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Where the Tech Industry's Political Donations Are Going

An anonymous reader writes: Early estimates suggest the 2016 U.S. presidential election will result in $5-10 billion in spending by candidates and organizations — much more than ever before. To support this, they need lots of contributions, and the tech industry is becoming a significant player. (Not as much as the financial industry, of course, but tech's influence is growing.) Re/Code breaks down which candidates are getting the most money from the tech sector so far. Right now, Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) has gotten the most tech money by far — more than the rest of the field combined, thanks in large part to Larry Ellison. Jeb Bush, former governor of Florida, is a distant second, followed closely by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). New Jersey governor Chris Christie and Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) are the only other candidates with significant tech contributions so far. Carly Fiorina, a tech industry veteran, has only managed about $13,000 in donations.

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  1. No surprise by erp_consultant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And Rubio supports increasing H1-B visas threefold. Coincidence? I think not.

    1. Re:No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with no healthcare

    2. Re: No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is the best government that money can buy.

    3. Re:No surprise by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Rubio is one of those politicians who is willing to change his opinion to.....whatever.....if it wins him the election. Smooth guy.

      That doesn't mean he'll lose. People sometimes vote for the slimeball who does what they want over the principled guy who doesn't. But it means as president he'll be an ineffective and weak leader, because he won't be able to convince people to follow him. Instead, he's a follower.

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    4. Re:No surprise by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      Yeah he seems just a little too slick for my liking. He has flip flopped on Immigration a few times as well. Of course, he is not alone in that respect. Hillary and Obama have done this as well. Gay marriage, middle east, immigration issues. Sadly it is more the exception than the rule these days.

    5. Re:No surprise by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The big difference between Obama and Rubio is that I have a good idea where Obama actually stood on those issues. Yeah, he said he opposed gay marriage, but did anyone actually believe him? Whereas with Rubio, I could easily see him switching parties to democrat if that were convenient.

      On the other hand, I'm not really sure what Hillary would do as president, either.

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    6. Re:No surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, nobody knew where Obama stood on *anything* before he was elected.

      That's precisely why he was elected. He had no voting history to use as baggage.

  2. I'd pay Carly money too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lots of money, to go away.

    1. Re:I'd pay Carly money too. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Holy shit your politicians are expensive! In any decent country you could buy one for a few tens or hundreds of thousands. Sheesh, gimme the "$5-10 billion in spending" and I'll buy you most of Africa, that's much better value for money.

      (Plus, people there are a lot less critical about what you do with your government once you've bought it).

  3. anti H1B job protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I imagine most tech workers, in a hypocritical bid to protect their own jobs after participating in the destruction of most of the American workforce, will find out who will ban H1B program and vote that way. It harkens back to the old saw, vote your wallet. Unfortunately protectionism never works and paying artifically inflated wages when there are other people willing to do the job for significantly less money usually results in companies either moving offshore of closing entirely. But, still, I imagine this is how things will go.

    1. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Interesting

      after participating in the destruction of most of the American workforce

      As far as I'm aware most of the American workforce is still working. Even if it wasn't you'd have to explain exactly how tech workers destroyed their jobs.

      Unfortunately protectionism never works

      Protectionism works great quite a lot of the time, it's how China manages its economy along with currency manipulation which is pretty much the same thing.

    2. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      paying artifically inflated wages when there are other people willing to do the job for significantly less money

      The I.T. support jobs in Silicon Valley that paid $25 per hour last year are now paying $30+ per hour today. From what recruiters are telling me, it's difficult to lure young hipsters who want to work and live in San Francisco to work in Silicon Valley. Hence, the pay rate and related perks are going up.

    3. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by tnk1 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Protectionism is a short term solution at best. China is either betting that they are smarter than history, or they are betting they can quick start their economy before they have to deal with the fallout.

    4. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot and I'd be amazed if you lived in a first world country. If you do, you're either unemployed or working for the government in some sort of make-work position.

      The technology industry destroyed as many jobs as inventions such as: the washing machine, the loom, the automated assembly line, the motorized plow, the automobile, etc.

      As for artificially inflated wages, it takes a relatively high wage to create, sustain, and live in a first world society. Furthermore, good segments of the technology industry typically require workers with education degrees that are more difficult to earn.

      But sure, if we were to believe your drivel, the wages of people in Vietnam and India are the "correct" price. That's why those countries are so awesome and everyone on the planet wants to move to those places.

    5. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Informative

      And what do you think farming subsidies in developed countries are but protectionism? The Common Agricultural Policy in Europe has been rocking for almost sixty years now, and similar policies are in place in the US as far as I'm aware. These exist so you don't have to rely on whichever third world despot can whip his citizens the hardest for your basic food supply, but essentially they're strategic economic protectionism. Here's a good example of successful protectionism.

        1. The Japanese government has used a plethora of constantly evolving regulations to keep the combined share of all non-Japanese automakers to just 4 percent of the Japanese market. The share never varies, whether the yen is strong or weak. (The yen is up nearly 50 percent against the dollar in the last five years.)
      2. The Detroit corporations, in common with all major automakers, make many cars in Europe configured for Britain’s drive-on-the-left roads, and by extension for Japan’s. They also make countless components and assemblies that have been shut out of Japan for no other reason than that they are not made there.
      3. Even Volkswagen, which sells broadly as many cars around the world as Toyota, has been allocated—that is the right word—just 1 percent of the Japanese market; by contrast Toyota’s share is close to 40 percent. (Volkswagen is lucky, incidentally: Hyundai’s share is 0.02 percent and Daewoo’s 0.003 percent, and this in a country where close to 1 percent of the people are ethnic Koreans.) ...

      Perhaps the most graphic evidence of Tokyo’s true policy has been the story of the Renault-Nissan alliance. Originally established in 1999 and consolidated in subsequent years, this odd-couple partnership ostensibly gave Paris-based Renault control of Yokohama-based Nissan. In a powerful symbol of Japan’s ostensible acquiescence to American-style globalization, Renault’s Carlos Ghosn was even installed as simultaneous chief executive of both companies.

      Given that Renault enjoyed a fundamental advantage in lower French wages and was more than a match for Nissan managerially, many observers expected it to make big inroads in the Japanese market. After all, the Nissan distribution chain—Japan’s second largest—was now ostensibly Ghosn’s to reshape. As reported by the BBC in 2005, the two companies were “expected to go through a process of rapid integration.” In particular they hoped to achieve savings through “jointly owned distribution subsidiaries.”

      To the extent that the companies have cooperated on distribution, however, this has been confined entirely to markets beyond Japan. In the Japanese home market, Nissan has kept its distribution system strictly off-limits to Renault. The result is that, far from increasing, Renault’s Japanese market share has dropped from a negligible 0.08 percent in 1999 to a totally insulting 0.04 percent in 2009, the latest year for which figures are available. Indeed, to the extent that the company’s brand is known at all on Japanese roads, it is as a minor brand of Taiwanese-made bicycles!

      And this is just the beginning of Renault’s woes. Judged by growth in total global sales, Renault has consistently been a hopeless also-ran, whereas Nissan has been a star performer. (Renault’s global sales are up less than 15 percent since the first full year of the partnership, whereas Nissan’s have zoomed nearly 78 percent. Nissan’s success has been attributable not least to increasing inroads in Renault’s home turf of Western Europe.)

    6. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Think of that more as resource protectionism. You've unwittingly brought up a great example that destroys your entire argument. Nobody cares how many people are employed on farms, or how much those people make. We encourage legal migrant workers to come work on our farms to keep costs low and even look the other way most of the time on illegal migrants (wink wink). That our agricultural system needs to continue to function efficiently and at high capacity is a matter of national security, really, and that is the reason those subsidies exist - to keep farmers in business in lean years. If using cheap foreign labor helps that goal then we tacitly encourage it. If only the tech sector worked the same way, most of the jobs might actually stand a chance of staying in the US. As it is, most will be gone inside of 20 years.

    7. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That our agricultural system needs to continue to function efficiently and at high capacity is a matter of national security, really, and that is the reason those subsidies exist - to keep farmers in business in lean years.

      Farming subsidies exist to keep the famers competitive every year.

      If using cheap foreign labor helps that goal then we tacitly encourage it. If only the tech sector worked the same way, most of the jobs might actually stand a chance of staying in the US. As it is, most will be gone inside of 20 years.

      So, you're saying cheap foreign labour will keep jobs in the US? There's no world in which this makes sense. Also I note you didn't address the lengthy exposition on successful Japanese protectionism I included. I can find plenty of other examples if you like. Protectionism done injudiciously doesn't work, but managed properly it's one hell of an arrow in the national quiver.

    8. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      One small problem: Just try and find a place that you can rent on a $30/hr wage in that area, without having to commute 120 minutes or more in total each workday.

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    9. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I make $25 per hour and pay $1,400 per month for a studio apartment in San Jose. I take an express bus to Palo Alto for $140 per month. My total commute time is 120 minutes per day (or less, depending on freeway traffic), where I read the Wall Street Journal in the morning and The New York Times in the afternoon.

    10. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by mjm1231 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Knee jerk reactions are certainly popular among slashdot posters. For the rest of us, being informed about how immigration actually affects economic growth and wages is probably a good idea. Start with a conservative perspective, so you know you aren't getting a pro-immigrant bias:

      http://www.hoover.org/research...

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    11. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Ewwww, you take public transportation. How un-American of you.

      *backs away slowly, makes sign of the cross, calls DHS*

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    12. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      You should educate yourself on the benefits of public transportation. An informed opinion is better than an ignorant opinion.

      http://www.publictransportation.org/news/facts/Pages/default.aspx

    13. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Sixty years is nothing. Just about anything can work for a handful of decades if there is enough will behind it. Ultimately you build up an unstable exclusionary area that keeps wages and value artificially high and something comes through and knocks it over, hard.

      The reason that Japan and China are now competing with us is the fact that they have low priced labor that can do many things that workers in Western countries did do which is non-complex and required little skill, but still paid well. We attempted to keep our wages artificially high through regulations and contract negotiations. We see how that worked out.

      Now, if you're talking about strategic regulation of certain resources, that is a different beast. You need to have locally grown food, so you ensure it is grown here. You want locally drilled oil, so you drill locally. But that's about maintaining a strategic reserve, not about maintaining high wages. You are willing to pay more for locally sourced goods and services, but there's a limit to what is needed for that and more importantly, what the market can bear. That's why you have migrant workers on our farms, we need to not import food, but US workers either don't want to do that work, or they don't want the crap pay that comes with it.

      Sure, certain regulations might keep farms or *corporations* in the US, but they don't keep wages high. You can't make a competitive product with high wages unless those wages are borne out by the market.

      As I said, anything can work for awhile, but ultimately protectionism either falls or your economy ceases to grow in those sectors. There's only so much of something that you can sell within your own borders at rates inflated by artificially high labor costs. Certainly, no one needs to put up with that with software, which is absurdly easy to import.

    14. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      The reason that Japan and China are now competing with us is the fact that they have low priced labor

      Japan's labour is anything but low priced.

      which is non-complex and required little skill

      What? We're talking about Japan here?

    15. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Protectionism works great quite a lot of the time, it's how China manages its economy along with currency manipulation which is pretty much the same thing.

      You seem to be unaware of the enormous crash coming soon to China's economy.

      Also, the point about protectionism is the irony of rugged individualistic free marketeers suddenly deciding that government intervention is fine as long as it's just for their benefit.

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    16. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Automation has hit the agriculture industry. Unmanned machines can pick, wash, select, package different foods from vegetables to many fruits.
      And with drip irrigation (thank you Israel), California farmers will prosper.

      So, many many fewer H1B visitors for agriculture. What is left? Manufacturing? The Corps have shipped the jobs off shore.
      Software engineering -- Offshore education and skills are at a higher level than what we find in North America.
      Industrial Engineering -- some (erecting a large building needs onsite qualified intelligent engineers. Are there enough domestic engineers with those skills?
      Want more. Just add your findings to this list

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    17. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      quick start?
      They have been doing this for the last 30 years. What exactly do you think made them go so fast.
      Hell, with the clinton-china accord they were supposed to dump all of their subsidies, tariffs, etc. AND quit manipulating their money. Not a THING has been done.

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    18. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that offshore education and skills are better in software, then you obviously have never worked around the world. America remains a powerhouse on this. The problem is that nations like India have manipulated their money to lower the pay down to below 10K (which is exactly why every major store that was hacked over the last few years had windows and offshored to India; less than 80K from Russians make it possible to buy backdoors in code).
      The other one is Europe who is increasingly blocking American software while dumping on the American market..
      And as one that has worked with German's, Brits, and Swedes, I can tell you that America is superior to that bunch as well.

    19. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      The problem is not that we have immigrants moving to America. The REAL issue is that they move here under H1B which means that they work only for 1 company getting paid extremely low wages and most will return to their home.
      What is needed is to REMOVE the [HL]1B programs, and then allow for more visas. Basically, it is not a problem to have talented ppl move to America. It is only a problem when they are replacing other ppl at much lower wages due to artificial constraints.

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    20. Re:anti H1B job protectionism by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Woosh!

  4. When we say "tech industry" ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We should be very clear this means "the (m|b)illionaire CEOs of tech corporations who are using company money to advance their own agendas".

    This is all about corporations doing what serves the interests of the rich people in charge ... which means it's really a measure of how influential CEOs are, and is in no way representative of the thousands of people who work for those companies.

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    1. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why Larry Lessig/Bernie Sanders is a dream ticket!

    2. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by tomhath · · Score: 2

      First, donating to politicians to advance one's own agenda is a sold as politics. It's not like these guys (COE or otherwise) are doing anything new.

      Second, it the "thousands of people" have a different agenda they can (and do) contribute.

      It's also not clear what Ellison's agenda really is here; maybe H1b, maybe immigration, maybe something else that has nothing to do with Oracle. Who knows?

    3. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      s/a sold/as old

      Same thing I guess...

    4. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then buy some stock. Let the CEO make some money for you instead. That's their job!

    5. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      which means it's really a measure of how influential CEOs are, and is in no way representative of the thousands of people who work for those companies.

      I don't see any rules that require those thousands of people who work for those companies to vote for any specific politician. The money should not make one bit of difference.

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    6. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      It is not about requiring votes from employees. It is about influencing voters at large. The number political ad impressions is generally much larger than the number of people who work for the company whose money pays for the ad.

      An impression doesn't usually make a huge difference... but it does make an amount of difference that is measurably as large or larger than "one bit".

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    7. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which means it's really a measure of how influential CEOs are, and is in no way representative of the thousands of people who work for those companies.

      I don't see any rules that require those thousands of people who work for those companies to vote for any specific politician. The money should not make one bit of difference.

      You obviously have not met very many "typical voters." If you had, you would know the typical voter isn't smart enough to vote in a way that is best for the country and best for himself. Just consider all the Americans who are outraged at higher inheritance taxes. You'd think that everyone in the U.S. had a net worth greater than $10mn.

    8. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The voters have to have their own personal 'epiphanies' and break away from the 'influence'. But let's not blame the influence. The real issue is that those won't resist and just want to play along. In the animal world the rules are absolute. We can make things a bit more 'fluid' if we ever decide to lose the fear. The simple fact is that we must be held responsible for our choices, and we shouldn't go crying when bad choices produce undesired results. It is the voter that gives value to the campaign dollar. The voter can, if he so desires, reduce that value to zero at any time.

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    9. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      You are naive if you believe that companies spend billions of dollars each year on something that doesn't work. Just because people can be strong-willed enough to completely ignore all influence that advertisements carry, doesn't mean they actually are.

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    10. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Where did I say any different?

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    11. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great example. Let me run it down for you.
      1. It's best for me that inheritance tax be low or gone because with luck I might be a multimillionaire before I die.
      2. It's best for me that inheritance tax be low or gone because it is unfair of the government to take money that people have worked their whole life for and prevent them from giving to their children.
      3. It's best for me that all taxes be low because the less money the federal government has the less they can interfere in my and other people's lives.
      4. It's best for me that inheritance tax be low or gone because with luck my children might be multimillionaires and it is unfair of the government to take money that my children have worked their whole life for and prevent them from giving to my grandchildren.
      5. It is best that the federal government be as unable as possible to interfere in my life and keeping it poor would do that if we could stop it from printing its own increasingly worthless money.

    12. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Here:

      The money should not make one bit of difference.

      Another problem with your logic is when you say people shouldn't go crying when their bad choices produce undesired results, but those results affect people who made informed choices.

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    13. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The money should not make one bit of difference.... You saw that, right? The fact that it does is the problem. It is a result of our desire, nothing to do with the money itself. Controlling the desire is where the effort needs to be directed. The object really does not make a difference, money, sex, drugs, the same rules apply. But, it's much easier to project our own foibles onto something/someone else, and spend the next few millennia "debating" it. Yes, I live in blessed naivete (ironically I survive in spite it all), but between you, me, and the lamppost, I think I get to see the better show.

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    14. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Controlling the desire is where the effort needs to be directed.

      Ok, so how would we do that?

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      All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
    15. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Practice, my dear, practice...

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    16. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet:

      It's best for me that there is an inheritance tax as it steps up the basis of everything under when it kicks in. For that year that there was no inheritance tax there was no step up in basis, so the rich get to pass on all their money without tax (but no basis step up). Where the poor people (everybody) lost out on the step up in basis.

    17. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      You misunderstand. How should we as a society create this control over such desires?

      We can't put it on the people. You can't expect people, through self-control, curb their desires not to self-control...

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    18. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      So, what then? You just going to say we're stuck? Sorry, all choices are personal.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    19. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      These choices are personal, but not all are adequately informed. It's a problem when someone with a lot of money gets to decide the information which people will see when making such choices. That's an area that can be improved.

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    20. Re:When we say "tech industry" ... by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well, nobody is going to come and rescue us. We are on our own.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  5. One more industry to hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting involved in the political arena is just the latest sign that the tech industry is looking for government handouts abroad.

    1. Re:One more industry to hate by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Prior to the antitrust case filed by the Justice Department, Microsoft spent zero dollars on Washington lobbyist. Afterward, Microsoft spent $100M+ per year on Washington lobbyists. Some story with other Silicon Valley companies. You can't make billions of dollars without paying the piper in Washington.

    2. Re:One more industry to hate by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's a nice piece software you have there. It would be a shame if it were illegal tomorrow.

    3. Re:One more industry to hate by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Well technically you can, but if you don't you leave yourself exposed to enemies and competitors who will pay the piper to go after you.

    4. Re:One more industry to hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes more like this:

      Hey asshole, unless you want Congress looking into this SW thing more, open up an office here in Washington and hire exactly who we tell you to hire and pay them exactly what we tell you to pay them. Got it Bill?

    5. Re:One more industry to hate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't keep 100 billion dollars offshore and tax-free without paying the piper in Washington his 0.1% per year.

  6. More advertising and spying of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Subject says it all.

  7. this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the donations of a few rich plutocrats who siphon their cash from technology companies does not represent the tech industry's views or opinions, not in aggregate, not even a significant minority bloc of opinions

    larry ellison? really? shouldn't we say he represents yacht buyer's political donations? that's much more accurate

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    1. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You have a free will, right? Just don't vote for the people who take their money. Otherwise don't complain. Problem solved.

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    2. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you have money to spend you influence media, which influences' people's attitudes. people don't derive attitudes in a free will vacuum. they hear positive things about candidates, paid for by the candidates, and they gravitate to those candidates. or they hear negative things about the actually better candidate, because the attacks are paid for, and they gravitate to the plutocrat's stooge. so the tendency to have a lot of money results in the tendency to win elections

      welcome to reality

      now try to form an actually valid and intelligent opinion, rather than your know-nothing purposeful intellectual dishonesty, or outright low intelligence ignorance

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    3. Re: this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that after weighting my vote in upstate NY doesn't really count.

    4. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh, do what you want, but while you're trolling away here, try to hit the right target. The problem is the voter is just goes along to get along. People like you, it seems. Don't rock the boat. Don't tip the apple cart. Wouldn't want to jeopardize the value of the pennies in your pocket. Just keep the game going.

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    5. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ah, blamers who can't handle the truth with points again. This always confirms everything about the idiocy of the average voter and why majority rule is up against a brick wall. It gives morons control of our government, and the narrative. Something has to give.

    6. Re: this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean you have to give in to the bullshit. Those that do are the problem, not just part of it.

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    7. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

      ah yes, the problem is human nature itself

      if only human beings didn't behave like human beings always have and always will, the world would be a better place

      thanks for the dumbfucking obvious observation

      but, at some point, perhaps you would actually like to try solve the actual fucking problem, *working within the actual fucking parameters of reality*: the human condition

      then the crap you spew might be worth something

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      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    8. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh... Be a chimp and follow along, I don't really care. I just like the way you get excited and stuff. The 'system' loves you, and you love it!

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    9. Re: this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      This is why I believe New York state should be broken up, along with a bunch of other places around the country. "Upstate" New York should be split off from the NYC metro area, and given a new name and made a separate state. NYS is already one of the most populous states, so breaking off the upstate part will bring its population in line with other east coast states, and will still probably be one of the larger ones. Then the metro NYC area should be made into a new city-state, but by combining it with the surrounding states of NJ and CT. The northern half of NJ should be made part of the new NYC state, along with the western side of CT (especially the Stamford area). Of course, Long Island would also be part of NYC-state.

      The southern half of NJ should be combined with Philly into another city-state, broken off from Pennsylvania. Then the remains of Connecticut (I'm not exactly sure where to draw the line) should be combined with Rhode Island. This will give us a total of 50 states, same as now. But we'll have two new city-states where the metro areas don't cross state boundaries (providing much greater administrative efficiency and better services, especially with transit), and the populations will be more balanced, with RI gaining a lot of population so they don't so much undue representation in Congress, and the citizens of NYS, NYC, and Philly all gaining representation in the Senate (because their two senators each will answer to fewer citizens). Also importantly, states with vastly different cultures will be separated so that state-wide politics have less infighting (upstate NYS vs. NYC, Philly vs. the rest of PA), and the people of each new state can have a state government that answers to them better, instead of constantly arguing with urban/rural people in the other part of the state about how things should be run.

    10. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

      you're not arguing against a system, you're arguing against the reality of human nature

      your thoughts are invalid because you imagine the solution to our problems is to just make people behave in a new way. a way humans never did behave, and never will

      you need to make peace with certain ugly aspects of reality you currently reject or unaware of. then put forth solutions that work within those confines. currently you criticize me. that's called shooting the messenger. i'm not supporting the ugly status quo you dislike. i dislike the status quo too. but i realize there is no changing certain ugly aspects of human reality, while you imagine i'm some fool who supports the ugliness

      you think that you're some brave soul fighting a nefarious system, when in reality you're just a social retard who doesn't understand basic human nature

      you don't matter to what you care about. because you don't understand the topic you inject your ignorance into

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    11. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      It is not human nature. Don't try to separate us. All of 'nature' responds to its environment precisely the same way. To become human you must transcend those desires, described as the *Seven Deadly Sins*. You are just following the herd. I will not blame you for that, self preservation and stuff works that way. I don't argue with proven survival traits. The only human thing you express are the denials (and the projection, of course). The rest is right out of the savanna.

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    12. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      you want us to transcend the seven deadly sins to achieve our goals

      ok, got it

      why do i even bother responding to these socially retarded wackjobs?

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    13. Re: this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      yes this, redistricting is always beneficial and can never be used to manipulate the vote.

    14. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      If you find another way, let us know. In the meantime feel free to keep flinging your poop. Your little show really is quite the sight.

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    15. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i have found another way. work within the parameters of a fallible human nature

      your "way" is to insist we all become saints first

      you're a moron. socially retarded. not a baseless insult, an objective description of the quality of your "thinking" on this topic

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    16. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Okay, so you're a follower, nuzzling up to the alpha. Good for you!

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    17. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      you should read what someone writes

      then form a response

      rather than regurgitating canned crap that has nothing to do with what someone said

      if you just want to have arguments with boogeymen that only exist in your head, you don't even need the internet for that

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    18. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1
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    19. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by skam240 · · Score: 1

      So then Marx was right all along and everyone else was the problem? After all what you seem to describe is what Marx laid out as necessary for communism to work.

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    20. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The issue and your choices are entirely personal. The cumulative choices made by all of us results in what you see today.

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    21. Re: this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      This isn't "redistricting" per se, it's redrawing state boundaries to better serve the voters.

      How you draw political boundaries is always going to affect the vote; there's no way around it. The alternative is to never draw any political boundaries at all, which means not having any kind of government, which is of course throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Or you can just leave everything the way it is, which means you can never fix anything or improve it. Why do you think that whoever drew those boundaries decades or centuries ago got them perfectly right the first time, and that they never need adjusting to account for change?

    22. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by skam240 · · Score: 1

      Petty and weak retort (not to mention condescending). His point is spot on. Your solution to humanity's problems seems to be we all have to become saints. Hasnt that been the goal of almost every major religion since civization began? Don't get me wrong, it's a noble ideal but humanity has made zero progress on this over the course of its history. What little "progress" you can point to is a function of wealth, take that away and we regress. History is full of examples of this.

      Working within the bounds of our limitations is infinitly more practicle then waiting for some sort of progress. Your solution seems to me like giving up physical infastructure to support our economies since someday science will let us transcend our bodies and live us pure energy.

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    23. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      not to mention condescending

      He's just a fucking screaming troll who doesn't think. He likes it...

      What I said was the 'solution' to humanity's problems is to become humane. I said nothing about giving up anything, except the desire to subjugate others to reach your goal. It's just not necessary for humans. In theory we know better. But primitive instinct still prevails, and all our intellect is there to serve. You are perfectly welcome to stay in your cage. The choice is entirely personal. I said nothing more than *the door is open*. You are free to step out. You are also free to correctly interpret what I originally posted. What I suggest is really quite trivial, like flipping a switch. Turn your back, and the campaign dollar equals zero or less. Do not deny the power you have.

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    24. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're being condescending by standing on high as an enlightened soul and personalising your responces to the individual (which is why you're getting hostile responces). Whose to say what choices i make in this context? I certainly havent stated how i personally behave. What i'm advocating for though is policy that deals with human nature as it is, not as we'd like it to be. It doesnt take much of a look at history to tell you that if you base policy on the way people "should be" rather then how they really are you're pretty much doomed to failure.

      Basically, I'm siting human history to support my claim and you're name calling

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    25. Re:this has nothing to dow ith the tech industry by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Eh, your choice. You can stagnate, or evolve and progress. I'm not here to advise you which choice to make. It's entirely up to you. I make no judgement.

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  8. Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by nomad63 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After slaughtering a once a beloved tech company, HP, and causing a big grief at Lucent, is this a big surprise that Carly Fiorina is not getting any love from the tech sector ? I think she should not be allowed to make decision even on her behalf, let alone technology or god forbid United States.

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    1. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by c · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised she still managed to get $13,000 worth of love from the tech industry.

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    2. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holly Crap! That bitch is running for president?

      Suddenly the thought of Trumphttp://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/08/31/1459201/where-the-tech-industrys-political-donations-are-going# gaining the nomination is not so ominous.

    3. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would happily vote for Carly if she ran for president of ISIS. It would be the quickest way to completely eradicate them.

    4. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, I'll take Trump any day over Fiorina. At least he has a reputation for usually getting NYC construction projects done, instead of driving successful, venerable companies into the ground and then trying to blame it on the economy.

    5. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Apparently, her mom lives in Silicon Valley?

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    6. Re:Carly Fiorina ?? Oh My Gawd !!! by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, if she were still CEO of HP, she'd be getting lots of donations to run for president - from HP employees and shareholders.

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  9. Interesting by fey000 · · Score: 1

    ...Carly Fiorina, a tech industry veteran, has only managed about $13,000 in donations.

    I wonder what it says about the industry when the one person with actual experience of it is the one not getting donations. Could it reflect on H1-B visas?

    1. Re:Interesting by gtall · · Score: 2

      Carly Fiorina, support the woman to do to the U.S. what she did to HP!!!

    2. Re:Interesting by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Carly Fiorina, support the woman to do to the U.S. what she did to HP!!!

      You mean taking an entity that used to make cutting-edge, ultra-high-quality, high-profit stuff and instead making low-profit generic cookie-cutter crap? Basically instead of competing with Germany, she wants us to compete with China?

      BTW, has anyone else here used an HP business laptop recently? WTF is with the horrible keyboard layout?

  10. 435 days to go until Election Day 2016 by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    please shut up about this for another year.

    1. Re:435 days to go until Election Day 2016 by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, there are primaries between now and then. And the first primaries are in only like 5 months.

      Still seems like it's really early, but not 1 year+ early

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    2. Re:435 days to go until Election Day 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please shut up about this for another year.

      Do us all a favor and don't vote. We don't need uninformed voters voting.

  11. Way to leave out Bernie Sanders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Ranked 4th on the chart but they don't discuss his campaign at all.

    1. Re:Way to leave out Bernie Sanders by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Candidates that scare them get ignored. Not unlike how Ron Paul was placing in the primaries in previous elections yet wasn't discussed much by mainstream media. For this election cycle we were clearly told that the preselected candidates were Clinton II vs Bush III, with an outside chance of Bush III being replaced by Rubio. Sanders is not supposed to get taken seriously, and the fact that he is getting traction could upset the script. Trump is definitely a wildcard that they didn't expect to get much traction either, he could also upset the script. Trump vs Sanders would be awesome as then things have no chance of going according to plan for the political elites.

    2. Re:Way to leave out Bernie Sanders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bernie "free stuff for everyone" Sanders is a joke candidate that has no chance of winning. Once it gets closer to election time everyone outside of Reddit will forget he exists.

  12. we know she ruins what she runs by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people in tech, or business, know Fiorina as the person who ruined HP. So the lack of support for her may indicate that most people don't want the country ruined.

    Well, they don't THINK they want it ruined, anyway. They may well be uninformed such that they advocate for policies which have been ruinous to countries and states which have tried them. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it and all.

    1. Re:we know she ruins what she runs by GlennC · · Score: 1

      So the lack of support for her may indicate that most people don't want the country ruined.

      At least, they don't want it ruined by her. It will be ruined by someone else.

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  13. Trump sound better everyday by mrlinux11 · · Score: 0

    At least he does not need contributions, on top of wanting to eliminate H1-B visas

  14. After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After the demonization of Brendan Eich for his personal donation in support of CA Proposition 8, the writing is on the wall. You can expect that most big tech donors of all stripes, regardless of party or political stance, will donate to political causes through the Super PAC of their choice.

    1. Re:After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Possibly, but not many tech people are at Eich's level. I know I'm never going to be CEO of any well-known company, for instance, and neither are most of the other people here. Of course, most conservatives these days seem to think that they're all millionaires who are temporarily down on their luck, even when they're living in a trailer, so they could very act the way you describe anyway.

      Anyhow, there's a big difference between supporting a *candidate* and supporting a particular *law* (proposition). You can always argue that you liked the candidate and/or his/her stand on the issues. Even if it comes down to the H1B issue, you can argue that you believe the program is mismanaged, used to keep engineering salaries low, etc.

      There really isn't any way to argue support for Proposition 8, except that you hate gay people and think they should have lesser rights. There is no other rational explanation for supporting that proposition. You simply cannot claim support for equal rights (a cornerstone of western society), and support a law which denies equal rights, so anyone who does deny equal rights for fellow citizens is nothing more than a bigot.

    2. Re:After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One does not have the right to act immorally and against nature.

    3. Re:After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      Of course, most conservatives these days seem to think that they're all millionaires who are temporarily down on their luck, even when they're living in a trailer, so they could very act the way you describe anyway

      I know what you are trying to say here but you are wrong. The problem with statements like yours is they are too simplified.

      For example, during the gay marriage debates, how often did you hear about the fallouts from states that did enact this law? Did you hear on the nightly news all the religious orphanages that were shut down by the state since they wouldn't allow kids to be adopted by non-traditional families?

    4. Re: After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One does not have the right to project their religiously biased morality upon others (see: 1st Amendment). Also, gay behavior is documented in hundreds of species of mammals, so which animals are against nature?

    5. Re:After the Mozilla fiasco, they will be careful by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Are you going to stone your children when they misbehave? It says you must do that in the Bible.

      Lots of animals are homosexual.

      Of course, I'm responding to a religious nut, so any arguments referencing reality are useless, since you're insane and don't believe in reality.

  15. Bribes? by Milharis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can someone explain me how giving money to someone to advance one's agenda is different from a bribe?

    1. Re:Bribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The root of the difference is that for the possibility of an informed electorate (not that many choose to inform themselves), there needs to be a basic expectation of consistency from each candidate. That's not to say that no one can ever change their mind when exposed to new arguments, but that changing a position without a reasoned explanation is a sign of a potential problem.

    2. Re:Bribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bribery is when an elected official supports your agenda because you pay them.
      Campaign contributions are when you pay an elected official because they support your agenda.

      And yes, I'm being cynical, because at best it's difficult to distinguish one from the other, and at worst, it's impossible.

    3. Re:Bribes? by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

      It's worse than that. Corporations are playing both sides by giving money to both the Democrats and the Republicans. No matter who wins they are owed favors by someone.

      The well publicized differences on Immigration, Abortion, etc. is just window dressing. Democrats and Republicans agree on more than you think. It's all about money and power.

    4. Re:Bribes? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      As I see it, it has to do with the order in which things occur.

      If I say we should, oh, cancel the H1-B program and you agree with me, you could donate to my campaign. "Free speech." If you say, "I'll give you money to cancel the H1-B program" and I accept it, that's bribery.

    5. Re:Bribes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because certain people made a more persuasive argument to SCOTUS, that paying for advertising is akin to saying "I agree with those ads' messages" and therefore analogous to political speech (ala Thomas Paine pamphlets) and therefore subject to First Amendment protection.

      Some people said they disagreed and thought SCOTUS ruled incorrectly, but then over the last five years they haven't bothered to enact a new Amendment to overrule SCOTUS. i.e. The People either decided that SCOTUS' decision was the right one, or it wasn't sufficiently wrong to be important.

    6. Re:Bribes? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      Bribery is when an elected official supports your agenda because you pay them.
      Campaign contributions are when you pay an elected official because they support your agenda.

      Bribery is when you pay an elected official for actual results.
      Campaign contributions are when you pay an elected official and HOPE to get some results
      Voting is when you attempt to choose an elected official and then can gripe when he DOESN'T deliver results.

      The first two have real and political ramifications; the latter has only good intentions.

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  16. Stop calling it donations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These are advance payments for future services. There is no charity involved. Not a donation!

  17. To support this, they need lots of contributions by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    To hell with them all! If we don't turn our backs, next campaign will cost 50 billion. All this does is reward corruption. But, if that's what people want, all I can say is, *knock yourselves out*. Just remember all your complaints go straight to the round file.

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  18. reason Carly isn't scoring is... tech knows her by swschrad · · Score: 1

    probably fired half the tech industry workers at least once. made the rest want to quit.

    now, if everybody else knows, she can go back to counting her golden parachute money.

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  19. having their cake and eating it too by nimbius · · Score: 1

    the difference between financial donors and tech donors to the political ecosystem in america in this foul year of our lord 2015 is that techs social goals are directly opposed by the candidates theyre greas--er, funding. Funding Rubio, which would arguably mean less intense scrutiny on offshore tax havens and lack of taxation in general, would mean accepting the rest of the Rubio package as well. It would mean tech firms would have to swallow things like increased warrantless wiretapping and blanket surveillance, which most oppose on the grounds of a free internet and tacitly customer trust. It means tech firms are backing a pony thats anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-evolution and increasingly implicated as bigoted and racist.

    Backing a republican is understandable...but risky in this day and age. This is a political party that has shut down the US Government twice. Theyve spent two years passing meaningless legislation like affirming 'in god we trust' on the dollar and shit-talking multinational foreign treaties like the iran nuclear agreement in favour of 20 more years of brinkmanship. the Republican party has avoided critical issues like immigration, climate change, the federal highway trust, renewable energy, and unemployment. For every major mass shooting in america in the past 8 years, they have remained unaccountable and in sterling opposition to even the most basic firearm legislation. And when gay marriage was legislatively made law, they simply avoided the subject entirely, and attempted to legalize discrimination at the state level instead.

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  20. Can't stump Trump! by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    And the only one even talking about H1-Bs is the one not taking money from these assholes.

    The rest of the candidates are all fat losers. I want an administration with class. And you know the Trump Administration will be the best, most successful administration in history, because Trump doesn't put his name anything that doesn't exude quality and class.

    Can't wait until President Trump cleans up this H1-B mess.

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  21. Different than Obama and Hillary...How?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it even possible to mess up this country any more than the Obama administration has done for the past 8 years?

    1. Re:Different than Obama and Hillary...How?? by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      yes, look at the 8 years prior for evidence.

  22. Hillary and tech. now that's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its funny to read that Hillary is getting tech money. But then again, if she does become President which I hope she don't. She's going to need a new mail server.

  23. Carly Fiorina actualy given $13,000,000 by Macdude · · Score: 1

    Carly Fiorina has actually been given $13,000,000, she's just turned it into $13,000.

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  24. Rand Paul isn't winning this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm surprised all the Rand Paul fanboys here are throwing money at him.

    I guess the Objectivist/Republican/Libertarians here are willing to actually put their money where their mouth is.

  25. No, the Democrats shut it down. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Backing a republican is understandable...but risky in this day and age. This is a political party that has shut down the US Government twice.

    No, the Democrats are the ones that "shut it down" - to the extent that a "government shutdown" actually shuts anything down - and the Replublicans caved both times and gave them what they wanted.

    The "power of the purse" is SUPPOSED to be the House of Representatives' check on a runaway executive branch. When the executive does something Congress doesn't want it to do, Congress is supposed to cut off the money for that, to make the executive branch stop. (This is why military appropriations, in particular, have a constitutional limit of two years: If the President, as Commander in Chief decides to go to war without a declaration, congress can stop the war within a couple years by stopping the money for the military.) This is also supposed to work when the majority of either house of congress is opposed to something.

    But in these recent "government shutdowns" the Democratic majority in the Senate, along with the President, held all the services of the government hostage when the Republicans tried to defund the no-longer-popular Obamacare. The Republican-controlled house split the funding for various sections of the government into several bills, and passed essentially all of them, with the idea that Obamacare would be in its own bill which could then be voted on separately - both likely failing to pass it in the House and giving a recorded vote showing which senators and reps supported it, to use in the next election's campaigns.

    The Senate leadership and Democratic majority then refused to pass ANY of the fund-a-part-of-the-government bills, holding the popular parts of the government's operations hostage: Give up the House's prerogative to originate all funding bills, pass an omnibus bill including Obamacare, or the government will be shut down - and our pet media will blame YOU for it!

    The Republicans tried several iterations, from an everything-but-Obamacare bill, through several sets that added up to funding everything but Obamacare, to a bunch of little fund-somethng-really-important bills, and the Democrats bounced pretty much all of them.

    Eventually the old budget timed out. Then the President ordered his people, not to go on vacation for lack of money to pay them, but to do things like actively blockade federal parks and roads. And for days the Democrats and the media said that it was the Republicans who had "shut down the goverment" (when they'd passed bills to fund pretty much all of it).

    Eventually the Republican leadership threw in the towel and let an Everything Including Obamacare bill through. But people like you are STILL fooled into thinking it was the Rs, not the Ds, that made it uncomfortable for them by "shutting it down".

    (I'd be a lot more impressed, by the way, if cutting off the money actually DID shut down the government, rather than just 17% or so of it, leaving the remaing 83% running full-bore. It would be interesting to try actual anarchy for a change, just to see what would happen. ;-) )

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  26. Carly Fiorina by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Carly Fiorina, a tech industry saboteur, has only managed about $13,000 in donations.

    FTFY

  27. Makes sense by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    The stakes were never higher: taking or controlling the wealth and the incomes of everyone in the country.

    How does that saying go? No man's life, liberty or property are safe, while the legislature is in session?

    And increasingly, presidents are able to dispense with this whole "legislating" inconvenience.

    Campaign contributions are not a problem with the federal judiciary. They don't listen to donors -- just the voices in their heads.

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