      Thanks for reminding me about Northern Lights. It brought back a flood of memories.

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