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Open Source Router Firmware OpenWRT 15.05 Released

aglider writes: The newest stable iteration of the famous and glorious OpenWRT has just been released in the wild for all the supported architectures. The latest version is 15.05, codenamed "Chaos Calmer" after a cocktail drink, just like all previous ones. Major changes from the official announcements: "Linux kernel updated to version 3.18. Improved Security Features. Rewritten package signing architecture based on ed25519. Added support for jails. Added support for hardened builds. Improved Networking Support. Platform and Driver Support." For the full details you are welcome on the forums while the firmware itself and extra packages are available from the distribution servers.

94 comments

  1. Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    If it has systemd, do not want.

    1. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Dropping syslog messages, stderr, and ignoring exit statuses would make it hard to troubleshoot. Your concern is valid.

    2. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does OpenWRT have strace? Without strace, it is nearly impossible to track down problems when using systemd since it, as you noted, disregards so many of the UNIX standards.

    3. Re:Do not want by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      It uses a simple sysv style init.

    4. Re: Do not want by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Just checked menuconfig in trunk. strace is a buildable package, so theoretically, yes.

    5. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But systemd is the future. A future of dropping syslog messages, swallowing stderr, and returning a zero exit status even on failure.

    6. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These diagnostics tools can help to scratch an itch but they are conceptually wrong. Thus the widespread decision in favor of systemd.

    7. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      These diagnostics tools can help to scratch an itch but they are conceptually wrong. Thus the widespread decision in favor of systemd.

      Please explain.

    8. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Those are all concepts the systemd kids don't understand. If they don't get it then what hope do the average users of Linux have? I disagree with them, but they do have a point.

    9. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All handled differently, not centralized, difficult to find exactly what's needed, difficult to read or at least not standardized output. They are conceptually wrong because they are mostly without concept. journald fixes all that once you get used to it.

    10. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What tools can be used to troubleshoot random failed boots when using systemd?

    11. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's yes, practically. I've used strace on OpenWRT a lot.

    12. Re: Do not want by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      very cool.

    13. Re: Do not want by ls671 · · Score: 1

      All handled differently, not centralized, difficult to find exactly what's needed, difficult to read or at least not standardized output. They are conceptually wrong because they are mostly without concept. journald fixes all that once you get used to it.

      Is this about the Borg vs humans?

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    14. Re:Do not want by ls671 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Thank you, thank you.

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    15. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You don't want centralized. Ever. Monolithic is stupid when it comes to computers. See Microsoft Windows 10 Global Spyware Edition and how many of it's previous versions were botnets before Microsoft became the botnet itself.

      https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
      http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again-3569376/

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

      The Unix philosophy emphasizes building short, simple, clear, modular, and extensible code that can be easily maintained and repurposed by developers other than its creators. The Unix philosophy favors composability as opposed to monolithic design.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modularity_(programming)

      Modular programming is a software design technique that emphasizes separating the functionality of a program into independent, interchangeable modules, such that each contains everything necessary to execute only one aspect of the desired functionality.[1]

      systemd should not exist, but if they want to play with it...it should be one distro only. the systemd distro. solved and everybody is happy that doesn't want to sneak control of all linux processes worldwide.

      honestly, systemd shouldn't exist. there are no benefits and it's sneak code. Again, see what Microsoft did with Windows 10.

    16. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      just use one of the bsds. more stable, more secure. linux by now has been subverted by the commies and the control freaks. those who believe in socializing your data for some sparta type goal.

      linus sounds like a smug member of the corrupt elite by now.

    17. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      there is one tool: use a different os. bsds, l4, write your own. the mainstream stuff including most unixoid kernels is deliberately insecure.

      a secure c64 is more useful for germanic freedom than one of these swiss cheese ghz pentiums.

      the mainstream stuff is part of the global pleb surveillance system.

      linus now sounds like a member of the bushclintonkerry corruptocracy.

    18. Re:Do not want by Zeio · · Score: 2

      Dont worry, Lennart Poettering and his band of lunatics hasn't destroyed the embedded market yet - and the Android folks would just laugh at him if he tried.

      Well, maybe we do want our interfaces to be named instead of eth0 en0po1po10s1po. Besure to pepper zeros and O's to make it impossible to retype.

      One of my favorite quotes about systemd.

      systemd doesnt even know what the hell it wants to be. It is variously referred to as a 'system daemon' or a 'basic userspace building block to make an OS from' - both of which are highly ambiguous. Despite aiming to standardize Linux distributions, it itself has no clear standard, and is perpetually rolling

      I have spend huge amounts of time recently dealing with the breakage systemd has caused.

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    19. Re: Do not want by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Monolithic is stupid when it comes to computers

      ...he says, regarding an OS built on a monolithic kernel.

    20. Re: Do not want by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Warning: This post contains buzzwords known to the state of California to cause cancer.

    21. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can openwrt support EnhancedIP in its next release

    22. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can very easily 24/7-365 take the kernel source in any Linux distro and compile it on any machine with any modules included or rejected that you want to.

      The same goes for Linux routers and Android devices. You can remove all unwanted features and add every possible feature.

      Try that in Windows. You can't.

      I guess the words "Windows 10 Global Spyware Edition" triggered you. Is this an uncomfortable truth that your precious heart just cant bear to suffer? The only way I can imagine anybody defending GLOBAL SPYWARE ON AN OS BUNDLED WITH NEW PC's is if you are paid to run that lip service. Where I come from those people are called sell-outs and prostitutes. (whores)

      Enjoy your day.

      https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html
      http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again-3569376/
      http://www.networkworld.com/article/2956574/microsoft-subnet/windows-10-privacy-spyware-settings-user-agreement.html

      http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/08/22/nsa-windows-8-exploit/
      http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/07/11/microsoft-gave-the-nsa-direct-backdoor-access-to-outlook-skype/
      http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-stop-windows-10-upgrade-downloading-your-system
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/195592-with-windows-10-microsoft-could-move-to-a-subscription-based-model
      http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205320-microsoft-windows-10-will-be-the-last-version-of-windows
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GU5uv28a3I
      http://techrights.org/2015/07/31/vista-10-anticompetitive/
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRYyWn7BEo
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gghj03J_ri0
      http://localghost.org/posts/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10
      http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/

      THIS.
      https://gitlab.com/windowslies/blockwindows

      If you don't already use Linux you should be. Put it on a spare computer, put it in a virtual machine, dual boot it with Windows. It is fast and easy. YouTube has one hell of a lot of tutorials, but there are way more around than that.

    23. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're adorable.

    24. Re: Do not want by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Dropping syslog messages, stderr, and ignoring exit statuses would make it hard to troubleshoot. Your concern is valid.

      AC - The concern is not valid. To be blunt, it's ignorant. Tired of this crap on /. Try systemd, you might like it. It takes a bit getting used to, however it's all still there. Fedora/rhel 7 still support rsyslog for example. I haven't found anything they broke, a lot they fixed and made better.

      To me it's like you're arguing for a car that you still have to hand crank to start. Ok I suppose, there's clearly a better way now.

    25. Re: Do not want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're adorable.

      u know

  2. wrt1900ac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yay! It seems these "made for open source" routers are finally supported!

    However bug #20 and #21 mean Apple devices sometimes cause lock ups and nobody can fix the binary blob other than Marvell?

    1. Re:wrt1900ac by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      However bug #20 and #21 mean Apple devices sometimes cause lock ups and nobody can fix the binary blob other than Marvell?

      I've had Intel devices cause problems with the WiFi on some routers, and I've had to swap them out because my lady's Fujitsu T900 would cause the routers to hang.

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  3. Not a big deal. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really, at this point, there are not a lot of new features to add. The most exciting thing would likely be support for more routers.

    1. Re:Not a big deal. by BradMajors · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes there is... the exciting part would be the closing some of the one thousand open bugs and providing documentation.

  4. Enjoy it while you can. by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by BradMajors · · Score: 2

      Pure FUD. The FCC has no desire to get rid of openwrt. But, the claim that it does makes for good drama and everyone wants more drama.

    2. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      There'll probably a huge (black?)market for used or surplus old wifi routers. And plenty of people buying low-watt single board computers like the Raspberry Pi. Which make me wonders if the FCC will modify their proposed rules so that only only the transmitter and support chips of a router board are locked down and not the whole device since it would be fairly trivial to make a wifi router out of USB Wifi dongles.

    3. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Your wrong. The people who are actually knowledge about this issue include lawyers at the EFF, Software Freedom Law Center, campaigns people at the FSF, software developers who were responsible for drivers/firmware for some of wifi cards with *the software defined radios* that the FCC has recently passed rules on and is proposing new rules on (Adrian Chadd & Luis R. Rodriuez), OpenWRT developers, libreCMC developers, CURRENT Qualcomm employees, *one of the largest companies manufacturing routers* (who currently wishes to be left unnamed), ThinkPenguin (one of the leading companies working on free software router software and selling a 100% free software router), the person behind the recent BufferBloat improvements that made it into the mainline kernel and has significantly reduced latency, and others.

      There are people who are undermining the campaign (authors who *never* got in contact with the Save Wifi campaign) by spreading miss-information because of a lack of knowledge on *the entirety of the rules*. There are MORE rules than claimed and the FCC has been quoted as double speak (saying one thing to imply its a non-issue, but if you realize what they are saying and its implications you would know it is *a big* f'ing issue).

      After the US Canada & Europe will also be passing similar rule changes. *We are already seeing the practical implications of rules already passed and being proposed as manufacturers are adding locks (signature checking) to router firmware* whom had *never* done it before so to suggest this is being blown out of proportion is non-sense. The manufacturers are being required to revise *old* router firmware and re-certify with the locks. So routers bought yesterday that didn't have the locks bought today now have them in there firmware.

      The people being quoted by some of the authors writing articles that seem knowledge were quite miss-informed. Simply working at Qualcomm doesn't put you in a position to judge the campaign or the rules. There are *multiple* rules that are the problem some of which have passed and some of which are proposed. The rules are *NOT* straightforward. There is nothing defining software defined radio for instance and *ALL* devices now are software defined radios. *The actual lawyers* who are dealing with this havn't been quoted and the FCC is saying "we don't require locks", but the practical reality is *ALL* manufacturers will implement said locks because its the only way to comply with the rules and EVEN the FCC is assuming that the only way anybody will comply is via these locks. They EVEN stated a question during the certification process to the effect of "How will you prevent the loading of third party firmware such as DD-WRT?"
       

    4. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My what?

    5. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by mwa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh my God, thank you!

      That slight grammatical error totally obviates any rational point poster has. Thanks to you, and you *alone*, I scrolled all the way back to the top to find out just what, the fuck, you were talking about.

      You are the hero that nobody needs. At any time. Or any place

    6. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Badooleoo · · Score: 1

      The FCC only applies to 'Merica

      This wont stop it, the amateur radio operators or the rest of the world.

    7. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL HAIL THE KING OF FUD.
      He is a coward that sits upon a throne of shit!
      His cock sucking prowess is legendary!

    8. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 1

      And in an ideal world this would be true.
      Problem is the 'we only want to make one version' problem.
      Easier to secure their own product line and get it certified everywhere than an 'FCC only' version.
      There'll be open versions, we'll just loose easy and affordable access to gear we can secure and play with.
      Doesn't matter for amateurs in Oz anyway, ACMA sold off a big chunk of the 13cm band anyway.

    9. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not in the USA (you insensitive clod).

    10. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The code name should have been "THe FCC ann0yer."

    11. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by BESTouff · · Score: 1

      Please mode parent up.

    12. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This puts it well:
      http://xkcd.com/1576/

    13. Re:Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a reminder: http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

      WiFi router put in access point only mode, pfsense box attached to cable modem.

    14. Re: Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their objective is to hack into each and every wlan by means of code generated in some shitty closed source corporate setting.

      that is one of their well honed strategies: ensure the people use shitty stuff so that exploits can be built against it. hail to total sigint overlords.

      they hate freedom and pray to some mideast god of tyranny. probably called mammon.

    15. Re: Enjoy it while you can. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ this. Openbsd PF firewall in front, going to a dumb wifi access point. Problem solved.

  5. re: OpenWrt Chaos Calmer 15.05 released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same crummy website. Same inscrutable instructions.

  6. Re: OpenWrt Chaos Calmer 15.05 released by sinij · · Score: 1

    If you want pizzas out of your router firmware, go buy https://on.google.com/hub/

    Meanwhile, OpenWRT doesn't spy on you, and for the time being is secure.

  7. Netgear DGND3700 v1 by meadow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm still sticking with my Netgear DGND3700 v1 DSL modem/router all-in-one with its excellent custom firmware which includes Annex M support (for higher upload bandwidth) which my local carrier (Sonic) allows customers to toggle on.

    OpenWRT supports the router only but state that they will never support the DSL modem unfortunately.

  8. You won't be able to install OpenWRT much longer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There has been a lot of misinformation being spread by certain technical news publications about proposed rule changes. The FCC has passed rules and is proposing new rules that are *resulting in* manufacturers locking down there devices so that users can't flash OpenWRT and other third party firmware. See www.savewifi.org for more information on how you can help stop the *proposed rule changes* NOW. The rules which have already passed are also a problem and there will be further efforts to get them overturned.

    We are already seeing manufacturers add signature checking (locks) to the stock firmware they ship on *older routers* as a result of the re-certification process. Manufacturers are asked "How are you preventing the loading of third party firmware such as DD-WRT?". The FCC has been quoted saying that they don't care how its achieved, but the reality is the quick and easy way and really only way for most/all manufactures to comply with these rule changes *in practice* is to lock the devices down. The FCC quotes are misleading to those who don't understand this and at least two articles have used this to imply it is not an issue despite *many* people saying it is an important issue (even within these articles).

    There have been quotes from Qualcomm employees as well to add "clout" to the stories. These quotes were BS. The people at Qualcomm involved in the campaign, knowledgeable, and fully informed were not the people quoted. There is one current employee and actual ex-Qualcomm developers who worked on the software defined radio wifi chips now being impacted participating in the Save Wifi campaign. Adrian Chadd has reviewed the rule changes and is *working on the Save Wifi campaign*. Don't trust my words- go look at the PUBLIC mailing list archive yourself.

    Lawyers, activists, and technologists from a variety of groups who have worked on FCC rule changes in the past are also involved in the campaign. They're not agreeing with the assessment that this is a non-issue or being blown out of proportion. The Electronic Frontier Foundation AND the Free Software Foundation are both involved and *big* participants in deciphering the rule changes. They are both coming out with statements as part of the Save Wifi campaign. The Save Wifi coalition is preparing letters and setting up a campaign similar to Dear FCC, SOPA, and similar campaigns to fight this.

    The current proposed rules are what are currently at issue for the campaign, but there will be efforts to overturn rules already passed, and stop similar rules from going through in both Europe and Canada. It's no surprise that there is so much confusion as it's taken a month and participation by a dozen *highly involved* participants from different areas to grasp the significance of the problem and are still figuring out a road map on fighting it.

  9. Re: OpenWrt Chaos Calmer 15.05 released by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    Why is it crummy? Not app'd enough for you?

  10. OPenWRT will never die. by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    Why? Because a router is just a computer with multiple network cards/wifi cards. To have a new routerrun it just build a small computer.

    1. Re:OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha- you have got no idea!

      The FCC isn't just going to apply the rules to wireless routers. They are going to apply the rules to any device with a modern software defined radio in it. Your computer will likely be locked down in the near future if we don't win this...

    2. Re:OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you that we need to win this.

      However, there are plenty of PCI and PCI-E wireless cards already out there. It is fairly trivial to install 2 or 3 of them in a machine and load some wireless router / AP operating system on it.

      Realistically, I think that the new generation today is not interested in messing around with custom router firmware or trying out things such as pfsense. They are more concerned with social media, apps and emojis.

      10 years ago, you were an ultra nerd if you compiled your OS from source. Today, you are an ultra nerd if you upload a custom firmware to your wireless router via a few clicks in a GUI.

    3. Re:OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no logic in the FCC rules. Followed to its extreme all devices will be locked down. If it is capable of having a modern wifi chip then the system will have to be locked down.

    4. Re:OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      There are however already a ton of wireless cards on the market. I might even pick up a few hundred dollars worth of PCI-E cards before they start adding the new FCC locks in them. Ditto for wireless routers before manufacturers institute the FCC mandated locks (some say they are already preparing to roll this out, unfortunately).

    5. Re:OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they can't do shit

      there is opensource sdr hardware, a big community of very capable individuals, educational institutions and companies.

      they can't shut this down

      if push comes to shove, we can make our own routers from scratch

    6. Re: OPenWRT will never die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bingo. we can also build our own sigabas, if we stop be pussies addicted to android polished turd.

  11. systemd did 9-11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lennart poettering was behind everything

    osama was just a patsy

    WAKE UP PEOPLE

  12. For it to be really useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need to data cap a video streaming hog so we don't get charged for exceeding our usage allowance. I would like to limit him to 100 gb/month. What's the best way of doing this using openwrt?

    1. Re:For it to be really useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Read the documentation
      2. ...
      3. Profit

    2. Re: For it to be really useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *What* documentation (you insensitive clod) !?!

    3. Re: For it to be really useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fine documentation. OK, I'm exaggerating a bit, but if you're looking for someone to hold your hand, you're going to have to pay someone. Depending on how you want to limit the usage, the keywords are "quota", "qos", "rate limit". Various packages (with varying levels of documentation) exist for different ways of authenticating and limiting clients.

    4. Re: For it to be really useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok you're right - there is decent docs, as opposed to ddwrt which is a complete nightmare.

      P.s. I'm not the op of this thread.

  13. OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by chill · · Score: 1

    Do these groups communicate at all? I ask because I have the Buffalo WZR-1750DHPD router that comes with DD-WRT straight from the factory. Full open source, etc.

    And OpenWRT doesn't really support this router. The comments in the HW database are:

    As of OpenWrt 15.05-rc3 (Chaos Calmer):

    The 802.11an radio is not recognized.
    The 802.11bg radio is misconfigured such that most wireless clients will connect to the AP with only a very weak signal.

    Which strikes me as odd for a device that already has an open source implementation. You'd figure getting a basic function like the Wi-Fi drivers working would be fairly easy, given a working sample with source.

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    1. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your device has a broadcom soc. Broadcom has always been shitty about their drivers. AFAIK broadcom just shoves a binary blob at router manufacturers for the radio driver, so they have to design a firmware around it and can't modify broadcom's closed driver. k2.4 and k2.6 based broadcom router firmwares usually use this shitty broadcom closed radio driver. k3x uses an open third party radio driver. This might be part of the reason why OpenWRT doesn't claim to support your device.

      I'm still rockin my old rt-n16 broadcom router with k2.6 DD-WRT on it. Planning on flashing it to k3x DD-WRT today.

    2. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Informative

      comes with DD-WRT straight from the factory. Full open source, etc.

      No, dd-wrt cannot be considered a fully open source project, as Openwrt is. See "Building_DD-WRT_from_Source". And an excerpt:

      Building DD-WRT from source is difficult and according to the text here definitly not working on first try. You will see lots of strange errors and many confusing install-scripts. The forum is full of people who were not able to make this install-procedure running through. The infos in the forum is much newer than these here, but also very confusing and mixed up. (...) Brainslayer does not have the time to do everything ...

      dd-wrt really looks like more of a closed project, that still benefits from the historical confusion related to is-it-or-not-open-source. This other quote from dd-wrt wiki is interesting

      At present DD-WRT is available for free, although a different business model is being drafted by BrainSlayer in order to pay his salary, as this is his full time job

      . And it seems dd-wrt makes arrangements with some wrt makers - this is why their firmware is available sometimes way before Openwrt.
      I tried to install dd-wrt - because for some reasons it's what recommend people in forums - on some routers, and always had a problem: either instability, settings disappearing after a few reboots, features missing...

      On the other hand, Openwrt is fully open source and is easily customizable. Installed it on many routers, including for friends, shops ... never a problem, stable, efficient. I even compiled the huge source to change the way dhcp delivers info to clients. I was amazed as how the projects is clean, compiles flawlessly. A good old open source. The Openwrt volunteers put a lot of work into these small devices, and they deliver. I don't think the bigger success of dd-wrt compared to Openwrt is legitimate.

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    3. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by chill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're confusing "not open source" with "sloppy mess". From the same link you sent:

      DD-WRT is a third party developed firmware released under the terms of the GPL for many IEEE 802.11a/b/g/h/n wireless routers based on a Broadcom or Atheros chip reference design.

      Here is a tutorial on compiling DD-WRT from source: http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=269372

      The business model doesn't change the GPL nature. Brainslayer arranged professional versions with customization for commercial applications. (Note: Stock, GPL DD-WRT works find on the Buffalo WZR-1750, so it isn't a matter of close-source tweaks.)

      I'm interested in OpenWRT because it *is* a cleaner code base and more modular in nature. I like the idea of the packages vs a monolithic system. But that doesn't address the question of why one GPL project has working code for a particular system and another can't use it for their own GPL implementation.

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    4. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "open source" is a quite misleading term as individuals and companies use it to describe software some sources are available, but is also dependent on proprietary parts to even work. In a sense DD-WRT really is 'open source'. What it is not is 100% free software. There are proprietary components needed for it to run on most routers. libreCMC is a fork of openwrt that is on the other hand 100% free software.

      The openwrt developers have done a great job of keeping things mostly free, but they're not concerned about freedom (they even resisted efforts by librewrt, by refusing a patch, to inform users what is and is not free, even Debian and Ubuntu tend to do that much to one degree or another, and these distributions are clearly not 100% free). To go for 100% free or get as close to it as is humanly possible you need to think before you buy and check out libreCMC.org for a freer version of openwrt.

      Note: It's actually not even that hard to get a 100% free router as the company that is behind (ie think Cannonical to Ubuntu or Redhat to Fedora) libreCMC sells a free router product. The site/company is www.thinkpenguin.com

    5. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by RR · · Score: 2

      Do these groups communicate at all? I ask because I have the Buffalo WZR-1750DHPD router that comes with DD-WRT straight from the factory. Full open source, etc.

      That's because DD-WRT is not "full open source, etc." It's open source Linux, but closed source device drivers. It comes from Linus's "pragmatic" desire for Linux to be used, with no interest in the political reasons for the GPL.

      I don't know the process at OpenWRT exactly, but they tend to use open source drivers more than DD-WRT does. On the minus side, this means it supports much fewer devices. On the plus side, this means "supported" devices really are supported and have updates available to them, while DD-WRT is just throw a firmware at a device and never give it a feature or security update ever again even if there are open-source drivers for it.

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    6. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by Morris+von+Habsburg · · Score: 1

      I have been running OpenWRT on my Asus RT-N16 for a while now. First OpenWRT 14.07 (Barrier Breaker) and now OpenWRT 15.05 (Chaos Calmer) and it works like a charm. OpenWRT is the most stable alternative firmware I have ever used (compared to SveaSoft, DD-WRT, Tomato Toastman and Tomato Shibby).

      You’re right that Broadcom is a pain in the ass and my next router will have an Atheros chip. But if you don’t mind using closed source drivers the Asus RT-N16 works like a charm with OpenWRT.

      For anyone wanting to try OpenWRT 15.05 on an Asus RT-N16 I can recommend this post on the forum: https://forum.openwrt.org/view...

    7. Re:OpenWRT vs DD-WRT by chill · · Score: 1

      Thank you. That makes sense.

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  14. But the routers themselves suck by Lord+Duran · · Score: 1

    We are three sharing an apartment, with three laptops, a Raspberry Pi, three phones, and the occasional guest. We've gone through several D-Link and TP-Link routers. The WiFi quality sucks, there's crappy, dropping reception 5m (15 ft) from the router beyond a wall.

    What router can we buy? Do Open/DD-WRT affect performance?

    1. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's not going to be a huge difference with wifi strength if you've got a significant obstacle (concrete wall) in the way.

      Most people will get slower WAN to LAN performance with OpenWRT / DD-WRT due to fast-nat. This is only really a bottleneck if you have more than 100 mbps pipe from your ISP.

      What models of router did you use that didn't give you strong enough wifi coverage in the past?

    2. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wifi quality depends mostly on receiver sensitivity, antenna design and positioning. Unfortunately most people go for <TimTaylor>more power<TimTaylor> instead. Cranking up the power increases the noise, especially if you overdrive the output stage. Lowering the power often gives you a cleaner signal that you can then focus with a directional antenna to get the same output power in the direction where you need good coverage. That same antenna will also lower the total received noise, because it tunes out the other directions.

      You say you live in an apartment. Is there a chance that you have neighbors who use analog wireless video bridges or baby phones? Maybe someone has a leaky microwave oven? Wifi is always a challenge in an environment with lots of contention for the limited spectrum.

    3. Re:But the routers themselves suck by sanf780 · · Score: 1

      Most consumer devices expect a few number of devices on the WiFi, specially the cheap ones. If possible, get as much as you can wired. Otherwise, it is the usual: relocate your router/access point, get a device with large antennas, bring down the wall, turn off the mobile phones.

    4. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Move your AP to channel 11. Trust me on this one.

    5. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Lord+Duran · · Score: 1

      All neighbors are older, youngest kids are in the 8-10 year old range.

      Leaky microwave - it's possible.

      Directional antenna - tinfoil style? Or does it require a purchase?

    6. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Lord+Duran · · Score: 1

      I currently have a D-Link DIR-685 (which works ok 80% of the time). There's a TP-Link WR941ND and a W8951ND which doubled as an ADSL modem. We've gone through a couple more which we don't have anymore. All with stock firmware.

    7. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one works for me, which in my case means it turns a connection between two access points that was more off than on into a stable link. The materials are cheap and easy to work with, but the lengths and the spacing really are critical, so don't half-ass it. Built and placed correctly, this antenna acts like a four-fold power and sensitivity increase in the main direction (and a reduction in other directions, obviously). Adjust transmitter power accordingly to stay within legal limits.

    8. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the rest of the 10 AP's in range use channel 11 with a 20/40MHz Secondary channel for N?

    9. Re:But the routers themselves suck by imidan · · Score: 2

      I dealt with this for years with D-Link and Linksys (now bought by Cisco) access points. They had all kinds of problems, and I was constantly rebooting them. At one point, I went so far as to wire a relay into a power strip, hook it up via serial cable to a computer, and wrote a script to monitor the access point and reset the power when it got too shitty (at least once a day). A couple of years ago, I bought an Apple Airport Express and an HP Procurve 1410-8G switch (the Airport Express only has something like 1 or 2 ethernet ports). I have reset this setup only a handful of times since I put it in, and most of those times it turned out to be a problem with my cable modem or provider, not my access point.

      The downsides of the Apple hardware are that it has no web interface, and of course there is no way to load 3rd party firmware. But I'd rather make do with Apple's mediocre interface software than the absolute shit that we put up with when using D-Link or Linksys. Oh, and I mostly don't use Apple computers at home, it's all Windows and Linux. Just saying, I have no particular Apple fetish--I've just found that for me, that access point solved my problems.

    10. Re:But the routers themselves suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google for CANTENNA. Works very well in my experience.

  15. Re: OpenWrt Chaos Calmer 15.05 released by chill · · Score: 1

    So did you really mean "pizzazz", as in "an attractive combination of vitality and glamour"? Or "pizzas". Because if you've figured out how to get a router firmware to spit out a pepperoni with extra cheese, then sir, your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  16. Re:You won't be able to install OpenWRT much longe by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Now *this* is news, maybe I'm skipping over stories but I don't think this was posted oin Slashdot's front page? This is important.

  17. Re:You won't be able to install OpenWRT much longe by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    I guess I did miss this one, thanks to this poster for pointing it out

  18. FCC rules not the problem by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    Radio firmware is commonly already separated from system firmware. The problem is the manufacturers who won't just make this standard. If you can't reflash the radios, then there's no problem.

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  19. I'm a bit freaked out at the moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just updated a router with a complicated configuration (several wireless networks, manual firewall configuration, switch configured with multiple VLANs, web interface through ssh only, wireless on a channel outside of 1-11, etc.) from Barrier Breaker to Chaos Calmer, and absolutely everything just keeps working. I want to complain about this somehow, because it freaks me the hell out, but I don't know what to complain about. What the fuck, folks.

    1. Re:I'm a bit freaked out at the moment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's good news. I'm still waiting and scanning the forum to see if any major problems pop up from upgrading. Still on fence whether I should upgrade, because 14.07 is working like a dream currenctly.

      I know it's not considered good practice to upgrade from one version to another and keep the configuration files, but it worked before for me going from 12. to 14..

  20. Care to Elaborate ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "..to cause cancer."

  21. Re:You won't be able to install OpenWRT much longe by harryjohnston · · Score: 1

    Surely this won't stop manufacturers from shipping routers with OpenWRT built in? (Well, I guess it will if OpenWRT is GPLv3, but that should be easily fixed.)