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Breathing Beijing's Air Is the Equivalent of Smoking Almost 40 Cigarettes a Day

iONiUM writes: The Economist has a story about how bad the air quality is in Beijing. Due to public outcry the Chinese government has created almost 1,000 air quality monitoring stations, and the findings aren't good. They report: "Pollution is sky-high everywhere in China. Some 83% of Chinese are exposed to air that, in America, would be deemed by the Environmental Protection Agency either to be unhealthy or unhealthy for sensitive groups. Almost half the population of China experiences levels of PM2.5 that are above America's highest threshold. That is even worse than the satellite data had suggested. Berkeley Earth's scientific director, Richard Muller, says breathing Beijing's air is the equivalent of smoking almost 40 cigarettes a day and calculates that air pollution causes 1.6m deaths a year in China, or 17% of the total. A previous estimate, based on a study of pollution in the Huai river basin (which lies between the Yellow and Yangzi rivers), put the toll at 1.2m deaths a year—still high."

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  1. not shock by arbiter1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    First, If you ever seen pictures in china of the pollution sadly that number isn't a big surprise

    1. Re:not shock by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, yeah, it's probably better for them to breathe the local air through a filter tip.

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    2. Re:not shock by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's all false propaganda. Western lies and deceit. We all breath pure mountain air, straight from the Himilaya's!

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    3. Re: not shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Under libertarianism, you cant agress against others.

      Exactly when does your pollution become an aggression against me? And the mechanism to deal with this under a libertarian regime would be what exactly? You know, since you hate government and all.

      Pollution is not ok under libertariranism and never has been.

      Says you. Funny, I've never seen externalities addressed by libertarianism. You can spin it any way you want, but if the communists in China (which the economy itself is becoming a hybrid communist/capitalist model) were libertarian the shit would still be happening.

      Go fucking live in Somalia and leave the adults to get work done, please.

    4. Re: not shock by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So you envision a libertarian paradise with strongly enforced environmental regulations? I daresay you have a unique take on libertarianism.

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    5. Re: not shock by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with this view is:

      1) What if Big Company A dumps the pollution on their land, but it seeps into the groundwater and poisons wells off their land. They didn't put the pollution off their land. Do they need to contain the pollution in some manner? What if that containment fails? What if it is properly contained but an exceptional event occurs and it leaks? Exactly what constitutes proper containment? Before long, you have environmental laws passed and enforced again.

      2) What if Big Company A pollutes and the victims are Poor People B who don't have the financial resources for a legal battle? Can big companies do whatever they want provided that they do it to people who can't afford to fight back?

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    6. Re: not shock by flink · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How are issues with odors and other types of pollution resolved by the tort law as it stands now? Would a factory that started spewing poisonous gases be liable for any downwind damages? You are right though that "own air" is a poor choice of words.

      If my lungs are destroyed by your factory, it's not much solace to me if my heirs get some money 5 years after I'm dead. I'd much rather have a strongly enforced regulation that prevents you from doing it in the first place.

  2. I don't understand metric by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's that pipeloads of tobacco per semifortnight?

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  3. And it's not even in the top 10 worst. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to this report no Chinese city gets into the top 10 most polluted....
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/world...

    According to this 1 Xi'an is the worst in the world. With Phoenix being the worst American city at 97th worst, LA is 107th, London 171st
    http://www.numbeo.com/pollutio...

    1. Re:And it's not even in the top 10 worst. by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      According to this report no Chinese city gets into the top 10 most polluted.... http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/world...

      According to this 1 Xi'an is the worst in the world. With Phoenix being the worst American city at 97th worst, LA is 107th, London 171st http://www.numbeo.com/pollutio...

      Xi'an makes one list but not the other, that just comes to show how reliable these lists are. The rule of thumb here is that when you are going to work and you find yourself wishing that you could echolocate like a bat to find the subway station because you can't see your hand in front of your face due to smog then it's time to consider moving to a cleaner place. The sad thing is that many cities in China fit that description because of the fact that for decades the Chinese Govt. has not cared one bit about environmental issues because it lowered production costs. There are free market pundits in the west who'd like us to follow the Chinese example based on the premise that environmental regulations get in the way of companies making profit. If you want to know where that leads take a look at China. However, the Chinese public is getting fed up with this and that explosion in Tianjin is just the latest drop into the cup of their dissatisfaction (It's absolutely unbelievable that those firemen were sent into a hazardous chemicals storage facility without knowing what was kept there, simply because even the facilities operators didn't know). It will be interesting to watch what happens when that cup fills up and flows over.

  4. Re:Beijing is not China by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Where are you seeing that assumption made? As far as i can see, the article and summary both clearly make distinctions between conditions in Bejing and throughout the country as a whole.

    For instance:

    Pollution is sky-high everywhere in China. Some 83% of Chinese are exposed to air that, in America, would be deemed by the Environmental Protection Agency either to be unhealthy or unhealthy for sensitive groups. Almost half the population of China experiences levels of PM2.5 that are above America’s highest threshold.

    Agree that people should watch that documentary though - it's very good.

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  5. Re:Capitalism is killing them by NixieBunny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The progressives are responsible for making our air clean. The big cities in America used to look like China is now, but the EPA was created to do something about it, and has succeeded admirably. People rag about the government overreaching, but this is one shining example of the government solving a big problem. Unfortunately, the EPA has been hamstrung by the conservative Congress, which seems to think that keeping our air from becoming all polluted again is too much of a price for industry to pay. Assholes.

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  6. Re:Beijing is not China by Namarrgon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not that I expect anyone to RTFA of course, but the article is actually a report on Berkeley Earth's study on the 1500-site national air-reporting system, and most of the figures given are for all of China. The only specific Beijing reference is the "40 packs a day" metaphor.

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  7. At least it's free by Laxator2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cigarettes are quite expensive, so getting 40 a day for free is not that bad.

    That being said, Beijing is located is a small depression and that results in all the heavier particles in the air hovering over the city instead of dispersing over a larger area.

    This effect is strongest in the winter, as I experienced it when I visited the city about a decade ago. However, there are spontaneous "clearing events" when sudden winds blow away the smoke, and then the difference in the quality of the air is quite striking.