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Why Google Wants To Sell You a Wi-Fi Router

lpress writes: Last quarter, Google made $16 billion on advertising and $1.7 billion on "other sales." I don't know how "other sales" breaks down, but a chunk of that is hardware devices like the Pixel Chromebook, Chromecast, Next thermostat, Nexus phone and, now, WiFi routers. Does the world need another $200 home router? Why would Google bother? I can think of a couple of strategic reasons — they hope it will become a home-automation hub (competing with the Amazon Echo) and it will enable them to dynamically configure and upgrade your home or small office network for improved performance (hence more ads).

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  1. Google, get your house in order first by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    Comparing various Starbucks locations (suburban and next to college campuses) where AT&T wifi networks were replaced with Google wifi, I would not buy a Google wifi router at present. In each case, the Google service is worse than its predecessor. This surprises me, but all I have to do is listen to the complaints of the students around me to know that I am not alone in this feeling.

  2. Re:Ulterior motive implied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    lpress the submitter, is literally linking to his own blog as an article for us to read.

  3. ADVERTISING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They want to control your network. They want to inject advertising into everything you do. They want you to have no choice but to use DNS servers they control.

    This isn't some benevolent endeavor, its purpose is to make money by selling you again.

    1. Re:ADVERTISING by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, I think it's quite a bit more subtle than that. Trying to inject advertising into your internet stream would be a ham-handed approach the idiots at Lenovo would try. Google is more clever than to slit their own device's throat with something so stupid as that.

      Google has a vested interest in improving people's online experience. That's why they invest in all sorts of network/internet technology, including a web browser they give out for free, fiber access to homes, and under-the-hood improvements to internet communication standards that make things more efficient and more secure. They want people to be safe, secure, and happy to be online. They want people connected to the internet all the time, with fast and stable connections, and they've seen that the current market of wifi routers is pretty much garbage, in terms of features, stability, and security.

      ALL OF THIS relates to encouraging people to stay online, which in turn means relying on Google services, which they can then mine for data to sell to advertisers, which is how they earn their money. Yes, it's about advertising in the end, but not like you're thinking.

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    2. Re: ADVERTISING by FranTaylor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True. I can hardly think of a company I'd trust less

      chinese router companies laugh at your ignorance

    3. Re:ADVERTISING by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They want to control your network. They want to inject advertising into everything you do. They want you to have no choice but to use DNS servers they control.

      This isn't some benevolent endeavor, its purpose is to make money by selling you again.

      I agree with the first part: "They want to control your network" but I don't think the intent is to screw with your network. I think the intent is actually defensive and it's to keep other people from screwing with your network. Same with DNS servers. They want to provide fast and reliable DNS servers so that their own service is fast and reliable. I think that's the same reason they initially entered the mobile phone market and the ISP market.. They are scared of walled gardens and the more they control the connection from you to them then the less dependent they are on the whims of some other corporation that would like to interfere with and steal their customers.

  4. No router with out open wrt. by anwyn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't buy a router unless I can put openwrt on it. Too many router companies have been caught putting deliberate backdoors on their routers. Free software is the only way to prevent this.

    1. Re: No router with out open wrt. by corychristison · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apparently its built with Gentoo Linux.

      I'm not sure how locked down this thing will be, but I am sure we'll be able to hack/mod it.

    2. Re: No router with out open wrt. by corychristison · · Score: 5, Informative

      DD-WRT works, it just isn't very clean under the hood.

      - The entire interface is a mess of PHP spaghetti code with intertwined HTML
      - Old code with poorly implemented features bolted on
      - outdated UI that is honestly a little confusing to navigate
      - poorly documented, and outdated documentation
      I will say the user community is huge and that is one major benefit.

      OpenWrt is more like a Linux based router OS, but is well organized internally, incredibly stable, and very flexible. By default it typically does not have a UI. There are a few different ones to choose from.

      The original Tomato is actually a partially closed system. I should have been clear that I meant Tomato based firmwares such as the Toastman mod, Tomato Shibby, etc. which are based on TomatoUSB, an early fork of Tomato before it went commercial.

    3. Re: No router with out open wrt. by RR · · Score: 4, Informative

      In my opinion, OpenWRT is better than DD-WRT because OpenWRT is under pretty active development and has features that matter for making a better Internet.

      DD-WRT is very difficult to compile, so in practice when a device comes out, you have one guy making a firmware stuffed with like 4 hotspots and 4 VPNs and 2 VoIP switches and DynDNS, or as many of those things as he can fit, and there’s no space for your own programs on the router. IPv6 is not a top priority at DD-WRT. And then nobody makes a new firmware for that device ever again, no matter how many security holes appear over the years.

      In contrast, the latest OpenWRT comes with FQ-CoDel, IPv6, and DNSSEC. The default web-based administration these days is not bad, and the package system allows you to add interesting stuff, if your device has enough space. The Kconfig build system and the plain text configuration files make customization pretty easy.

      The main downside is that OpenWRT is more picky about hardware. For DD-WRT, you have an ancient WRT54G, that’s fine, just install an equally ancient firmware. Ignore the problems; everybody else ignores the problems. Current releases of OpenWRT insist on a device that can run a modern kernel, with at least 4MB of flash and 32MB of RAM.

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  5. Re:Ulterior motive implied by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Speculation hey?

    1: Release Google Branded Router with a user friendly way of updating firmware.
    2: Deploy routers to as many locations across the US/World as possible.
    3: Introduce a patch allowing users to use some of their bandwidth as part of Google's 'Project Fi' (messaging & voice over WiFi).
    4: Introduce a patch allowing users to share a small portion of their bandwidth with other users as part of Project Fi - extending googles network coverage.

    Admittedly home users might not be so interested in sharing their bandwidth for text/voice but small business and community ventures in areas with poor cell coverage? I think this could definitely be something that would interest them :)

  6. Google Fi Access Points by rockmuelle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's more likely what they're doing. Seeing how far they can expand the Fi network.

  7. Performance and security by swillden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know a couple of people who were involved in the development of OnHub and, FWIW, they say that the motivation was that there's a need for a Wifi router that performs better and is more secure. Not a strategic bet, just a perceived market opportunity which they thought Google was well-equipped to fill.

    With regard to performance, the antenna design of the OnHub is supposed to be dramatically better than anything else on the market, and the device incorporates ideas from the Software Defined Networking stacks Google developed internally for its data centers, to optimize data flow. I wouldn't have thought there was much you could do to make Wifi work better, since the ISP connection is generally the bottleneck, but apparently there is. With respect to security, it adopts a number of ideas from ChromeOS, plus fully-automated updates. Probably the biggest security benefit compared to the competition is that security is actually a primary design goal, which isn't the impression I get from makers of home routers.

    We'll see if OnHub actually is enough better than the competition to justify its premium price. Based on what I know of the people working on it I expect that it will. I ordered one.

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  8. Re:Ulterior motive implied by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, I was thinking much the same, except slightly more cynically:

    1. Develop a faster negotiation scheme for 802.11 with encryption that involves extra data in the beacon frame plus a single ARP with shortened delay waiting for a response
    2. Make changes to improve handoff speed between 802.11 and LTE
    3. Become an MVNO for Android devices
    4. Silently introduce a software update that automatically shares a portion of your bandwidth with Android cell phones for voice call purposes
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  9. Consumer Routers are Junk by Luthair · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately the trend for the past 10-years has been ever worse consumer router hardware, a lack of security updates, decreasing performance and increasing prices. Further, a number of manufacturers have been going down the 'cloud' rathole. The industry is as bad as the telcos & cable, I for one welcome our new Google overlords.

    While I'd rather run a pfsense box, these may still turn out to be much better than standard routers and be the one to recommend to your friends & family.

  10. A hope, rather than a guess by wonkavader · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think this is what Google had in mind, but I hope this will become part of their plan:

    The real problem with Comcast isn't the connections to the home or to Comcast's servers, it's the routers which move traffic to other networks. Not just their peering relationships, but the hardware they overload along the way.

    These devices have a network test function. They provide Google with a whole bunch of edge devices in the consumer Internet space which openly say they're going to communicate with Google. I'm hoping that Google will use these to map out ISP network and use the information to A. spoof DNS results to avoid overloaded equipment, B. Tattle on problems to partners to adjust BGP (or whatever ISPs are using now for routing tables), C. Use the information to bludgeon the ISPs (OK, really that just means Comcast) in the press and in Congress to force change to facilitate faster, cheaper connections.

    So they can push more ads.

  11. Re:No Way In Hell. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Could you explain why? Since the ISP supplied the modem and your packets all travel through their tubes anyways, what additional vulnerabilities do you have by using their router?

    All packets don't travel through their tubes. If I access a shared disk, or a wifi camera, the packets go through the router, but not the modem. If the two devices are combined, the ISP has potential access to everything.