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Behind the Microsoft Write-Off of Nokia

UnknowingFool writes: Previously Microsoft announced they had written off the Nokia purchase for $7.6B in the last quarter. In doing so, Microsoft would create only the third unprofitable quarter in the company's history. Released on July 31, new financial documents detail some of the reasoning and financials behind this decision. At the core of the problem was that the Phone Hardware business was only worth $116M, after adjusting for costs and market factors. One of those factors was poor sales of Nokia handhelds in 2015. Financially it made more sense to write it all off.

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  1. Microsoft by bobstreo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where phone companies go to die.

    1. Re:Microsoft by danbob999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nokia was dying even before being bought by Microsoft. What killed them is Symbian, and their refusal to switch to Android when it was the time (2008/2009). When they decided to switch to Windows Phone, it was already too late.

    2. Re:Microsoft by invictusvoyd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What killed them is Symbian, and their refusal to switch to Android when it was the time

      It actually was their refusal to open up Symbian at the right time and create a dev community around it . Had that been done, Nokia would have had the opportunity to leverage its dominant market share in the smart phone segment .

    3. Re:Microsoft by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nokia was dying even before being bought by Microsoft. What killed them is Symbian, and their refusal to switch to Android when it was the time (2008/2009). When they decided to switch to Windows Phone, it was already too late.

      Jolla seems to be doing fine with MeeGo/Sailfish and it runs Android apps... believe it or not there is life beyond Android.

    4. Re:Microsoft by DrXym · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually what killed them was the CEO they hired to fix the company. Elop laid off most of the staff, bet the farm on using a phone OS that nobody wanted, ran the company into the ground and lost so much money that it had to sell the family silver to Microsoft.

    5. Re:Microsoft by Ecuador · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It was more about screwing Symbian developers (incompatible OS versions/ multiple APIs, then sudden abandonment of the platform after there was assurance to devs etc) and also the abandoning the one phone OS that was better than Android & iOS (I am talking about the Maemo/Meego as seen on the N9 of course) in favor of being a "me too" Windows Phone manufacturer, that killed-off Nokia in the end.

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    6. Re:Microsoft by DrXym · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Well they did have a sizable dev community and told it to fuck off when they dropped Symbian for Windows Phone.

      A more sensible company would have moved to Android but kept the devs sweet by providing their handsets with a Symbian / QT framework so that there was a migration path.

    7. Re:Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      And there are those who believe Elop was paid by Microsoft to do exactly that.

    8. Re:Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually what killed them was the CEO they hired to fix the company. Elop laid off most of the staff, bet the farm on using a phone OS that nobody wanted, ran the company into the ground and lost so much money that it had to sell the family silver to Microsoft.

      Elop was obviously a Microsoft operative all along.

    9. Re:Microsoft by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Yes, it's called Android compatibility. The only successful handsets with any significant market share that don't run Android are iOS devices. In fact, what that tells me is that if you aren't Apple, you pretty much need to be Android. Even BlackBerry, though two or three years too late, has figured that out.

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    10. Re:Microsoft by DrXym · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's hard to say if he was working to undermine Nokia from the inside, or if he was merely incompetent, or if he was simply out to enrich himself. Or a combination of all three.

      Whatever it was, his tenure was an unmitigated disaster. Not just for Nokia as it turns out but for Microsoft too.

    11. Re:Microsoft by red_dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, Nokia was in trouble well before the WinPho fiasco, but Symbian was just a sympton rather than the disease. Management had allowed the company to branch off into different product lines and encouraged competition between them with apparently little fiscal oversight and paying no attention to the third-party developer community. So, they had S40 engineers working on almost-smartphone handsets to challenge low-end S60/Symbian handsets, S60 engineers trying to widen their product range, and Maemo/MeeGo engineers trying and failing to prove that their otherwise unwanted bastard child was a much better platform. While the managers had their heads firmly esconced in their rectums, Elop took advantage of their indecision and gave them a false sense of hope. Or, maybe not. There's a theory out there that Nokia management knew that they had a shit sandwich on their hands before Elop came along, and sought a way to wipe the slate clean without taking the blame directly if things went wrong. Microsoft and Elop appeared at the right time with an offer that they would happily not refuse: take a large amount of money in exchange for them taking out the trash for you, money that you'll be able to use to restart your phone business from the ground up in a relatively short time frame.

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    12. Re:Microsoft by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      Windows Phone was too little to late. Most analysts expected strong sales of WP devices by 2015 and it didn't happen. It's not that Windows Phone was bad, only that it didn't bring any advantage for the consumer over what already existed (Android/iOS).
      Microsoft did everything to attract developers, with good development tools. They didn't come because the users were not there.

    13. Re:Microsoft by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nokia was still the dominate cell manufacturer at the time. Microsoft killed off Nokia once Nokia was bought. They didn't ship a new phone for a freakin' year and killed off Symbian and their other product lines. Nokia would have survived it wasn't for Microsoft. Mission accomplished.

    14. Re:Microsoft by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any significant level of incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.

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    15. Re:Microsoft by CockMonster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They bought QT so devs wouldn't have to deal with the pecularities of Symbian.

    16. Re:Microsoft by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      And you know what, nobody cares. I don't mean to sound rude, but whatever BB's benefits as an Android device, even BB doesn't believe them anymore as it plans to release actual Android devices. And really, it's irrelevant, as the company is basically running on fumes now. Chen's keeping it afloat by selling off assets and firing people. No wonder they have to build an Android phone, their R&D department probably isn't capable of keeping the QNX-based OS going.

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    17. Re:Microsoft by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Informative

      As someone who was stuck using a windows phone for two years. I disagree with your assessment of "It's not that Windows Phone was bad" It was crap!

      The company I worked for decided to buy and use them because

      A) It's windows so it should be easy
      B) They got a great price on them.

      First question from the user is "How do I set my background image?" Which you could not do.

    18. Re:Microsoft by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Symbian EKA2 was a great kernel design for mobile (and still does security and power management better than Linux), but a lot of the Symbian userspace APIs were designed at a time where 1MB of RAM was a lot, 4MB was huge. When 64MB was entry level, they were really showing their age: saving 1MB at the cost of a big increase in developer effort wasn't worth it. Nokia needed to provide a modern API and a clean migration path. They provided neither and they set up groups within the company competing to provide both and actively sabotaging each other. Maemo/Meego is an example of this: Switching from GTK to Qt shortly after launching the product doesn't instil developer confidence.

      Windows Phone actually made sense for Nokia: they needed a software stack that let them differentiate themselves (and no one else seemed to be using WP) and they had managed to set up their corporate structure in such a way that it was impossible for them to develop it themselves. Some of their apps were really nice (their maps app, which was just bought by a consortium of German car makers was a lot better than the Apple or Google offerings, for example).

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    19. Re:Microsoft by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows Phone actually made sense for Nokia: they needed a software stack that let them differentiate themselves (and no one else seemed to be using WP)

      There's no point in 'differentiating yourself' by trying to sell something no-one wants to buy. You won't make your new burger store a great success by using turds in your burgers instead of beef, but you'd certainly differentiate yourself by doing so.

    20. Re:Microsoft by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to Wikipedia, Elop was in a "major leadership position" as the head of the Business Division at Microsoft prior to becoming Nokia's CEO, after the acquisition he returned to Microsoft as a VP.

      I can't for the life of me imagine why someone could imagine him as a sucking tendril, deployed from the creeping horror that is Microsoft to latch onto some poor victim, injecting acid into it and dissolving it from within and sucking the guts out of the rapidly dessicating corpse before being withdrawn back into the writhing mass of flesh it calls home. No sirree, can't even fathom it.

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    21. Re:Microsoft by morphotomy · · Score: 2

      Half Life 3 confirmed.

    22. Re:Microsoft by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Windows Phone is pretty nice. It's main drawback is the lack of apps (which is hard to fix, as no one wants to develop for a platform with few users and no one wants to buy a phone with no software). It's main problem selling is that people associate it with Windows on the desktop, which is a usability disaster that somehow manages to get worse each version, in spite of having passed the point where people thought it couldn't get any worse some time ago.

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    23. Re:Microsoft by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      The only real difference, is intentions. The results are the same.

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    24. Re:Microsoft by Schiller555 · · Score: 2

      German sw engineer here. We had a whatsapp-like app in 2006 running on J2ME. Nokia did not want it, "because it might offend our main customer's (the telcos) SMS business". They essentially traded a few fat years for their future by not even being willing to discuss an innovative idea. Imagine if the world would use NokiaChat instead of WhatsApp. And sure as hell some smart folks here would have been able to build them a Facebook competitor. But alas, I assume all those smart folks are now at Google and the city of London, doing finance work...

    25. Re:Microsoft by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      They went to Windows Phone after Elop took over, which means they were essentially under the control of Microsoft at that point. This was not the decision of any real Nokia workers or original management. Moving to Windows Phone was the first major torpedo out of Redmond to destroy Nokia.

    26. Re:Microsoft by Uecker · · Score: 2

      When the Windows Phone decision was done, the smart phone unit was worth much more than what they later got from Microsoft. So no, this explanation does not make any sense.

      Nokia clearly had some problems, but it was nowhere that bad. First, Symbian was not as bad as people claim. Second, when Elop announced the switch and accidentally killed Symbian at the same time (by declaring it obsolete), the smartphone unit was still highly profitable and selling more phones than everybody else and even growing faster in absolute numbers than everybody else - with Symbian phones (people seem to believe that it was already collapsing - this is not true). Finally, there was a perfectly fine strategy to transition developers from Symbian to Meego using Qt as a common platform. And Meego was ready at that time as the excellent N9 showed which was released only a few months later. This was a strategy which made perfect sense at that time. Keep in mind Nokia was the clear market leader at that time - Android was nowhere as big as it is now.

      In contrast, switching to a Windows which was already failing on the market (Microsoft had 15% market share with Windows Mobile but at that time maybe 3%), a system which was controlled by Microsoft and allowed almost no differentiating by Nokia itself. It also alienated all existing developers, the sales channels, the carriers, and their own employees. The decision was pure madness. Of course, this was entirely to be expected from Elop:
      http://mobile.slashdot.org/com...

    27. Re:Microsoft by Alok · · Score: 2

      Elop announced a shuttering of all existing platforms used (Meego, Maemo, Symbian) and talked about switching to an unused & untried platform instead (Windows Phone) - I'm surprised that people can actually think he's incompetent; to me just reading about that speech was very convincing evidence that he was a brilliant Microsoft operative.

      There was iirc some talk in the articles at the time, of how Nokia & Microsoft had some common shareholders who wanted to use Nokia to prop up the MS share prices after Windows Phone had a bad initial reception. I can completely believe this theory, maybe they didn't plan to pump & dump but genuinely thought that riding on trusted Nokia's reputation would rescue WinPhone from irrelevance. Whatever the reason, they picked Elop as CEO and either lost their shirts over the next couple of years, or more likely just cashed out before the trainwreck became too obvious to investors.

    28. Re:Microsoft by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

      The guy who started the decline, Nokia CEO Elop, was a transplant from Microsoft. Microsoft knifed Nokia. Simple as that.

  2. other market factors to adjust for by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Microsofts prior, and arguably present business model of violently entering a market thats been dominated for 3-4 years with an identical product is something of a relic from Steve Ballmer. Its only ever been effective during the browser wars, when microsoft made IE an inextricable part of their OS and every subsequent update or patch forced the default browser to IE conveniently. In the hardware world things like the Zune and the phone were recognizable flops in every market segment but remained a going concern, with significant marketing and advertising to boot. Even the tablet, surface, experiences this as it takes multi million dollar losses every year and enjoys no real marketshare. Why?

    Two things: Perpetual corporate licensing and XBox revenues. These are, arguably, microsofts only source of immediate revenue anymore. the OS is given away with every PC, and things like Azure and the upcoming Windows Watch will have to be priced lower than their competitors. What microsoft has is the real power to sustain a dead-on-arrival product, seemingly indefinitely, off these two revenue streams. Microsofts dated logic is that it doesnt have to make a better product for customers, it just has to outlast competitor offerings until price and marketing somehow win over customers. once the product fails, it simply rolls it under the carpet and chases the next white dragon, dated 3-4 years, and offers a similar product in a desparate attempt to remain relevant in a particular market.

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    1. Re:other market factors to adjust for by debrain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Its only ever been effective during the browser wars

      Lest we forget, the others including:

      - Novell Netware
      - Wordperfect
      - PC/DR DOS & OS / 2

    2. Re:other market factors to adjust for by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Don't forget:
      7. DOS (vs CP/M)
      8. Doublespace (vs Stacker)
      9. Windows (vs GEM)
      10. XBox (vs Nintendo / Sega / Sony)
      It's actually hard to think of a successful Microsoft product that hasn't followed this pattern.

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  3. These Big Companies Just Write it Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Kramer : It's just a write off for them .

    Jerry : How is it a write off ?

    Kramer : They just write it off .

    Jerry : Write it off what ?

    Kramer : Jerry all these big companies they write off everything

    Jerry : You don't even know what a write off is .

    Kramer : Do you ?

    Jerry : No . I don't .

    Kramer : But they do -- and they're the ones writing it off!

  4. Re:As Sen Dirksen said... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's almost as if companies exist to earn as much money as possible

    How on earth does a $7.6 billion loss fit into the narrative of making as much money as possible?

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  5. It worked by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Funny

    So, everything was fine until Microsoft somehow (the article doesn't say) determined that goodwill was worth only $116 million instead of $5.4 billion. That's huge. This is the crucial piece that makes it all "make sense".

    Microsoft bought their rival and destroyed them. It's all done now, Nokia isn't coming back. Microsoft can rest easy now, the threat to Windows Phone has been eliminated. It cost billions, but that's OK. Plenty more where that came from. What's the point of being a huge corporation if you can't do things like this from time to time? It's time to stroke a Persian cat and sip a snifter of brandy. The Company has been saved.

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    1. Re:It worked by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      Dunno if you are being serious or not, assuming you are for the sake of discussion.

      Nokia isn't coming back

      I wouldn't be so sure about that.

      MS did not buy Nokia (despite headlines from people who thought the most publicaly visible part of a company was the only part), they bought Nokia's handset division, the lumia brand, some time limited rights to use the Nokia brand, and some time-limited no-compete clauses preventing Nokia from using their own brand on handsets for a while. In the not too distant future Nokia will be free to start a new handset division or license their brand to someone else.

      Microsoft can rest easy now, the threat to Windows Phone has been eliminated.

      Somewhat true, having first party handsets means they can keep offering phones even if the rest of the industry thinks their OS is a bad idea and some goodwill will have transferred from nokia to MS through the lumia brand and their distribution agreements but it's a very expensive way to maintain a distant third in the smartphone OS marketplace.

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  6. The Bottom Line by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that Microsoft not only could write this off, but did write this off shows how little they care about anything but the bottom line.

    Umm, writing this off does not in anyway improve their bottom line. Quite the opposite in fact. It's an admission that they bought something for a lot of money that is now worthless. What it shows is that they are not doing a very good job of maintaining the bottom line because the company is throwing money at bad investments. It's also a strong indicator that management at the time (read Balmer) was of questionable competence.

    1. Re:The Bottom Line by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Umm, writing this off does not in anyway improve their bottom line.

      Actually, this is pretty common trick to improve the bottom line. It doesn't improve the bottom line in that quarter, of course, but the single huge writeoff concentrates all the losses in the one quarter, making all the other quarters look better. Management then passes off the one bad quarter as an anomaly.

  7. The solution nobody asked for by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can't be the only person in the US who purchased said phone, can I?

    No but you aren't in a large crowd. I know I can count the number of Windows Phones I've seen in the wild on my fingers. Windows Phone was pretty much a solution nobody asked for several years later than anyone cared. Android and iOS already were large and dominant and developers weren't really looking to support a third platform. Technically it's probably fine but it offers nothing that people care about that the competition doesn't already have.

    Furthermore Google is basically giving Android away so the handset makers have no incentive to care about Windows. Why would Samsung want to pay Microsoft for a product nobody wants anyway? Microsoft lacks the design culture and brand to compete with Apple on the high end (through vertical integration) and Google is undercutting them on price on the low end. Frankly I think Microsoft is screwed in the mobile phone market. I just don't see a path to profitability for them.

  8. The Big Bath by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Actually, this is pretty common trick to improve the bottom line.

    It does not improve the bottom line at all. That is an accounting fact. It has other effects but improving the bottom line isn't one of them.

    It doesn't improve the bottom line in that quarter, of course, but the single huge writeoff concentrates all the losses in the one quarter, making all the other quarters look better. Management then passes off the one bad quarter as an anomaly.

    You are talking about the Big Bath tactic. That is an earning management tactic to try to prop up the stock price by showing artificial profits in other financial periods. It is a fairly transparent and rather shady technique used to try to take advantage of the short memory of investors but make no mistake that it does nothing to improve the bottom line. Whether you take the hit all in one quarter or over time is irrelevant to the effect on profitability. Writing off an investment - any investment - reduces the value of the company.

    Disclosure: Among other things I am a certified accountant.

  9. Re:steve ballmer's legacy gets one last sucker pun by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Depending on how you look at it, Elop did a great job.
    1) The comapny was already dead
    2) He managed to get a lot of money for the company

    I would say that that is a great job, unless that was not his (real) jobdescription.

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  10. Re:As Sen Dirksen said... by dcollins · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "When the first U.S. public corporations were created in the early 1800s, corporate charters were granted by the state legislatures for very specific purposes. The charters specified that the corporations met what was considered to be a worthy public purpose and contained strict restrictions, such as the length of time the charter lasted and what, specifically, the corporation could manufacture. In the mid-nineteenth century, it wasn't unheard of for states like Ohio, Michigan, New York and Nebraska to revoke corporate charters when corporations no longer fulfilled their purpose."

    We should return to enforcing and revoking corporate charters when they fail to serve the public interest.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/corporate-charters_b_2759596.html

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  11. Maemo was Good by randallman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I owned a N800 and N900. Maemo was good and would have allowed Nokia to maintain the control and distinctiveness they had with Symbian. With support for Android apps, it was a win-win. They needed united support for Maemo internally, but instead got Elop. Elop decided to throw out Maemo and Sybian and throw everything behind Windows Phone. The rest is history.

    Going Android would have been a bad move also, because they would have no edge over the other Android players. Having their own OS with support for Android apps was a better solution.

  12. Re:As Sen Dirksen said... by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    The worst corporations in history have been as you describe (e.g The Dutch East India Company, etc).

    With the government hanging over them they just become extensions of it. Do you like Fascism? Because that is what you propose. Exactly what I'd expect from Nader.

    Mussolini's oft quoted line about corporations is actually about these types of corporations.

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  13. Book value by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Oh bull shit. Value of the company? Please we are talking about perception to investors.

    No we are talking about the book value of the company and to some degree the intrinsic value. The secondary market value of the company is a separate concern.

    The only thing a write-off decreases is the profits of the company at the time the write-off is booked.

    Wrong. It decreases the assets of the company and increases expenses. It also affects the equity of the company because assets decreased and so equity must decrease also if you aren't adding liabilities. The write off also means that the expected future earnings from the asset are reduced which reduces the net present value of the enterprise. The notion that the only thing that is affected is the profits in that one financial period is demonstrably wrong and any accountant should be able to easily show you why.

    It may also reduce the company's tax liability - by reducing its profit.

    If you have an impaired asset you record the difference as a loss but it is no different than any other investment gone south. Put in simple terms what you are suggesting is selling a $2 bill for $1 to try to intentionally realize a $0.15 tax savings. The company is worse off by $0.85 so worrying about the $0.15 in reduced tax is idiotic. Any reduced tax liability should be small consolation for shareholders in the face of a $7 billion writedown.

  14. Re:steve ballmer's legacy gets one last sucker pun by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2
    Around 2005, Nokia had a shiny new kernel (Symbian EKA2), designed from scratch to scale to future mobile systems with a good security model, clean abstractions, and power management built in at all layers. It was still hampered, however, by userspace APIs that were designed for a far more memory-constrained environment. Their solution to this involved multiple phases. Their first part was to try to replace the kernel with Linux. This did not go well. They then had no idea how to design a new set of userland APIs, so they set up multiple teams internally competing. These teams were very good at sabotaging each other, but not so good at bringing a usable product to market.

    Elop came in when Nokia had failed to produce anything to compete with the iPhone or even with a moderately decent Android handset. He managed to persuade Microsoft to buy Nokia for what now turns out to be a significant multiple of their real value. Of all the companies that benefitted from this, Microsoft was pretty low down the list.

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  15. A rock and a hard place for Microsoft by sjbe · · Score: 2

    If, on the other hand, you want the Google Play store, then you have to pay Google, agree to ship other Google apps in the default firmware install, and agree not to ship competing apps in a few categories in the default install.

    The amount of money Google makes from this is almost negligible. Something north of 95% of Google's revenue comes from advertising so whatever they are charging to access Google Play it doesn't amount to much in the grand scheme of things. Microsoft on the other hand basically makes all their revenue from software sales so they pretty much have to charge something for it since they lack a supporting revenue stream. (unless you want to count desktop software sales but that would be kind of dumb of them)

    A lot of that is marketing. It's far more a brand problem than a design culture.

    Marketing isn't some magical pixie dust you can waive over a company to make people want their products. Marketing at its core is relationship development and that takes a lot of careful work and time. Microsoft has mostly done a terrible job developing relationships with customers. They've been the beneficiary of a monopoly so their survival never depended heavily on people having warm fuzzies when they think about Microsoft. Apple on the other hand has been arguably brilliant at it, almost from their beginning. Think about how many Apple stickers you've seen on the backs of cars. Probably quite a few - I see them regularly. People LOVE Apple even when they shouldn't. Apple has one of those brands like Harley-Davidson that people have almost a fetish for. Now how many Microsoft stickers have you seen? Probably none. By and large people don't love Microsoft or their products. Microsoft has the money to change this I suppose but it will take a lot of careful effort and time and frankly I doubt they have the corporate culture to pull it off.