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Motorola Quickly Shows Next Moto 360 Smartwatch, 'Flat Tire' Display Lives On

MojoKid writes: Will they or won't they continue on with the 'flat tire' display? That's been the big question surrounding Motorola's next generation Moto 360 smartwatch. Today, we finally learn the answer to the question, and unfortunately, it looks as though Motorola still hasn't seen clear to incorporate a completely circular display like LG, Huawei and now Samsung into a smartwatch. In an incredibly short video posted to Motorola's official Twitter account (the tweet has since been taken down), we see a fleeting glimpse of the next generation Moto 360. There is still a cutout at the bottom of the display, which houses an ambient light sensor in the current generation Moto 360. Keen eyes will also spot that the side button has been moved from the 3 o'clock position to the 2 o'clock position and that the integrated lug system for the watch bands has been abandoned in favor of an external lug system typical of most modern wristwatches.

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  1. I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...immediately, were it not for the fact that Motorola is trying to charge me $25 for an in-warranty repair of a known design flaw on my Moto 360, which has been treated like gold dust since the day I bought it. The bad taste in my mouth has convinced me never to buy Motorola again. My only choice, other than to pay $25, is to wait weeks for my watch to be shipped to me after they receive and finally get around to processing it. There's no longer any way to have a replacement shipped out first, even if you agree to a credit card hold for the full retail price -- there's a mandatory $25 fee on a product that's close to 20% of the actual product price. Disgusting and unethical is the new Moto way.

    1. Re:I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reject the offer, goto small claim court, they don't show up because they are too big for small claim court, win 3000$

    2. Re:I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, you have to file. $300. Then you have to serve. $300 more. Then, assuming you have everything fall in your favor, you get your judgment. It won't be $3000, but say it is. Now what? You think $3000 will fall into your lap? Now you try and collect. Good luck. And that will cost you even more. And you still have court costs to pay. You may think they are "too big", but you are too small. Unless you think spending $1000 to get nothing is some sort of money really does grow on trees thang. Better to fake a slip in a supermarket. Take acting lessons before.

    3. Re:I'd be buying this... by Scutter · · Score: 1

      That's nothing like how small claims court works.

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    4. Re: I'd be buying this... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Oh noes $25! That's like 3 months of commoner flavored gruel mix!

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    5. Re:I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...immediately, were it not for the fact that Motorola is trying to charge me $25 for an in-warranty repair of a known design flaw on my Moto 360, which has been treated like gold dust since the day I bought it. The bad taste in my mouth has convinced me never to buy Motorola again. My only choice, other than to pay $25, is to wait weeks for my watch to be shipped to me after they receive and finally get around to processing it. There's no longer any way to have a replacement shipped out first, even if you agree to a credit card hold for the full retail price -- there's a mandatory $25 fee on a product that's close to 20% of the actual product price. Disgusting and unethical is the new Moto way.

      Which known design flaw? The back-cracking? They fixed mine for free, and the turn-around was very quick. Now, maybe it's because i'm in the USA?

    6. Re: I'd be buying this... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      That's like 3 months worth of coffee if you make your own coffee and don't hang out in hipster coffeehouses.

    7. Re: I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's actually a lot like how small claims court works. I sued an uninsured motorist who hit my car. Yeah, I won the settlement and the guy legally owed me the amount plus court costs. Did I see a dime of it? No, of course not. You need a lawyer to fill out wage garnishing paper work and a private detective to get the info needed for the paperwork. Really ends up not being worth it. Now, it would likely be different with a company who's information is readily available.

    8. Re: I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could seize his asset. just like you could seize motorola assert. Of course anything you could seize from motorola would worth more then 3000$ so they will prefer to pay rather then lose then entire export container. Because of this, small claim court is easy against giant corporation. Not so against money less bum that can't drive.

    9. Re: I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If $25 lasts three months, then you are either not drinking enough coffee (drink more, you dirty heathen) or you are drinking Folgers tar (die, infidel!).

    10. Re:I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's super easy to file a judgement and then pawn that judgement off on to a creditor. Get a $5000 judgement and sell it for $1000.

    11. Re: I'd be buying this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can get a three pound bag of Jose's whole bean coffee for under $20. That's approximately two (real) coffees a day for 68 days.

      I'm guessing you drink that watered down "cafe Americana" crap that's barely coffee.

  2. Invoked Streissand Effect by mentil · · Score: 1

    This tactic of making marketing efforts look like leaks purposely invokes the Streissand Effect. The perceived implication is "we don't want you to see this", which drives people to think "I'll show them, hehe, must be something REAL interesting if they're trying to hide it." It's comparable to reverse psychology. The punchline is that this gets more attention for their marketing message than if they had done a straight interview/press release. Instead of revealing everything about a product all at once, tidbits of info can be 'leaked' gradually leading up to the product announcement. The company has the opportunity to deny knowing anything about the product or info contained in the leaks, and thus avoid giving any more info. I can't help but think of the old RIAA strategy of 'priming' the market by releasing a song on the radio 3 months before you can buy its associated album, the timing is usually about right too.

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    1. Re:Invoked Streissand Effect by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/s...

      I know I just HAVE to get one of those Streissand camo prints to give my car that something extra special .

  3. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    unfortunately, it looks as though Motorola still hasn't seen clear to incorporate a completely circular display

    Why is this a bad thing?
    Because the competition doesn't do it?
    Because you lose a tiiiny fraction of the display that was probably just going to be wasted empty space, or a border, or (god forbid) some horrible skeuomorph graphic?
    Because your OCD demands that only simply geometric shapes be used to adorn your person?
    I don't understand. The space still serves some purpose (top facing light sensor - arguably the best place for it) so why poo-poo it?

    Not that I care overmuch. Smartwatches are mostly still just status symbols masquerading as over-engineered solutions looking for a problem. Wake me when someone remembers that little phrase about perfection not being when there is nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away - and builds it into a smartwatch.

    1. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you go through your entire day talking like a bumper sticker?

    2. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this a bad thing?

      The reason is quite simple:

      Because it looks stupid the way it is now.

      What, you're not happy with that? Sorry, but that's how it is.

    3. Re:So what by timmyf2371 · · Score: 1

      Smartwatches are mostly still just status symbols masquerading as over-engineered solutions looking for a problem.

      I have a Pebble (original). I've had many comments about it being a cool gadget or how they've never seen someone pay for their coffee with their watch before, but definitely nothing that would make me even think of it as somewhat of a status symbol. It's just the modern day equivalent of the Casio watch.

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    4. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks stupid only insofar as you look at it as a watch and not as a portable computer that also shows time.
      Form factor is frankly irrelevant for smartwatches. To be constrained to a circular display is beyond stupid.
      Look at Apple and Samsung for form factors that deviate from a simple circle. Unfortunately Samsung in its new iteration of the Gear S abbandoned the curved rectangular display for a circular one.
      In my opinion the best form factor for a smartwatch is one like that of the original Samsung Gear S. Rectangular and slightly curved. Improve on this by making it thinner, using "bendable electronics" etc.... and you've got a real winner.

    5. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why do we still have rectangular monitors? They look stupid. Why can't they be round.

    6. Re:So what by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Why is this a bad thing?

      Because screen real estate.

      Most of what you want to display on a smart watch is naturally rectangular (text, photos, album art, digital time etc. and, of course, any app designed for a rectangular smartwatch) so it would be much easier to use all the space on a rectangular display.

      The one, big plus to a circular display is to allow for a large, clear circular clock dial display that fills the entire face of the watch - because some people really like way of visualising the time. You could also base other aspects of your UI around a clock-face metaphor. Having a 'bite' out of the bottom of the display means the face has to be reduced in size and off-center (introducing a lot of other dead space around it).

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    7. Re:So what by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      ever had a casio user have explain you that they have just ordered a new casio?

      of course not. pebble users mention it all the fucking time that they have a pebble.

      you're doing it right now, while sort of playing it down you're also mentioning how people tell you how cool you are for having one, so there.

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    8. Re:So what by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      the word you're looking for is 'humblebrag'

    9. Re:So what by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Why is this a bad thing?"

      The combination of their claim that it is too hard to make the full circle available combined with the fact that their competition is capable of doing it signals that Motorola has inferior capabilities. What else is not as good?

    10. Re:So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it was specifically that it was too difficult or not currently possible to make a fully round display with virtually no bezel. They could have made a fully round display if they didn't mind making the bezel larger. That is a design trade-off, it's is just that they decided that it was better to have a small part missing from the bottom of the display than to make the bezel bigger.

      Now as I've lost interest in smartwatches I haven't checked if any of the competition actually has a round watchface with as small a bezel as the 360, but the ones I've seen haven't. So is their competition really able to make a watch with a round display with bezels as small as the 360? If so, can you point me to which one so I can have a look.

    11. Re:So what by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Having a 'bite' out of the bottom of the display means the face has to be reduced in size and off-center (introducing a lot of other dead space around it).

      Totally right. Just like the oval clocks that were popular when I was a kid needed to have hands that changed length as they went around. Imagine the complexity of the mechanism! Antikythera my arse!

      Oh, hang on, they didn't. At least one of us must be full of shite.

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    12. Re:So what by cduffy · · Score: 1

      You might try actually looking at some faces for the 360. Hint: They're still centered on the middle of the physical display. Looking at my wrist right now, it's 27 minutes after the hour and all that's cut off is some of the dashes marking minutes; the hand itself is still on-screen, but I expect that at 1:30 proper a few pixels for the edge of that hand might be cut off.

      And, y'know what? I can't say that disturbs me overmuch. If (as they claim) this design feature avoids the need for a larger bezel while allowing an accurate light-level sensor, I'll keep it.

      [At the end of typing the post, it's :30 after; looking at my wrist, the very tip of the minute hand is indeed occluded -- which answers your prior claims: No dead space, no distortion].

    13. Re:So what by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      and all that's cut off is some of the dashes marking minutes; the hand itself is still on-screen, but I expect that at 1:30 proper a few pixels for the edge of that hand might be cut off.

      So... in what way is that preferable to having a face that fills the entire screen without bits missing?

      Is anybody saying your watch is completely useless and you should saw your hand off at the wrist rather than look at the hideous "flat tire" face? No (well, this is the internet so maybe). Would it be better to have a completely circular face? Yes.

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    14. Re:So what by itsdapead · · Score: 1

      Just like the oval clocks that were popular when I was a kid needed to have hands that changed length as they went around.

      Who mentioned the hands changing length? Were the ticks for 5 through 7 o-clock sliced off? Was a major selling point of those clocks that you could download new faces? Did the face have limited resolution? Was it the most expensive part of the clock and did the unused space contribute to running the spring down? Was the oval face a nuisance when you read email or viewed maps on these clocks... oh wait, you couldn't.

      Some things are not the same as other things.

      Plus, what idiot buys a clock with an oval face, when you could have one in the shape of an owl with eyes that moved left and right as the pendulum swung?

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  4. The opposite of external is internal by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    WTF are integrated lugs? To me it means formed in one piece with the body, which means they can be integrated and external - as most indeed are for strength [1].

    As for the flat tire, wow. Total dealbreaker that. Then again, I came within an ace of buying an N-Gage, so I'm hardly a style guru.

    [1] I'm surprised nobody's patented this.

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    1. Re: The opposite of external is internal by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's not a citation, you fat Alaskan granny-shagger. It's a footnote.

      "The note can provide an author's comments on the main text or citations of a reference work in support of the text, or both."
      (my emphasis)

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  5. Get a life by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
    Someone is deeply concerned about the existence/nonexistence of a flat area on the side of a smart watch? Really?

    This falls so far below the standard of "News for Nerds" that it is an embarrassment. What part of the Slashdot demographic gives a rip? The fashion conscious? Here? (chokes laughing).

    So the flat edge effects the clock speed? Number of cores? Memory? Battery life? Connectivity?

    Tell me. I absolutely do not have the fainest idea of why this got posted. It's too stupid to be a Shashvertisement. Is it due to drugs, drink, too much caffeine and lack of sleep on the part of editors? A cry for help? Or perhaps too many brain cells have died because of a combination of junk food and constant florescent lighting?

    Whatever. Just don't ever pull this kind of crap again.You just make yourself look as dumb as you are.

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    1. Re:Get a life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its the screen.

      There is a flat area on an otherwise round screen. It is news for nerds because it is a smart watch, ie a high technology watch. Not a mechanical watch (which can sometimes be news for nerds) but a technical one.

      The flat area is related to usability and aesthetics. Turns out being a nerd doesn't mean you want to 100% embrace the "I dont care what I or it looks like" philosophy.

      Talk about "get off my neckbeard" response.

  6. Moto 270 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See, all they need is a more accurate name and nobody can make fun of it anymore.

  7. Doesn't matter by markdavis · · Score: 1

    I have had a 360 since it came out and I am pretty picky. But the "flat tire" part doesn't bother me at all. The 360 is a great design with lots of nice features (besides being very rugged, stylish, and affordable).

    Please note, the "incredibly short video" is not of any real watch, it is just an animated mockup. So although I don't think it matters much either way, it doesn't prove anything at all.

  8. For anyone wondering what "Flat Tire" means by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    at the bottom of Motorola's smart watch is a small black section that isn't part of the display. Since the display is round it makes the whole thing look like slightly deflated tire (not really flat, just a bit deflated :P). There's a good explanation at the top of this article.

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  9. What about lefties? by JimMcc · · Score: 1

    At roughly 10% of the population left handed people are a minority. Watch designs have historically been designed for right handed people. When watches were mechanical devices that made sense. It didn't make economical sense to manufacturer two different designs of watches and it would have been to complex, and therefore expensive, to provide a stem and/or buttons on both sides of the watch. But with purely digital watches most of those barriers go away. What is the cost per watch to provide an additional button? Or even more simply, what about a configuration option that changes the orientation of the display. In the case of the Moto 360 that would mean that the button would be at the 7 o'clock position if worn upside down by a leftie. The button would be easily pushed by the thumb instead of the forefinger, but at least your hand would be out of the way.

    People, just think of the lefties.

    1. Re:What about lefties? by kencurry · · Score: 1

      At roughly 10% of the population left handed people are a minority. Watch designs have historically been designed for right handed people. When watches were mechanical devices that made sense. It didn't make economical sense to manufacturer two different designs of watches and it would have been to complex, and therefore expensive, to provide a stem and/or buttons on both sides of the watch. But with purely digital watches most of those barriers go away. What is the cost per watch to provide an additional button? Or even more simply, what about a configuration option that changes the orientation of the display. In the case of the Moto 360 that would mean that the button would be at the 7 o'clock position if worn upside down by a leftie. The button would be easily pushed by the thumb instead of the forefinger, but at least your hand would be out of the way.

      People, just think of the lefties.

      Apple watch can be set-up for lefties; one of the reasons I bought one.

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    2. Re:What about lefties? by JimMcc · · Score: 1

      Cool. Thanks for the tip.

  10. Video is still available on Google Plus by ZeroNullVoid · · Score: 1

    The video is still available on Google Plus