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Amazon Reportedly Aiming For the Low End With a Loss-Leader $50 Tablet

Amazon has been dogged with criticism for its high-end, somewhat oddball phone, but done rather better with its high-end Fire tablets, and has mostly defined the market for e-ink book-reading devices with its long-lived Kindle series. Now, according to a report in the WSJ echoed by Fortune (and by Ars Technica and many others), the company is said to be working on a tablet aimed at the low end of the market, with a 6-inch screen, a mono speaker, and a tiny pricetag -- which could be as low as $50. "At the bottom end of the range at least, the devices won’t be priced to make a profit," writes Fortune. "The dirt-cheap price tag is intended to maximise the reach of its e-book and Amazon Prime video streaming content."

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  1. Amazon owns Woot.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They definitely are interested in low cost loss leader salesmanship.

    1. Re:Amazon owns Woot.com by willworkforbeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      In honor of the good old days of Woot, I searched Amazon for the infamous "Bag O' Crap". Sure enough... http://amzn.com/B0092FJDA2

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    2. Re:Amazon owns Woot.com by WillAdams · · Score: 1

      For those who miss the original woot there's meh.com

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    3. Re:Amazon owns Woot.com by wallsg · · Score: 1

      I miss the real Woot. Amazon left it alone for a short time and then ruined it.

      I used to be a daily visitor and used Woot-off trackers to try to get the Bag of Crap (14-time "winner", according to the account records). I even have a set of Woot-off Lights. The second thing I bought on the site was the 65" Olevia LCD TV on 8/25/08 (believe me, it was HUGE at that time and $2,300 was a good price).

      The last two things I bought were a shirt on 2/11/15 and a shirt on 9/28/12, and the recent purchase was due to a link from another site.

  2. Some tablets have stereo speakers? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >> a mono speaker

    I just read that and thought, "tablets have stereo speakers"? Isn't that what headphones are for? Would having stereo speakers really make a difference on a 9-inch wide device?

    1. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by TWX · · Score: 1

      If your 19" television that sat across the room from you had stereo speakers and there was a noticeable difference, then a screen sitting in your hands would probably be noticeable too.

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    2. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you connect your Beats headset to it using a Monster cable.

    3. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine does, and it sounds a lot better than the typical ipad sound.

    4. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BlackBerry Playbook had stereo speakers. It makes a difference in volume. Sound is somewhat better. I imagine some Android tablets did it after that as well.

    5. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by advocate_one · · Score: 5, Funny

      and sellotape these to each speaker: http://www.machinadynamica.com...

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    6. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. You need more than a couple of inches to have any decent stereo separation.

    7. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by chispito · · Score: 1

      Would having stereo speakers really make a difference on a 9-inch wide device?

      Yes, a noticeable difference.

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    8. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Methinks you don't understand angles...

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    9. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Most people don't have 19 inch TV screens anymore. And even then, I think it would make only a minimal amount of difference, even for my 50 inch TV. It's amazing how much better the stereo effects are when I put on my headphones to watch a movie, as opposed to using my TV speakers.

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    10. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      The first gen iPad Mini had/has stereo speakers.

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    11. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Yes!
      The difference takes it from "really crappy sound" to "crappy sound".
      Anyone looking for anything better than "crappy sound" uses headphones or an external speaker.

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    12. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by samwichse · · Score: 1

      I think you mean spellotape.

      'Cause it's MAGIC!

    13. Re:Some tablets have stereo speakers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually sometimes miss the stereo speaker my N900 had.

  3. Let me guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Android 2.3?

    1. Re:Let me guess by TWX · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're reflashing the firmware on the failed Fire Phone to make it into a tablet...

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  4. I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's that cheap, it's hardly worth skipping. Figuring I make about $25/hour, that's two hours of work for a tablet that, while it may be slow, outdated, and not stylish, would do great for browsing the web and watching movies. Maybe it would live in my bathroom as bathroom reading material. Stuff it full of PDF ebooks and podcasts and enjoy my bathroom runs.

    AAAA

    1. Re:I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's that cheap, it's hardly worth skipping. Figuring I make about $25/hour, that's two hours of work for a tablet that, while it may be slow, outdated, and not stylish, would do great for browsing the web and watching movies. Maybe it would live in my bathroom as bathroom reading material. Stuff it full of PDF ebooks and podcasts and enjoy my bathroom runs.

      AAAA

      An anal plug situated next to an enema bag is an even better way to do that.

    2. Re:I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, I'd consider adding fiber and vegetables to my diet if your bathroom usage includes "runs" and enough time to read ebooks...

      Use some of that 25$/hr to help yourself instead of buying next years's landfill.

    3. Re:I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're on the toilet long enough to need reading material, you need to talk to your doctor and get at the root of the problem, rather than trying to work around it.

    4. Re:I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Maybe it would live in my bathroom ..."

      No gadget deserves the fate to live in your bathroom, not even this one.

    5. Re:I'd consider it by xSauronx · · Score: 1

      so their ebooks go on sale a lot, i stock up on $2-$5 books now and again. i have a kindle paperwhite and love it.
      but their movie and tv prices suck. the free media included with prime has some decent options, but a lot of purchases and rentals are way overpriced.

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    6. Re:I'd consider it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're on the toilet long enough to need reading material, you need to talk to your doctor and get at the root of the problem, rather than trying to work around it.

      No sweetie.. Other way round actually.
      If you are so quick in and out of the bathroom to NOT need reading material, you will be talking to your doctor very soon. Especially once you reach a certain age.

      There is a reason it is often referred to as the reading room.

  5. Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by TWX · · Score: 2

    My wife loves the classics, pretty much all of which are in the public domain, and have been put into some kind of e-book format at Project Gutenberg. I read a lot of Baen books from their free e-book library that one can download in several formats and often come with the paper books on a disc in the back. If this thing will work for that then we'll probably get one. Otherwise, probably not.

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    1. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless the tablet is locked down so you can't install apps (that would be stupid), just install Aldiko. There is both a free (not nagware) and paid version. It reads epub, which is the ebook format that everyone in the world except Amazon uses. Amazon purposely uses their own format, to lock you into their ecosystem.

    2. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your wife needs to get with the times, bro.

    3. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the danger for Amazon. People get them and use them for free stuff. Maybe install Cyanogen instead of the Amazon crapware.

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    4. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      download calibre. (its free) the ultimate ebook manager/converter/etc...
      if you can get any format. calibre can turn it into something the reader will do. (if drm allows. altho there's ways around that shit too)

      calibre + first gen kindle works for me. completely unconnected to amazon at all. because fuck amazon.

    5. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My wife loves the classics, pretty much all of which are in the public domain, and have been put into some kind of e-book format at Project Gutenberg. I read a lot of Baen books from their free e-book library that one can download in several formats and often come with the paper books on a disc in the back. If this thing will work for that then we'll probably get one. Otherwise, probably not.

      The desktop versions of the Kindle reader allow the user to simply import a .Mobi file that they have on their computer. On all other Kindle reader apps, you email the .Mobi file to the special Amazon email address that is associated with your Kindle account and the file will be delivered to your device by Amazon.

      It certainly isn't perfect, but it's really fairly nice, especially for public domain books as well as the DRM-free books you buy from O'Reilly and Packt, etc.

    6. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know about this new $50 tablet, but I do own one of those $79 Kindles (almost-exclusively e-book reader) and am able to download Project Gutenberg's books into it.

      I can also email them to a @kindle address I was provided with so that they're also available on my phone (Kindle app) or other devices.

    7. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I use Calibre to convert my free, non-Amazon ebooks to their MOBI format and read them on my Kindle. I have the Kindle Paperwhite and haven't bought a single book from Amazon. The Kindle reads PDF, too, but it's pretty shitty at it, sometimes refusing to render whole sections of the book, so I convert those with Calibre as well.

    8. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      you can rip Amazon books out of your tablet using Calibre and a USB cable. http://calibre-ebook.com/

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    9. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by ncc74656 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Use Calibre to convert from .epub (or whatever) to .azw and upload to Amazon. That's what I did when I needed to keep bookmarks synced between iOS and Android devices (before Google Play Books came along), and it'd also work with Kindle devices.

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    10. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      It will almost certainly read those. A base model Kindle does, so I see little reason why this wouldn't.

    11. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      It is running the Amazon flavor of Android so yes you can read PDFs on it so Project Gutenberg books will work with ease. Baen supports Kindle format so....

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    12. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably. The other Kindles will accept any MOBI file which Project Gutenberg uses (among many other formats). However, oftentimes you can get the classics through Amazon for free such as The Iliad and the Odyssey, Paradise Lost, The Art of War, Wuthering Heights, The Picture of Dorian Gray, Moby Dick and (one my favorites) Heart of Darkness. So yeah, you can get the classics free from Project Gutenberg and go through the extra steps, but check the official Kindle store. Usually public domain works are already there for free. There will be some pay versions usually with bonus content. I'm not shilling for Amazon (I don't get any money from this in any way) I'm just saying don't think you have to scour the net for free content when it's right there. If it's free from Amazon why not just get it there?

    13. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by ardmhacha · · Score: 2

      The percentage of buyers who install Cyanogen on these devices will be very small.

    14. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by TWX · · Score: 2

      This is why:

      Amazon Erases Orwell Books From Kindle

      Fool me once, shame on you...

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    15. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something that happened once, and due to the law of the land. This is trivial, just convert the book in one of the many free and open source tools to make it a generic mobi format and not match the Amazon checksum.

      Now how about you target your hatred at Apple? The company that removed almost a thousand dollars of iPad medical and music application from my account because I had to work overseas. Yeah, thought so. You're nothing more than a zealot. Very strange Google, also based in the US, didn't do this, neither did Amazon. So come on, let's see you target Apple. Or are you really a shill?

    16. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 1

      The percentage of people who can afford $99 a year for Amazon prime but only $50 for a shitty tablet to watch it on is also very small :D

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    17. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No more "dangerous" than the fact that a number of people (likely far higher than the number of people who install Cyanogen) who buy these tablets will lose them or accidentally break them. The lost and broken ones won't generate revenue either...

    18. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of these same books are free from Amazon too.

    19. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      every kindle has an email address you can email your book file to and have it download to your device. same with kindle apps

    20. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you go to a Baen Free Library book page, there are two options to read on a Kindle.

      Example: http://www.baenebooks.com/show...

      The first is the email option. Send it to your Kindle's free email address and it will transfer it for you. The second is the MOBI/Palm/Kindle option. Connect the Kindle with a USB cord and copy the file over. That assumes that the new tablet works like every other Kindle. Project Gutenberg has a similar option although it won't email it for you. You'd have to download it and either copy with USB or email it yourself.

      In addition, if it's a Fire tablet, it has a PDF viewer app that you can use. And an ePub app as well.

    21. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Even the Kindle Fire can side-load APKs (assuming they support the right version of Android) which would allow you to read the PD books.

    22. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Serious question but does Cyanogen still do that kind of thing? I thought they'd turned into a more closed aimed-at-phone-makers thing. Or have I completely misunderstood what's been going on there lately?

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    23. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by ssam · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cyanogen Inc and CyanogenMod are separate things.

    24. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The percentage of people who can afford $99 a year for Amazon prime but only $50 for a shitty tablet to watch it on is also very small :D

      I don't know, I'd gladly buy my kids a $50 tablet knowing that they will break whatever tablet I get them. I won't be buying them ipads or surface pro 3's.

      I'd also buy myself one knowing that in a year I can buy another etc.

    25. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL at one zealot trying to call out another one.

      Rage on into that good night.

    26. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an interesting case. The reason Amazon pulled the books is because the seller didn't have the right to actually sell the book. And it's important to note, that the people did buy the books for $.99 each. There are no times at which Amazon has pulled free public domain books which what I was referring to. But back to the case at hand, in this case anyone who bought the book would be a bona fide third party purchaser which usually means they are OK and any compensation must be provided by the wrongdoer (in this case the "publisher"). However, the twist is that Amazon can still see and access the illicit copy of material. Is it incumbent upon them to "destroy" the illegal copy? Can a purchaser expect to retain an illegal copy even once they learned that it was illegally sold to them? The courts haven't ruled on it, but I'm guessing the answers will be yes and no respectively. The first because if Amazon didn't then they would essentially be a fence. People could upload copyrighted works, sell them till they're shut down, Amazon gets their cut and so does the fraudster. Amazon would just throw up its hands and say we didn't do it go after the guy illegally selling the works. The second because ebooks are generic items. Basically, one 1984 ebook is the same as another. In this case Amazon gave everyone who had the book pulled a choice of $30 gift certificate or a bona fide copy of the book plus all their notes back.

      I'm not sure what Amazon could have done in this case. Someone used their self publication service to publish an unauthorized copy of a book. You can fight the copyright holder (probably a publishing house) or placate upset customers. There's no good option here, but the decision is easy. Your going to get sued one way or another might as well go with the customer since they just want their book and/or some other compensation. The publishing house will want blood and money.

    27. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Junta · · Score: 1

      The courts haven't ruled on it, but I'm guessing...

      Probably should just stop after 'haven't ruled on it'. The thing is that it is without precedent. They bust a bootlegger of DVDs, they don't go after the individuals who may have bought from that bootlegger (whether in good faith or not). If someone was selling through brick and mortar and got busted, the copies in the store may demand immediate removal, but I don't think that retailer is going to be required to aid in identifying any prior purchaser of the content.

      I can't think of a case where copyright has been used to take back a work from a purchaser who acted in good faith, even if their copy was illegitimate through no fault of their own. Amazon acted overly eagerly in proactively erasing the content from devices that had downloaded it. Their obligation should be to discontinue repeat access, not extending to proactively destroying predownloaded copies. This seems to be where they (and the rest of the industry, I know first hand an application I downloaded was taken down from google play in a dispute with a company, but my copy is intact) have landed. However it is worth being aware that from a technical perspective, they have retained the capability of doing this as far as I know.

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    28. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $50 dollars is less than a new game, and is an impulse by for many people. Amazon is counting enough of these impulse buyers to also buy prime.

    29. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      you don't need a prime subscription to buy things from amazon.

    30. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      better yet, just upload the .epub or PDF to google play books.
      https://support.google.com/goo...

      you can upload up to 1000 books have it sync'd, and available in their e-reader app (which is as good as amazon's reader app AFAICT).

    31. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      So CyanogenMod is no longer developed by Cyanogen? It's an independent project?

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    32. Re:Will it read non-Amazon-sourced books? by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      Many/most of the classics are actually available for free on Kindle. You should check out their selection... if you get the chance, report back if anything major is missing.

  6. predatory pricing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At the bottom end of the range at least, the devices won’t be priced to make a profit"

    This is what used to be called "predatory pricing".

    1. Re:predatory pricing by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      Operating systems used to be called GUIs.

  7. Still not worth it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks to the Fire OS, this tablet still isn't worth it at $50. I have a Fire HD 7 that I purchased for less than $70 and there is no piece of technology in my home that is used less due to the poor offerings in Amazon's app store.

    1. Re:Still not worth it by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      That's the problem with FireOS. Everything about it is designed to sell you something. Constantly. I would happily pay much more for a tablet which improves my life rather than constantly trying to sell me something. Oh, like the tablet that I already have.

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  8. Adventures in Vendor Lockin by supremebob · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I guess that I could make sense for Amazon to undercut the price of their competitors for their tablet since they can configure Fire OS to only allow purchases from Amazon.

    Want an movie? Buy it and download it from Amazon! Want a book? Buy it and download it from Amazon! Want some music? You get the idea.

    Did we mention that you get a discount and some "free" downloads if you sign up for Prime? Come on, it's only $99 a year!

    I'm sure that they'll make it difficult as hell to sideload apps and download content to the tablet via USB as well. No thanks, I'll pass on this one.

    1. Re:Adventures in Vendor Lockin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Amazon execs are crying themselves to sleep...

    2. Re:Adventures in Vendor Lockin by Junta · · Score: 1

      I'd complain about both Amazon and Apple. Google fares better for allowing sideloading, though it says all sorts of aggressively scary things about it (which to be fair may be a good warning to provide for the common user).

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    3. Re:Adventures in Vendor Lockin by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      Google fares better for allowing sideloading, though it says all sorts of aggressively scary things

      i'm confused by your use of "though". are you suggesting that it's a bad thing that it warns users?

    4. Re:Adventures in Vendor Lockin by Junta · · Score: 1

      It could be construed in a negative light. For example the 'warning' that MS does when you use edge to search for firefox/chrome where it says MS really recommends Edge rather than what they are trying to do. That's unambiguously *not* doing it for the sake of the user, but for the sake of the vendor interest.

      There are legitimate risks with sideloading, but a cynical argument could be made that Google isn't too torn up about making sideload extra scary sounding and the Play Store a nice safe, and coincidentally profitable for Google place to get applications. So it's an area where there is a legitimate reason, but an ulterior motive may factor in. An alternative approach to make sideloading safer could be a distributed scheme for signed applications, but without the revenue attach of play store, but Google doesn't bother with such a scheme. Note this discrete signing sort of architecture is done for Linux packages and Windows executables, for example, with extensible trust schemes to allow third parties be trusted rather than requiring the original vendor to vouch for everything.

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    5. Re:Adventures in Vendor Lockin by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Apple tries, but they aren't nearly restrictive as Amazon. If you want to use your iPad to read your Kindle books or watch Amazon Prime movies, for example, there are apps for that.

      You're not going to use any of the Google Play apps on a Fire tablet without a fight, though, even though the tablet is based on Android.

  9. That could be interesting! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Of course depending on how hard it is to rip that screen out. 50 bucks for a high quality 6" screen is pretty ok, and maybe some of the other hardware can be used too. I'd have a few projects where I can use cheap screens, how many can I order at once?

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    1. Re:That could be interesting! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      You can get 7" HDMI displays on eBay for much less than USD$50.

    2. Re:That could be interesting! by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      "High quality" displays?

    3. Re:That could be interesting! by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      Depends on your definition of "high quality", while they're not 1080p+ IPS displays they're not junk either.

  10. They'll make it up on the backend by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    They'll make it up on the back end by recording every micro-interaction you have on every site and document you browse, compiling them and developing a probably mostly derogatory profile of you then selling that profile to your potential employers, insurance providers, political enemies, buisness competitors... you know anyone with a wallet . In the TOS you signed, these entities are referred to as "partners".

  11. I still wouldn't be interested by DrXym · · Score: 1

    The only reason I'd see in buying a loss leading tablet is if I could hack it into something more useful. I certainly wouldn't be interested in a device which is locked into Amazon's substandard OS.

    1. Re:I still wouldn't be interested by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      The only reason I'd see in buying a loss leading tablet is if I could hack it into something more useful.

      um, what? do you know what a loss leader is? it's a product that's sold below it's market value. why wouldn't you want that?

    2. Re:I still wouldn't be interested by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Because it's running a substandard fork of Android that is tied to Amazon's services. If it were hackable it might have some value to me at that price. If it's not it has no value at all.

  12. And another cheap tablet to root! by hajo · · Score: 2

    Seriously, you know people are going to be all over this and root with some version of some alternate OS. Either android or one of the tablet Linuxes.

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    1. Re:And another cheap tablet to root! by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      One would hope

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    2. Re:And another cheap tablet to root! by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      I may buy one to replace my Playbook - which I still use to watch movies... but I'm going to wait until somebody else has documented the rooting procedure and made the necessary tools available.

    3. Re:And another cheap tablet to root! by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      you can already buy sub-$50 tablets, and they already run Android.
      http://www.walmart.com/ip/RCA-...

    4. Re:And another cheap tablet to root! by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      I can't speak to the particular one that you linked to, but as of about a year ago, almost all of the sub-$100 tables were crap. Inferior displays, slow, buggy software, little updates if you got anything to begin with. While you still get what you pay for, at least with Amazon behind it you'll likely get at least some support and a functional device (as long as you don't mind being confined to the Amazon ecosystem).

  13. Loss leader by tedgyz · · Score: 2

    No worries. They'll make it up in volume.

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    1. Re:Loss leader by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I think that the plan is to make up the loss on content delivery. If they lock down the tablet enough, they can make it so the average person needs to go to Amazon to buy/rent any apps or media that you want to use.

    2. Re:Loss leader by tedgyz · · Score: 1

      I should have included sarcasm tags. Amazon is using the Gillette business model, which has been perfected by printer makers.

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    3. Re:Loss leader by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      um, if you are selling something below cost, selling more of it means a greater loss (say it fast).

    4. Re:Loss leader by tedgyz · · Score: 2

      Geez. I guess I should have put those sarcasm tags in there. I thought /. readers would get the joke.

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    5. Re:Loss leader by bemymonkey · · Score: 1

      What? I can't hear you...

  14. Parts are cheap, keep pushing the prices down by Katatsumuri · · Score: 2

    I think some no-name Android tablets are already available at about $50 price, but this one should set the standard in value per dollar and push other major vendors to shift their prices down. This may also affect laptop and smartphone prices a little.

    1. Re:Parts are cheap, keep pushing the prices down by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Personally I can't believe that smartphone prices are as high as they are. iPhones and high end Samsung devices are going for $700 or more. That a lot of money to spend on a basic computer for your pocket. I get a lot of value out of my phone, but I still am very happy with my $250 phone. I really don't see why some people think they need to spend so much to get a decent phone. There's a lot of cheaper phones on the market, and it doesn't seem to be doing much to stop people from buying iPhones or Samsung phones. I don't think this tablet will change that.

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    2. Re: Parts are cheap, keep pushing the prices down by IANAAC · · Score: 1

      So are some name brands. I bought an HP G2 for 60 bucks that has served me well, and still does.

    3. Re:Parts are cheap, keep pushing the prices down by Junta · · Score: 1

      The answer has been the phone subsidies in the US, giving the carriers a powerful marketing point ("look at these deep discounts"). With those going away, I'd expect the market pricing in general to correct in the near to medium term future.

      I had this exact same argument many times that a tablet and phone are very similar and there's no good justification for the price difference

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    4. Re:Parts are cheap, keep pushing the prices down by Chrontius · · Score: 1

      http://apple.slashdot.org/stor...

      Apple tells the FBI to pound sand; Google logs every keystroke with the default keyboard. Privacy costs something - you can't have your stuff subsidized by content partners, who want to make up their subsidies later.

  15. I want a big eInk reader more. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    Sure a $50 tablet is nice but I really would like to see an inexpensive 11x8.5 e-ink kindle for that price. I read a lot of larger books with images that would be better on a larger reader.

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    1. Re:I want a big eInk reader more. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can. You simply have to buy pre-owned devices that people dump because the form-factor is a pain for most. I'm not sure what "larger books" actually means. Page counts don't matter, so I'm assuming you've a stash of PDF docs, the one format that's utterly useless on e-readers because it's designed for specific page layouts, seeing as it's what it was designed to do.

    2. Re:I want a big eInk reader more. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      large as in large format books that have lots of diagrams. Even when formatted correctly for an ereader the screens tend to be just too small.

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  16. Not a realistic danger... by Junta · · Score: 2

    Sure, there will be some of those folks.Overwhelmingly people just take defaults even when it doesn't take much effort to change, unless the default is very clearly perceived as horrible.

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  17. Stupid by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    I told them how to do this years ago. Include the fire phone as part of prime.

  18. How to kill a product by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

    Let the race to the bottom begin! Lets see Samsung make a dime now.

    Apple execs must be laughing their heads off.

  19. Microcenter has better tablet at same price point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone buy this tablet from Amazon?
    I can already get all these features on a $59 tablet from Microcenter

    Touchscreen
    MS Office 365
    Micro hdmi port
    Micro sd card slot
    Micro usb port
    FULL SIZE USB 2.0 port
    Bluetooth
    WiFi
    Front and rear facing cameras
    Integrated Microphone
    Integrated Speakers
    Audio Output port
    1280 X 800 IPS dispay

    I purchased 3 of them several months ago and they have been in constant use. I have had no problems.

    There is a wealth of free Windows software that runs on them, and
    it is so easy to write your own custom software for this device with C++, C#. Python, Visual Basic etc.

    I love it!.

    WinBook TW700

  20. good for schools by avandesande · · Score: 1

    A new textbook goes for 50$... so if one of these is lost or stolen the impact to school or students to pay fine are the same.

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    1. Re:good for schools by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      $50? last time I bought textbooks it was $150 a pop and the science one was $250. Where are you getting super discounted textbooks at $50?

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    2. Re:good for schools by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      You are 20 years out of date. Unless you are talking about a paperback textbook. Hardcovers usually are $80.00 Minimum, they usually are around $100-$120 range.

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    3. Re:good for schools by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

      Double that for Canada.

  21. Meh. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    RCA already wins this with a $39.00 tablet in most walmarts. $50 is overpriced for the junk level stuff.

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  22. If this is a loss leader, they're doing it wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are innumerable sub-$50 tablets out there everywhere (RCA? who knew?); see dinodirect.com (or even Amazon!)...
    Usually craptastic features like:
        Resistance Touchscreen (more common 3 years ago)
        Charge through a barrel plug (not usb)
        No IO or sensors (except a headphone jack)

    What's going to make the Amazon one special?

    captcha: goodies (seemed appropriate)

  23. Amazon actually owns .mobi by sirwired · · Score: 1

    Project Gutenberg makes their books available in the .mobi format, which the Kindles reads natively (the .azw format is based on .mobi, which Amazon picked up when they bought Mobipocket many years ago.)

  24. Re:Microcenter has better tablet at same price poi by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    That's not a real tablet. It runs a Microsoft OS.

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