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Why Google Wants To Sell You a Wi-Fi Router
lpress writes: Last quarter, Google made $16 billion on advertising and $1.7 billion on "other sales." I don't know how "other sales" breaks down, but a chunk of that is hardware devices like the Pixel Chromebook, Chromecast, Next thermostat, Nexus phone and, now, WiFi routers. Does the world need another $200 home router? Why would Google bother? I can think of a couple of strategic reasons — they hope it will become a home-automation hub (competing with the Amazon Echo) and it will enable them to dynamically configure and upgrade your home or small office network for improved performance (hence more ads).
Comparing various Starbucks locations (suburban and next to college campuses) where AT&T wifi networks were replaced with Google wifi, I would not buy a Google wifi router at present. In each case, the Google service is worse than its predecessor. This surprises me, but all I have to do is listen to the complaints of the students around me to know that I am not alone in this feeling.
Not only does it spy on your every move, you pay $200 for the privilege and unlimited advertisement injection for all!
lpress the submitter, is literally linking to his own blog as an article for us to read.
They want to control your network. They want to inject advertising into everything you do. They want you to have no choice but to use DNS servers they control.
This isn't some benevolent endeavor, its purpose is to make money by selling you again.
When I bought a Libre router I was doing it more for privacy and because I care about free software. What I didn't realize was I was going to get the benefits of being able to get latest bells and whistles not found in other routers because of the proprietary bits. The router I bought was from ThinkPenguin.com and runs a distribution called Librecmc. That distribution only runs on a small # of routers because there aren't any proprietary bits supported. The result of that though is I get the latest kernel and software stack possible. Every few months there is a new release and one of the recent releases had the very latest kernel. Compared to other routers I own that would *never* happen. Even with other third party firmware I've noticed similar issues. But because of this I've got unbelievably low latency now. I might consider a upgrade if/when they start selling a higher end router, but I wouldn't switch back to a $200 router if I can't run LibreCMC. It's just not worth it.
I don't buy a router unless I can put openwrt on it. Too many router companies have been caught putting deliberate backdoors on their routers. Free software is the only way to prevent this.
Speculation hey?
1: Release Google Branded Router with a user friendly way of updating firmware.
2: Deploy routers to as many locations across the US/World as possible.
3: Introduce a patch allowing users to use some of their bandwidth as part of Google's 'Project Fi' (messaging & voice over WiFi).
4: Introduce a patch allowing users to share a small portion of their bandwidth with other users as part of Project Fi - extending googles network coverage.
Admittedly home users might not be so interested in sharing their bandwidth for text/voice but small business and community ventures in areas with poor cell coverage? I think this could definitely be something that would interest them :)
....they want to be able to mine your data at the lowest possible level, have a handy backdoor available in case the NSA comes calling, and so they can insert their own ads on every page of every website you ever browse.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
That's more likely what they're doing. Seeing how far they can expand the Fi network.
My ISP supplied DSL modem is a 'wi-fi router' as it is. That doesn't mean that I use it for anything of the sort. There is no way in hell that I want a carrier-accessible wi-fi router in my house. So I disable the wifi on the DSL modem and just use the Ethernet jack to connect the wifi router that I own and have (hopefully, still) the sole access to.
I know a couple of people who were involved in the development of OnHub and, FWIW, they say that the motivation was that there's a need for a Wifi router that performs better and is more secure. Not a strategic bet, just a perceived market opportunity which they thought Google was well-equipped to fill.
With regard to performance, the antenna design of the OnHub is supposed to be dramatically better than anything else on the market, and the device incorporates ideas from the Software Defined Networking stacks Google developed internally for its data centers, to optimize data flow. I wouldn't have thought there was much you could do to make Wifi work better, since the ISP connection is generally the bottleneck, but apparently there is. With respect to security, it adopts a number of ideas from ChromeOS, plus fully-automated updates. Probably the biggest security benefit compared to the competition is that security is actually a primary design goal, which isn't the impression I get from makers of home routers.
We'll see if OnHub actually is enough better than the competition to justify its premium price. Based on what I know of the people working on it I expect that it will. I ordered one.
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Yeah, I was thinking much the same, except slightly more cynically:
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Unfortunately the trend for the past 10-years has been ever worse consumer router hardware, a lack of security updates, decreasing performance and increasing prices. Further, a number of manufacturers have been going down the 'cloud' rathole. The industry is as bad as the telcos & cable, I for one welcome our new Google overlords.
While I'd rather run a pfsense box, these may still turn out to be much better than standard routers and be the one to recommend to your friends & family.
Could you explain why? Since the ISP supplied the modem and your packets all travel through their tubes anyways, what additional vulnerabilities do you have by using their router?
Serious question. I stopped scrutinizing my home networking gear when everything seemed "good enough", so apart from the fact that my isp could have me pwnd a number of different other ways, why should I be particularly worried about using the freebie router?
I don't think this is what Google had in mind, but I hope this will become part of their plan:
The real problem with Comcast isn't the connections to the home or to Comcast's servers, it's the routers which move traffic to other networks. Not just their peering relationships, but the hardware they overload along the way.
These devices have a network test function. They provide Google with a whole bunch of edge devices in the consumer Internet space which openly say they're going to communicate with Google. I'm hoping that Google will use these to map out ISP network and use the information to A. spoof DNS results to avoid overloaded equipment, B. Tattle on problems to partners to adjust BGP (or whatever ISPs are using now for routing tables), C. Use the information to bludgeon the ISPs (OK, really that just means Comcast) in the press and in Congress to force change to facilitate faster, cheaper connections.
So they can push more ads.
I think a key motive is simple.
Try to get people from using cheap Walmart wi-fi routers and get something more reliable.
Because most people will blame their ISP or website if their wi-fi sucks.
With a good connection that means more you tube and allows Google to implement more streaming type services.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Why not just add a gb or two for cache on the router? That'll speed up streaming for us, and google could store advertisements on it that would otherwise take more bandwidth.
Most people don't have a separate firewall applicance separating the internet vs their local network. The router is the point of separation and it has full access to the local network. Because it's part of my local network, I want control over it.
The ISP can do what they want with packets out in the internet side of things, but that's okay because I already consider the internet to be a potentially hostile environment.
Why not just add a gb or two for cache on the router? That'll speed up streaming for us, and google could store advertisements on it that would otherwise take more bandwidth.
nope, more buffering slows things down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bufferbloat
"When a router device is configured to use excessively large buffers, even very high-speed networks can become practically unusable for many interactive applications like voice calls, chat, and even web surfing."
Cache size and buffer size are not the same thing.
Could you explain why? Since the ISP supplied the modem and your packets all travel through their tubes anyways, what additional vulnerabilities do you have by using their router?
All packets don't travel through their tubes. If I access a shared disk, or a wifi camera, the packets go through the router, but not the modem. If the two devices are combined, the ISP has potential access to everything.
I use my ISP provided modem/router only as a gateway. They have no access or control over my wifi network. They have no need to know which or how many devices I have connected to my network. They are only the gateway. If I used their router they would have a presence on my wifi's subnet.
Uh hello spying.
Google will own the DNS. Google will packet sniff your network. Google will look at your Netflix habbits. Google will push ads through your router on all platforms.
Come on folks Google is not your friend or cool while MS is somehow evil that Windows 10 has telemetry data. The router is a great way for Google to continue what they are doing and I doubt it is philanthropy like they actually care about us. We are just products to sell ads and personal data by the highiest bidder!
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I've found that my ISP (Belgacom/Proximus) has gone in to my DSL router (modem, wifi etc all-in-one box), and turned on FON internet sharing despite us not being signed up for and me manually disabling it previously.
The ISP you worked for might be a-ok, but others sure as fuck aint.