Clinton Surrendering Email Server/Data To Feds After Top Secret Mail Found

An anonymous reader writes: Hillary Clinton's lawyer has surrendered three thumb drives with copies of emails from her server to the Justice Department, which is also where the controversial Clinton personal email server is destined as well. The FBI determined that Clinton's lawyer could no longer retain the thumb drives after two emails from a small sample were found to contain information classified as "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information," which would also taint the server. There is no evidence that encryption was used to protect the emails. From the limited reviews to date, Secretary Clinton and her aides exchanged emails containing classified information with at least six people with private email addresses. So far four of Clinton's top aides have turned over emails to the State Department, and there are demands that six more do so. The State Department's inspector general has stated that his office is reviewing "the use of personal communications hardware and software by five secretaries of state and their immediate staffs." Current U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has stated, "it is very likely" that China and Russia are reading his emails.

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What a clusterfuck

[Anonymous Coward]

The Republican presidential lineup this year has been a source of near endless amusement, but they have NOTHING on the Dems throwing their weight behind Hillary. She should be whiling away her time behind bars, not running for POTUS. What a fucking mess.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Anonymous Coward]

Idiot. The emails were "unmarked." That means not stamped with a classification. More, they reached her on an unclassified network. Clinton had every reason to believe they contained no classified information. Indeed, the claim that they do contain classified information remains unsubstantiated.

WHY THE FUCK WAS SHE CONDUCTING OFFICIAL STATE DEPARTMENT BUSINESS ON A PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Runaway1956]

Doesn't much matter. The bitch was inept at her supposed job, and she thought that everything she did was to be arranged for her fucking CONVENIENCE.

And, people actually want to make EXCUSES for her?

Worse - some people want her to be PRESIDENT?!?!?!?!

I'll waste a little more bandwidth, and ask, name three things that Hillary has ever done. Just three accomplishments. You can't name three. You'll have to stretch hard to even try it.

The woman has been rich all her life, she has never had to do a damned thing that wasn't fun, thrilling, or somehow appealing to her. She's never worked a day in her life. The one more-or-less honest job she ever had, she was fired from. (Watergate, in case you don't remembers.)

But, go ahead, make excuses for her.

You can visit any diner in America, and find one or more women who are more qualified to be president than skanky-ass Hillary. If you INSIST that we need a female president, please, start visiting diners.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Runaway1956]

That is, indeed, the question. Basically, she ignored all the rules, because a Clinton is above the rules.

Seems that Teflon Bill has a better coat of Teflon than Hillary has. Some of that shit is finally beginning to stick to her.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[MikeMo]

First she claimed she did no official business on that server, then claimed it was only for convenience, then claimed there was no classified emails on it, then claimed it had all been erased. Turns out none of that was true. Massively lying, she had to know she was going to get caught.

This implies there is something there she is desparate to hide. If she is not hiding something, why all the lies?

Even if there is nothing there except highly classified material, then she has broken the law and lied about it repeatedly. Does that make her a qualified Presidential candidate, or a criminal?

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Anonymous Coward]

This has got to be the most stupid fucking response I have ever seen regarding this whole email thing.

So she avoided official servers because they are subject to FOIA requests and Congressional Subpoenas. That's exactly what you dumb shits have been saying is NOT the case.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[sycodon]

And still legions will support her because she promises to keep the Federal spigot on full.

Re: What a clusterfuck

[Anonymous Coward]

She didn't want to carry around a second device because it's just so inconvenient. Literally her excuse. Just pathetic.

If people would think about this for 2 seconds, she should be laughed out of the race. It is easier to set up your own exchange email server than set up two email addresses on their phone?? Really?

Re:What a clusterfuck

[bondsbw]

If I don't have clearance, if I don't have any reasonable access to classified/secret documents, if I don't have any reason to suspect that the document I am in possession of is classified/secret, and if there is no reasonable suspicion that I have illegally attempted to obtain such documents, then there is little reason to go after me.

Clinton had clearance, access to classified/secret documents, and promoted the use of her personal server for storing those items instead of one that was provided for the purpose of handling secure information. Plus, there is suspicion that she did this in order to hide political information for a future run for office.

Big difference.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Jhon]

That's not true. Legions will support her because she has a "D" after her name. Seriously, a hen could be running and get 30% of the vote if it had a "D" after it's name. Same is true for the republicans and an "R" after there name.

The problem is we are voting for PARTY above the PERSON. Biggest flipping mistake a human can make in selecting leaders.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Anonymous Coward]

And legions will support Bush as the Republican nominee because he also promises to keep the Federal spigot on full. There will never be a candidate elected that wants to halt or even reverse the growth of government. Everybody wants the spigot on. Welfare, including social security, food stamps and corporate welfare are about all that people care about. The only real difference between the Ds and Rs is that the Ds want to grow the government using the excuse of social welfare and the Rs want to grow the government using the excuse of protecting us from the boogey man! Most people are just sheep that want free shit.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Archangel Michael]

She stayed married to Bill. But then again, I'm pretty sure that is how she got her position as Senator and then Secretary of State.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Archangel Michael]

Unlike you or me, Sec of State has a DUTY (briefed by the FBI) to keep national secrets safe. Ignorance is not an excuse, and trying to invoke it here is pretty short sighted. But let me just give you a bit of advice, next time a (R) gets caught, and says "I didn't know", you need to go full on defensive for them. Otherwise, you're just a partisan hack.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[JackieBrown]

She told those lies so that by the time the real story came out, her followers would already be deep in the belief that this is all a Republican conspiracy. There is also a large portion that will be bored by the story by the time the truth comes out and wonder why we haven't moved past this. Attention spans run quite brief nowadays.

Re: What a clusterfuck

[SecurityGuy]

If carrying 2 phones to support national security is too much work, being president really isn't for you.

Re:What a clusterfuck

[NostalgiaForInfinity]

Hillary isn't ignorant, she knows exactly what she is doing. Hillary is calculating, corrupt, and evil.

Re: What a clusterfuck

[danlip]

Especially when you have a team of assistants following you around carrying all your stuff for you anyway.

Re: What a clusterfuck

[Feyshtey]

If it would have been ignored and we passed by it, then there would have been ANOTHER disservice to the American people. Any other non-politician/celebrity that did what she has done, even if they came out immediately and apologized, we have faced a range of repercussions ranging from termination to imprisonment. Why should Hillary be treated differently than any other average American?

Re:What a clusterfuck

[Coren22]

But yet, the TEA party, which stands on the platform of shrinking the federal government is labeled as wackos by the media. It makes you wonder what they think will be the logical conclusion of a constantly growing federal government.

It's all a game to her

[Anonymous Coward]

People in those positions really do think they are above the law. Unbelievable that it took this long for something to happen. Unless this is some very complicated CIA/NSA red hering operation to give false intel to the enemy, she and everyone involved should be stripped of clearances and fired. That is EXACTLY what would happen to me and anyone else who tried this game.

I call bullshit

[dcooper_db9]

Those two emails were classified retroactively. This isn't a new story.

Re:I call bullshit

[dcooper_db9]

Do you think a case officer's notes of a meeting with an agent aren't classified just because the case officer doesn't carry around a big red "CLASSIFIED" stamp?

Actually yes. The case officer is responsible for classifying and labelling any document they write before it's distributed.

I would expect to be arrested if I did this

[Anonymous Coward]

Posting as AC for some degree of anonymity. Knowing what a clearance like a TS/SCI entails, her responding to, and handling classified mails, in her private mail system shows either a complete ignorance of what she took an oath to protect, or complete disregard for her oath. Either is just so troubling.

There "is" no classified material on her server.

[ScentCone]

She said so. Anybody saying anything differently is part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Unless they say "was," which is different than "is," the meaning of which depends on which Clinton you're talking to.

It's not even about the risky, lazy handling of her official government documents, or the years she waited before turning her cherry-picked selection (no official emails sent for two months while dealing with Libya, really?) from her collection over to State as she was required to - at the very latest - as she left her office. It's about how dumb she's trying to pretend everyone is, and how phony her attempt to dismiss this is - it's about as sincere as the on-demand phony southern accent (or her Urban Church-y dialect) she uses depending how how she assesses the audience she thinks she's talking to that moment. The condescension would be galling if it weren't so transparent and (you'd think!) embarrassing. But she's so impervious to embarrassment over hypocrisy or being caught lying that it really doesn't matter at this point - she's been working on not letting that bother her since before she started putting up with Bill's abuses in Arkansas.

I'm not sure what the DoJ thinks they're going to find on an Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind wiped server, though.Those drives are cleaner by now than the day they were manufactured.

I thought she said she destroyed it?

[Karmashock]

This is the IRS email thing all over again... "oh you can't have the email because I destroyed it"... *click* I will blow your fucking brains out if you don't hand it over... I am not fucking around. "Oh THAT email... why didn't you ask... it was right up my cunt... here you go."

Seriously... liar liar pants suit on fire.

Re:I thought she said she destroyed it?

[nine-times]

But that's OK - Hillary is a bona fide member of the protected spook/bankster class; she need not fear consequences, only maintain the charade well enough for the narrative to continue.

She doesn't even need to maintain the charade. She just has to stall long enough to employ the strategy that many politicians (including her husband) have used to great success in the past.

Step 1: Deny. "I didn't do it. I did nothing wrong."
Step 2: Stonewall. Delay. Wait.
Step 3: As evidence trickles out slowly, provide some kind of perfunctory defense. It doesn't have to be a strong defense, and actually shouldn't be a very good one. It should be just good enough that the people who want to support you can maintain their state of denial.
Step 4: When enough evidence, come clean, but underplay the importance. "Well yes, I did it, but so what? This is old news, and people have been after me for years about this stuff, and nobody cared. Sure, I said I didn't do it before, but all my lies and my attempts to defend myself were so stupid, you must have known I was lying, and you didn't care. If you didn't care then, why would you care now?"

Somehow we're all so stupid that we fall for this kind of thing all the time.

Security Clearance Revocation

[captain_nifty]

Any normal person would have their security clearance revoked after a breech of much lesser magnitude, which interestingly makes you unable to perform a job that requires handling classified material, it's one of the few ways to actually get fired from a government job.

Just another facet of our societies aristocracy, they are above the rules. (note this has nothing to do with party, both side get far too many free passes)

For Unclassified is Fed IT diff from Corp IT?

[HockeyPuck]

I'm not a Federal employee and I work in "Corporate America" and I know that if I told people to not use my bob@corporateemail.com but instead send it to bob@gmail.com or bob@myprivateserver.com, I would be terminated pretty fast. Regardless if the content I was reading was marked as public, classified or highly classified. Even when we have new employees who do not yet have a corp ID/email address yet and want to use their own laptop for the first week, we cannot send them email to their personal accounts.

How did she get away with this basic violation regardless if there are classified or non-classified emails.

How did she get people to send email to her personal server? Did she just set up her federal account to forward it to her automatically or did she start also telling people (lots of people), "Please send it to hillary@clintonemail.com?

Re:Alternative to Clinton?

[MachineShedFred]

Trump's popularity is a mile wide and an inch deep - it's all name recognition. Once people start to hear some of the other candidates, you're going to see that lead erode, and fast.

Re:Party loyalty is a huge problem ...

[l0n3s0m3phr34k]

This is really why the GOP is pissed at Trump. He's supposed to pay for someone else to run as President, not actually use his own money and do it himself.

Re: classification markings

[amiga3D]

She's not anyone else. She's Hillary. Laws are for little people.