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Britain Shuts Off 750,000 Streetlights With No Impact On Crime Or Crashes

Flash Modin writes: English cities are hard up for cash as the national government dolls out cuts. And in response, the country's councils — local governing bodies — have slashed costs by turning off an estimated 750,000 streetlights. Fans of the night sky and reduced energy usage are happy, but the move has also sparked a national debate. The Automobile Association claims six people have died as a direct result of dimming the lights. But a new study released Wednesday looked at 14 years of data from 63 local authorities across England and Wales and found that residents' chances of being attacked, robbed, or struck by a car were no worse on the darker streets.

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  1. Editors : WTF by amalcolm · · Score: 5, Informative

    "dolls out cuts" Verb dole (third-person singular simple present doles, present participle doling, simple past and past participle doled) To distribute in small amounts; to share out small portions of a meager resource. back to school for you

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  2. Crooks are afraid of the dark, too by boristdog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And cars tend to have headlights.

    I remember a study from the 90's that showed eliminating lights around schools at night actually reduced the number of break-ins at those schools. The reasoning was that a) most people are afraid of the dark and b) a ne'er-do-well would need a flashlight, which would be easy to spot in the darkness.

    1. Re:Crooks are afraid of the dark, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And cars tend to have headlights.

      I remember a study from the 90's that showed eliminating lights around schools at night actually reduced the number of break-ins at those schools. The reasoning was that a) most people are afraid of the dark and b) a ne'er-do-well would need a flashlight, which would be easy to spot in the darkness.

      It's also found that motion sensing lights are more effective than ones that stay on all night long for similar reasons. The light suddenly coming on can scare away prowlers who who previous hidden in the dark plus it attracts attention when lights are suddenly switching on and off around a building that is known to be unoccupied.

    2. Re:Crooks are afraid of the dark, too by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unless properly placed, lights create darker shadows (relative to the light) that are easier to hide in. Most street lamps are placed without consideration to existing structures, and new structures don't cause existing street lamps to be altered.

    3. Re:Crooks are afraid of the dark, too by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I used to walk home through a park. Except on cloudless nights with no moon, you got enough reflected light to be able to see quite clearly across it. Then there some some hysteria about the potential for being attacked (triggered by a flasher, who only exposed himself to people in broad daylight) and they added a row of streetlights along the side of the path. If you stood about 10m from the path, you were completely invisible to someone walking along it, but they were clearly visible to you for their entire trip across the park (as were any potential witnesses on the path). If someone actually wanted to attack people crossing the park, the lights made it a lot easier. It would only take a few seconds to hit someone and drag them out of the visible area.

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  3. We're much more progressive in the states by nimbius · · Score: 5, Funny

    As an american, Its good to see the brits following in our footsteps. We started shutting off street lights here in places like Stockton California and Detroit Michigan quite some time ago. The impact on reported crime is minimal, as we've also been shutting off funding to most of the police departments. Crash statistics, surprisingly, remain unchanged as well. most cars in these locations dont run, and even if they did there arent any jobs to drive to.

    Our next bold experiments are shutting off water in California and shutting off education in Wisconsin.

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  4. Re:Doesn't help criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You still use torches? Get with the times, use a flashlight, you savage :)

  5. Most streetlights are wasteful by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I see street lights as a waste of money.

    Not just a waste of money. Most of them are a waste of fuel, serve no meaningful social purpose, create needless light pollution as well as emissions and waste resources in their creation and installation. We could eliminate vast numbers of street lights in all likelihood with no adverse effect at all while saving a lot of money and reducing pollution. I'm always astonished when I fly over a city at night how many empty parking lots, unoccupied buildings, unused streets and other things we pointlessly and wastefully light up.

    1. Re:Most streetlights are wasteful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not just a waste of money. Most of them are a waste of fuel, serve no meaningful social purpose, create needless light pollution as well as emissions and waste resources in their creation and installation. We could eliminate vast numbers of street lights in all likelihood with no adverse effect at all while saving a lot of money and reducing pollution. I'm always astonished when I fly over a city at night how many empty parking lots, unoccupied buildings, unused streets and other things we pointlessly and wastefully light up.

      Are you the Mothman?

  6. Re:Cars don't have headlights in England? by MightyDrunken · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah the six people probably died from Vitamin D deficiency, in England we don't get enough sun light and street lamps were installed to combat rickets. Looks like night time will be as gloomy as the day in England now, sigh.

  7. Streetlights useful to remark road in bad weather by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a fan of getting rid of streetlights but...

    There is one way in which I can see they make things definitely less safe, and that is clearly indicating where the edges of the roads are in really bad weather - in a driving snow or rainstorm, there have been times I've been really happy to have the lights on other sides confirming where the road was, because it was not possible to see that clearly through the windshield.

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  8. Re:Doesn't help criminals by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought the old school smiley at the end of the sentence was a dead give away. But young kids nowadays have Unicode smiley's to work with.

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  9. Math problem by William+Baric · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Light use electricity. Producing electricity creates pollution. Pollution is responsible for a lot of death. Six people died because of turning off some lights. How many did not die because of reduced pollution?

  10. Dubious assumptions are dubious by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is indeed good news for amateur astronomers. Unfortunately, they are among the only people who will actually benefit or want to go out at night under these conditions.

    My wife and sister, in contrast, are now uncomfortable about things like getting a late train home and then walking back from the station in pitch black conditions, to the point where if they can't make arrangements for more secure travel either end of a journey then they will sometimes not go out at all. And yes, before anyone asks, there have actually been relevant crimes recorded in the relevant areas, so their concerns do have have some justification. There is a reason that police and public safety advisors have long recommended walking home along well-lit streets instead of dark paths late at night.

    While we're at it, several sources have already highlighted other data, up to and including coroners' reports directly attributing actual deaths in road traffic collisions to reduced lighting, that conflict with the claims here of no harm being done. Those claims are also in conflict with more general evidence about how to design homes and wider areas to minimise the ability for criminals to approach targets undetected and the reduced crime rates that result.

    In short, this seems to be based on one selective result, published in a relatively obscure journal and from a relatively unknown source that has some unspecified link to UCL for credibility, that directly contradicts established policing policy, public safety policy, road safety policy, architectural principles, common sense, and hard evidence. But yay for astronomers though, I guess.

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    1. Re:Dubious assumptions are dubious by Cederic · · Score: 3, Informative

      bike lights are basically worthless for seeing the road ahead and only useful for other people to see the cyclist

      Only if you go with the trendy flashing LED "look, I'm here and I'm trendy and important" bullshit lights favoured these days.

      I was cycling down dark country roads with more than adequate visibility using proper bike lights over 20 years ago, don't pretend you can't get a decent light these days.

  11. The Other White by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    white lines would fix that

    In snow?

    It irritates me when it's hard to tell between the grey pavement and the grey road

    With enough rain, there is no grey, no brown. Just water.

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