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Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industry?

HughPickens.com writes: Michael Rosenwald writes at the Columbia Journalism Review that global online ad revenue continues to rise, reaching nearly $180 billion last year. But analysts say the rise of ad blocking threatens the entire industry—the free sites that rely exclusively on ads, as well as the paywalled outlets that rely on ads to compensate for the vast majority of internet users who refuse to pay for news. A new report from Adobe and one of several startups helping publishers fight ad blocking shows that 198 million people globally are now blocking ads, up 41 percent from 2014. In the US, ad blocking grew 48 percent from last year, to 45 million users. "Taken together, ad blockers are hitting publishers in their digital guts," writes Rosenwald. "Adobe says that $21.8 billion in global ad revenue will be blocked this year."

Publishers have been banking on the growth of mobile, where the ad blocking plugins either don't work or are cumbersome to install. A Wells Fargo analyst wrote in a report on ad blocking that "the mobile migration should thwart some of the growth" of ad blockers. But Apple recently revealed that its new operating system scheduled for release this fall will allow ad blocking on Safari. Apple is trying to pull iPhone and iPad users off the web. It wants you to read, watch, search, and listen in its Apple-certified walled gardens known as apps. It makes apps, it approves apps, and it profits from apps. But, for its plan to work, the company will need those entertainers and publishers to funnel their content to where Apple wants it to be. As the company makes strategic moves to devalue the web in favor of apps, those content creators dependent on ads to stay afloat may be forced to play along with Apple. Adblock Plus has released a browser for mobile Android devices that blocks ads, and it's planning to release a similar product for Apple devices. "The desire to figure out how to bring ad blocking to mobile consumers is a worldwide phenomenon," says Roi Carthy Ad blocking, he says, "is an inalienable right."

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  1. Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One can only hope so.

  2. Hopefully, yes... by mjm1231 · · Score: 2

    You know what? The internet was better/more informative/easier to use/more interesting/etc. etc. etc. before all these pay by ad sites started springing up. If they all go away, I don't see the problem.

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    1. Re:Hopefully, yes... by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yup, the internet was paid for by paying for the internet itself; subscriptions to ISPs, building out infrastructure, etc. Today coporations want you to pay for the internet AND pay for the crappy content too, and they want to have you pay in order to receive the ads since they're not reimbursing you for all those unnecessary downloads. Even worse on a mobile phone as you can incur big penalties if you use more data than your plan allows, so the ads slow the network and drain your wallet.

      At which point someone on slashdot pops in and says "you're all a bunch of worthless freeloaders, if you want to look at my glorious blog about hamster farming then you have to look at these ads about Buicks so that I can buy a better microphone for my hamster podcast."

    2. Re:Hopefully, yes... by Pascoea · · Score: 2

      Yup, the internet was paid for by paying for the internet itself

      Yeah, the network is supposed to be paid for by your internet subscription. The "problem" is that the Internet isn't like a Cable subscription. Part of your Internet payment doesn't go to the content providers. Without content the Internet would be pretty useless, and you have to pay for the content somehow. Sorry, ads are a necessary thing.

      My problem with them is that they have become overly aggressive. Pop-ups, ads with sound, ads you can't close, paging through 12 pages to read on paragraph of text, etc. If they wouldn't have abused that, most people wouldn't have installed an ad blocker.

    3. Re:Hopefully, yes... by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      I have used the Composer component to create HTML that I have put on my web site.

      Takes a lot to be able to admit to something like that.

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    4. Re:Hopefully, yes... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      If the content providers don't care enough about their viewers to stop using aggressive advertisers and continue to use advertising networks instead of curating their own ads, then I don't care about those content providers. If they respect their viewers fairly and treat them as something other than revenue sources then their viewers will respect them in return.

      Right now there are so many abusive ad networks that it's impossible to separate the millions of bad actors from the two or three good guys. It's sad that a few content providers lose out but there's a war going on.

    5. Re:Hopefully, yes... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's more than that.

      Why the fuck should we accept being constantly tracked by dozens of analytic companies as a price of using the web?

      When there's 15 or 20 trackers in addition to ads in every page, the only reasonable response is to block the hell out of all of this crap.

      It's none of score card research's fucking business what sites I visit. Nor it it Facebook's business. Nor is it any of the dozens of other companies I've blocked with privacy extensions.

      This idea that self entitled corporations are entitled to all of this information about us is complete bullshit.

      In the real world it would be like a retailer implanting a tracking chip in you when you walked in the store.

      I don't care about anybody's damned analytics. And as much as I can, I'll block everything which isn't the content I'm there to see.

      The revenue model isn't my damned problem. My privacy is.

      And I'm not giving that away to some asshole marketer who wants to optimize his synergies.

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  3. Ad Blocking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I installed ad blocker this year, and its for mainly one reason: video ads. Since these have become popular, it eats up my bandwidth and starts playing ridiculously loud sound even when I don't click on it. If anyone is too blame for the rise of ad blocking technology its advertisers.

    1. Re:Ad Blocking by mlts · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Last time I used a VM without ad-blocking, it seemed almost every page I visited had ads that started talking or playing music. About ten minutes into browsing on a popular social network site, the VM got nailed by scareware, apparently through a hole in a browser add-on.

      The real life example is people offering you newspapers for free if you open the door and listen to a sales pitch... but then some newspaper companies started having a percentage of their salesperson hold the people at gunpoint and do a home invasion, so the smarter people just don't open the door.

    2. Re:Ad Blocking by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "If you keep putting up your No Solicitors sign then you will hurt the door-to-door shake-down industry. We need your dollars because we we like money, so won't you please take down your No Solicitors sign before we resort to harsher measures?"

  4. Its not ajust a right, its a security issue,. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ad networks profligate malware, as a result an ad blocking isn't just to block an annoyance, its to protect myself from a drive by download of a flash powered/explioted malware that takes over my system and ransoms it back to me. Ad blockers are the new anti-virus.

  5. Meh. Fuck em by bazmail · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The ad industry is killing the ad industry. When I reinstall my OS and start a browser before installing an ad blocker the web looks and sounds like complete shit.

    auto start video ads and popup ads that popup about on web pages 30 seconds after you start reading an article are my 2 least favorite ad types.
    Fuck em

    1. Re:Meh. Fuck em by vivaoporto · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yes. Here is the angle this article is trying to spin:

      Apple is trying to pull iPhone and iPad users off the web. It wants you to read, watch, search, and listen in its Apple-certified walled gardens known as apps. It makes apps, it approves apps, and it profits from apps. But, for its plan to work, the company will need those entertainers and publishers to funnel their content to where Apple wants it to be. As the company makes strategic moves to devalue the web in favor of apps, those content creators dependent on ads to stay afloat may be forced to play along with Apple.

      That's one way to look at it. Here is another perspective:

      The absence didn't last long. In two previous Monday Notes (News Sites Are Fatter and Slower Than Ever and 20 Home Pages, 500 Trackers Loaded: Media Succumbs to Monitoring Frenzy), my compadre Frederic Filloux cast a harsh light on bloated, prying pages. Web publishers insert gratuitous chunks of code that let advertisers vend their wares and track our every move, code that causes pages to stutter, juggle, and reload for no discernible reason. Even after the page has settled into seeming quiescence, it may keep loading unseen content in the background for minutes on end.

    2. Re:Meh. Fuck em by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      auto start video ads and popup ads that popup about on web pages 30 seconds after you start reading an article are my 2 least favorite ad types.

      One recent experience. Open up a review site. Like 15 seconds in, it pops up a center ad: "Do you like this article? Recommend it on XYZ*!!!" Dude, I might read fast, but I haven't even seen a complete paragraph!

      One site asked for me to review something. I gave it 1 star for the popup.

      *Facebook/twitter/yadayadayada

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    3. Re:Meh. Fuck em by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Informative

      I look over coworkers shoulders sometimes when we're working on something, and I'm always surprised to see so many ads. Ie, someone has the same email provider I do from our ISP and it's chock full of ads I never see. From an ISP service we *PAY* for. That's ridiculous; I'm paying $50/month so why should they be subsidizing themselves with ridiculous randomized ads?

    4. Re:Meh. Fuck em by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have ghostery on my browser. it shows for each web page how many trackers are being blocked. I've seen many sites with 12+ different trackers.

  6. I don't mind ads, but... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being a slashdotter in good standing, I have the option to turn off ads here, but I don't, because I find Slashdot's ads harmless and unobtrusive. But lordy, some sites I go to they're insane, causing the page to constantly reload, while my CPU and hard drive churn away full-bore. How can they expect people won't want to block ads like that? Seems like it's grown worse in the last few months, these stupid advertisers are driving me to block their ads.

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    1. Re:I don't mind ads, but... by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed, my response to their begging me to disable my ad-blocker for their site is that I DO have ad-blocks 'non-intrusive ad whitelist' enabled, they can serve me ads so long as they meet those standards.

      Oh, they're not as 'effective'? They're more effective than ads that drive me to block them!

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    2. Re:I don't mind ads, but... by houghi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I DO mind ads. Noifs and buts. I understand why they exist, yet I do not want to see them. A bit like syphilis. So I try to avoid them as much as possible with any means possible.

      I did not ask for them. I do not like them. I do not want them.

      I do not want the video ads. I do not want the GIF ads. I do not want the static ads. I do not want the text ads. And as always here a quote from Banksy who says it way much better than I can:

              People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply youâ(TM)re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you.

              You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity.

              Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. Itâ(TM)s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head.

              You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially donâ(TM)t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, donâ(TM)t even start asking for theirs.

              â" Banksy

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  7. Betteridge says "No"... by Zocalo · · Score: 2

    Betteridge says "No", but we can always hope that this one will be the exception that proves the rule. :)

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  8. Ad blockers aren't; ads are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When ads stop playing sound, hijacking the page, redirecting me to app stores, acting as hovertraps ("Oh! You briefly moused over our ad! Let's take up the whole screen and play loud sounds!"), eating all my computer's resources, and distributing malware - then, and only then, I'll look into not using adblockers.
    Web-ad-serving companies complaining about ad blockers are like grade-school bullies, crying to the teacher about "So-and-so punched me back!" They keep escalating their 'services', and are acting surprised that people aren't just taking it.

    1. Re:Ad blockers aren't; ads are. by mlts · · Score: 2

      The ironic thing is that Google has done extremely well with their quiet text ads. Apple has done well with their relatively unobtrusive iAd platform.

      The problem is that nobody cares to fix this problem:

      The ad slingers can play three-monkeys when bad guys use their networks for malvertising, then they whine when people block their stuff. They have zero accountability. If, instead of malware, it was infringing IP, said ad servers would be out of business immediately.

      It is easy to blame the "evil adblockers", and try to start countering it. Newsweek uses scripts so it doesn't display if it detects AdBlock for example.

      I'm not going to be surprised to see an arms race between people wanting to keep their networks clean, versus advertisers who want to be ever more intrusive.

      The advertisers are winning on one front -- they can find you... I have yet to see a Web browser that doesn't score "unique" on EFF's Panopticlick and have decent functionality, so I have to filter sites by IP and hostname, so the nasty behavioral tracking sites can't get in contact to the browser in the first place... and when they do, the browser is sandboxed, in a VM, or both to minimize potential damage.

    2. Re:Ad blockers aren't; ads are. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I have no problem if sites block me from viewing them when they detect adblock. It's only fair. If they depend upon ads to make a living then I can go elsewhere. I'd much prefer this model in fact as I can more easily avoid any site that treats me as a wallet with eyeballs.

  9. Re:It's arms race by Aaden42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Current blockers are only partially domain based, though that's the larger part. AdBlock & friends can also block based on HTML DOM ID's, classes, paths, etc.

    Even if the ads are served by proxy through the origin site's domain, they're going to be in a defined place in the layout. AdBlock can block things like:
    div[id='ad']
    div/span[class='whatever']/p/img

    I haven't found an ad yet that isn't susceptible to being blocked via DOM attributes.

    Next step would probably be to dynamically perturb the classes & ID's returned in the page, but then the blockers parse the returned HTML, deobfuscating it in such a way as to give you consistent tokenized identifiers which are then blocked.

    Arms race yes, but already predictable domains aren't a requirement for effective blocking.

  10. The thing I don't understand with the ad business by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's extremely clear that most everybody hates ads with a passion - else why would so many people install ad blockers eh?

    So even if ad blockers were to disappear tomorrow, what makes advertisers feel that forcing ads down the throat of people who hate them increase sales for their customers?

    To me, it seems that either people hate ads, block them and won't buy the shit being advertised, or people hate ads, can't block them and won't buy the shit being advertised regardless.

    Worse, forcing people to see ads they don't want to see may very well antagonize them. Me, when I see an ad that gets through my ad blockers, I remember the product as something I'll make extra sure I'll never, ever buy.

    So what's the business model here? I can't believe enough people actually like ads to make online advertising a viable business proposition...

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  11. You've only got yourselves to blame by cyber-vandal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I made the mistake of opening a link to a games website in IE not long ago and ended up having to kill it because it brought the browser to its knees. I opened it in Chrome with Disconnect and click to play Flash and it loaded pretty much instantly. You made your bed and then shit in it as well. Don't complain about having to lie in it now.

  12. Dear media companies: by Yosho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please find a business model that does not involve annoying and exploiting the people who consume your media.

    Now, it's not my job to tell you what your business model should be. Sell merchandise, provide paid services, ask for donations, or whatever else you can think of.

    But if the basis of your business model is providing content for free to me while accepting money from people who solely want to annoy me or buy information about me, then I'm not going to allow that and you deserve to go out of business.

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  13. Re:It's arms race by sims+2 · · Score: 2

    Yeah have you seen yahoo news lately? its exactly like that.

    However more people comment on yahoo news than anywhere else i've found.

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  14. Re:The thing I don't understand with the ad busine by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're making one fundamental logical mistake.

    The advertising industry exists to sell ads. It does not exist to sell the things they're advertising.

    They don't care whether it works. They care that people pay them to push ads.

  15. Stop it, Ad blockers aren't evil. by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 2

    Ads are way more evil. Ads are irresponsible because they're not checked against viruses. Want a virus? Don't run an ad blocker.

    I think someday we'll look back today like we do to 1998 webpages. We'll go,"They really tried to slap you with an ad before you read some goon's pointless article that was hyped?" I don't think ads should or will go away, but I think they should be more responsible. Commit to who you want to advertise with, don't just run an adnetwork. Do you really want to put nefarious ads on things kids might be reading? Well you might be doing that if you run a generic adnetwork. Sadly I don't think people will become more responsible with advertisements. I see them becoming more obnoxious because they're greedy for the monies.

    Now this last thing is a pet random idea: Actually I think if you wanted to really get a huge ad based network, you should build a pyramid scheme where no one loses anything. Use the gameshow model so they're playing a game of any level of skill, but they share ad revenue with you. At the end of the month with a raffle where they get points by doing well in the game + 50% additional tickets from everyone they referred and 25% tickets from people they referred etc... People would get a portion of the ad revenue by playing the game. And they'd get additional tickets by just watching ads. Get people wanting to watch the ads for their own profit, and you have a gold mine. If I'm not getting anything for watching your ad, its just wasting my time at best. At worst, my computer is getting crypto locked with ransom ware.

    I run adblock. And yes, I'd download a car if I could.

  16. as soon as you start by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    displaying static, unobtrusive, low bandwidth unanimated ads that do not track us, are served from the same domain as the web page it's displayed on, are presented below the fold, are not misleading, link to unobfuscated urls vetted by trusted third-parties to be safe, and are constantly monitored malicious code, content or redirection.. maybe, just maybe, people will start putting up with online ads again... until then... enjoy my adblock and noscript with a half-dozen years of tuning to their blocklists and whitelists.

  17. So Be It by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "When in the course of human events...." ads become too onerous, rebellions break out. The "consumers" of news (as if news can be "used up" somehow) are rebelling against too many and too invasive ads.

    It was easier to find the information I wanted on the internet before the media companies filled all google's top spots with commercial products instead of the student/hobbyist stuff that was there before.

  18. A Simple Issue by cirby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A plain ad, with a link to someone's site? That's fine. I'll even read them as I scroll down the page, most times. If it's something I'm interested in, I'll even do a quick search for the product and look at the actual seller's page.

    A really, REALLY annoying ad, with autoplay video and sound, popping up and getting in the way of the actual content, and often becoming home to all sorts of security issues like viruses or rogue redirects to trash pages? That's not. That's why I use adblocking software.

    Here's a thought, advertisers:

    Try spending as much time on creative and entertaining ads as you do in trying to come up with new and more obnoxious pop-ups. That actually works.

    1. Re:A Simple Issue by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2

      Try spending as much time on creative and entertaining ads as you do in trying to come up with new and more obnoxious pop-ups.

      You know, there's an annual advertising gala disguised as a sports event, and a lot of people watch it for the commercials! It is possible to make people want to see your ads, but it takes more effort than bitching about the freeloaders who don't want to punch the monkey.

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  19. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by tehlinux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good riddance. The Internet is shit because of ad-sponsored content and SEO.

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  20. Interesting conflict by lq_x_pl · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is an arms race between ad networks and ad blockers. I don't think anyone would fault a site for trying to monetize its content (stuff consts money). Unfortunately, too many sites got lazy and handed over the handling of advertisements to these larger conglomerated ad networks. The ad networks got lazy about who they let advertise/what tech they allowed to be used in advertisements, and now internet ads are yet another vector for the spread of malware.

    This is not ok.

    I'm willing to chalk up my annoyance with loud flashing pseudo-videos to personal preference, but it seems like everyone else who consumes internet content is also irritated by these things.

    Until the ad networks can guarantee (which they can't, now) that they won't deposit malware on my parents' computers, I will evangelize the use of adblockers until I die. Another option, as others have already mentioned, is to bring control of ad content back to the sites' actual owners.

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    1. Re:Interesting conflict by lq_x_pl · · Score: 2

      That is a difficult egg to crack. It may mean the end of turn-key ready-to-roll websites - but if the 'digital media industry' is genuinely worried about extinction, they should already be looking at ways to make their ads safe and palatable, rather than continuing the ads-arms-race.

      I take a lot of comfort knowing that I'm not uniquely intelligent - and honestly, some of the work-arounds advertisers have come up with for getting around ad blockers are pretty clever. Restructuring how a business works isn't the same thing as inserting an ad, but there are plenty of very intelligent people already involved in the industry. I would like to see the 'worried about extinction' folks make some proposals about alternate ways of doing business. Up until this article, most of the ad-blocker news coverage has gone just short of callling ad-blocker users baby-killers.

      From time to time, I'll fire up a vanilla web browsers in a VM to see what an unprotected browsing experience is like, hoping to see things calming down (I want companies to be able to monetize their websites! I didn't even opt-out of Slashdot's ads until they started yelling at me), but each foray sans adblocker is more miserable than the last. I would think that an organization would strive to avoid associating their product with misery, but this is exactly the opposite of what the ad industry has done to the web.

      Finding a way to get ads in the hands of small website owners is a difficult task. Even more difficult will be convincing content consumers that the ads are safe and unobtrusive again.

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    2. Re:Interesting conflict by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      As soon as you start running somebody elses you're their whore.

      Yes. I've seen a number of sites I read regularly, or forums I post to, suddenly cull certain topics because Google or some other ad service tells them those topics are no longer acceptable on their site.

  21. Ads = virus attack vector by mileshigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I could live with ads if they were just annoying, but ad blocking is just commonsense self-defense. Browsing just one site exposes you ads from potentially hundreds of sources, each of which potentially carries as much or more risk of attack as the site you're browsing! It just doesn't make sense to voluntarily expose yourself to that magnitude of increased risk.

    Seems like a week doesn't go by without seeing a zero-day advisory along the lines of "observed in the wild being served from XYZ ad network." A lot of attackers no longer bother compromising servers, etc when they can just spend a few $ to almost instantly serve up the targets.

    First order of business for advertising networks: fix the security, bandwidth and response times issues. Until then, I won't feel any guilt whatsoever about protecting myself from you.

  22. There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have no problem with ad on the margins of the page. Slashdot has three up right now and they don't block my view of the content, they aren't playing music or videos (chewing up my bandwidth), and nothing opened a popup. Those are Ads in the tradition of a news paper.

    The Fucking Ads are the opposite. They block the content, force you to find that little X in some corner...if they didn't put a fake one in that's just a link to another page. Fucking Ads seem to be loaded first. So if some Ad service has shit slow servers, it takes forever for a simple Text article to appear. Fucking Ads also hijack random clicks. Ever click on a page to be sure the scroll is focused on the page and not something else so you can use the scroll wheel...and here comes a popup.

    Fucking Ads are also dangerous. To get rid of them you have to interact with them. Who knows what the fuck will happen when you click that close button?

    So if they just stick to what they've been doing for the last 200 years, we're fine.

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    1. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Noah+Haders · · Score: 5, Informative

      a lot of page loads are slowed by ads because the ads are bid and filled in real time. You click on a link, your deets are passed thru to the ad server (IP, operating system, mobile or desktop, etc, whatever the browser sends), ad server auctions off your eyeballs. The auction window is left open as long as people can stand it in order to maximize bids.

    2. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fucking Ads pop up over my content and, on my tablet, display a close button just off screen, so I can go no further.

    3. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I don't want to see them in the margins either - that is MY bandwidth that is being stolen. If they refuse to show the content if I don't view the ads, then that is ok with me and it is easy enough to do. But to passively suck up my bandwidth is unacceptable, no matter how desparate the site owners are to make a few bucks so that they can quit their day job.

    4. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "disable advertising" checkbox has never made much sense. If you're reading Slashdot, you ought to be using an adblocker anyway

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    5. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by mattventura · · Score: 2

      I'd like to make a similar point: I have no issue with an ad blocker that an individual user installs and configures. However, I do think that mass ad blocking (on a company, ISP, or OS level or some other way of spreading adblocking en-masse) actually will have dire consequences. Individual ad blocking would be like one person carrying an umbrella to stay dry. Mass ad blocking would be like constructing a dome over the entire city with no regards to the ecosystem. Up until recently, adblocking was used mainly by people who weren't going to be swayed by crappy online advertising to begin with, but now it's starting to go beyond that and will seriously hurt many websites that rely on ad revenue (even the ones with non-invasive ads). Not to mention the whole thing will just degenerate into an arms race between advertisers+webmasters versus adblocker devs.

    6. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. When I visit sites on the internet, I don't expect to see ads. That is the default state of the internet. It wasn't until little sleazeballs like you jumped into our world and started filling it with ads. Fuck you, go back to where you came from and get the fuck off of my internet.

    7. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That said, I hope models like Patreon catch on enough to provide an alternative that is better for everyone, supporting artists directly and eliminating the need for ads and all the issues that come with them.

      I hope cable TV catches on, because subscriptions will eliminate the need for ads and all the issues that come with them.

      Oh, sorry, the adholes just pushed their crap onto cable subscribers, too, until it became as bad as over-the-air TV but you had to pay for it, too.

    8. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true. If the creator of the web site does not want to me watch with adblock on then they can say so and I will never go back to their site. I don't need to see them, they are not vital to my life. But their third party advertising partner is slowing down my internet and slowing down my computer if I turn off adblock. The content creator needs to find a better way to make a living than to associate with scum advertisers.

      Who are these content creators? Why is AT&T showing me ads when I use AT&T's web mail when I pay then $50 a month? Why would you defend such actions? Are the bloggers? Screw them, they should get a job instead of relying on me; and I don't read blogs anyway.

      I am not using adblock because I want to be a freeloader. I am using adblock because ads are actively hostile to me and my computer, they introduce malware and slow down my computer. Too many ads on TV and I cut the cord; no ads, less cost, more actual paid content.

    9. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I didn't block them for the longest time because I was willing to look at the dumb ads as the price of free content I enjoy. I gave up and clicked the checkbox when Slashdot's ads went full jackass, and installed ABP when Slashdot (temporarily?) stopped honoring the checkbox. Yes, that's right: I installed ABP because of Slashdot.

      Slow golf clap. Well done, corporate overlords.

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    10. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The "disable advertising" checkbox has never made much sense. If you're reading Slashdot, you ought to be using an adblocker anyway

      Not just that but it's not like you get the sidebar space back if you disable ads, you just get a big white space reminding you that you've disabled ads. Thanks! I knew that. I run an ad blocker.

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    11. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's even worse is ad content in the main body of the document that spends about five to ten seconds after a page load changing its size, so that the text of the document is bouncing all over the place as AJAX-loaded images size themselves to whatever is viewed as the correct size. If you don't basically walk away for about thirty seconds, you'll end up trying to click on a link, click on the wrong link and end up in some other page than you wanted.

      The sheer incompetence of web design, even on major sites like the Guardian's website, just amazes me. We literally have taken the latest web tools, and found a way to make the web experience even worse than it was during those purgatorial days of Internet Explorer 6.

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    12. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      One of my biggest peeves these days is the imposition of artificial pagination upon the reader as though the web were some nasty old newspaper or an elementary-school slideshow... just to artificially jack up the fucking ad impressions that much more. Combine that with the stupid javascript and HTML5 tricks that are en vogue these days and many sites are all but unusable on mobile browsers.

      I too actually never minded banner ads at the top or bottom of the page. I do understand that content has to be paid for. Hell, I don't even mind targeted advertising, so long as it's well-targetd, not insulting (Looking at you, Facebook, on this one for continuing to suggest that I should like things like bill gates, samsung, and walmart.), and not obnoxious... so basically... Google AdSense.

      I even whitelist some sites I do want to support. But the first time I see shenanigans... flash, java, pop-ups, pop-unders, overlays, interstitials, sounds, auto-playing video, or the aforementioned stupid javascript or HTML5 tricks... I have zero qualms whatsoever about immediately going back to blocking everything.

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    13. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll disagree with you on one thing. While no ISP or OS vendor should be the one making and imposing the choice to block on behalf of the customers; in the case of a company, said company IS the customer and has every right and, I'd argue, responsibility to block ads.

      In a company environment, the bandwidth doesn't belong to the users, nor does the equipment. It belongs to the company. And remember, web ads are a fairly common vector for malware infection. They can also be bandwidth and CPU hogs. As such, it is a fairly responsible practice to block them with a proxy or at the gateway, even if you're otherwise pretty liberal about what you allow your users to do online. Hardly anyone will miss them. And if some users do have a legitimate business need to view the unfiltered web, advertising, tracking cookies, malware, and all; accommodations can be made in those cases.

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    14. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by citylivin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Releasing something for free on the internet does not guarantee you a right to profit. I would think by your low user id you would have got this very basic fact by now.

      Advertising is cancer. It warps the mind to consume, causes needy people, mental problems and over-consumption. Something we cannot afford in this new century. Advertising wastes, time, money, bandwidth and fills peoples heads with garbage. Advertising should be banned. Its nothing more than for profit mind control.

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    15. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      a lot of page loads are slowed by ads because the ads are bid and filled in real time. You click on a link, your deets are passed thru to the ad server (IP, operating system, mobile or desktop, etc, whatever the browser sends), ad server auctions off your eyeballs. The auction window is left open as long as people can stand it in order to maximize bids.

      I never understood that "fact".

      I work on the real-time bidding part (the DSP part - the ones buying), and we have a fixed window to bid. There's no variability anywhere, if we bid too late (and that's measured in milliseconds), we automatically lose.

      So none of the exchanges I work with act like that, and I work with many of the big names. I'm surprised it made the news.

      Furthermore, there's no technical reason (and the means are way too cumbersome) to force said sequential loading. If anything, I'd blame the browsers for:

      1. Piss-poor and snail-slow JS compilers
      2. Lacking compile caches (or if they have them, slow as fuck)
      3. Bad parallelization

    16. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This. Very this.

      One of the chess sites detects if the ads don't load, and sends nasty emails threatening to delete your account if you block ads. That is their right, just as blocking ads until they ban me is my right. That is just the give-and-take of Freedom.

      I didn't wait to get banned, or unblock the ads, I just switched to a different site. The best chess site doesn't have ads and is membership only; none of the free-to-access ones are worth paying for, or worth crying over if they fail to make money off of a "free" service.

      I spend lots of money at the stores I shop at, but they aren't ones that have large advertising budgets. And if blogs-for-profit all go bust... honestly the content quality will skyrocket. Way less noise, even if the signal appears smaller in the short term.

    17. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      We need a new poll: WHEN did ads on /. cause you to install an ad blocker?

      * 1997-2001
      * 2002-2006
      * 2007-2010
      * 2011-2013
      * 2014-2015
      * Not yet!
      * CowboyNeal personally installed my adblocker in 1996.

    18. Re:There are Ads and then there are Fucking Ads. by Obfuscant · · Score: 2
      Well, because of the rollover-popup ad that they chose to start running, I am now.

      And funny coincidence, today my "ad block" option is UNset and I can click on it but it won't stay set.

      Thanks slashdot.

  23. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worst part? They'll never realize they killed themselves.

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  24. They're beginning with a false premise by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "the vast majority of internet users who refuse to pay for news."

    I don't think ad blockers exist because people don't want ads or "refuse to pay for news." Ad blockers exist because ads have become so ridiculously obnoxious and disruptive with animations or even sound that they make the web pages they're on pretty close to unusable. This is on top of the occasional but still-to-frequent usage of ad networks as malware distribution platforms. If the ad networks set some reasonable standards and actually enforced them, then ad blockers wouldn't be as much of an issue. As it is right now, using an ad block is a security requirement, not an option. From an aesthetic and usability standpoint it's just highly desirable.

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  25. Re:The thing I don't understand with the ad busine by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

    But it's the same thing: at some point, companies that pay to push ads are bound to notice people get pissed off, their sales aren't increasing as much as they'd like after running advertising campaigns after campaigns, and pushing ads turns out to be counterproductive. Then they'll stop paying to push ads.

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  26. my network, my system, my rules by Indy1 · · Score: 2

    don't think for one single fucking second that your slimy piece of shit malware infested crappy ad server or the network it resides on has any right to pass so much as a single bit past my firewall.

    Don't like it? Choke on a dick and die.

    BTW: I block ad's on my phone too, so don't think mobile devices will save you either.

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  27. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    VCR will kill commercial TV broadcasting
    VCR/DVD rentals will kill Hollywood
    Napster/bit torrent will kill the music industry
    etc...

  28. Re:End of the internet by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It will kill the internet as we know it.

    Somewhat of an overstatement, but I suppose it will bring about changes.

    Only those entities with money will be able to post any content.

    Dead wrong. I pay $120 a year for my site hosting and $10 a year for the domain. You can do it for free actually, I just like having big mysql databases and cron jobs.

    Smaller sites like /. may survive on subscriptions, but many will not. If you think the coroprtization of the internet is bad now...

    No, sites will move toward self-hosted ads and rely less on ad networks. It will probably give rise to a new industry of ad brokering for smaller sites unable to find their own advertisers, replacing the current ad+malware delivery networks.

  29. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So many industries are this way. They assume that there is a captive audience with only a few malcontents, but over time it starts slipping away and they don't know how to cope. Like television, they decide to save money by having crappier unscripted content or hire only interns as script writers, then are baffled that people are cutting the cord.

  30. Ads burn 30% of bandwidth that YOU pay for by Forever+Wondering · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In a recent story, a university installed ad blocking at their edge router. They saw their total Internet usage drop by 30%. Since, they were probably also doing non-web traffic (e.g. software updates, dropbox, etc.), this means that the actual percentage of website content that is ads is probably higher.

    Are companies who inject ads going to compensate the recipient for the bandwidth usage? Will such usage push the subscriber over their datacap?

    I installed ad blocking early, because, back then, the flash video ad was more likely to hang the flash player.

    And, I used to have a datacap [Note: I'm in California, and I switched to sonic.net, one of the few ISPs that have no datacap], but now the load time with the ads would still be too great.

    And, I'm not against ads in general, but, the privilege [of sending me an ad] has been abused. Obnoxiousness, malware vector, delaying page load until the ad is dynamically selected in a back haul bidding network. The list just keeps going.

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  31. They killed their own goose, not the blockers by Bugler412 · · Score: 2

    If they hadn't created an environment where 50 ads per page (with 50 trackers) was commonplace, in your face popups and interstitials, being a malware vector, and just generally abusing their own users, perhaps it wouldn't have to come to this. They have only themselves to blame.

  32. W/O advertiser restraint, ad blocking inevitable by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Currently, ads:

    1) Interrupt my flow of thought.

    2) Use video, which eats my limited bandwidth (Some of us use hotspots with data limits, comprende?)

    3) Unexpectedly start creating sounds, interrupting my wife, the cat, myself and the children.

    4) And the very worse thing, the godamm ads start JUMPING MY PAGE AROUND so the thing I was trying to click is no longer there by the time my mouse/finger manage to click the screen and I've suddenly opened the ad for hot singles in my area (The wife just loves that one).

    So, clue train manifesto for online advertisers:

    1) DO! NOT! INTERRUPT! ME! If you can't do that, I'm happy to go elsewhere.

    2) Do not ever randomly resize or refresh my web page. It needs to load once AND STAY THERE. If you can't do that, I'm happy to go elsewhere.

    3) Do not include noise in your ads, if possible. If necessary, make sure I have to work to consciously turn it on. If you can't do that, I'm happy to go elsewhere.

    4) Do NOT use bandwidth sucking video unless I request it by consciously turning it on. If you can't do that, I'm happy to go elsewhere.

    5) DO NOT ASK IF I WANT TO DOWNLOAD YOUR APP, RECEIVE YOUR NEWSLETTER, OR ALERTS BEFORE I'VE EVEN HAD A CHANCE TO SEE THE DAMN PAGE.

    Seriously guys. Basic reasoning? How the hell would I know if I want anything to do with you ever again if I haven't even looked you over yet?

    The more I see the results of web advertising, I wonder if they lobotomize the ad designers before, or after they are hired. Hire a UI specialist. Hire a psychologist. Most of all, pull your heads out of your own self absorbed asses and actually *talk* to a customer now and then.

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  33. Re:It's arms race by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    The problem is Yahoo jumped the shark a long time ago.

    History of Google search page vs Yahoo Portal crap
    http://praveenrajan.com/blog/u...

  34. Same here by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am willing to play fair and tolerate some advertising, but it finally got too invasive and so I got adblock. I am fine with ads, but only so long as they don't disturb me using the web. No autoplay video/audio, no popups, no interstitial. When they start pulling that crap, well sorry but I'm going to have to opt out. If it kills a site off, too bad, maybe you shouldn't have been so annoying.

    Advertisers are going to have to learn to keep it reasonable if they want me to stop using adblocking. As it stands now I block by default and only whitelist sites I know aren't bad about it.

  35. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by LessThanObvious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dear Advertisers, Figure out how to do ads in a trustworthy way (i.e. no privacy invasive behavior tracking and little or no risk of malware exposure) and I'll be happy to allow those ads. I'd prefer the ads to be static HTML hosted within the site I visit. I don't want my browser touching 15 domains that all run scripts every time I visit a page. As long as ads compromise my privacy and security I will consider advertising networks the enemy and treat them accordingly.

  36. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I dislike the intrusive ads, but someone has to pay for good, insightful comment and reporting. I am willing to pay about $365 p.a. for unencumbered access to newspapers, magazines, and scholarly journals. I am not willing to pay $10 p.m. for every single one of these; especially to only read any article very occasionally or only once (I can't afford multiple thousand $s per year!).
        Should the biggies (Times, Washington Post, Le Monde, Nature, The Economist, etc.) get together and set up such a system, I'm sure most of the rest would follow.
    But: would anyone else pay?

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  37. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by gijoel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And get rid of those fucking audio ads as well. I don't need some dick yelling at me about how to get free sex whilst I'm searching for Dora the explorer for a friends kid.

  38. Re:How to sell inventory for the first time? by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Why should a newly established web site do this? I'm serious. Is there some sort of inherent concept that a new web site must be profitable and that profit must come from ads?

    What sort of new web site is this? If it's a blog then screw it, if they won't post their stupid ideas without being paid for it, then they can just not have a blog. If they blog could be better with donations then ask for donations instead of screwing the viewers with ads. Oh, but donations are rare and don't cover all the costs of the goodies the blogger wants; in that case, shut down the blog. If you must have an ad, then consider having ads which are respectful of your viewers, which means you can not go to a third party ad network (spammer). Treat the blog like a radio station - do you want to be a skummy Clear Channel affiliate that goes with an ad server, or do you want to be a cool college station that curates the ads in house?

    What if it's a commercial web site? Then presumably they're getting money from other sources and don't need to abuse their viewers with ads. Don't be like ISPs who charge you for their service and then dump a ton of ads on you. Ad revenue is tiny, but a lot of companies don't care because they think their viewers don't care. These ads are a lot like the license plate holders from car dealerships, annoying and ugly and the first thing I remove when I get a new car. Give me the product for free then I'll watch and share all the ads you want (and I've done it) but make me pay for the product then get rid of that ad crap.

  39. Re:Silicon Valley burst by 0123456 · · Score: 2

    One of the great things about Microsoft being in catchup mode is that you can pretty much bet that, by the time they start doing something, it will be on the way out.

    Now they've pushed all the user tracking and ad-serving crap into Windows, the advertising bubble is probably about to burst.

  40. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is pure unadulterated TRUTH! When many of us got online in the late 80s/early 90s nobody was bothered by ads...why? Because they were a simple hyperlink or at most a tiny .jpg or .gif showing a product for sale...so what. in fact i bet many of us even bought products from those ads because they were 1.- Almost all first party and thus relevant to the site you were viewing and 2.- The one who wrote the site would often have a nice polite "Here is the stuff I like, they have good deals on it, if you like the site maybe you could have a look?" and many of us did that.

    Then here came the third party ad companies to take a big fat Cleveland Steamer on everything! First came the obnoxious pop ups, I bet many here first started hating ads in the mid 90s when that shit started really blowing up. First came pop up, then pop under, then pop all over the fucking screen. Then came the Java ads, followed by flash. Remember when Java was the hot thing, they were even showing desktops running entirely in java and it was Java this and Java that? I personally believe all the fucking Java ads slamming the hell out of those P3s is what turned the masses off of Java...but then came Flash, and boy was that name ever apropos when it comes to ads as the first ones were an epileptic nightmare as they flashed images worse than a Japanese cartoon trying to get your attention. Was that enough for the ad corp assholes? Nope because "hey we can blow their ears off and make 'em listen to our pitches, brilliant!" until it got to the point you couldn't have speakers in an office PC because you never knew when it would blow your ears out!

    But of course the rotting elephant in the room is none of these ad corps or websites take responsibility for the malware they spread thus driving the final nail in the ad driven web coffin, because now its a severe security risk to allow ads to be loaded. I can tell everybody that once I switched all my users to browsers running ABP in low rights mode? Malware just dried up, in fact I can't remember the last nasty I saw on a PC that was running adblocking. And all those that scream about ABP and "acceptable ads" really need to look at the policy to become an acceptable ad, its the best practices I've been pushing for years, NO flash or java, NO sound, NO pop up/under/over, NO hidden redirects or misleading images like faking a security dialog box, in other words it is the kind of ads we used to not have to worry about, simple hyperlinks or non moving images.

    So I'm sorry websites but you brought it upon yourselves, you had a good thing going and in the name of greed you shat all over it and made ads the plague blankets of the net. Switch to the ABP acceptable ad model and most of us will happily let your ads run, but of course that means not letting third parties throw any shit on your page they want and risking your viewers PCs but instead they will just whine and moan. I'm proud to say I got banned from The Escapist for calling them out on their BS, they had Jim Sterling whine about how evil ABP was and I posted a link showing how many times The Escapist had shown malware infected ads and simply asked "So are you gonna take responsibility and pay for the damages to those you infect with your ads?". Wow you should have seen how quickly they started burying the thread and throwing the banhammer, didn't work as the whole narrative got switched to ads and malware. So if any claim its about "saving websites" simply ask that little question, are they gonna take responsibility and pay for the damages if they infect their viewers? If not they can fuck right off!

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  41. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by JonathanR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Running NoScript; it boggles my mind how many domains are required to get some sites working (particularly MSM sites). Sometimes I just give up on trying to access the content.

  42. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I find pathetic is that these companies, oftentimes the source of the most abusive and invasive software on the Internet, call themselves the victims when people just block their garbage.

    It has gotten so bad, that in the last 10 years, it is quite obvious that the #1 defense against malware on a computer is not a firewall, nor is it an AV program. It is an adblocking extension coupled with some form of click to play or NoScript. In fact, if a user doesn't run anything downloaded, adblock/noscript/updated browser/firewall is pretty much all they need for adequate security.

    Of course, iOS/Android tend to not be that better. Half the time, you find sites trying to shunt over to the App Store for some brain-dead F2P/P2W clone of Candy Crush or junk like that. Using Dolphin Browser on Android does help with this.

    The problem isn't the ads. Plain old static banner ads did work. Google text ads are useful. The actual problem is greed. The banner ads were replaced by tower ads, content was moved from one page and broken up into 5-30 pages. Hyperlinks were replaced by mouseovers. Even photos are broken up requiring 4-5 pages to see the entire pithy meme.

  43. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    See any retail industry. Anywhere.

    Quite frankly, if I go to a bookstore to get information about books and what I get is an employee who knows less about books than me and turns to her computer to search Amazon for recommendations... I can do that myself, thank you! I was hoping that I'd find somewhere there who, ya know, KNOWS a thing about the shit they sell?

    That's the whole point behind going into a specialized store instead of doing your shopping online. To talk with someone who knows MORE about the stuff than you do, or you could find out by using the internet. That is the whole point.

    But of course, people who actually know what they're doing cost more money, so what you get is people who sell you mattresses today, books tomorrow and in a week you see them flipping burgers.

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  44. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear Advertisers, Figure out how to do ads in a trustworthy way (i.e. no privacy invasive behavior tracking and little or no risk of malware exposure) and I'll be happy to allow those ads. I'd prefer the ads to be static HTML hosted within the site I visit. I don't want my browser touching 15 domains that all run scripts every time I visit a page. As long as ads compromise my privacy and security I will consider advertising networks the enemy and treat them accordingly.

    A co-worker asked which browser I used at home.
    Firefox I replied.
    Now many add-ons?
    About 30.
    Your favorite?
    Ad block plus.
    You know that's how the sites make money.
    I know.
    Why use it then?
    When the sites start paying a portion of my Internet bill for them using my bandwidth I'll quit using ad block.

    Nuff said.

  45. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by ultranova · · Score: 2

    Quite frankly, if I go to a bookstore to get information about books and what I get is an employee who knows less about books than me and turns to her computer to search Amazon for recommendations... I can do that myself, thank you! I was hoping that I'd find somewhere there who, ya know, KNOWS a thing about the shit they sell?

    And what happens when they hire someone motivated (and thus expensive), and you then buy the actual book at Amazon anyway after getting the info you need?

    Bookstores are simply outdated. They're going to die no matter what they do, and know that. So why spend any more fighting the inevitable rather than just extract what profit they can on their way out?

    But of course, people who actually know what they're doing cost more money, so what you get is people who sell you mattresses today, books tomorrow and in a week you see them flipping burgers.

    And they know that too. They're never getting out of poverty unless they get fantastically lucky, so why bother trying? People allocate their resources - including time and effort - based on expectations of results, and the expected result for a low-rank worker working hard is ending up flipping burgers.

    A social system works by creating a kind of shared dream of how the world works, what kinds of positions are available, who can fill them, and what's expected of them. These dreams can take a certain amount of being contradicted by evidence, but not the kind of brutal beatdown Capitalism is currently experiencing, at least not without attaching religious feeling its dogma, which it has done. But even so, if things don't start improving fast, the disillusionment will spread until the entire machinery falls apart.

    So, any guesses where the next round of Communistic revolutions (Neo-communism? Communism 2.0?) is going to start?

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  46. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

    And get rid of those fucking audio ads as well. I don't need some dick yelling at me about how to get free sex whilst I'm searching for Dora the explorer for a friends kid.

    Did you search for:

    Dora exploring her sexuality?
    Dora self exploring?
    Dora does exploring?
    Dora + safari suit + adventure?
    Sluts gone wild?

  47. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

    You've got your decades confused. There were no ads online in the late 80s or early 90s, unless you're talking about Prodigy, because no one outside of academia used the internet then, and the WWW and the Mosaic browser didn't even exist until 1994. Looking at a .gif (JPEG didn't even come out until 1992, and didn't see real usage on regular people's computers until later) meant manually downloading it first (perhaps from alt.binaries.pictures.*), then opening up an image viewer to look at it. The internet didn't really get commercialized with ads until the late 90s.

  48. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by dizzy8578 · · Score: 2

    I know a lot about books. I read pretty much non stop and have for 56 years. The only job I ever got fired from was in a book store. I could not even tear the covers off returns (paperbacks) without falling into reading them. This may be why you do not find avid readers working in book stores that expect to make a profit.

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  49. Re:Will Ad Blockers Kill the Digital Media Industr by JustSomeProgrammer · · Score: 2

    Are you willing to pay more for the books you get in a bookstore than the identical product you can get online? Brick and mortar stores have already found that in general the answer to that question is no. Brick and mortar stores have lots of expenses that online does not. Brick and mortar for one, sales employees for another. And the situation you're describing is having knowledge experts (read people who get paid more) working as the sales people. This works in some markets; I'm willing to pay more for wine if bought from someone who knows about what they are talking about. But typically doesn't work for the vast majority of people.