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FAA Has Approved More Than 1,000 Drone Exemptions

coondoggie writes: The Federal Aviation Administration today said it has issued 1,008 exemptions to businesses wanting to fly unmanned aircraft in the national airspace. Such small drones have been on the bad side of the news in the past few days: there have been at least three complaints about the diminutive aircraft flying near the flight path of JFK airport in New York. All three of the flights landed safely but the events prompted New York Senator Charles Schumer to call for "tougher FAA rules on drones," as well as geofencing software that could prohibit a done from flying higher than 500 feet, and keep it two miles away from any airport or sensitive area.

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  1. When guns are outlawed... by alhead · · Score: 1

    "...geofencing software that could prohibit a done from flying higher than 500 feet, and keep it two miles away from any airport or sensitive area."

    ...for those law-abiding drone operators who choose to use it.

    1. Re:When guns are outlawed... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Eh, it's kind of like your Android phone not making root readily available. It's there to protect the unwashed masses from themselves. Serious hobbyists (or bad actors) don't have much difficulty getting around the restrictions. I don't think anyone seriously thinks that "geofencing" software will keep a terrorist from flying a drone into restricted airspace. What it will do is keep the "hold my beer and watch this!" crowd from flying their drone into the glide path of a 747.

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    2. Re:When guns are outlawed... by alhead · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with your sentiment, and such simple protections do generally keep people from getting themselves into trouble inadvertently. However, I am a bit leery about the false sense of security that comes with regulations that people don't really understand. Also, I'd hate to see the relationship between commercial drone operators and the FAA develop to the point where regulations on non-exempt drones become a huge barrier to entry for startups etc. that don't already have said exemptions.

    3. Re:When guns are outlawed... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      AGL != MSL

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    4. Re:When guns are outlawed... by stackOVFL · · Score: 1

      If the drone gets sucked into the engine it could cause serious damage. Conceivable it could destroy the aircraft either through explosion of making the aircraft crash. Birds do cause aircraft to crash: http://www.livescience.com/323...

    5. Re:When guns are outlawed... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Although not desirable, I don't see why a small hobby drone should bother a full size airplane. The plane should just plow through on its course and it will easily knock the drone out of the sky. A bird would have more effect than a small drone, and no one is talking about geo-fencing birds. On the other hand, my kickstarter project of dog fighting drones should do well. Killer drones to take out the unapproved drones. All government areas and rich celebrities will want them.

      This is the FAA we are talking about where perceived safety is king... Where it's not likely to kill anybody, shooting at an aircraft is illegal... Why? Because it MIGHT kill somebody, or a whole lot of somebodies if you hit the thing with your lucky shot.

      Drones are the same kind of thing. Yea, it's unlikely a drone is going to bring down a 747, even if it happens to hit it, but it's POSSIBLE one could go though the windshield or though an engine and do enough damage or cause enough distraction to cause a crash that kills somebody. The FAA is about safety, and they do that by elimination of as many risks as possible and leaving as much margin for error as they can. In this case, eliminating the risk is EASY, just forbid flying hobby drones in the same airspace with aircraft which this 500' ASL and 2 miles from airports. If they are never in the same airspace, there is no risk.

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    6. Re:When guns are outlawed... by bws111 · · Score: 2

      Nobody is talking about geofencing birds, really? Can you really be that stupid? Bird control is a MAJOR concern at airports.

    7. Re:When guns are outlawed... by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Look how that turned out for RadioShack!

    8. Re:When guns are outlawed... by RobertM1968 · · Score: 1

      "...geofencing software that could prohibit a done from flying higher than 500 feet, and keep it two miles away from any airport or sensitive area."

      ...for those law-abiding drone operators who choose to use it.

      Which would be many of us who do (or want to do) such things commercially, and like the idea of getting paid without risk of our assets being seized and without the potential for criminal charges. ;-)

  2. That's how you make money in government by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Have the legislature pass a law against X with exemptions to be granted by agency Y and get the executive to sign it. (Ideally, X outlaws everyone from doing anything - see below.)
    2) As an employee of agency Y, get into a position of power to grant exemptions
    3) Accept bribes (quietly, the "invest $500K in my brother-in-law's fishing charter" kind) to grant exemptions to the law
    4) PROFIT!

  3. How to do 500 feet? by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

    I am assuming they mean above ground, because otherwise it would be a stupid idea (I'm not saying that's impossible). Do you require drones to be equipped with laser or radar altimeters? Do you require them to use DTED?

    1. Re:How to do 500 feet? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      the terrain is not going to change that much.

      Hello, flatlander!

    2. Re:How to do 500 feet? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah I would expect a minimum accuracy to be +-100ft.
      Ideal would be +-10ft most equipment won't do that especially none of the cheaper stuff.

      And I would hope that a gov't requirement would bring the cost's down due to volume like it did with the led light bulbs.

      But as a poster noted above unlevel terrain would be a problem in places (grand canyon).

      While it should be cheap enough to geofence around areas the height limit may be a bit of a problem.

      Height above ground seems silly in some places and height above sea level would just be ridiculous.

      Maybe a mean height for a area? Or maybe you could have it self calibrate on take off for ground level. Although that would mean if you landed it on the bottom of the grand canyon you would have to walk it back up the walls if you could find a ledge big enough to sit it on 500ft at a time.

      Having the drone self set the ground level on take off seems most likely as its both cheap and easy to implement and it has its downsides. If you were to launch your drone from a 500ft cell tower you could get to 1000ft.

      A mean geographical average would be harder to implement but shouldn't have as wide a variance as self setting.

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    3. Re:How to do 500 feet? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Or 500 feet above sea level.

      No flying drones in Denver where the ground STARTS at 5,000 feet above sea level and goes up from there... There is a reason they call it the "Mile High City" and it's not because they allow pot smoking.

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    4. Re:How to do 500 feet? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I am assuming they mean above ground, because otherwise it would be a stupid idea (I'm not saying that's impossible). Do you require drones to be equipped with laser or radar altimeters? Do you require them to use DTED?

      I would expect that they would be happy with the following rule.. The 500' altitude restriction referenced from the GROUND level at the point of launch. I would further use a 1 mile radius from the starting point as a limit. The only other way this works is you have and are following DTED and do not exceed 500' above an adjacent DTED observation point, which doesn't seem practical to me.

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    5. Re:How to do 500 feet? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Denver sounds like the perfect drone-free city!

  4. Pilot's licenses should be required by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    ... to fly drones outside your own personal property. That would solve many of these issues very quickly. Pilots are trained to understand airspace restrictions, to file flight plans, and to look up TFRs before they fly. Obviously, you can't trust normal people to do these things, so licenses should be required. Flying a drone without a license should be a prosecutable criminal offense, and even worse if you bust airspace.

    1. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The FAA's current '333' waivers DO require actual pilots licenses and registered aircraft.

      It's definitely necessary for someone flying a 3-pound plastic quadcopter 25 feet off the ground to take a look at whether or not some gutters need to be cleaned out ... to hold a pilots license, get a tail number for that 3-pound toy copter, coordinate with the local tower, and of course file a flight plan. Should probably be required to know Morse code, too, just in case. You can't be too careful. This should also apply to people who fly kites and weather balloons, and those who race pigeons.

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    2. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Did you miss my comment about flying over private property owned by the pilot (or presumably, where the owner has given the pilot permission to fly in it)?

      It's just like driving a vehicle: if you have a big farm, there is zero requirement to register your car with the state government or get a driver's license, as long as you keep your vehicle on your own land. You can even let your 12-year-old kid drive your car on your land. It's only when you drive onto public streets that all that stuff becomes mandatory.

      It should be the same with drones. Stick to your own land, or land you have explicit permission to fly over, and nothing is needed. If you want to fly in airspace shared by other aircraft, you need a license just like they do.

    3. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Did you miss my comment about flying over private property owned by the pilot (or presumably, where the owner has given the pilot permission to fly in it)?

      No. Why should it make any difference? Commercial aviation goes over your property too. Are you saying that somebody launching a 3-pound quadcopter into the air above their property is inherently safer at 1000' than is the person who does that from some empty lot or a wooded park in the middle of nowhere?

      You don't seem to understand that you don't own the air over your property.

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    4. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      This exactly shows why morons like you have no business flying without a license. You have no concept whatsoever of "airspace".

      You don't seem to understand that you don't own the air over your property.

      Bullshit. You own the air up to 500 feet. Commercial aircraft are not allowed to fly within that zone without permission or a really good reason.

      Are you saying that somebody launching a 3-pound quadcopter into the air above their property is inherently safer at 1000' than is the person who does that from some empty lot or a wooded park in the middle of nowhere?

      No, someone with a 3-pound quadcopter has no business operating at 1000' because that's federally regulated airspace, unless that person has a proper pilot's license and type rating for that aircraft. Even there, they probably shouldn't be allowed to operate at that altitude because that aircraft is too small to be seen by other human-piloted aircraft.

      What I'm saying is that someone who owns the property and also the drone shouldn't need a license to operate their drone, within their airspace (up to 500' AGL), as long as they stay within that box. If they crash their drone into their house, that's their own fault and their own problem. It's exactly like how we treat farm-use vehicles: they aren't required to be registered, tagged, or have licensed drivers as long as they stay on private land. If they screw up because they let their 12-year-old kid drive and he crashes, that's their problem, and auto insurance won't cover it nor do they need to worry about hitting other drivers.

    5. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      Uh, as someone who *does* have a pilot's certificate, the GP is more right than you are.

      First of all it's a certificate, not a license. Yes, the distinction matters. And there's lots of not-commercial aircraft - in any case the airspace rules are no different.

      You don't own the air up to 500 feet by any means. The FAA's rules (mostly for fixed-wing aircraft) are in 14 CFR 91.119, paraphrased:
      - Always where an emergency landing can be conducted without "undue hazard" (note, not "no hazard") to people or property on the surface
      - Congested areas, like towns and other areas the FAA decides (naturally only after they come after you) are "too populated", like highways. 1000 feet above the highest obstacle within 2000 feet. At a minimum, includes the yellow areas on the World VFR chart here.
      - "Other than congested areas", but not "sparsely populated" - that's your 500ft rule
      - "Sparsely populated areas" can be operated arbitrarily low (subject to the first rule) as long as they're 500ft away from person, vessel, vehicle, or structure. This is why crop dusting is legal.

      Of course this obviously doesn't apply to takeoffs and landings. It also doesn't apply for helicopters (they have a looser set of rules) and a few other kinds of aircraft.

      The long and the short of it is I can fly over your field at 20 feet all day long if I want to. It's not very courteous, but it's quite legal. I can fly 501 lateral feet from your second-story bathroom window, even if it's over your property. And of course a helicopter can fly lower and closer than that, even over a congested area. Again, not courteous and not necessarily smart, but there's a whole lot of things in flying that are legal are not good ideas.

      You have no special sovereignty over the air above your property. You can use it to the extent the use is reasonably connected to the property below. For instance you can put another level on your house without asking anybody, or even a tall radio tower (>200ft or near an airport you have to tell the FCC), but you can't put up a "spite pole" just to keep airplanes away. So basically you have a right to your airspace to the extent you don't try to exercise control over it by excluding airplanes.

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    6. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. You own the air up to 500 feet.

      This is factually incorrect, pure and simple. You have no idea what you're talking about.

      No, someone with a 3-pound quadcopter has no business operating at 1000' because that's federally regulated airspace, unless that person has a proper pilot's license and type rating for that aircraft.

      Which is exactly why your entire premise about being over your own yard or over some other patch of dirt means exactly nothing in the context of your complaint.

      What I'm saying is that someone who owns the property and also the drone shouldn't need a license to operate their drone, within their airspace (up to 500' AGL), as long as they stay within that box.

      But you think they're going to somehow be smart enough, without a pilot's certificate, to stay under 500' above their own dirt, but can't be trusted to make exactly the same decision thirty feet to the right, above a different patch of grass? People who are going to break the law are going to break the law. Drivers licenses don't prevent tens of thousands of deaths every year, involving certified drivers on heavily regulated public roads. Meanwhile literally millions of RC aircraft of all shapes and sizes are flown. Give us a run-down of the ensuing blood bath, would you? Details, please.

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    7. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by fnj · · Score: 1

      A bit of confusion over nit-picking terms is not surprising, given the FAA itself sounds confused. From http://www.faa.gov/pilots/become/, "FAA's rules for getting a pilot's license (certificate) " and "There are several different types of pilot's licenses...".

      One might be forgiven for assuming that the certificate is evidence of licensure.

    8. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by adolf · · Score: 1

      What say you if a quadcoper/"drone" had a cryptographically-secure mechanism to prevent it from flying above 500' AGL?

      What if it had an active (and useful!) default LIDAR/RADAR/SONAR looking at the ground to enforce this, with complementary GPS?

      Might that be OK from the non-licensed aviator perspective?

      Might it be worse, from the FOSS perspective?

      (and for the inevitable slippery slope argument: I'll volunteer to watch the watchers. All of them, no matter what they are watching. Nobody has anything to fear.)

    9. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Scenario: You're standing at the top of a 750' cliff, and launch for a 200' view of something at the edge of the cliff. You fly one foot to the left, which means you're still 200' above your own head, but technically 950' above the dirt that is immediately below the drone. Does it precipitously drop 250' in an effort to keep itself legal, thus leaving it 50' below your feet and just inches from a collision with the cliff face? What happens when you are granted permission to fly from the observation deck of a 600' building? Etc.

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    10. Re:Pilot's licenses should be required by Toad-san · · Score: 1

      True that. Otherwise, think about prison yards (recent drop by a drone of drugs in one), athletic fields (imagine a drone ditching, aldning, crashing in the middle of a professional football or baseball game), back yards as you mentioned, stampeding farm animals, hovering outside a business's windows and photographing commercial secrets. The list goes on and on and on.

  5. laser turret by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a drone shooting automated turret at the airport is in order.

    It could also take out those pesky geese!

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  6. All That's Needed is One Stupid Rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is SO FUCKING STUPID!! Is the FAA now opening a new division and hiring more bureaucrats just to process drone exception paperwork? What a stupid waste of money! That's how you know it was invented by government employees.

    The real solution is very simple: just declare that drones are only allowed to fly in class Gulf airspace, knock it off with the bullshit bureaucracy, and watch sales of sectionals, airspace databases, and GPS units increase. THERE! I fixed that for ya.

    Oh, and as common sense, don't piss people off by flying too close over their property. If you do, there's an increasing likelihood the property owner will pull out a gun or a net and bring your drone down. As with everything else in life, live in peace and don't piss off your neighbors! Government people, that last part is true but falls within the realm of "common sense", so it doesn't need to be codified in your regs.

    See there? We made life easier for everyone involved and gave the economy a shot in the arm which increases the income tax base. More money for less work! Come on, government guys... WAKE UP!

    So, how 'bout it, Slashdot community? Who's going to write some open source autopilot software that automatically keeps drones out of controlled airspace? How about an open source 3D airspace database? How about an open hardware ATC mode C transponder Arduino shield that also participates in TCAS and AIS-B to alert other aircraft of your drone's presence?

    1. Re:All That's Needed is One Stupid Rule by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes sir, and what about those darned motorcars? Always roaring about belching smoke and steam, and dripping oil... why, last week my prize mare almost threw a shoe after slipping on a patch of that foul petroleum distillate.

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    2. Re:All That's Needed is One Stupid Rule by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I don't think a modern city would be recognizable to the opponents of the automobile or even to some of those who championed it.

      If you don't look up, the difference would be less shocking than you imagine... especially since the motorcar is so very much cleaner and quieter now than it was then.

      I also don't think people can appreciate what a city of ubiquitous drones would be like.

      This drone thing is a fad, it will come in waves. This is the "pretty cheap" wave, it is fairly annoying. The "practically free" wave will be even worse. Then it will settle down to a dull background murmur.

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    3. Re:All That's Needed is One Stupid Rule by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Not if Amazon and Google have anything to say about it.

      You won't even notice those drones most of the time. There's a whole lot of space in which they can operate which is below aircraft but well above the humans.

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  7. Re:FAA approves giraffes by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Feeling tongue-tied?

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  8. Re:Insanity by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Oh please, if you think I'm going to read all this idiotic Libertarian claptrap, you're deluded. (But then, you have to be deluded to believe this shit.)

    The simple fact is that flying is extremely dangerous, and when pilots fuck up, it has serious consequences, usually worse if there's passengers, but even if there's not, they can cause catastrophic damage on the ground too. The government has every right to regulate airspace, just as it regulates roads to keep dangerous drivers off the highways so they don't kill people through their negligence and incompetence (unfortunately, the government isn't so good at identifying bad drivers, but it has the right to).

    You probably think people and companies should be able to pollute all they want too.

  9. Re:Sense of proportion? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    We kill 30,000 people per year with drunk driving, and yet the federal govt does not license or test car drivers or drinkers.

    Bullshit. The state governments license and test car drivers (poorly usually). If the federal government took it over, people like you would start screaming about the 10th Amendment. The Federal government handles aviation because planes routinely cross state lines, whereas interstate car traffic isn't remotely a majority of car traffic.

    For that matter, over 50 people die per year in the US doing roofing work, should we require roofers to have federal licenses and get their equipment approved by the feds?

    Again, this is probably something that's regulated by the states. You can't be a professional plumber without a state license. And again, people like you would be screaming about the 10th Amendment if the federal government tried to license contractors. And honestly, in that case you'd probably be right anyway; there's no need to license contractors at the federal level, and states can manage it better themselves since there are differences from state-to-state in what's allowed (local codes and such).

    Are you trying to argue that your local or state government shouldn't be allowed to license plumbers, electricians, etc?

  10. Incidents by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    There were incidents with drones, but did that ones fly with a FAA exemption? Or were they unwarranted flyers?

  11. an UAV pilot license by Max_W · · Score: 1

    An UAV license for buying a drone should be a law.

    I am an UAV pilot myself. Flying a multi-rotor and fixed-wing UAV well is not that simple. It requires extensive theoretical and practical training.