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Windows 10, From a Linux User's Perspective

Phoronix features today a review of Windows 10 that's a little different from most you might read, because it's specifically from the point of view of an admin who uses both Windows and Linux daily, rather than concentrating only on the UI of Windows qua Windows. Reviewer Eric Griffith finds some annoyances (giant start menu even when edited to contain fewer items, complicated process if you want a truly clean install), but also some good things, like improved responsiveness ("feels much more responsive than even my Gnome and KDE installations under Fedora") and an appropriately straightforward implementation of virtual workspaces. Overall? Windows 10 is largely an evolutionary upgrade over Windows 7 and Windows 8.1, rather than a revolutionary one. Honestly I think the only reason it will be declared as 'so good' is because Windows 8/8.1 were so bad. Sure, Microsoft has made some good changes under the surface-- the animations feel crisper, its relatively light on resources, battery life is good. There is nothing -wrong- with Windows 10 aside from the Privacy Policy. If you're on Windows Vista, or Windows 8/8.1, then sure, upgrade. The system is refreshing to use, it's perfectly fine and definitely an upgrade. If you're on Windows 7 though? I'm not so sure. ... Overall, there's really nothing to see here. It's not terrible, it's not even 'bad, it's just... okay. A quiet little upgrade.

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  1. Re:Honestly? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of actual Windows users thought that the UI in Windows 8 SUCKED. It's not just Linux users. Win8 was like Vista. The fact that there is even a Win 8.1 is an artifact of how badly genuine Windows users reacted to Win8.

    Pretending that this is just the complaints of Linux users is extremely disingenuous.

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  2. No Privacy Policy by kilgortrout · · Score: 5, Funny

    "There is nothing -wrong- with Windows 10 aside from the Privacy Policy."

    And apart from that, how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln!!!!

  3. Re:My big hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    My big hope is that this version's Environment Variable easter egg is buried under a few more layers of indirection.

    With each new version, one must spend several extra minutes figuring out where the Double Secret Super Duper Advanced Don't Try This At Home Brutal Power User Steel Cage Death Match Of Dh00m dialog is located, merely to set the PATH.

    You're kidding, right?

    Hit the Windows key, type the first couple letters of "environment" (on my machine "env" is enough) and hit down arrow a few times to select "Edit the system environment variables" (or "for your account", whichever tickles your fancy). Hit Enter.

    This has worked reliably ever since the search feature got built into the Start menu in Windows 7.

    If remembering that PATH is under "environment variables" is too hard then searching for "path" will actually work just as well.

  4. Re:So, in other words, stick to Linux by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm always amazed at how people gloss over the worst in Microsoft's products. These things are proprietary beasts of which the users have little to no real control. [...] On Microsoft Windows your pretty much just screwed the moment Microsoft dictates a change you don't like.

    That's so true. That's also why I use a Mac, because Apple is not at all like Micros- Posted from a Mac mini. Get your own Mac mini today! -oft and will always leave me in control of my device.

  5. Re:My big hope by thebjorn · · Score: 5, Informative

    Win + Break gets you to the link for 'Advanced system settings'. Works in at least win7, 8, 8.1, 10.

  6. Re:Honestly? by epyT-R · · Score: 5, Informative

    From win7 to win 8?
    1. loss of custom window metric adjustments, font sizes, and colors
    2. loss of classic desktop (eg win2k/xp)
    3. forced color schemes (2:1 brightness ratio prevented darker configurations)
    4. fullscreen start menu was distracting and irritating to use compared to a simple menu.
    5. dwm locked window updates to 60hz (win8.0, was fixed later)
    6. dwm broke a ton of easily fixed backward compatibility with programs that used ddraw to change modes etc.
    7. metro apps were (and still are) useless on the desktop. ugly and clunky too
    8. unified search was compromised, forcing users to go back to dir filename /a/s in a command prompt
    9. This is a big one for me: removed technical information in stop errors. If stop errors prevent the system from booting, it makes diagnosis a lot harder.
    10. two control panels. with windows 10, it's worse because some needed options for the desktop are in one while others are in the 'classic' vista era panel.

  7. Re: My big hope by bjs555 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm not sure how well known it is but there is "God Mode" for Win 7, 8, and 10. To get God Mode you create a folder on the desktop and rename it as described below:

    1. Go to the Desktop
    2. Right-click and select New Folder.
    3. Right-click on the New Folder and select Rename.
    4. Change the name of the folder [just copy & paste the following string]: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}
    5. Open the folder and you will find every setting/utility under the sun organized into a sensible menu that you can browse through without knowing what name to type into a search bar.

  8. Re:My big hope by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Intuitive is always a red herring in UI design. There are two far more important attributes:
    • Is it discoverable?
    • Is it consistent?

    Control/command-x/c/v for cut/copy/paste are discoverable and consistent: if you got to the edit menu of any application (visible by the default on non-braindead UIs and the starting point for finding any command), then you will see the icons next to it telling you what the shortcut is. Now that it's discovered, it's consistent everywhere. Except in terminals if you're using control instead of command, because terminals need control-c for interrupt and so break the good UI, but on a Mac it's the same in every single application including the terminal.

    In contrast, most of the Windows-key-plus-modifier combinations can only be discovered by reading the documentation. There's nothing that a user is encouraged by the UI to click on that tells them about what these modifiers are (though I vaguely remember that Windows 98 had a 'show desktop' icon in the start bar that told you about windows-d in the tooltip).

    Intuitive implies that you are meant to use your psychic powers or some innate knowledge to find how the UI works. Good UIs do not work that way, they make it easy for people to learn and then they allow the user to apply the knowledge everywhere. If someone complains about a UI not being intuitive, then it's a good hint that they don't know anything about HCI.

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