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$415 Million Settlement Approved In Tech Worker Anti-Poaching Case

An anonymous reader writes: Adobe, Apple, Google, and Intel have been embroiled in a high-profile court case accusing them of creating anti-poaching agreements in an attempt to keep tech industry salaries under control. Now, Judge Lucy Koh has ruled that the $415 million settlement against the tech giants is fair, and will stand. Koh also cut in half the amount awarded to the attorneys in the case. The lawsuit was a class-action originally joined by about 64,000 workers. Other companies were involved with the case, and reached settlements earlier, and a few members of the class action may opt out of any settlement. But the remaining members will only get something in the vicinity of $6,000 apiece for the damage done to their earnings.

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  1. Before you go off the deep end.. by alphatel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In America, anti-competitive practices between corporations are illegal. It doesn't matter if they are bidding on the same job and agree to "not compete on this one", bidding on the same employees, or simply saying "don't contact my {insert [vendor / employee / distribution] channels} and I won't contact yours."

    Yes, corps can do it and get away with it every day! But if caught they might land themselves a nice fine (see above), or even worse, some time in jail. The corps have quashed the second option for just about any crime they commit, so you are stuck with the first option.

    One has got to imagine though, between these practices, H1Bs, 80 hour work weeks, and other wage-lowering standards in the tech field, how many Billions these corps have saved, reinvested, and reaped as untold wealth, while only having their feet held to the fire for about 100m each in this case. They are sure to invent some fascinating practices to hold wages down further in the coming years.

    Enjoy your hot soup. cause that's all they serve. on the soup line.

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    1. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by ranton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how many Billions these corps have saved, reinvested, and reaped as untold wealth, while only having their feet held to the fire for about 100m each in this case. They are sure to invent some fascinating practices to hold wages down further in the coming years.

      This is all there is to learn from this case; that the government willfully endorses this type of behavior. They hand out some minuscule fines every once in a while to placate citizens who cannot comprehend math, but ultimately let companies blatantly conspire to reduce wages.

      This settlement is less than a tenth of the dollar amount necessary to actually punish these companies more than they benefited. And if you are a regular who doesn't punish someone more than they benefited, you are explicitly endorsing their behavior.

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    2. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by penguinoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No double standard. Unions are allowed and even protected in an attempt to protect people from rich greedy bastards. And anti-competitive behavior is forbidden in an attempt to protect people from rich greedy bastards.

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    3. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's an attempt to balance the scales. Add up all the capital each side has. The one with the most wins. Thousands of workers have to pool resources to add up to one CEO. What is unfortunate is the the workers 'CEO' (union boss) is just as corrupt as any corporate/government boss. Every institution falls into the same trap.

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    4. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's like asking where is the law that keeps preschoolers from beating up heavyweight boxers.

    5. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      but when employers get together to improve their bargaining position you think it should be illegal

      Employers already got together to improve their position. They called it a C-Corp. Or S-Corp, LLC, Delaware Corporation, or whatever else they did to create a single "front" entity with which everyone must deal.

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    6. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      Anti-competitive behavior, as long as it's called a "union", is allowed and even protected in an attempt to protect people from rich greedy bastards.

      That's the double-standard that he was referring to. And you even provided a rationalization for why the double-standard is a good idea.

      Denying it makes you look dishonest. Owning it makes you look principled.

      Because the standard is not to prevent cooperation, it is to protect people. Thus, cooperation among workers to negotiate better terms and conditions is a good thing as it protects them from being exploited. Whereas cooperation among businesses would allow them to exploit their employees or customers and thus is a bad thing.

      In theory, things could go too far and union members could destroy a business if they refuse their demands -- however, if this happens it means both the union members and the business lose their source of income. On the other hand, if a business fires an employee that employee is in very bad shape while the business can just hire a replacement.

      Imagine for an instant that if you didn't like the pay and conditions offered by the CEO, you could instead negotiate with Bob the janitor who could then hire you on behalf of the company. If that were the case, then there would be no need for unions and in fact businesses would need protection from employees.

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    7. Re:Before you go off the deep end.. by tnk1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporations are already collective entities. Creating a union simply creates another one.

      I am not a big fan of unions, or at least, how unions have been in the US, but let's not pretend that forming a union means that now the workers are the big bad wolf. They are simply evening the odds by forming their own organization that now has bargaining power because it controls a critical part of the corporation's production capacity: the workers.

  2. Re:"Only" by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Only $6000" Maybe this is because I'm not an Apple/Google/Intel employee, but if I got $6k handed to me, I'd be psyched.

    Would you be psyched if that's the settlement you received because your employer negotiated behind your back to keep a competitor from offering you a job that pays $20k more a year?

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  3. Attorneys' fee reduction - A Good Thing by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article in the 2nd link:

    Attorneys representing the plaintiffs had requested around $81 million in fees. But Koh nixed that amount, saying it would be a "windfall" for the lawyers and instead awarded them $40 million.

    Way to go judge!

    On the other hand, even $40M is probably too high for the amount of work done and risk taken.

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  4. Re:"Only" by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. The settlement is peanuts. It should be three times as high, along with substantial punitive damages.

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  5. Re:"Only" by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Only $6000"
    Maybe this is because I'm not an Apple/Google/Intel employee, but if I got $6k handed to me, I'd be psyched.

    You need to take stock of your life if $6k is considered a financial windfall. This is basically a single paycheck to many of the professionals being affected by these illegal practices. They have likely missed out on tens of thousands of dollars in wages and are being given a big F-U by the government as well as the companies that conspired against them.

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  6. Still too low for victims and too high for lawyers by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Make the settlement $100k for each victim, and maybe $2 million for the lawyers.

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  7. Re:"Only" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For most companies, your annual salary increases are considered in percentage terms from your current salary.

    Let's say the anti-poaching arrangement drove the market down so that an employee who could have made $100k/year in on open market instead took a job for $95k (by the way, this is likely a SEVERE underestimate of the market distortion of ~six of the largest market participants refusing to bid on each other's employees).

    That's not a one-time $5k loss. That's a $5k loss every year for life, because it decreases the base on which future raises will be given. More than that, actually.

    Assuming you're worth a 5% raise every year, the "open market" employee makes:
    $100,000
    $105,000
    $110,250
    $115,762.50
    $121,550.63
    --------
    $552,563.13 over 5 years

    With the "$5k" loss, the employee instead gets:
    $95,000
    $99,750
    $104,737.50
    $109,974.38
    $115,473.09
    ----
    $524,934.97 over 5 years

    Which is a loss of $27,629.

    The settlement doesn't fix the "perpetual" nature of this problem - it doesn't increase the base salary to what it would have been. It's a one time payout. Even if $6k is a fair estimate on the amount lost in base salary AT THE TIME they took the job, it's a pittance on the real loss.

    Even changing jobs doesn't necessarily "restore" this lost base salary - quite a lot of employers ask for a salary history, and will base an offer on what you made previously. Or, they'll base it on the "average" they pay for that job today (which itself will be artificially suppressed because of the past collusion).

    This is a HUGE giveaway to the employers involved. They saved many times over what they're paying out here. If they could do the same thing tomorrow anticipating this penalty, they would.

  8. Re:Still too low for victims and too high for lawy by chispito · · Score: 2

    Regardless if the proposed settlement amount is fair, the lawyer payment reduction basically would have no effect.

    I think the effect would be to make the parent feel better because he does not care much for lawyers.

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  9. Re:Still too low for victims and too high for lawy by sexconker · · Score: 2

    No, shut down the businesses involved, sell off their assets to the highest bidders, and jail all high-level management for at least a decade.

    Those rich fucks are huge flight risks and people within the companies will be scrambling to shred and burn evidence and cover up hidden assets, so time your sentencing announcement with the arrival time of a tank battalion at their offices.

  10. the new way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They have created the fairy tale of the STEM shortage. In a few years, kids will be coming out of school with their STEM degree and there will be few jobs that pay shit.

    It happened with nurses. Years ago, kids wanted a guaranteed job and flocked into nursing schools because of the so called shortage. Today, we have the worst job market for nurses EVER.

    Tech companies are all bullshitters when it comes to their employment practices and all of them are guilty and should be fined.

  11. Re:Still too low for victims and too high for lawy by larryjoe · · Score: 2

    Not only is this a slap on the wrist, it's actually encouragement for continuing the practice. A company can pay $5000/employee to save many times that amount. The ROI on this practice must have the CFOs drooling.

    Also, I wonder if the $41 million not going to the lawyers ends up with the plaintiffs or the companies.

    Of course, this entire decision is a laughable farce. The judge considered $4000/person unfair but $5000/person fair. I never went to law school, but that type of judgment is baffling to me.

    So, to sum up, legally the companies lost, the lawyers won/lost, and the plaintiffs won, but in the real world, the companies won, the lawyers won, and the plaintiffs lost.

  12. Re:"Only" by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Also.... the class that damages are awarded to should include All workers of a similar calibre in the industry: not just those that the anti-poaching applied to.

    Due to the economics involved. IF such and such position was poached, then I could have applied to it, Or the economic effects across the country might be such that my salary at another company would be higher than it was.

  13. Re:"Only" by lgw · · Score: 2

    It's not for life - it's just until your next job change and ability to negotiate. I've almost never had a meaningful raise working at the same company (after my first year, and once in the 20 years following). IME, you get meaningful raises when someone really needs what you already know.

    There's a trap there though - it's important to alternate between jobs that pay a lot better for your current skills, and jobs that force you to learn more modern, in-demand skills. Otherwise you'll suddenly find yourself laid off and unemployable when your niche gets too small.

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  14. So if the settlement is 415 million, by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... we can assume that the company's ill-gotten gains are at least in the five billion range.

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  15. Just "Being Evil" by crunchygranola · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yep, Sergei and Larry have learned that being evil can fatten their billions oh so sweetly. The fine is only a light tax on the takings.

    But, hey! It was cool slogan when they were just breaking into the market.

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  16. Re:Still too low for victims and too high for lawy by sexconker · · Score: 2

    The only ones who get fucked are the ones the tanks roll toward.
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