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Cameron Tells Pornography Websites To Block Access By Children Or Face Closure

An anonymous reader writes: Prime Minister David Cameron says that if online pornographers don't voluntarily install effective age-restricted controls on their websites he'll introduce legislation that will close them down altogether. A recent Childline poll found nearly 10% of 12-13-year-olds were worried they were addicted to pornography and 18% had seen shocking or upsetting images. The minister for internet safety and security, Joanna Shields, said: “As a result of our work with industry, more than 90% of UK consumers are offered the choice to easily configure their internet service through family-friendly filters – something we take great pride in having achieved. It’s a gold standard that surpasses those of other countries. “Whilst great progress has been made, we remain acutely aware of the risks and dangers that young people face online. This is why we are committed to taking action to protect children from harmful content. Companies delivering adult content in the UK must take steps to make sure these sites are behind age verification controls.”

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  1. How? by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, precisely how again do they suggest sites verify ages? It needs to at least be proof against a minor with an adult's "borrowed" credit card, and it can't require sites to violate the law. This isn't a technical problem here, it's completely independent of the technology. If these politicians want the problem solved, they need to spend some time thinking about how to solve the problem. And yes, "make someone else solve it" is a valid option but only if having the sites apply that solution by making the politicians the "someone else" is also a valid option.

    1. Re:How? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you're looking for porn, do you pick:

      Site A: In the UK which wants you credit card info.
      Site B: In Uruguay which is happy to show you lots of free porn, no questions asked.

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    2. Re:How? by p0p0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If that's the case then the standard "Are you 18 or over?" should be enough to stop people from accidentally browsing their site. Why need anything more than that? Why not educate kids and tell them that this warning means there is adult content within?

      Anything more than that means he wants to just outright prevent access (as they've already tried) and there's more to it than the typical "think of the children" bologna.

    3. Re:How? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think they're trying to stop a 12 y/o who is determined to see porn. Rather, they're trying to stop someone from clicking on a link that brings them to adult content without a warning. It seems reasonable to me,

      Wrong. They're trying to get some more votes from one of their demographics.

      Nothing he can legislate will reduce the amount of porn children have access to.

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    4. Re:How? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      13-year-olds are quite capable of making their own porn these days.

      Using the cameras and networking hardware given to them by their own parents.

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    5. Re:How? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Option C: Get a subscription with a newsgroup service for a fraction of the money a porn site will cost you, download as much as you like over a securely encrypted connection, have plausible deniability as to what the content was.

      Option D: Get one of those P2P thingamajiganibobs

      There are so many ways to get porn on the internet other than the vanilla website-and-a-subscription method.

      And porn has the ultimate "Long Tail". There already exists enough digital porn for virtually anyone with a normal-ish kink spectrum to whack off to something new twice a day for the rest of their life. Even if you destroy the porn industry (which this won't, because not every jurisdiction is stupid), people will still trade and use porn, with impunity.

    6. Re:How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Im moding so posting this anon

      Visa, Master card, and American Express Gift cards. They can also get the prepaid re-loadable CC's sold at all the 7-11's.

      All the porn sites accept them because people use them to protect their identity and to protect there bank accounts.

      I know a lot of parents that get them for the kids and load them with there allowance. That way the kids can save up and order the cool stuff online.

    7. Re:How? by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Use CC verification.

      Do you really think giving your credit card information to a pornography website operator (who in all likelihood is on the other side of the planet) is a good idea? I can't off the top of my head think of anyone less trustworthy. Maybe a crack whore or that Nigerian prince that keeps emailing me, but that's about it.

      It's up to parents to monitor what their kiddies are doing online, not Prime Minister David Cameron.

    8. Re:How? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not gonna remember a number like that!

      If I need to bypass a child filter for a porn site in some hellish future UK dystopia, I'll just go ask a kid.

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    9. Re:How? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not gonna remember a number like that!

      Just remember that credic card numbers have a checksum. Once you know that, you can look up or download the algorithm and generate valud numbers all day.

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    10. Re:How? by mister_playboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The number of users smart enough to use torrents but not adblockers seems like it would be small.

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    11. Re:How? by Shortguy881 · · Score: 3, Funny

      He is the Prime Minister of the U.K., so the entire world.

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  2. Parenting by toxygeneb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about instead of trying to introduce draconian inappropriate laws that will no doubt be misused to censor other sites the government properly fund the enforcement of existing laws? We already have very effective parental neglect laws and if a child as young as the Childline survey suggests is accessing pornography surely the parents are neglectful?

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  3. Percentages? by miketheanimal · · Score: 5, Informative

    A recent Childline poll found nearly 10% of 12-13-year-olds were worried they were addicted to pornography and 18% had seen shocking or upsetting image

    Years ago (mid 80s or something) there was a "video nasty" frenzy in the UK based on figures that purported to show what percentage of kids and watched "video nasties". The data was gathered by asking kids which of a list of films they had seen. Turned out to be totally bogus, a later study got the same results when the list had a mix of real and invented titles. Not suprising really. Are these figures any better?

  4. Happy, happy, joy, joy... by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just the beginning of another five years of the Tories and their rural mafia shoving their crappy conservative values down the throats of the 63.9 percent of the UK population that did not vote for them and now that the Scottish national party has split the Labour vote it looks like this is how things will stay this way for the foreseeable future. It is an utter travesty that a political party can achieve a parliamentary majority with 36.1 percent of the population behind it and that a party that gained 12.9% of the popular vote (UKIP) gets one parliamentarian. I'm no fan of UKIP by any means but they should have gotten more seats.

  5. Just try it by Gaygirlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Shutting down all online porn-sites in the UK? Yeah, go ahead, see how long the public is willing to play along; I predict quite an uproar. Besides, it wouldn't stop porn-sites from outside the UK anyways, so it would both upset a lot of people and yet be wholly ineffective.

  6. Protect the children - but not from this or that. by KenDiPietro · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Kids are getting access to disturbing images, you say? You want to ensure that children are prevented from seeing these kinds of images by passing a law if necessary? But will the children still be able to see people being blown up or otherwise being ripped to shreds during prime time TV? Because otherwise, I'd hate to think we'd be putting people out of work in our "legitimate" entertainment industry.

    As an aside, anyone else enjoying the irony in the British government which for decades had gone to great lengths to protect the identity of people they knew were repeatedly sexually assaulting children now claiming that this measure it to protect children? Exactly when will those prosecutions be beginning, Mr Cameron?

  7. No, no, no by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    they're trying to prevent what they're always trying to prevent:
    being blamed or losing their jobs when some nutcase parent gets upset.

    The purpose of policies is to be seen pretending to do something about fictional problems that have no solutions for the simple reason that some very loud people believe there's a problem.

  8. Gee, 12-13 year olds worried about sex somehow? by swb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't sound like a porn plague, it sounds like puberty.

    12-13 year olds going through puberty, their hormones turned up to 11, obsessed with sex in some manner or other? Unsure of feelings they have about sex, worried they think about it too much (or not enough), all the anxieties of youth and social/sexual roles?

    This is somehow new and driven by online porn?

    When I was that age we were obsessed with porn, too. Everybody knew whose dad had a skin mag, some had their own secret stash. My friend and I on our way to junior high in 1978 found 3 porno mags in the street. Two were issues of Hustler and one was called "Double Cunt Fucker", a hardcore mag that had penetration, a 3-way and jiz shots. Probably average for what's online.

    The problem with porn is that it's only appealing because society can't get a grip on sexuality.

  9. Understanding? by Fnord666 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't think Cameron understands how this whole "internet" thing works.

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  10. Skewed by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A recent Childline poll found nearly 10% of 12-13-year-olds were worried they were addicted to pornography

    Because you told them that because they looked at one image in a magazine that they were addicted. You set them up to answer that way, likely by saying 'Are you addicted to porn' while shaking your head yes at them suggestively.

    A 12-13 year old has no fucking clue what addiction is, even if they were. I'm fairly certain based on its usage here that no one involved in the study or conversation about the study knows what addiction actually is to.

    Infatuation is not addiction morons.

    18% had seen shocking or upsetting images.

    Actually its 100%, but the other 82% were smart enough not to mention the shit they've seen mommy and daddy do. The real world sucks, if they can't cope with 'upsetting images' then porn is the least of your concern and hiding the kid in a card board box for the rest of his/her life so they don't have to survive on their own might be your best bet.

    As a result of our work with industry, more than 90% of UK consumers are offered the choice to easily configure their internet service through family-friendly filters

    And 0% Use it because the parents aren't the ones that are freaked out about their kids looking at porn.

    How sad is your world view when you think see two people do something entirely natural and REQUIRED FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OUR SPECIES and it offends you. And then to top it off, you have to freak out and project your personal issues with seeing boobies on to 12-13 year olds and convince them they are 'addicted' to something. 12-14 year olds are addicted to EVERYTHING THATS TABOO. If you told them it was dirty and sexual to brush their teeth 4 times a day, England would suddenly have the worlds healthiest teeth in the 12-13 year old group.

    This kind of ignorance is spewed from some jack ass who doesn't have a kid (or isn't actually a parent to the kid) and doesn't realize that it will actually make MORE kids look at MORE porn.

    How the fuck do people get old and totally forget what being a kid was like. It blows me away.

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