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The Case For Teaching Ignorance

HughPickens.com writes: In the mid-1980s, a University of Arizona surgery professor, Marlys H. Witte, proposed teaching a class entitled "Introduction to Medical and Other Ignorance." Far too often, she believed, teachers fail to emphasize how much about a given topic is unknown. "Textbooks spend 8 to 10 pages on pancreatic cancer," said Witte, "without ever telling the student that we just don't know very much about it." Now Jamie Holmes writes in the NY Times that many scientific facts simply aren't solid and immutable, but are instead destined to be vigorously challenged and revised by successive generations. According to Homes, presenting ignorance as less extensive than it is, knowledge as more solid and more stable, and discovery as neater also leads students to misunderstand the interplay between answers and questions.

In 2006, a Columbia University neuroscientist named Stuart J. Firestein, began teaching a course on scientific ignorance after realizing, to his horror, that many of his students might have believed that we understand nearly everything about the brain. "This crucial element in science was being left out for the students," says Firestein."The undone part of science that gets us into the lab early and keeps us there late, the thing that "turns your crank," the very driving force of science, the exhilaration of the unknown, all this is missing from our classrooms. In short, we are failing to teach the ignorance, the most critical part of the whole operation." The time has come to "view ignorance as 'regular' rather than deviant," argue sociologists Matthias Gross and Linsey McGoey. Our students will be more curious — and more intelligently so — if, in addition to facts, they were equipped with theories of ignorance as well as theories of knowledge.

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  1. Ignorance? by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally a subject I can get a PhD in!
    Finally a topic where I don't need to read the summary!
    I've been prepared my whole life for this!

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    1. Re:Ignorance? by RenderSeven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And unlike most PhD degrees, this one has numerous career paths!

    2. Re:Ignorance? by VernonNemitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are two major types of ignorance, which we can call "passive" and "active".
      Passive ignorance is the same as simply not-knowing something. Like, we are ignorant of whether or not there are any living organisms on Mars.
      Active ignorance is the deliberate ignoring of facts. See the Flat Earth Society for an example of active ignorance, although there are plenty other offenders, like Creationists who claim the Earth is only a few thousand years old (so explain this), abortion opponents who claim the Earth isn't overpopulated (so explain this), etc.

    3. Re:Ignorance? by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      Next up, MBA!
      I better forget some things.......

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    4. Re:Ignorance? by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually I also disagree with the title... not because it's wrong but because it will be coopted by the truly ignorant to "prove" that everything they disagree with has no scientific basis. This is the academic equivalent of clickbait, with the unfortunate consequence of being distributed outside the academic community.

      I do think that the author has a point in that we are taught "best available" theory as fact. That's not wrong, however, it's only missing the concept that our school system has been ignoring for decades - actually teaching the basis of the scientific method, logic, critical thinking... not to mention applied statistics. All of these are necessary in the modern world to do the one important civic duty that most people exercise in a state of utter ignorance - voting.

      I have pursued a rather rigorous scientific training career (MD, PhD) and getting the PhD training really altered my way of thinking about the world, and learning how to ask questions that are appropriate, can be answered, and how to design ways to answer them. I can understand where they author is coming from. I just think that to truly understand what he is saying one needs much more training than lay people get, and this headline just gets me into more trouble when I talk to patients and they refuse to believe me cause they read in the paper that everything science does is bollocks.

    5. Re:Ignorance? by Chris+Johnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given that climate is Chaos in action, it might well be.

      The interesting thing is that we can know certain things, such as if the climate warms a few degrees, the energy fed into the system increases. Since it's a chaotic system, what it does is get even more chaotic and start coughing up crazier 'outlier' events, things we've not seen before. You get nutty stuff like snow in June and it's just because the total behavior of the system got more chaotic and more unpredictable.

      Predictably unpredictable, if you follow me. :)

      So we can predict with high confidence a sharply increasing quotient of WTFness in the already chaotic weather. To get it to behave more predictably, we'd have to cool the whole system down a couple degrees.

    6. Re:Ignorance? by khallow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since it's a chaotic system, what it does is get even more chaotic and start coughing up crazier 'outlier' events, things we've not seen before. You get nutty stuff like snow in June and it's just because the total behavior of the system got more chaotic and more unpredictable.

      Unless, of course, it doesn't do that.

      So we can predict with high confidence a sharply increasing quotient of WTFness in the already chaotic weather. To get it to behave more predictably, we'd have to cool the whole system down a couple degrees.

      Obviously, you can cool the system down enough, say near absolute zero, where it will be boring. But hot can be boring too. A diffuse plasma doesn't really have a lot of stuff going on in it either. Merely, having more energy doesn't make something harder to predict. It'll depend on the model and what you are trying to predict.

    7. Re:Ignorance? by ewibble · · Score: 2

      You are right suggesting the universe is a computer simulation no more scientific than believing there is a god (unless you have a way to prove it). There is nothing wrong with thinking about alternatives. The problem comes when you base your actions that cannot prove or disprove, and force other people to believe your speculation. Or state it as the "gospel truth" when it is just speculation.

      It may well be that I am imagining everybody else, but the moment I start killing other people because they are not really real it becomes a problem.

    8. Re:Ignorance? by bigwheel · · Score: 2

      If the earth is so fragile and chaotic, you'd think it would have destroyed itself over the last 4.5 billion years. Maybe some of those feedback loops are negative, creating stability rather than chaos?

      Anyone who thinks that the weather should stay exactly the same, hasn't been paying attention to what's been happening since forever.

  2. Agree with content, not the name by s.petry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Too many people will simply be turned off by the name. I fully agree that we are ignorant, but most people refuse to admit their own. We don't teach people to check facts or even show them how. We teach them to "Google" which returns the popular answer and that may not be correct (and probably is not).

    I could spend hours discussing "Classical" versus Industrial education. I could spend days explaining why teaching a rounded education is necessary and teaching only specialties runs counter to education. Liberal Arts (PHI) is essential, but most kids get a couple semesters of history instead.. and we wonder why people can't think critically, defend their own position, and perceive that disagreements with their opinions are personal attacks.

    Yeah, I got a college age kid so I see what's been happening.

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    1. Re:Agree with content, not the name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dear Jesus. I hope your teaching kids critical thinking before college. If not we'll, that's a damn shame and a failure. My 6 year old can explain why something is right or wrong or if we don't have enough information to make an informed decision. That's just because we taught him that it's ok to ask why and we'd explain everything to him even if it took forever.

    2. Re:Agree with content, not the name by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My 6 year old can explain why something is right or wrong

      That's not the same as critical thinking.

      That's just because we taught him that it's ok to ask why and we'd explain everything to him even if it took forever.

      Asking "why" and getting an answer isn't how you learn critical thinking.

      Critical thinking is more like, "We have fact A, B, C, and D. Do these make sense together? Where did these facts come from? Should I trust them? How can I improve my confidence level in these facts?"

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    3. Re:Agree with content, not the name by pr0fessor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Too many people will simply be turned off by the name.

      I agree, the words "ignorance" and "ignorant" are used far to often in a negative context. I can see how someone might think it insulting.

      When dealing with people you sometime have to choose your words carefully. "You may not have studied this..." is far less likely to cause an argument than "You may be ignorant of this..."

    4. Re:Agree with content, not the name by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, the words "ignorance" and "ignorant" are used far to often in a negative context. I can see how someone might think it insulting.

      Colleges have become obsessed with how students feel about words. That's the first thing to fix. Life doesn't care how you feel, and you can't be an adult without accepting that.

      In this specific case "ignorance" is the point. There's so much that humanity just doesn't know, and there always will be. The best thing my high school physics teacher taught me was "the bigger the island of knowledge, the bigger the shore of ignorance".

      Every question you answer provokes more questions you can't answer, and that's what science is all about. Heck, sometimes new discoveries reveal quite surprising degrees of ignorance in humanity. "Wow, look at that, 80% of the matter in the universe is something we know nothing at all about. 80%! The best we can say is it's some sort of particle, probably. We can't even call the stuff we're made of 'normal matter', as we're the outlier."

      Research only exists because of ignorance. That fact does need to be taught - we have too much unquestioning acceptance of science-as-religion these days (there's just no way to reconcile unquestioning acceptance of authority with critical thinking, regardless of the selected authority).

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    5. Re:Agree with content, not the name by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      I could spend hours discussing "Classical" versus Industrial education.

      I totally agree, and have been pointing out the distinction to anybody who'll listen for 20 or 30 years. However, what you call "classical education", I simply call "education", while what you call "industrial education", I call "job training".

      ...we wonder why people can't think critically, defend their own position, and perceive that disagreements with their opinions are personal attacks.

      Unfettered critical thinking among average citizens is not what corporate overlords want. People who can think critically and effectively, might put aside the bread and circuses and start asking embarrassing questions about concentration of wealth, war as an economic instrument, the propagandistic nature of Prime Time TV, corporations as persons, the 'economy' as a Ponzi scheme, etc.

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    6. Re:Agree with content, not the name by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      I think there is a deeper problem there. In the broader culture, ignorance seems to imply not just a lack of knowledge but also a lack of desire to remedy that lack of knowledge.

      They don't know it and don't want to know it.

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  3. Cosmology and Astrophysics Too by paradigmsareconstruc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a very large problem. We teach the students to memorize problem set recipes (aka exemplars), and the paradigm over time extends the exemplars to new observations regardless of how good the fit is. People then go online to criticize competing ideas, oftentimes without any awareness of the details of the debate. It's very rare to observe people running claims back-and-forth between the theorists and their critics -- and that's even though many theorists who disagree with the textbook theories make themselves available by email for rebuttals.

    We should teach scientific controversies, and we should be teaching them very differently than the other domains which might not significantly change for another hundred years. Currently, academia simply pretends that many longstanding controversies simply do not exist, and these controversies can predictably act as an innovation bottleneck over time. If all we did was show students that there are competing arguments which oftentimes differ at the point of the initial hypothesis, students would become far better at asking good research questions. And this single change to the way that we teach science could secure our technological lead for another century.

    Thank you for posting this article. It's honestly very rare to see here on Slashdot, and yet also very important.

  4. Awesome draw for budding scientists by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was in high school, I found anatomy and biology boring, because it seemed like memorizing a finalized taxonomy of living creatures' details. If I'd had an appreciation for both how insanely awesome living creatures' designs are and that there are lots of mysteries still to be solved, I'd have been far more likely to get into the field. Ditto for chemistry and physics.

    1. Re:Awesome draw for budding scientists by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ditto for chemistry and physics.

      Compared to biology, there's less taxonomy in chemistry and far less in physics.

      I'd say that as a highschooler, taxonomy made biology seem like a completed field, and the supposed explanatory power of Newton's laws (at a medium scale) and relativity made physics seem approximately completed. In both cases, I was left with a distinct lack of sense of wonder, because it seemed like ongoing research was just spending huge amounts of effort tidying up arcane little corners of the knowledge base.

  5. Re:Clickbait title ? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

    Oh wait, its a HughPickens post. Nevermind, I understand now, carry on.

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  6. I teach a course somewhat similar by edremy · · Score: 3, Insightful
    More on how we know things rather than how little we know, but it touches on a lot of the same issues. We spend a lot of time on the trial of Galileo and how we know the Earth goes around the Sun. It's far harder to show than most people think. If you exclude "I've seen photos from space" I suspect less than 1 in 100 people can give the correct answer of stellar parallax. Galileo proudly announced in 1610 that we'd soon see the proof - he was still waiting for anyone to see it by the time of his second trial in 1633. It wouldn't be officially discovered for 200 more years- so why was Galileo so sure he was right?

    Science isn't blindingly obvious- if it was someone would have discovered it ages ago. It's piecing together tiny bits of evidence until something coherent starts to become visible, and even then most of the time someone else comes and kicks apart your jigsaw puzzle with new data

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    1. Re:I teach a course somewhat similar by nine-times · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We spend a lot of time on the trial of Galileo and how we know the Earth goes around the Sun. It's far harder to show than most people think.

      I sometimes cite a similar example of Ptolemy. People too often thing the Ptolemaic model is stupid, but really it's very good at predicting the phenomena that people at the time would experience. Ptolemy wasn't stupid. IIRC, he seems to notice that the epicycles line up so that the centers seem to coincide. He even cites the example of being on a boat, watching the shore recede away when really the ship is moving, the way that motion seems relative to the observer, and relates this to the possibility that the earth is moving. He just doesn't have a firm reason to think that the earth is moving.

      It's easy now, in hindsight, to see that Newton's model is much better. It especially makes sense once you've had the opportunity to get up onto the moon and some other planets, and you know for a fact that they're made of the same material that Earth is made of. But then, even Newton's model isn't quite right, and a lot of physics these days ultimately come down to, "We don't really understand why things work the way that they do, and some of our rules don't seem to apply the same way at all times and at all levels, but we know enough to do most of the things we're trying to do." On a deep level, we still don't understand how time and space work.

  7. Re:Clickbait title ? by OakDragon · · Score: 2

    The original title was This Professor Suggests Teaching Ignorance : What Happens Next... I Can't Even.

  8. Good luck with that in the US by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2

    We don't teach how to fail in any segment of our schooling, which is somewhat necessary in addressing ignorance. Failure is taught to be avoided at all costs. Failure is mocked, ridiculed as a personal flaw instead of something that everyone experiences. We don't teach that failure is something that happens even when we've put our best effort into the work. That failure happens when you've done everything right and according to the rules. And in neither of those cases is failure something bad. It's just something that happens in life.

  9. Re:Not a bad idea by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

    Being ignorant is not the same as being wrong.

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  10. What causes gravity? by Snufu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That boggles the mind. Even something as fundamental to our daily experience as gravity, and we don't know what it is. We describe its effects, and we have a few theories about its cause, but when an apple falls out of a tree, we don't know why it falls to the ground.

    The fact of this ignorance should be taught in the first lesson.

    1. Re:What causes gravity? by strikethree · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Gravity is the result of space being curved in relation to time. Space and time are a result of energy being "tied in knots" to create matter. A black hole is literally the edge of the universe. There is no spacetime without matter. There is no matter without bound energy. Hence, the infinite point of energy for the big bang is the only descriptive term for a universe of pure energy since there is no matter to create space time.

      The big bang was a "cooling" of the energy, which solidified into matter. As matter was "created", spacetime was created and expanded as a result thereof. The rest is pretty clear at this point although the implications are not.

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  11. Not omitted, just not in flashing neon by macraig · · Score: 2

    When I was in elementary and high school, I learned the incompleteness of science well enough; it was not omitted, at least not for those who were actually interested enough to PAY ATTENTION. No, it wasn't described explicitly in big neon flashing letters, but honestly should it be? As I said, someone paying attention would have extrapolated this message. Don't we want scientists who are actually interested enough in the subject to pay attention to the messages not presented in neon?

  12. don't draw their attention by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.

    H.P. Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu

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  13. Sure, and I'll decide who's ignorant thank you by codeAlDente · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Teaching ignorance directly would require an honest assessment of things like religion, central banking, chiropractors, mathematical ability and pharmaceuticals. This would require strong tenure protection for an individual teacher, or it would likely devolve into trivialities and historical anecdotes that would lead students to assume that important questions are generally irrelevant or settled in modern times. One idea is that education exists to convey the certainty by which things are known, and to prepare students for critical thinking that will improve their estimates of factual certainty with time. Another idea is that education should firstly prepare students to be productive citizens. While these ideas are not always in conflict, knowledge and critical thinking will not be tolerated when money, ideology or power can be gained or preserved through ignorance.

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  14. Identifying the unknown inspires students by ganv · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When the instructor effectively places the material they are presenting in a larger framework including unknowns, it is often quite inspiring. Textbooks in mathematics and physics are the worst in this regard. They try to paint their presentation as the complete story on the subject and that leaves students bored. Even just a little bit of explaining the complex problems that are being sidestepped by the way the course material was chosen can greatly enliven a course. Even better, the students come out with an understanding of where the methods they learned will work and where they will not.

  15. It's under So-crates by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing."

    "That's us, dude." The Two Great Ones

  16. Re:Clickbait title ? by hey! · · Score: 2

    Well, I think it's more complicated than that. People are not just ignorant of the limitations of knowledge, they're ignorant of the limitations of ignorance.

    In fact, I'd say faulty appeals to ignorance are much more common here than faulty appeals to knowledge. People will say "How can we know X when we don't know Y?" when in fact it's quite possible to know X without Y, and in any case we actually know a lot more about Y than the poster thinks.

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  17. ``Open Problems in Medicine'' by IHTFISP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In mathematics & computer science, we tend to more charitably call these ``open problems''.

    For example, German mathematician David Hilbert made a quite inspiring list of 23 of them in 1900, many of which are now famously only partially resolved (e.g., Hilbert's 2nd is only partially resolved due to Gödel's second incompleteness theorem) while others have only recently been resolved to great fanfare (e.g., Hilbert's 10th involves Gödel's first incompleteness theorem and relates to Fermat's Last Theorem), and a few others stubbornly defy proof or disproof still to this day (e.g., The Riemann Hypothesis is Hilbert's 8th).

    Beyond Hilbert, the open problem to determine whether P = NP still intrigues, inspires and stymies many computer scientists to this day.

    But perhaps a more fitting term for the field of medicine, though, might be ``remaining mysteries in medicine'' or some such, since they may view unresolved questions in treatment, diagnosis, and underlying mechanisms more as mysteries than as problems per se?

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  18. Re:Not so ... by tnk1 · · Score: 2

    I think the idea is to actually teach students where we have gaps in our ability to explain things.

    There are many things that are taken to be scientific facts which are anything but proven, and you'd know that if you asked certain experts in the fields.

    The problem is that many of us assume that we collectively know more than we actually do, and it gives students the incorrect idea that there is nothing more to be learned, or that they will be doing relatively trivial research. In that sense, we need to explain where the frontiers are, and some of them are hiding in places we didn't expect them to be.

    It's not really a course on being ignorant, it is a course to help students to learn where to start looking to find unsolved mysteries.

    Such a course would be hugely important because it allows us to discover more questions to answer as well as giving some motivation to those who might otherwise be bored or disheartened by the lack of a frontier.

  19. Bad assumptions by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    The data should always be king--not the math--inconsistencies should point the finger at the math and theories, not the other way around.

    Except when the data are "bad". The most recent example of this was the Opera experiment's claim to have observed faster that light neutrinos. That's what their data said...at least until someone found that their GPS cable was loose.

    Experimental science is never that cut and dried. The data may always be right given the experiment performed but, as the Opera case shows, that may not be the experiment which you think you had performed. The result is that there is always a tension when theory and data contradict: is it because the theory is wrong or is it because of an invalid assumption when interpreting the data?

    No, new theories do not have to look mathematically connected to the math of old theories--this is the root problem--assuming that the old theories are *proven* and *correct*.

    Here you have taken a position which contradicts your earlier one. We believe old theories *because* they are consistent with the data we have so far. Hence, by logical extension, any new theory must also be consistent with that same data otherwise we would point to that data and say "see it disagrees with data and so it must be wrong!". Within the precision of existing data any new theory *must* have identical predictions, i.e. an identical mathematical form, to the previous theory under the conditions where the old theory has already been tested and confirmed. It can only vary under situations where the old theory has not yet been tested.