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LibreOffice Ported To Run On Wayland
An anonymous reader writes: LibreOffice has lost its X11 dependency on Linux and can now run smoothly under Wayland. LibreOffice has been ported to Wayland by adding GTK3 tool-kit support to the office suite over the past few months. LibreOffice on Wayland is now in good enough shape that the tracker bug has been closed and it should work as well as X11 except for a few remaining bugs. LibreOffice 5.0 will be released next month with this support and other changes outlined by the 5.0 release notes.
Downsides: 1. you lose remote access (save for second-class stuff like VNC), 2. you need to port most software or use X emulation. Upsides: ... [crickets] ...
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
"While X is remote capable try running modern applications taking advantage of full modern X11 features, you'll find they dont work without workarounds like VNC or degrading their capabilities"
So what? I don't think anyone would expect perfect alpha blending on shading at 60fps over a network link. But something is better than nothing. Currently wayland is only offering the latter.
I'm sorry but you can't just come up with a new display driver and say arrogant BS like "oh, that network transparency stuff, no one uses it anymore, who cares" just because its either too difficult for them to implement or they're just not interested in doing it. Well some of us DO use it and we DO care.
correct they broke X by adding features which did not conform to the basic principle of X.
You are aware that the basic principles of X are that you have a monochrome screen or a 8-bit color screen with a lookup table, no acceleration, no sound, and the only allowed input device is a three button mouse?
If you are not doing all of those things then you are not conforming to the basic principles of X. 24 bit color? That doesn't conform to the basic principles of X. Sound? Ditto. Outline fonts? Totally in violation of the X principles. A screen saver that has actual security? Nope, that's not within the basic principles of X.
How did all that legacy code work for OpenSSL?
OpenSSL's problems had nothing to do with 'legacy code.' If legacy code were a problem, then OpenBSD would be in trouble, because there's plenty of really old code in there. OpenSSL had problems because they wrote shitty code.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Sure, remote desktop rocks. But they also are superior to X. For example, if your network connection burps, you don't lose your f'in work. Because the app runs locally and is displayed remotely and is completely independent on the network.
Sure remote X is great, I use it all the time. But I'm also aware that if I start a long-running process, I need to use screen to keep it alive, because now I'm depending on three things - the Linux machine hosting the app, the network, and my desktop PC showing me the app. That's a recipe for fragility in the whole thing.
Perhaps you don't use remote X for things that take hours to run, or don't mind losing all your work because you forgot to save and now the network connection reset. That's fine and great. But some people do, and really, X is pretty deficient compared to the rest of the remote desktop protocols out there. Even VNC.
Remote X is great, but it's time to modernize it and put features that every other remote desktop system has.
Did you miss the GTK+ 3.0 drama?
The GNOME idiots have been making it a point to break compatibility and remove "old" (aka "working", "currently used") features. You are delusional if you think they will continue supporting X once they declare the Wayland version to be "standard".
Of course, they'll probably use their typical victim-blaming approach where claim that keeping the old version around is "too much work" that should be done by someone else.
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Thanks, Fran. You've just made the entire open source community look like a bunch of useless assholes once again. Here we have a user asking a legitimate question, and instead of just answering the question you treat that user like dirt. And people wonder why The Year of Linux on the Desktop is always "next year". Normal people don't like being treated like crap, regardless of whether it's because the open source software they're being subjected to is broken, or whether it's because they're being treated terribly by open source advocates. Linux will never be anything but a niche OS, and by extension Wayland too will remain a niche product, all thanks to people like you and the way you show so much disrespect to everyday users.
We didn't spend the last 20 years building LINUX for your kind. Kindly fuck off and buy a Micro$haft "xbox" if you want to "game".
Linus Torvalds:
"I love the Steam announcements – I think that's an opportunity to really help the desktop," he said, speaking at LinuxCon in Edinburgh.