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Melinda Gates: Facebook Engineers Have Solved One of Education's Biggest Problem

theodp writes: Asked by the NY Times if Silicon Valley is saving the world or just making money, Melinda Gates replied, "I can say without a doubt — because I've seen it — that some of them [SV companies] are innovating in ways that make life better for billions of people." As an example, BillG's better half suggests that a handful of Facebook engineers have solved one of education's biggest problems with their 20% time project at billionaire-backed Summit Public Schools, a small charter school operator. Gates writes, "One of the biggest problems in American education is that teachers have to teach 30 students with different learning styles at the same time. Developers at Facebook, however, have built an online system that gives teachers the information and tools they need to design individualized lessons. The result is that teachers can spend their time doing what they're best at: inspiring kids." Some people — like the late Roger Ebert — might not be quite as impressed as Melinda to see Silicon Valley trying to reinvent the 1960's personalized-learning-wheel in 2015!

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  1. Problem? by shortscruffydave · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Facebook Engineers Have Solved One of Education's Biggest Problem

    Is that problem the bad use of English?

    1. Re:Problem? by nomadic · · Score: 2

      "Is that problem the bad use of English?"

      Trust me, if you want to solve the problem of bad English, don't go to an engineer.

    2. Re:Problem? by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Is that problem the bad use of English?"

      Trust me, if you want to solve the problem of bad English, don't go to an engineer.

      Bad use of English usually boils down to some pain in the ass traditionalist who has nothing better to do complaining that languages have a tendency to evolve. People here delight in complaining about how non US forum members speak horrible English and yet from a British perspective the quaint English dialect spoken in the USA is a big steaming pile of bad English and quite franky I put more stock in their opinion since they invented the language. Having said that also think that talking about preserving the 'purity' of the English language is pretty funny since English is a pretty good example of a linguistic mongrel.

    3. Re:Problem? by plopez · · Score: 2

      If you do not understand what is wrong with mixing singular with plural then there is no hope for you.

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    4. Re:Problem? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Dragons are cool until they light you on fire with their bad breath, and you die.

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  2. Open content by invictusvoyd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd rather spend money ( if I had a billion dollars) on wikivarsity or wikibooks projects . We need quality open content in wiki form which is accessible to all .

    1. Re:Open content by bangular · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's amazing we are still paying for algebra and physics books. These subjects haven't changed up to the undergrad level in many decades. Textbooks should be getting simpler and more streamlined, but they're actually getting way more complicated. The books are crazy thick with thousands of practice problems that contain errors and most don't look anything like real world problems. Let's slim down and create a small set of GOOD problems that are error free. Won't happen though. The book industry is too big.

  3. Technology to deliver personalized lessons by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like more work for the teachers, and my guess is that would be without extra pay. Even with the aid of technology, individual lessons means more time required on the teachers part. How about just reduce the number of students per teacher?

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    1. Re:Technology to deliver personalized lessons by ClaraBow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just looked at their job postings and it seems that a teacher will only have between 16-24 students in a given school year. So, this would be very manageable for a teacher. This is a great model, but it will only educate a few. This is not novel in anyway. There are plenty of small, learner-centered schools, but they are expensive. As some pointed out, this has been done since the 1960s. There is no away to economically educate the masses with this educational model.

    2. Re:Technology to deliver personalized lessons by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      How about streaming the pupils so that those of similar ability are grouped together for their classes. Ok it might not work at primary school level so much as these tend to be smaller often with only enough pupils for a single class per year. However even then you can arrange the class into groups of different abilities.

    3. Re:Technology to deliver personalized lessons by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about streaming the pupils so that those of similar ability are grouped together for their classes. Ok it might not work at primary school level so much as these tend to be smaller often with only enough pupils for a single class per year. However even then you can arrange the class into groups of different abilities.

      You can't do that in the "PC" America today, no sir...

      You'll get hit right off to bat with shouts of "discriminaiton".....then classism, elitism...and just about any other -ism you can think of.

      No, in the US today, we really are trying to not even give merit to those that do excel despite todays education system. I think I read the other day about a high school that had something like 50+ valedictorians...?? WTF? Afraid to hurt someones feelings that they didn't make the cut?

      No, today int he US, you can't have any programs that single out folks for success, or even remedial needs...it might hurt Suzy or Johnny's self esteem and we all know that would be the end of the world. No, we have to keep them all together, and teach to the lowest common denominator.

      Any separation of the kids by merit or ability...could potentially lead to an imbalance in the racial or socio-economic mix of kids, and once that happens, the SJW's and other types will scream bat shit bloody murder that this is just another example of the man keeping people down and stripping them of opportunity.

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    4. Re:Technology to deliver personalized lessons by jabuzz · · Score: 2

      Any study that shows that is complete and utter total crap. I know that to be a fact from the education I personally received in the U.K. It would have been simply impossible for me to have achieved the qualifications I did aged 16 if I had been taught in mixed ability classes.

      Explain to me how being grouped in maths class of clever students that where able to speed through the curriculum take the exam early and then speed through a Statistics O level ending up with two qualifications instead of one those in the "fast" maths class I did worse than if I had been in a mixed ability class and only done the standard mathematics O level? You can't it is utterly impossible for me to have done better being in a mixed ability class.

      Repeat for a fast science class where instead of three hours a week for each of biology, chemistry and physics the clever students had the option of doing each in two hours a week and fitting another option in.

      The result is that by streaming/tracking I was able to achieve 10 good O level results compared to the standard which was 8.

      People who think that not streaming children results in better results for ALL children are in fact complete MORONS. Anyone who has done a study that proves that clearly failed to take a statistics qualification at some point because my *SINGLE* example disproves the cherished educational theory.

      These are the sorts of MORONS that result in the William Tyndale scandal

      https://www.tes.co.uk/article....

      Yes I know all about this because my parents who where both teachers visited the school at my Aunt's request where she was a school manager.

      Back when I was doing my O levels (last year that did them before they became GCSE) this was a widespread practice at good schools in England and Wales (Scotland has a completely different school system).

      I can also clearly remember my school days *BEFORE* we hit the age where streaming was introduced. I remember being extremely frustrated at the slow pace of the lessons for years.

      Clever children do better if they are streamed, and holding clever children back so they can pull other people back is completely unacceptable.

  4. We know how this ends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > "If you have three Pepsis and drink one, how much more refreshed are you? You, the redhead in the Chicago school system?"
    > "Pepsi?"
    > "Partial credit!"

  5. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If only there was a way to get kids with similar learning styles into the same classes.... some sort of test they could give kids, the same test even to all the kids, standardized to identify their strengths and weaknesses, and pickup on their learning styles and then group them into smaller organizations, a class or something so that a teacher that excels at one style of teaching can educate kids that excel at that style of learning....

    To bad that's impossible, or it'd be a great idea.

  6. Not the first rodeo with this by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of the biggest problems in American education is that teachers have to teach 30 students with different learning styles at the same time.

    At some point that is pretty much an irreducible problem. You have finite (and too often shrinking) resources to spend on each pupil and teaching isn't something that generally scales very well, especially with young people and even more especially when you want to customize it per pupil. Furthermore it's not as if each of the 30 students "learning styles" have no overlap or that a non-optimized teaching method cannot still be effective. I think that it is great that people are working hard to try to improve education but I think the notion that we're going to somehow leverage some online system to make magical improvements is a bit naive. None of that is unique to the American education system - any teacher anywhere would have the same problems.

    Developers at Facebook, however, have built an online system that gives teachers the information and tools they need to design individualized lessons.

    Great they built an online system. They're hardly the first. Why should we believe this system will be any better than the innumerable past attempts? I read the article and it provides no real insight into what is different nor any data regarding how effective it is.

    The result is that teachers can spend their time doing what they're best at: inspiring kids.

    I am pretty involved in my local school (I have a part time staff position there) and work closely with many teachers throughout the school year. The notion that what most teachers do best is "inspiring kids" is nonsense, and as far as I can tell meaningless too. Some do "inspire" but it certainly isn't "what they're best at" for most of them. Furthermore you can inspire people all you want but that isn't the same thing as teaching them. Effective teaching requires more than getting students excited about a topic. And most teachers I've ever had weren't especially good at "inspiring kids". Many teachers have a pretty negative and cynical attitude unfortunately and more than a few don't exactly have a passion for teaching much less inspiring. Maybe this tool is great but my guess is that it really probably doesn't improve things much and likely only will work well in fairly specific circumstances.

    I deal with kids who have FAR bigger issues than worrying about tailoring a lesson plan. Getting food on the table, dealing with a disfunctional or abusive home life, parents who are simply not involved, etc. That's not to say tailored lesson plans aren't an important problem but it's no where near the top of the heap of serious problems facing our schools.

    1. Re:Not the first rodeo with this by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great they built an online system. They're hardly the first. Why should we believe this system will be any better than the innumerable past attempts?

      Because it has better propaganda attached, of course. This time it's from the Gates foundation, which is pretending to save the world! They'll never eradicate anything as long as there's whole countries they can't get into because they're actually doing the work of Big Pharma... the best the Gates Foundation can do is just suppress a disease for a time. But they can also weasel their way into education so they can really shit it up and become an unremovable part of graft and pork.

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    2. Re:Not the first rodeo with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reflecting back over my years of schooling, I find that some of the teachers I learned the most from were cynical, demanding, cantankerous bastards. They were the hardest to please, the hardest to pass, and the ones the average people didn't like. The average person in school is all about the easiest teachers so they can maximize their GPA doing the minimum work.

      One thing did happen with those teachers, I learned. I had to, because otherwise I was going to fail. We build robust systems by making them fail fast, as it identifies the problems quickly which then (hopefully) get fixed quickly. Hard teachers do that too, they force your weaknesses to the surface, and if you have learned the life skill of accepting criticism where it is due, you work on your weaknesses and later find a place where you can thank them for pointing them out. Sure, you might not like them for pointing them out, but one doesn't have to like a person they are grateful toward.

      Sometimes a teacher can be your friend, but often they have messages we don't like to hear. We don't like to be told we don't know something, even when we are in a class to learn it! I'll take a teacher that doesn't gild the lily (without delving into abuse) over a person that makes me feel good any day.

  7. Paper by fluffernutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not really understanding. What does this Facebook solotion do that couldn't be done on a piece of paper? The problem is the work involved in developing each lesson, not in the tracking of each lesson once it is developed. Does this Facebook plan eliminate the work involved in coming up with separate plans?

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    1. Re:Paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      What Facebook does better than a piece of paper is the requirement of a computer. What would make Facebooks solution even better was that it required Microsoft Windows 10 and a Microsoft Office Online subscription for the pupils and a Microsoft Server Educational Edition with a CAL per student per teacher per desktop per tablet per smart phone with a cost of 150 dollar per CAL. Than Melinda Gates could step up and show her good heart and donate 1000 dollar per student so students and tax payers only have to pay 500 dollar per student to Microsoft on licenses instead of 1500 dollar.

      Facebook can be used for marketing purposes, to convince old school schools to surrender and join the billionaires view on education (it includes the purchase of a tablet and the requirement of joining the social network).

    2. Re:Paper by bangular · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The biggest problems in the school system can't be solved with technology. Technology won't make parents care about their kids. Technology won't stop politicians from playing games with school system tax money. Technology won't stop the textbook publishers from price gouging schools. Schools aren't screwed up because of lack of good algorithms. Remove all technology from schools and revert to pen and paper. The good schools will still be good and the bad schools will still be bad.

  8. pay taxes so teachers can have smaller classes by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe, if instead of skipping out on billions of dollars in taxes, Microsoft paid them, we could put enought teachers in the schools to cut the class sizes to more like the 18-20 they should be handling.

  9. Pouring money into a myth by CPIMatt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This would be great, but it is likely not true. According to more recent research kid's learning styles is not true. This theory has been reported as fact, but is not backed up by science. In fact it is better to get a kid out of their comfort zone for them to learn more.

    https://thinkneuroscience.word...

    -Matt

  10. Re:Technology to 'Get Hit With' by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    The supposition that personalized structures will motivate kids who are only in school because they are forced to be there ignores the lack of motivation in today's society of a very large proportion of students.

    I know one 15 year old white kit who has never been seen carrying a book home. His single mom tells him he is going to be a famous baseball player, so "Why study?"

  11. Re:The national average is 15.9 students per teach by GonzoPhysicist · · Score: 2

    Your number seemed very low from my experiences, so I took a look at your link and found this:
    "According to recent studies, the difference between student-teacher ratio and average class size in K-3 is 9 or 10 students "
    So in reality it's closer to 30 kids per classroom.

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