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Epson Is Trying To Kill the Printer Ink Cartridge

An anonymous reader writes: Inkjet printer cartridges have been the bane of many small businesses and home offices for decades. It's interesting, then, that Epson is trying something new: next month, they're launching a new line of printers that come with small tanks of ink, instead of cartridges. The tanks will be refilled using bottles of ink. They're reversing the economics, here: the printer itself will be more expensive, but the refills will be much cheaper. Early reports claim you'll be spending a tenth as much on ink as you were before, but we'll see how that shakes out. The Bloomberg article makes a good point: it's never been easier to not print things. The printer industry needs to innovate if it wants us to keep churning out printed documents, and this may be the first big step.

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  1. dry ink by Spazmania · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I ditched inkjet printers because the ink dries out before the next time I want to print something. Toner cartridges don't seem to have that problem.

    Can Epson overcome that problem?

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    1. Re:dry ink by Zarhan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Has solved it already a few years ago with Epson Claria inks. They are still costly (based on the cartridge-pricing-model), but the whole point of that product is that it doesn't block the heads if you don't print anything for a while.

      I have an Epson PX720WD myself (got it cheap out of a dealer going of of business), and use it *very* rarely. There may be several months between sheets, and nearly a year between color printings. I've replaced the cartridges once. And never gotten a blocked printing head.

    2. Re:dry ink by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm in the same boat as you with my current ink jet. I needed to copy something yesterday. It took 5 minutes of cleaning/priming the cartridge before it printed the one page. I think I've printed less than a dozen pages of your average color office document and all 3 of my non-black cartridges are empty. My last Canon when it bit the dust I disassembled to see if there was anything salvageable for a 3d printer. In the bottom I found a quite large thick absorbent pad that is used to soak up ink when it's primed. It was completely saturated with about a kabillion dollars worth of ink.

    3. Re:dry ink by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Same here. I got tired of paying $10 per use due to cloggage. I bought a scanner / color laser for regular prints and started sending photos to Walmart. Even then I would try harder to buy a laser printer with less expensive toner cartidges.

      I did an analysis once and it seemed the black stylish laser printers cost more per page to refill then the beige office tone ones, generally speaking.

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    4. Re:dry ink by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Canon solved this problem ages ago. They use an ink that is melted during the print phase, so it never dries out. They're great for people who print quite infrequently.

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    5. Re:dry ink by Golden_Rider · · Score: 5, Informative

      Same problem here, same problem for my parents. I owned a HP colour inkjet printer years ago, cartridges always dried up and I ended up using over half the ink via "cleaning mode" just to make the damn thing work again when I wanted to print a page again after a few weeks. Even worse for my parents, they bought an inkjet printer, I helped set it up, it worked, a couple days later it already had missing lines in the printouts due to clogged-up print heads. Of course my father was pissed, "every time I just want to print out one or two pages, I have to clean the damn printer for five minutes before it works again!"

      So I bought a €100 black and white laser printer for my parents, they are happy with it and the 3000 pages toner cartridge will last them forever. I myself had already switched to laser printers years earlier, I bought a colour one last year (previous model to this: http://accessories.us.dell.com... ). Cost me €250, the toner lasts a long time, print quality is very good even for pictures (of course not suitable if you REALLY want to print out glossy photographs on high quality photo paper) and a third party set of toner (all colours) costs about €30.

    6. Re:dry ink by jandrese · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even better: Get a network postscript color laser printer.

      Not only will it last forever, but you will be able to use the generic drivers that come with your OS to print on it. No more 200MB driver downloads only to find out that they've dropped support for your OS or don't work on 64 bit systems or whatever. The network postscript color laser is the last printer you'll ever need to buy, and they can be found in the $200 range easily these days.

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    7. Re:dry ink by jrumney · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back in the early days of inkjet printing, Epson had their print heads on the printer, and the cartridges only held ink, making the cartridges cheaper than the competition. They also had separate cartridges for each color, while the competition (HP, Lexmark, Canon) combined the color cartridges into a single three cell cartidge and in some cases even included black in a four cell cartridge so you had to replace all at once. I was a light user, and had the same printer for about 3 years, going through two sets of cartridges in that time (maybe one or two more black cartridges). After three years, the printer was still in good condition and printing well, and I gave it to a friend because I was moving overseas. No inkjet printer I have had since has matched up to it. Unused ink clogging up print heads was an artificial problem caused by additives in the ink, it was never a fundamental issue with the technology.

  2. This used to be the case in the past... by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Early inkjet printers basically did this. The ink bottle was replaceable, but what ended up happening is that the nozzles got easily clogged, so a number of printer makers went with replaceable ink reservoir/nozzle assemblies. Similar with laser printers which had separate toner/drum parts, but eventually, those were merged into one unit, so all consumables were in one unit.

    I'd just be happy with larger ink cartridges. It is sad how few milli-liters most cartridges have, and when one weighs the cartridge full, before loading, and empty, it drives the point home.

    1. Re:This used to be the case in the past... by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd just be happy with larger ink cartridges. It is sad how few milli-liters most cartridges have.

      Also: Individual colors, and a head declogging routine that works on a single cartridge at a time instead of draining the perfectly good colors as well.

      The final straw for me was when one color was blocked, so I did a couple of cleans to sort it out and that drained another color so I had to put in a new cartridge (luckily I had separate colors), run the cleaning again, by which time another color was flashing as empty and I had to change that as well. During this time my brand new black ink cartridge went down by about 25%. All in all that page cost me about $20 to print.

      I went out next day and bought a color laser. I've had it about 10 years and only bought one new set of cartridges. It's always worked first time - switch on and print. I'd rather stab my own eyeballs with forks than own another inkjet.

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  3. Obligatory TheOatmeal comic by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Funny

    Classic: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/p...

    Seriously though, who prints stuff outside of work anyway?

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    1. Re:Obligatory TheOatmeal comic by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 5, Informative

      Musicians. I keep an android tablet on my piano too, but a lot of the time it's more convenient to print out the sheet music that I'm currently using and lay the pages side by side on the stand instead of working with a smaller tablet screen. Tablet is great for trying stuff out and whatnot but it's nice to print the sheets out for longer term study.

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  4. Who uses inkjet? by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have they solved all the nozzle cleaning problems, etc. as well? Why would I want an inkjet?

    I can buy a color laser for less money that will also print thousands of pages between refills. Plus it "just works", no messing around, ever.

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  5. Re:Don't believe the hype by thaylin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except with just refill bottles instead of cartridges it means that it is vastly easier to sell off brand ink, no pesky DMCA and such on the cartridges, so you are not really locked in.

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  6. Re:Canon already does that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yup. And the entire device stops working if one of the cartridges is empty. You want to scan a page? Replace the yellow cartridge first.

  7. its about time someone did it. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does anyone remember the company that started the whole 'printing is a razorblade business' model? Lexmark.

    At the time businesses were laser copy shops or IBM wheelwriter typewriter houses. Epson, HP, and Canon were the dominant forces in ink jet printing in the 90's but IBM's fledgling Lexmark brand has just gone independent in their own buyout, and figured they could turn inkjet printing into a razorblade business where the hardware was commodity but the cartridges were the real money to be had. CPD, the consumer printing division, was tasked with making something IBM historically had never done: consumer inkjets. Cartriges were never cheap, but lexmark took this to a whole other level. by early to mid 2000 you could get a Lexmark laser printer for around 50 dollars that came without cartriges. Those were around 50 a piece as well, and the reigning opinion at the New Circle campus was customers would go for it in hordes...except they didnt, for two reasons.

    1. Quality: BPD, the Business Printing Division at lexmark, ran like a well oiled machine because it had to. business customers that relied on IBM printing now had to rely on Lexmark, and processes and methods for manufacturing an entire line of laser and ribbon technologies was sacrosanct. CPD on the other hand was horribly mismanaged, and driven in direct competition with BPD. corners were cut in order to meet an inexorable demand for new releases each year and lower costs. Hardware in the Z series finally became so awful, and so failure prone, the lines name was changed out entirely and CPD was eventually folded into BPD during a large round of firings and layoffs.
    2. Internet.: The internet was fast obsoleting printers and while Lexmark had all-in-one laserjets, these were still marketed almost solely to businesses. CPD had plans for a high-speed scanner based on an array of digital cameras, but it came too late. Lexmark building 10, 58, 98, and much of their remaining manufacturing areas were being demolished or leased out.

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  8. Re:Canon already does that? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, that annoys the shit out of me.

  9. Re:Don't believe the hype by marciot · · Score: 5, Informative

    Except with just refill bottles instead of cartridges it means that it is vastly easier to sell off brand ink, no pesky DMCA and such on the cartridges, so you are not really locked in.

    You haven’t seen the bottles, have you? They come with pentalobe shaped tips that only fit the pentalobe shaped hole on the printer’s ink reservoir.

  10. Knock it off, businesses! by xenotransplant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why does it still happen? The only time I ever need to use a printer is at work. I had a client ask me why we still print copies of our orders. I replied with "I don't really know" because I really just don't get it. Everything else we do is electronic. We are spending money on paper and toner in order to have copies of repair orders that are stored on at least 6 different hard drives across a wide tract of the earth. Having all these copies on paper is only going to make it easier to burn the place down when they take my stapler and move me to the boiler room.

  11. Re:Don't believe the hype by ZorinLynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've yet to see a color laser that can print photos as well as even the cheapest color ink jets.

    I think laser printing tech doesn't lend well to making photographic prints. Probably due to the glossy paper and the need to mix ink colors together to create a wide color spectrum. With lasers everything you print is essentially half-toned, like photos in a magazine.

  12. What comes around... by scotts13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, this made me laugh. The very first color inkjet I ever saw (circa 1987) used refillable reservoirs, and simple squeeze bottles of ink. The printer (Tektronix) was pricey - perhaps $1600 1987 dollars - but cost almost nothing to operate. I think an 8 oz. bottle was six or seven bucks.

    BTW, that printer was a wide-carriage, 300 dpi model with a SCSI interface.

  13. Re:Laser printers are cheap by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

    Worried about viruses on a USB stick at a photo kiosk? What is this, the 00's? Upload it to the website and its printed by the time you get to the store to pick it up.