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Slowing Wind Energy Production Suffers From Lack of Wind
HughPickens.com writes: Gregory Meyer reports at the Financial Times that electricity generated by U.S. wind farms fell 6 per cent in the first half of the year, even as the nation expanded wind generation capacity by 9 per cent. The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities. The situation is likely to intensify into the first quarter of 2016 as the El Niño weather phenomenon holds back wind speeds around much of the U.S. "We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months," says David Crane. Wind generated 4.4 per cent of US electricity last year, up from 0.4 per cent a decade earlier. But this year U.S. wind plants' "capacity factor" has averaged just a third of their total generating capacity, down from 38 per cent in 2014.
EIA noted that slightly slower wind speeds can reduce output by a disproportionately large amount. "Capacity factors for wind turbines are largely determined by wind resources," says a report from the Energy Information Administration. "Because the output from a turbine varies nonlinearly with wind speed, small decreases in wind speeds can result in much larger changes in output and, in turn, capacity factors." In January of 2015, wind speeds remained 20 to 45 percent below normal on areas of the west coast, but it was especially bad in California, Oregon, and Washington, where those levels dropped to 50 percent below normal during the month of January.
EIA noted that slightly slower wind speeds can reduce output by a disproportionately large amount. "Capacity factors for wind turbines are largely determined by wind resources," says a report from the Energy Information Administration. "Because the output from a turbine varies nonlinearly with wind speed, small decreases in wind speeds can result in much larger changes in output and, in turn, capacity factors." In January of 2015, wind speeds remained 20 to 45 percent below normal on areas of the west coast, but it was especially bad in California, Oregon, and Washington, where those levels dropped to 50 percent below normal during the month of January.
Who could have foreseen that wind power would be variable, even unpredictable?
Wind turbine power output is proportional to the third power of wind velocity. It only takes small changes in average wind velocity to effect large changes in turbine power output.
If only we had some way to warm the planet, so that there would be more wind. Perhaps by putting more CO2 in the air and letting the sun warm us up.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Reliable hydrocarbon?
http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2015/04/07/power-outage/25411283/
An equipment failure at a switching station? That is your example?
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2014/10/how-national-grid-keeps-the-lights-on-when-a-large-power-stations-catches-fire/
So, the grid handles a fire pretty well, thanks for that update...
Reliable nuclear?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29058644
Wow...so they found some issues that impacted safety, shutdown the reactors safely, and are now fixing the issues? Oh the humanity! All those lost lives...that didn't happen..
What was your point again?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
No - we just hit peak wind faster than anyone expected.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
When a hydrocarbon or nuclear plant goes offline, how does the grid handle it? By getting power from other hydrocarbon and nuclear plants.
When wind does not produce power, how does the grid handle it? By getting power from hydrocarbon and nuclear plants.
One of those is not like the other.
Build up and put in the safer nuclear reactors we have nowadays...and supplement them with wind and solar.
There is no need to just have a monoculture when it comes to power.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
A switching station has exactly nothing to do with a power plant. A switching station failure does not weigh in on the unreliability of any particular source of power.
#2 was dealt with quite well by bws111 above.
So, a planned safe shutdown counts as unreliability? Huh?
Unreliable is when you expect something to product power and nothing comes out. Shutting down a power plant isn't unreliability of the power plant, it is a planned event that happens with every type of plant. If suddenly the nuclear fuel pellets stopped producing heat, that would be unreliable, however, I don't think that has EVER happened.
What I find incredible is this quote from TFS:
"We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months," says David Crane.
You never anticipated the drop off on wind asociated with El Nino? El Nino is a cycle, it cycles between El Nino and La Nina on a pretty regular basis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
How could you not plan for this to happen? Why is it such a surprise that the wind could drop off for 6 months at a time due to seasonal variances?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Quick!
Tax something!
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
It was said when these things went in that their claims of being able to be self supporting would not pan out. That they would need extensive subsidies forever and that they would need COAL or NATURAL GAS back ups to cover their load whenever they didn't provide the power.
All comments of this nature were treated like a naughty boy throwing spiders at the girls.
A sign of immaturity, anti social behavior, and really a good reason to have their fathers give them a stern talking to...
Because... when someone points out logical flaws in a power grid design, the best response is to address them like you're a kindergarten teacher and their attempts at rational dialogue are merely an expression of immaturity. Because after all... real adults... real mature and well adjusted people... they just immediately buy into whatever whomever the politician is that tells them what to believe. And anyone that doesn't some flavor of village idiot or deviant... probably a pedophile. Nothing screams pedophilia like questioning dodgy power and financial estimates of a wind farm.
So where is this going? Same place it went last time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Am I against wind? Not at all. I think its great. I am against large amounts of public money going to build big wind farms in clusters. I'd prefer that the projects either be privately funded so it isn't just a scam to get grant money and then run when they project dries up. Or I'd like the money to instead be pushed to encourage home owners and building owners to install renewable power on their roofs and in their property thus negating the possibility that given companies are colluding or bribing the government to get contracts because the home owners will be under no obligation to buy from a given company.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.