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New Video Shows Shot Down Drone Hovered For Only 22 Seconds

AmiMoJo writes: The saga of the drone shot down in Kentucky got a little bit longer today. A new video from the drone shot down by William Merideth shows that it only hovered over his property for 22 seconds, and was not "peeping". The video shows the drone hovering at altitude and surveying the area before falling out of the sky. Although the video jumps around a little, the drone's owner claims that it was not edited. The shooter says he did not know if the drone was being operated by a paedophile, criminal or ISIS terrorist before he opened fire.

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  1. Deliverance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The shooter says he did not know if the drone was being operated by a paedophile, criminal or ISIS terrorist before he opened fire.

    While Dueling Banjos was playing in the background?

    1. Re:Deliverance? by infolation · · Score: 5, Funny

      The shooter says he did not know if the drone was being operated by a paedophile, criminal or ISIS terrorist before he opened fire.

      Why is this an either/or situation? Has the shooter never heard of the legendary Criminally Paedophilic ISIS Terrorist?

    2. Re:Deliverance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is this an either/or situation? Has the shooter never heard of the legendary Criminally Paedophilic ISIS Terrorist?

      You think you're being funny, but there are actually a lot of those.

    3. Re:Deliverance? by countach74 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If this is all information the drone owner has to go with, I want to know how he figured out who shot the drone down? It appeared to be in range of any number of homes. Something doesn't smell right about this.

    4. Re:Deliverance? by arkane1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does that have to do with anything? It's still shooting at something that's not causing any problems in spite of speculation. I don't go around smacking cell phones out of peoples hands because I think they're taking pictures of me. It's about the same thing.

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  2. Only? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    22 seconds is quite a long time to hover over private property. It is legal to shoot firearms in my neighborhood - I would have shot it down too.

    1. Re:Only? by bondsbw · · Score: 5, Informative

      And, this wasn't the first flight in the area that is within view of the property. FTA:

      During its first flight, the Phantom apparently gave an error message and could not fly past this road without a setting change. So, Boggs brought it home, fixed the settings and swapped its battery—giving time for Merideth to go inside, retrieve his shotgun and wait for the drone to return.

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    2. Re:Only? by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      22 seconds is quite a long time to hover over private property. It is legal to shoot firearms in my neighborhood - I would have shot it down too.

      That is a long time. It certainly is not just a fly over. If I am in my yard and a drone comes and hovers with a camera on me for 20 seconds, I would not be happy.

    3. Re:Only? by nofx911 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am really curious as to what the error message was and why it would not let him fly further without a settings change. I am guessing it was probably something about when flying in an extended range be sure to respect the privacy of others and local laws. At least if it is like other software warnings.

    4. Re:Only? by PIBM · · Score: 5, Informative

      First flight mode, 100 feet restriction. Happens every time you update your firmware or you use a new device.

    5. Re:Only? by mcl630 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if someone is fiddling with their smartphone for more than 20 seconds, do you shoot them? They could be filming you after all.

    6. Re:Only? by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if someone is fiddling with their smartphone for more than 20 seconds, do you shoot them? They could be filming you after all.

      ask some of the early adopters of google glass.

    7. Re:Only? by Dashiva+Dan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if it is 60m/200ft above you where it would need expensive optics to make you look like more than a blob three pixels high?

      I'm all for privacy when a drone is right in your back yard or outside your window, but realistically there are a lot of aircraft going overhead, right up to satellites with cameras on LEO. Also, drones sometimes stop to get bearings and decide on the next move. I think you need to give them the benefit of the doubt when they are 60m up, or document the incident and see what it does before opening fire.

      Seriously?

      You seriously think that it's unlikely for a drone to be able to take a decent quality photo from 200 feet away?

      No, I can't even begin to put together a reply to this level of ignorance.

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  3. Yeah 22 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    22 seconds? So the shooter was already outside in his own backyard with an appropriately loaded shotgun* just waiting for any old drone he had never seen to come by at random??

    More likely scenario: Sure, on the FINAL FLIGHT over this guy's house the drone operator got 22 seconds. It was the repeated previous flights that almost certainly had to have happened that the drone operators don't want to talk about because it doesn't make them look good.

    * For the ignorati, no self-respecting pro-gun redneck would keep a shotgun for personal protection loaded with #8 or #9 bird shot. If he was so wanting to shoot people as he is made out to be, there would be buckshot or even slugs in that shotgun. Hence, he was able to unload & reload in that 22 seconds... apparently.

    1. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, this is a very likely scenario.

      I live in a rural area... most folks out here, even the tinfoil crowd, don't walk around with a loaded shotgun everywhere ready to fire on whatever angers them. I'm very willing to wager that the drone operator had done his flights over that property numerous times before - enough to get the property owner to keep a shotgun handy just in case.

      (...and while the property owner very poorly articulated his case judging by the summary, I would have zero problems with taking the thing down, then explaining quite clearly that the little $@#! had been flying that thing over my property repeatedly in spite of warnings, and doing so without permission or even notice.)

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    2. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      obviously you have no clue about the rest of the story.

      his daughters saw it flying around the neighborhood, he went and grabbed his gun and WAITED for it to be above his property. and yeah it was above his property for 22 seconds. it was flying for a while before that... your vision isn't limited by your property lines, and it only hovered above his property for 22 seconds but was flying for a while before that. This guy is obviously paranoid... and took a shoot first ask questions later perspective. i'm sure his neighbors appreciate him shooting into the sky at anything that doesn't look normal. I wonder if he'd shoot a humming bird because it hovers for 20 seconds? I wonder what would happen to the stray bird shot that hit the neighbors house. will he pay for any damages or injuries caused by that?

      It could be an ISIS humming bird you know..

    3. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      * For the ignorati, no self-respecting pro-gun redneck would keep a shotgun for personal protection loaded with #8 or #9 bird shot. If he was so wanting to shoot people as he is made out to be, there would be buckshot or even slugs in that shotgun. Hence, he was able to unload & reload in that 22 seconds... apparently.

      Not necessarily true. For the discriminating pro-gun redneck, birdshot is a excellent choice. It's likely lethal at close range - where you need it to be - you just can't trust any old pizza delivery guy these days. At longer range it sends a clear signal - don't fuck with me, I'm crazy. Your typical terrorist/pedophile is going to go home and have a couple of unpleasant hours pulling those little pellets out of his ass. And no pesky murder charges.

      And it seems to be just the ticket for the new threat on the block - quadcopters.

      Add some camo and the drone operator will never see you. No, this guy was perfectly attuned to the current threat matrix.

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    4. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wouldn't call him paranoid, the dude just likes shooting at stuff and saw an opportunity.

      Just because you are crazy it doesn't mean that you are paranoid.

    5. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      John Candy: It's a BB gun.

      Chevy Chase: Don't try me. I could put an eye out with this thing.

      John Candy: You couldn't even break the skin with that thing.

      Chevy Chase: Oh, I could. I could. I could break the skin, put a little lodge under the skin, and cause a very bad infection

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    6. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      no self-respecting pro-gun redneck would keep a shotgun

      As a self respecting pro-gun redneck, I don't understand the concept of only posessing one shotgun.

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    7. Re:Yeah 22 seconds? by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This guy [...] took a shoot first ask questions later perspective. i'm sure his neighbors appreciate him shooting into the sky at anything that doesn't look normal. I wonder if he'd shoot a humming bird because it hovers for 20 seconds?

      Please enlighten us how you're supposed to ask questions first of a remote-controlled device.

      I wonder what would happen to the stray bird shot that hit the neighbors house. will he pay for any damages or injuries caused by that?

      That's actually part of the advantage to bird shot, it is slowed down by the drag caused by atmosphere, to the point that the terminal velocity of birdshot is probably low enough to not even leave a mark.

      I do not advocate shooting into the air in populated areas, but bird shot is probably the safest conventional round that one could fire into the air.

      I wonder if a rock-salt load would be enough to take down an RC aircraft?

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    8. Re: Yeah 22 seconds? by mcl630 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except this drone was neither violating the law nor common sense.

  4. Two out of three ain't bad... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    The shooter says he did not know if the drone was being operated by a paedophile, criminal or ISIS terrorist before he opened fire.

    Okay. This was in Kentucky, so I can imagine 2 out of those 3 as possibilities.

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  5. Hovered over property for only 22 seconds .. by nickweller · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So what, nobody should have the right to fly a spying machine over your house.

  6. Re:Why are people going to jail for this? by Scutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    He was arrested for first degree criminal mischief and first degree wanton endangerment. Probably for using a firearm to vandalize private property. When you vandalize someone's stuff, you don't just get to reimburse them and everyone walks away. There are almost always criminal charges involved.

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  7. Re:One Mississippi by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Drone operators view spying on other people as a civil liberty, and if you complain, you're some sort of evil bastard.

    Go read some drone forums. You'll see every manner of justification for being a perverted peeping Tom.

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  8. Re:Why are people going to jail for this? by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The criminal endangerment is most likely for discharging a firearm within city limits. These statues make no exceptions for firing upward with birdshot, they draw a line and say you can't fire a weapon in city unless you are at an approved firing range. It wouldn't have mattered if he was trying to shoot crows or rats, they still would have charged him. It's in everyone's interest to prevent the firing of guns in cities.

    He'll be sued for reimbursement within small claims court. Given that his gunfire was illegal to begin with the drone owner will likely win.

  9. find a park. by geoskd · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are plenty of open spaces where a hobbyist can go to fly their drone without bothering people. Pick any county in the country and do some quick searching and you will find an amateur RC plane group that will hold regular meetings and events. Some areas even have a field designated for amateur flights so that no one interferes with regular flight patterns if they happen to stray above 500 ft.

    End of the day, you wouldn't send an RC car out into public places with a video camera attached and expect it to come back unmolested, why would you think a drone is any safer?

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  10. Re:Didn't the drone owner say..... by bughunter · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone who delivers video systems and RF downlinks for drones and helicopters I see four kinds of artifacts in that video:

    1) Yes, rolling shutter artifacts appear to be there, but they're very minor (i.e. distortion in the young man's face in the lower left of the first few frames). It appears that the camera is mounted on a gyro stabilized platform. Overall, I suspect that this may even be a full-frame chip, and what appear to be rolling shutter artifacts are actually due to the high compression. Rolling shutter artifacts are very, very annoying and not tolerated well by most users so rolling shutter video chips are going out of style.

    2) Lost/corrupted packets. I'm guessing that this is a VOIP system using UDP packets, and you can see some glitches in rows of pixels, like at 0:13 above the horizon to the left. These are often accompanied by 3) and seem to be a predecessor of 4).

    3) Compression artifacts. This is probably MPEG-4 of some kind, and you can see the bit rate is rather low because of the blockiness and persistence of bad blocks caused by lost/corrupted packets. The bit rate is low most likely because the RF link won't support a higher one...

    4) Lost Link artifacts. These are the most obvious ones, and run from brief ones less than a frame long, which produce the top-down partial-screen "wipes" to ones that last several frames or even several seconds, which look like full-frame "wipe" edits. These are almost certainly caused by loss of radio link from the drone to the ground. The recording software isn't substituting blank pixels or frames, it's just picking up where it left off when it gets the video stream back. Aesthetically, it's probably the best way to go, but if you're collecting something you expect may need to be forensic evidence, it does inconveniently make the video look like it's been edited.

    If I were called in to testify on this video clip, I'd say my opinion is that the wipes are caused solely by loss of link, but the video could have purposefully been edited to appear that way.

    As for why it jumps so much? His RF Link sucks. Either he's not orienting his antennas correctly (calibrate your magnetometers if you're using gimbaled antennas! Your fixed omnis should stay vertical!) or he's using very high gain omnis at too short a range, or both. Higher gain omnis have deeper nulls at zenith and nadir. (It may seem tempting to the layman, but you don't point your ground station omni at the aircraft - if you're gonna actively aim the antenna, then it should stay perpendicular to your drone.) Finally, he's probably operating in the 2.5GHz ISM band, which in a suburban area like that is probably quite noisy with WiFi and microwave oven interference. Switch to a 5GHz system, it may still be noisy, but at least you don't have all that energy from a magnetron in every home and business spewing radiation intended for hot pockets, leftover mac and cheese, and that fish somebody brings every day for lunch.

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  11. Re:IT WAS CRIMINAL by nofx911 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, that is not actually correct -
    "In that case the court held that a plane flying just 83 feet in the air—the commotion was literally scaring the plaintiff’s chickens to death—represented an invasion of property. The justices declined to precisely define the height at which ownership rights end. Today, the federal government considers the area above 500 feet to be navigable airspace in uncongested areas. While the Supreme Court hasn’t explicitly accepted that as the upper limit of property ownership, it’s a useful guideline in trespass cases. Therefore, unless you own some very tall buildings, your private airspace probably ends somewhere between 80 and 500 feet above the ground."

    Source:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/...

    Dummies Article on the Topic:
    http://www.dummies.com/how-to/...

    Google Search With Many Articles:
    https://www.google.com/search?...

    What does all of this say - the Supreme Court has ruled you own at least 83 feet above your property. So no, all airspace is definitely not public. Hopefully this will lead towards a new ruling which will legal define how much airspace you own; opposed to it being left in a legal grey area for heights between 83 feet and 500 feet.

  12. Oh boy, almost all strawmen combined by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The shooter says he did not know if the drone was being operated by a pedophile, criminal or ISIS terrorist before he opened fire."

    So drug dealer was too outlandish a claim? For fuck's sake, of all the possible boogeymen, a friggin' ISIS TERRORIST??? If this bullshit argument gets to stand, I don't even want to know just how fucked up this country and its inhabitants is.

    (for those that don't understand what I am referring to, you might want to read up on the Four horsemen of the infocalypse. Yes, this is not "on the internet", but he really nearly assembled all the straw men used there. Only the drug lord is missing)

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  13. Re:Criminally Paedophilic ISIS Terrorist by mrsquid0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, it's the Lord's Resistance Army (a Christian terrorist group) that currently holds the title for kidnapping and raping pre-teen and young teens in Africa. Boo Haram is just a wannabe in comparison.

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