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60,000 Antelope Died In 4 Days, and No One Knows Why

An anonymous reader writes: The Saiga antelope has been hunted to near extinction. They've been put on the endangered species list, and they play a vital role in the ecosystems around Russia, Mongolia, and Kazakhstan, where their grazing helps get rid of fallen plant matter, which is prevented from decomposing by the cold temperatures. But earlier this year, a huge die-off hit the Saiga antelope herd in Kazakhstan, felling over 120,000 of them in a few short weeks. Scientists say an entire group of 60,000 died within a four-day span. The cause of this die-off is still a mystery. The researchers suspect some sort of bacteria, and early on pointed to Pasteurella strains. But those bacteria don't usually cause this much damage unless something else has weakened the antelope. "There is nothing so special about it. The question is why it developed so rapidly and spread to all the animals," one researcher said. They're looking into environmental factors, but nothing else seems too far out of the ordinary.

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  1. As they say by codeButcher · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... that buck stopped there.

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    1. Re:As they say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Home, home on the range, where the deer and the an... erm.. deer and more deer graze?

    2. Re:As they say by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Funny

      Forget about the deer, I hope they've got refrigerator trucks out there collecting all that free hamburger meat.

    3. Re:As they say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't eat the meat of something that fell over and died of non-violent causes.

      The reasons for this should be rather obvious.

    4. Re:As they say by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Its irrelevant. By the time you conclusively determine whatever killed the beasts isn't harmful to humans the meat will most likely have spoiled.

      Lots of bacteria that might be destroyed by cooking fills the host will harmful toxins that may not be destroyed by cooking before the host dies. By the time you work all this out it will be to late for other reasons.

      Basic survival rule: if you don't know what killed it, scratch eating it off the list of possibilities.

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  2. The remaining few by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The remaining few will have an evolutionary advantage over whatever kill the rest of them. Until a dumb ass human shoots them, that is, to put "the rarest specimens" up on his wall and brag about it.

    1. Re:The remaining few by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      I always wanted to eat the first of a species.

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  3. Graaaaains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is how The Pronking Dead starts, you know.

  4. Re:Now we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...a pandemic to cull the human herd too.

    I think if 4 billion humans dropped dead next week, we'd all be better off long-term. We're probably overdue for something like this anyway, given how little genetic diversity humans have.

    Y'know... unless you're one of the 4 billion that was killed off...

  5. Re:Now we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    By the sounds of it the "genetic diversity" between your parents wasn't much to talk about either.

  6. Re:You didn't listen by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who will be the next victims of our inaction? Gnus?

    I don't see how global warming could lead to the extinction of Free Software Foundation.

  7. They were raptured by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

    These deer were actually God's chosen people, and have been raptured. We all have to live through the end of days.

  8. Not saying it was aliens but... by penandpaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was aliens.

  9. Re:Now we need... by OakDragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What an ugly sentiment.

  10. Re:Now we need... by Jesrad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think if 4 billion humans dropped dead next week, we'd all be better off long-term.

    And you're dead wrong, even if all the cadavers mysteriously and magically turned into basic mineral components and were sprinkled all over the planet (instead of rotting wherever they dropped dead, contaminating air and water with diseases durably over the following weeks).

    An 8 billion human population is overall better for mankind and also arguably for the planet, than just 1 billion.

    Long-term, a forcibly reduced population would mean a lot less human capital (which is our true ultimate cap for progress potential), and a lot less competition for the same environmental resources, incentivizing a higher waste of these resources. Also, we'd be losing a lot of diversity, setting us back evolutionarily, and we'd just end up with more numerous but less adaptively fit individuals. This effect is well known and observed in all kinds of living organism populations, from bacteria to complex, social animals.

    Oh and, if you'd honestly believe killing people is ultimately doing people a service, you'd have started killing already. Or are you just a cowardly homicidal hypocrite ?

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  11. Re:You didn't listen by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

    The next victims will likely include ourselves. As for the dolphins, as the most intelligent species of the world, they will find a way out.

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  12. Re:Now we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While lauding human potential, you omit cost, which considering how many people with even modertely useful degrees are under or unemployed; you're not getting those sunk costs back. And that is going to get worse as the population climbs.

    Regarding diversity, the Idiocracy argument applies, as that diversity is heavily skewed in one direction, which ends up not being diverse at all. It takes more than sheer numbers.

    Not advocating for any instance of a Final Solution (god knows no one is wise enough to select for best charecteristics), but this feel good, best of all possible worlds handwaving disregards very real problems the human population will face in the coming generations, and simply putting a smiley face on it insures a bloodbath will follow,

  13. Re:Now we need... by stongef · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't worry, we are doing everything possible to cultivate a bug like this. My money is on a modified version of the bird flu, as easy to catch as a cold, but with the lethality of H5N1 (59%). It's brother H1N1 was the cause of the 1918 pandemic, which only killed between 3 to 5% of it's victims. We are currently creating the ideal environment for this bug to emerge in the chicken CAFOs. I'd bet on China for the point of origin. A million chickens in a big barn, bathing in their own feces, away from the lethal (for the bug) sun rays. Now THAT is bioengineering at its best ...

  14. Well.. by red+crab · · Score: 2

    The troll comments posted here so far just show how ignorant Slashdotters are about wildlife and environment, in general.

    1. Re:Well.. by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 2

      agreed... in the last bunch of years audience quality dropped significantly...I suspect a whole bunch of IFLS and fanboys are swarming everywhere..Truth is almost never a pure color...and science is a complex matter... I appreciate the work people like deGrasse are doing...but they should remember we don't need to create a generation of closed minded did-you-publish-1000-papers-already 'scientists' ... or it will be worse than religion... sometimes world changing discoveries still come out one 'crazy' genius or even by the amateur botanist.. science should be inflexible in repeatability and logic, but not carry other dogmas or elitist behaviours..

  15. Re:Now we need... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 4, Informative

    An 8 billion human population is overall better for mankind and also arguably for the planet, than just 1 billion.

    Many extinct species would beg to differ.
    http://news.discovery.com/anim...

  16. Re:Now we need... by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know why some people think that population reduction can only occur through mass-murder/pandemic. People can have less babies you know.

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  17. Re:Now we need... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    An 8 billion human population is overall better for mankind and also arguably for the planet, than just 1 billion.

    [citation needed], and also false dichotomy. With current practices, the Earth is provably over its carrying capacity. We have the technology to fix the problems, but do we have the will? Film at eleven.

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  18. Re:You didn't listen by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    We warned you about global warming, and you didn't listen. Who will be the next victims of our inaction? Dolphins? Housecats? Gnus?

    How about we warn the dolphins, then wait until after the housecats then start doing something?

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  19. Re:Now we need... by tylikcat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's hardly a matter of one political bend or another - I just had Jehova's Witnesses on my porch trying to tell about the world that is to come, and how only the really good people will be in it (making for a much smaller population, they emphasized) and God's going to clean everything up...

    But you'll see it as a trope in fiction of all stripes. There's some terrible disaster, and mankind re-emerges into a form that somehow fits the political biases of the author. A lot of people imagine that being in horrible circumstances like that, fighting for survival with less technology and an awful lot fewer people would make for a simpler, more real world and yearn for it.

    Not that long ago, here on Slashdot, a bunch of people were explaining to me that in such a world, as a woman, I would go back into my biologically ordained role of reproductive servitude, which struck me as saying a lot more about their preoccupations, I thought, than anything else, but then people always seem to project their fantasies into these scenarios. (Especially since I'd already mentioned that I was in my forties, as well as being a martial artist and martial arts instructor and having an awful lot of skills useful in such a society.)

  20. Re:Now we need... by Coren22 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People have been claiming we were hitting peak population since we hit 1 billion. Improved technology has prevented true overpopulation from happening. Those places with an actual growing population will either die out, or figure out a way to deal with it.

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  21. Re:Now we need... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many extinct species would beg to differ.

    How can they do that? They're extinct.

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  22. Re:Now we need... by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Or you could not go full retard and try to drag politics into this.

    The data is all available at census.gov, you can look at it yourself. The population of the US is growing by less than 1%, and all the growth is due to immigration (illegal and legal). This isn't a political statement, stop trying to drag politics into it.

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  23. Re:Now we need... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do you go about convincing China, India and Africa to stop having so many kids?

    China has a negative population growth rate now.

    India's population growth rate is slightly positive, but decreasing steadily. They should be negative growth in another decade or three.

    Africa is a whole 'nuther issue. Of course, what Europe, North America, China, and India have in common is increasing standard of living. - maybe that would work for Africa too....

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  24. Re:Now we need... by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't know. My answer to the future would be O'Neill Cylinders. That would solve the future population problems.

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  25. Re:Now we need... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Education, particularly of women. There's a good talk (TED, I think) about how Bangladesh had tried all kinds of ways to reduce it's world-leading birth rate. None of them really worked. Then there was an unconnected program to send girls to school, and the birth rate fell through the floor.

    By the way, the population growth rate of India has been declining since the 80s (and is currently less than the US in the 90s), and China's is currently less than the US. The world population growth rate is also in decline, and is currently less than the US in the 90s.

  26. Acacia Tree is Suspected by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 2

    The current explanation, pins this on the Acacia Tree and this only happens when the antelope population is too large.

    I couldn't find full articles that weren't behind paywalls, so this will have to do as reference: http://arthurmag.com/2010/01/0...

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