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Microsoft Resurrects the Title of President

theodp writes: Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella promoted General Counsel Brad Smith to president and chief legal officer Friday, the first time Microsoft has had a company-wide president since 2002. Smith has been Microsoft's point person on convincing Congress of America's tech-worker shortage, an assertion that is disputed by others. At a 2012 forum on STEM education and immigration reform, Smith discussed "producing a crisis" to galvanize action on Microsoft's National Talent Strategy, which calls for increasing the number of H-1B visas to ostensibly make up for U.S. children's lack of CS-savvy. Coincidentally, a real national K-12 CS and tech immigration crisis emerged shortly thereafter, thanks to the efforts of new deep-pocketed nonprofit organizations like Code.org (headed by Smith's next-door neighbor) and Mark Zuckerberg's FWD.us PAC. Smith is a Code.org Board member and a FWD.us 'Major Contributor'. "We took this idea of connecting immigration to education last fall," Smith explained to the Daily Princetonian in 2013, "and when I started in September, we were the only ones talking about it. To have the White House endorse it, to have it embodied in the Senate Bill, to have people in both houses of Congress supporting it means that potentially this is a magic moment for some important steps for education reform as well." While crying crisis wolf to further its agenda has worked well for Microsoft, a Federal judge recently overturned 'emergency' tech immigration changes enacted by Homeland Security in 2008, saying that "the 17-month duration of the STEM extension appears to have been adopted directly from the unanimous suggestions by Microsoft."

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  1. Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another linkfest anti-education diatribe by Theodp. How much is theodp paying to get this garbage posted here?

    1. Re:Oh no by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Brad Smith is that you....

  2. come to JeBus by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    alrighty then. since Resurrects is in the terminology.... then religion is acceptable in discussion. yep, prior art.

    1. Re:come to JeBus by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Funny

      The positions name should be "Divine Ruler". That would return Microsoft to the good old days when Gates ruled by divine right, whatever Microsoft decreed inevitably became the standard, and Linus was some obscure guy in a research position. A newly anointed leader is all that's required.

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    2. Re: come to JeBus by Champaklal · · Score: 1
      It's unbelievable. We all know it to be a humanitarian company. No one can ever say that on this planet, it's so cruel.

      He said the same to me. He was so happy that my son died. He was very clear that he didn't want Microsoft employees to have children.

    3. Re: come to JeBus by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Forget to tick the post anonymously button?

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    4. Re: come to JeBus by Champaklal · · Score: 1

      I'm already anonymous. also, I'm not saying anything against MS.

  3. Could condense summary to "theodp writes"... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    I'm detecting a certain sameness to the stuff that theodp has been posting. Anyone else notice it?

  4. Re:About fucking time. by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    FTMD....Marketing is the first to know and the first to go when it hits the fan.

  5. Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    End protectionism now. Creating artificial labor shortages when there are tons of people willing to do the work is as bad as artificial subsidies on goods and commodities.

    1. Re:Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      H-1Bs aren't a "free labor market" though. They're a distortion and an end run around the system, bringing in semi-indentured workers who are largely tied to one job, and unable to freely compete. Supposedly, they're only brought in at a much higher rate of pay than the going rate. In practice, most of them are brought in at the absolute minimum, working for Consulting firms that then contract out for work, so the H-1B isn't "replacing" a US worker at the consulting firm, but the Consulting firm sure as hell is contracting out to replace job duties formerly held by US workers. See the recent bits with Disney and SoCal Edison, for instance.

      I'd much rather have skilled people just being sponsored for green cards, and then allowed to compete. But guess what - Microsoft and Facebook and all these companies aren't actually interested in that, they want H-1Bs. Gee, wonder why that could be.

    2. Re:Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's kind of odd that we have this huge shortage of STEM workers, while at the same time, we have tens of thousands of unemployed STEM workers and more getting laid off every day. If only there was some way of using unemployed STEM workers to cure the shortage of STEM workers. But I guess you can't cram a square peg into a square hole.

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    3. Re: Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      return to working "hundreds"

      For the readers here that don't live in Seattle, that typically means working 16 hours per day Mon-Thur and 12 hours per day Fri-Sun for a total of a hundred hours per week. That is standard for a Seattle-area startup.

    4. Re:Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Zuck's product is FREE*, so anyone can afford it.

    5. Re:Whatever it takes to get more H1B's in by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      >It's kind of odd that we have this huge shortage of STEM workers, while at the same time, we have tens of thousands of unemployed STEM workers

      It's a huge shortage of competent STEM workers. I get a slew of resumes every week from unqualified STEM workers who should damned well stay unemployed.

      How do you know they are incompetent? Did you interview them? Or are you just going by the fact that they didn't meet your job requirements which specify expert level competency in three dozen different skillsets, some of which are on software written and used only at your company, and others of which require 10 years of programming in 5 year old languages? You see, most STEM workers in the U.S., would answer truthfully, but headhunting agencies in India will gladly lie to you about having all of those requirements, including the impossible ones.

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  6. A timely story by theodp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But, the summary sounds just a wee bit similar to

    this one.

    And this one.

    Oh, and there's this one.

    Not to mention this one.

    Maybe you missed this one?

    Or how about this one?

    Because Theodp doesn't have any sort of agenda, does he?

    Nahhh...

    1. Re:A timely story by theodp by GrandCow · · Score: 1

      Who gives a shit? I like the fact that companies are stressing how important learning to code is to kids in K-12. What agenda are you trying to imply other than "coding is good"? I support teaching children at least the basics of coding.

      The only thing you could be pushing is that companies want more H1-B's so they can get cheap coders, but the fact that they're trying to get coding into basic education goes against exactly that.

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    2. Re:A timely story by theodp by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Wow Microsoft trolls are out in full force....

    3. Re:A timely story by theodp by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Wow just wow. You don't understand how this works do you. In order to get the more H1B-Visas, Microsoft et.al., need to give the appearance that they give a rats ass about educating American to make up for this false shortage of workers. If you've read any of the article about the subject, it's the carrot to get Congress to increase H1B-Visas.

  7. Separate H1Bs by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As someone who has benefited from the STEM extension, it is strange that they are targeting this, instead of fixing the H1b issue.

    I got my doctoral degree in STEM, and did not get my H1b in the lottery system the first time. If I was forced to leave, the US would have spent nearly half a million dollars on my education, and got one year of tax (not counting my research work, which is freely available to anyone) in return.

    Like most people making use of the STEM extension, I am being paid as much or more than my US co-workers. This isn't a "consulting" gig where I am forced to work for my company at sub-standard wages under pain of getting kicked out of the US - STEM graduates have been educated in renowned US universities, and I had four job offers by the time I graduated.

    I think there should be a different H1b tracks for people who are hired "internally" i.e. the person is already in the US, and was educated here (people who currently benefit from the 17-month STEM extension), and the other type of H1b that I hear exists (where a company brings in people from overseas purely to do a job).

    1. Re: Separate H1Bs by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      In Australia for instance, someone with a local university degree in something useful can just apply for permanent residence as a "skilled migrant". H1B is a guest worker program however, it's for bringing people in to do a specific job at a specific company, not retaining talent in the country, so it's not a particularly good scheme in your case. So I think shutting down the 17 month system makes a bit of sense as it was a loophole to begin with. It's not that it should be a seperate stream, but it should be a seperate visa entirely, and should allow applicants to move between jobs, since they were hired locally anyway. If America doesn't have such a visa, that's fine, since many countries do.

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    2. Re:Separate H1Bs by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      why is the US government spending half a million on someone to go to school here when we have some groups here in america that have a 50% failure rate?

      dont take this wrong, I am happy that you were able to get the education you did, however I just think that money (americans money) would be better spent on educating americans

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    3. Re:Separate H1Bs by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      why is the US government spending half a million on someone to go to school here when we have some groups here in america that have a 50% failure rate? dont take this wrong, I am happy that you were able to get the education you did, however I just think that money (americans money) would be better spent on educating americans

      Send that one to Donald Trump . . . he will make a field day out of that one for the rest of his campaign, however long that might last. Meanwhile, Hilary Clinton said she was "So, Sorry!", and that she "wasn't thinking" when she gave the guy half a million.

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    4. Re:Separate H1Bs by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      im sorry but.... what???

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    5. Re:Separate H1Bs by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      im sorry but.... what???

      "Get your lips away from the crack pipe" :-)

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    6. Re:Separate H1Bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's called basic research, which is what fuels most of the high-tech industry and is one of the things that the rest of the world would die to get their hands on. You fund the top research, so that your universities get to the top, get the best people, spin off the best startups, attract VC money etc. It's very much a game of reputation which you win by providing the best resources, i.e. reasonable salary and great labs. If the National Science Foundation or the Department of Defense would spend that same money on fixing all the impoverished high-schools, you would tank the US economy in a heartbeat, since you do need to focus funds at the cutting edge.

      Another option is only educating Americans with that science funding, but it's not such a great idea, because basic research is very "brain dependent" and you would constrain yourself to a fraction of the world's population. This is also one of the areas where a university has absolutely zero incentive to choose a foreigner over an equally qualified American (since everyone in a PhD program gets paid the same), so the foreigners accepted do tend to be very good, i.e. they are not some cheap resource pulled in the replace locals.

      The last time someone actually tried to purge a sizable chunk of the brain pool from universities was the Nazis in Germany. German universities were at the time the top institutions in the world. Jews were banned causing the top people to go to the US. This is what made American universities rise to the top, a place they have held ever since. The gap seems to only be growing, since especially in STEM fields, you do not need strong language skills, so universities are really able to recruit the top talent the world has to offer.

      BTW, that half a million is mostly costs incurred by running a university lab, which gets divided by the number of grad students working in it.

    7. Re:Separate H1Bs by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      There is jackass. There are different Visa programs: O-1 and EB-1. How the fuck did the US government spend $500,000 on your education? Unless you are talking about research grants, in which case they would be available to other researchers, not just you. Move along troll.

    8. Re:Separate H1Bs by Kwyj1b0 · · Score: 1

      There is jackass. There are different Visa programs: O-1 and EB-1. How the fuck did the US government spend $500,000 on your education? Unless you are talking about research grants, in which case they would be available to other researchers, not just you. Move along troll.

      O-1 is an extremely hard category to get a visa under. EB-1 is not a visa, it is a permanent residence stream (which is what my employer can file for my green card under, IF they choose). Again, EB-1 is extremely hard to get a green card under - it is for exceptional researchers who are presented as such valuable resources that the country would suffer a significant loss if they weren't allowed to remain (hint, most Ph.D. holders are not, despite what their lawyers might argue).

      As for who was eligible for the money - yes, the money was available to my advisor to spend on anyone he chose. He chose to spend it on me because he felt my contributions were valuable. The fact that it could have potentially gone to someone else: why is that relevant?

      And how did they spent nearly half a million on me? I got a stipend, a tuition waiver, health insurance, travel reimbursement, the occasional computers/software, and full pay in summers for 6 years. So that is nearly $50,000 per year (I was in an expensive state, my initial stipend was over $2k a month) that is shown to the funding agency (NSF). On top of that, there is a university overhead: For every $1 my advisor could spend, the funding agency would have to give $1.5-$1.75, while the university skimmed off the top. That adds up fast, and I rounded up.

  8. Meet Brad Smith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Our new scapegoat.

    1. Re:Meet Brad Smith by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I've learned the hard way that scapegoats are in big demand. Just remember to leave your self worth at the door.

  9. Re:Proposal: The Auction System. by theodp · · Score: 1

    Funny you should suggest this. From Microsoft "Bait and Switch" Could Mean a Huge Increase in Foreign Tech Workers: "The company proposed a novel workaround: If the federal government would raise the H1-B cap by 20,000 additional visas and make available an equal number of additional green cards, Microsoft said it would be willing to pay nearly four times the usual fees, handing over $10,000 per H-1B visa and $15,000 per green card. It called its proposal the National Talent Strategy because the additional revenue-more than $500 million annually-would be used to fund STEM education programs around the country...With the coalition in its corner, Microsoft approached a bipartisan group of senators to craft what would become the Immigration Innovation, or "I-Squared" Act. And that's where the alleged "lobbying malpractice" came in. The act, as promised, would boost the caps on visas and green cards and use the fees to pay for STEM education. But in a crucial difference that has angered some of Microsoft's would-be allies, the bill would nearly quintuple the number of available visas-raising the cap to 300,000-and charge companies far less for them: as little as $1,825 apiece. Microsoft, which helped draft the bill, appeared pleased with the end result. "Today's introduction in the Senate of the bipartisan Immigration Innovation Act is a major step forward," Brad Smith, the company's general counsel and executive vice president said in a January press release issued by Compete America, a coalition of tech companies such as Microsoft and outsourcing firms such as Deloitte. "Microsoft strongly supports this legislation and urges Congress to send broader immigration reform that includes these solutions to the President's desk this year."

  10. lol, sure... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    Smith has been Microsoft's point person on convincing Congress of America's tech-worker shortage, an assertion that is disputed by others

    It's an assertion that's been proven to be utter horseshit. FTFY, BTW.

    1. Re:lol, sure... by rfengr · · Score: 1

      "I work for a company that makes recruiting software, and the number of applicants per position for dev jobs is only a fraction of what it is for others." Sounds like the software you write is shit.

  11. Whoop Dee Doo by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I think I speak for many of us when I say, "Who gives a shit?"

    So they renamed or reshuffled some titles for the goobers at the top, so fucking what?

    If they hadn't put out a press release that slashdot promptly regurgitated, I'd have never known anything had happened.

    "Stuff that matters" indeed.

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  12. At least they're relevant, even if biased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Even if there is some bias, at least those submissions are relevant to technology. We should be thankful that they're at least about software and the software industry. There's a Slashdot imitation site, called SoylentNews, which has a particular user (gewg_) who repeatedly submits extremely biased, far-left submissions. These often link to sketchy articles and sites that even fellow lefties think are way too questionable, and not to be taken seriously. Even worse, most of these submissions have absolutely nothing to do with science or technology or computing or software or hardware or mathematics or anything useful like that. They're typically 100% political in nature, and they're often about some police officers somewhere who had to reasonably defend themselves from attacks perpetrated by violent criminals. For whatever reason, the editors over there end up promoting those shitty, disreputable submissions to the front page of the SoylentNews site. At least we haven't seen anything as bad as that happen here. I'll take these possibly-biased submissions that are at least on-topic any day over those awful ones at SoylentNews that are about some petty and irrelevant political matter.

  13. sucks to be Scott Charney, I guess... by xeno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After all that bluster about security and privacy, ten years of "Trustworthy Computing" and Scott Charney poised to head to some White House role as the voice of Microsoft, it's all fallen apart. Scott's sidelined, TwC effectively disbanded and it's security and privacy groups laid off or rolled into the Windows group, and all the new hot noise and hubub is about sending Brad to grow the army of sheltered Satya-style bro-grammers to churn out even more shit code. So much for the idea of BETTER products; We'll just brace for MORE of the same minimally-tested, designed-by-assumption, cloud-based/bing-telemetry-sucking, insecure dreck. Woohoo.

    The H1B debate is irrelevant; when the direction and mission of the enterprise is so fundamentally disorganized, orthagonal to real-world business use cases, and requires dismantling national labor legal structures, the "need" for more tech workers to get there is a nonsequitur. Microsoft is looking at Google in 2015, with the same curious lack of understanding as IBM looked at Microsoft in the 1990's -- not understanding the landscape itself had changed, and vigourosly agitating for more mainframe system programmers. More H1Bs would make the same difference to Microsoft now as IBM then.

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  14. Re:So you agree with GP? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

    I don't, but the reason I don't agree is because they're proposing a Manichean view, whereas the actual reality is far more nuanced than that. The tech moguls don't want a truly free market, but nor do they want the current one either. Instead, they want the "best" of both worlds.

    What do I mean? Well, they want the ability to pay lower wages, if not third world wages, without actually having to move their operations lock stock and barrel to India or wherever else, and thus having to pay either in the short or long term for the other costs that would incur. In short, they want to have their cake and eat it too, and make the rest of us foot the bill, effectively.

    So, no, I disagree that a fully free labor market is the exact opposite, because that completely ignores the fact that there are other things that a country like the US provides, and you can't completely divorce the labor market from that. I absolutely do believe that we should allow for immigration of the best and brightest - but that's not cheap, and what these companies really care about is getting access to the cheapest possible worker, over whom they have the largest possible control.

  15. Re:So you agree with GP? by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    Even if they offload the job to another country, the inconvenience of it is not worth the price. A country I was talking to recently is paying a company in India the equivalent of $75k per year for a developer. In the U.S. depending where you are, you can get a developer for less than that. After you add in benefits, it certainly exceeds that amount, but there is the hidden cost of having to deal with someone halfway around the world, who works different hours, speaks a different language, has a different culture and work ethic, is difficult to ascertain or vet their skill set, cannot be easily held accountable for project milestones, or work completion, difficult to control or manage overtime or immediate response scenarios, etc, etc.

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  16. When you promote a lawyer to President ... by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When you promote a lawyer to President, you are no longer a tech company. What you are saying is that technology is not longer your highest priority.

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    1. Re:When you promote a lawyer to President ... by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's quite interesting and also explains the changes we have seen lately - transition from a company providing a necessity to a company that spies on the users.

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    2. Re:When you promote a lawyer to President ... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      When you promote a Marketing hack to President, you are no longer a tech company. What you are saying is that technology is not longer your highest priority.

      FTFY - Dogbert Correctness Committee

  17. Re:So you agree with GP? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    And they want to sell their products in captive markets protected by the government making importing the products from elsewhere where they sell it cheaper (or even give it away free in some cases) illegal.

    They'll stop when they've pumped the wealth out of the richer companies and no one can afford to pay any more.

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  18. Re:Take it to India by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Do they offer B1H's over there?

  19. Re: About fucking time. by Champaklal · · Score: 1

    Surprisingly, I didn't hear anything. What was it that you heard? Are you sure it was Microsoft and not Amazon (i'm talking about last month when Amazon was in news for workers alleged they mistreated them)?

  20. none of the articles are about technology by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    it's ALL about USA POLITICS, mostly immigration politics.

    usa immagration policies ARE NOT TECH NEWS. and extremely boring for someone who has no interest in moving to USA. like, wtf, is this news for nerds or news for "I wanna move to USA from Calcutta" ? da fuq?

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  21. Re:I am selling my MSFT stock, had enough by iampiti · · Score: 1

    It's a pity that people haven't reacted to Win 10 with the same intensity as they did to the announcement of the required always-on connectivity to use the new Xbox. Maybe that way they'd get scared and release a decent Windows OS again.
    Maybe the fact that Xbox has a ver close replacement (Ps4 runs most of the same games) had something to do with that backtrack. In contrast, with Windows there exists no almost equivalent replacement and by what I mean a OS that runs the same software. Older Windows versions count to a degree because they will be abandoned shortly, and Wine and ReactOS aren't still compatible enough