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Northern California Wildfire Destroys American Telephony Museum

alphadogg writes: In this day of smartphones, cell towers and wearables, the American Museum of Telephony in the Mountain Ranch community of northern California preserved artifacts of a much different world of communications. But the museum, along with surrounding residences, burnt to the ground late last week during the raging Butte Fire and it's assumed that the collection is largely lost. The operator is vowing to rebuild.

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  1. American Museum of Telephony? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Your link could not be completed, please try again."

  2. Never mind .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There are still plenty of museum pieces delivering "broadband internet" all over the USA.

  3. Flashback to WKRP... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 2

    If only the Phone Cops had been able to call in the Phone Firemen...

  4. There were melted cords everywhere! by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    Do you know what burning copper smells like? DO YOU? Well, I do!

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    1. Re:There were melted cords everywhere! by TWX · · Score: 1

      So, how's the MG running these days?

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    2. Re:There were melted cords everywhere! by nytes · · Score: 1

      Oh, the telephony!!!

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  5. Another name for the American Museum of Telephony by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Seattle.

  6. Vowing to rebuild ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the operator is vowing to rebuild ...

    Dun dun DUN!

    1. Re: Vowing to rebuild ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One would think that the operator would be vowing to still take your call.

  7. Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One would thing they would at least have had the common sense to evacuate the exhibits...

    1. Re:Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by TWX · · Score: 2

      There was no ample warning; the radio talked about people that were literally pulled from their homes by the firemen attempting to fight the fire as the fireline approached residences. The people responsible for the museum were probably themselves too busy with their personal problems to take time to save the museum contents.

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    2. Re: Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The firefighters were arguing about how to pronounce "telephony". ("The stress is on third syllable from the end: tel-E-phon-y." "No, that doesn't apply to TellyTubbies, and it doesn't apply here." etc.)

    3. Re: Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by TWX · · Score: 1

      When Microsoft attempted to implement it I remember people pronouncing it "telePHONY". But I think they were limiting that pronounciation to Microsoft's implementation only.

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    4. Re:Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You would think that people who live and work in areas that are prone to forest fires would have the sense to build using fireproof materials AND clear the trees and underbrush for at least a hundred yards from their structures.

      But no.

    5. Re:Given The Ample Warning of Approaching Fire by charlesr44403 · · Score: 1

      In fact the really rare stuff was saved. They had hours to get stuff out of there before the fire reached it.

  8. Raging butte fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    We are not going to be mature about this.

    1. Re:Raging butte fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One is left to assume that it was started when somebody tried lighting a fart.

  9. Am I the only one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That read "raging butte fire" and lol'd so hard?

  10. SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by lesincompetent · · Score: 0

    Meucci akhbar!

    1. Re: SubjectsInCommentsAreStupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up rag head

  11. Butte Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had that once after some Mexican food.

  12. Re:Another name for the American Museum of Telepho by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Funny

    Skylar and me, we prefer the warm, rich sound that you can only get from a pre-1930's phone. But I guess the rest of you are used to settling for your lame digital phones.

    [takes hit off bong]

    And did I mention that we were into that band before they went mainstream and poseurs like you jumped on the bandwagon?

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  13. Working link by rfrenzob · · Score: 1
  14. Hahahaha by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    raging Butte Fire

    Hahaha haha. Hahahaha. Hah!

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  15. *snicker* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you said raging butte fire

  16. Operator is rebuilding by Pascoea · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see what you did there.

    1. Re:Operator is rebuilding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see that you're a fucking moron.

      Hugs and kisses,

      Juan Epstein

    2. Re:Operator is rebuilding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can donate an ancient relic called a Nokia.

  17. Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know if anything in their collection was irreplaceable, or extremely rare?
    Do they have insurance?

    1. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Their website shows very old party-line and hand-crank wooden phones. I doubt that there are many examples of these left as when they would have been replaced in-service they wouldn't have been worth anything.

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    2. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Their website shows very old party-line and hand-crank wooden phones.

      How do you have a Telephony Museum and not have a Motorola RAZR flip phone?

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    3. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Their website shows very old party-line and hand-crank wooden phones. I doubt that there are many examples of these left as when they would have been replaced in-service they wouldn't have been worth anything.

      There's probably lots of examples in barns still, but they're rotten, rusty, and moldy. People with space don't throw things away.

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    4. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Stuff like this? http://www.shopgoodwill.com/au... They're really not that uncommon. Yes, one case is anecdotal but I knew exactly where to do a search to find one, and that's not the only example at Goodwill. eBay will get you more but at higher prices.Now, I would imagine they might have had specific makes & models that were more collectible than others, but the style of phone isn't in short supply.

    5. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Wow. I have two Telephony Museums!

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    6. Re:Any Irreplaceable Artifacts Lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you're proven an off topic troll and ran "person" http://developers.slashdot.org...

  18. raging Butte Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got that from a burrito once.

    1. Re:Raging Butte Fire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Northern California.

  19. "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Clicking it gets you nowhere.

    1. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where are you expecting it to take you? The article says it was burned down. The web site too!

    2. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clicking it gets you nowhere.

      Maybe the server burnt up too?

    3. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clicking it gets you nowhere.

      Clicking? Did you try using the rotary dial instead?

    4. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      this post would be in morse code however it wont allow me to post it

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    5. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please refresh and try your click again

    6. Re: "American Telephony Museum" -- not a link by dkman · · Score: 1

      ... --- ...

      Filter error: Your comment looks too much like ascii art.

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  20. ATDL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the operator is vowing to rebuild ... :sigh missed opportunity:
    the operator is vowing to redial ... )(*&)%&#()@)^(*@$^()_*&@)(^*^^NO CARRIER

    1. Re:ATDL by cusco · · Score: 1

      Of course they are, just like the idiots that have their house destroyed by flooding for the third or fourth time always rebuild in the same spot.

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  21. Re:Another name for the American Museum of Telepho by TWX · · Score: 1

    *laugh*

    On the other hand, back when Bell owned literally the entire telephone network from the handset to the central office they designed their telephones to last for decades and to provide good call quality. Once the regulations changed and now anyone could manufacture/sell a telephone, the quality of non-Western-Electric phones dropped so far that there are many old landline phones that have terrible acoustic properties. I know because my parents were cheapskates and we had them.

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  22. Don't Panic! by RealGene · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fortunately, the Telephone Museum, AKA The New England Museum of Telephony in Ellsworth, Maine hasn't burned down.
    This museum has several *working* switches, including a #3 and a #5 crossbar switch, dozens of switchboards, and other cool stuff.
    http://thetelephonemuseum.org/exhibits/

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    1. Re:Don't Panic! by erikscott · · Score: 1

      If you're reading this article, you may also be interested in the E. H. Danner Museum of Telephony located on the grounds of Fort Concho National Historic Landmark in San Angelo, TX. While there, you might as well see the Robert Wood Johnson Museum of Frontier Medicine, also on the grounds. Don't go on a full stomach. And that's about all there is to do in San Angelo.

    2. Re:Don't Panic! by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      Well, if you the sort of degenerate freak that's into that sort of thing, there's still the Georgia Rural Telephone Musuem

      "#1 of 1 things to do in Leslie, GA"

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    3. Re:Don't Panic! by erikscott · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. If I degenerate enough, and if I just happen to be in Walking Dead country, then yeah... I might visit the place. But that's two unlikely things that have to happen at the same time. :-)

  23. unlike modern phones... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    Unlike modern phones, some of those probably will just need the ashes blown out and a new wood case and will probably be fully functional again.

    When I was young, we had one of those bakelite rotary phones. That was a hell of a tough phone. I'm pretty sure the handset would be considered a deadly weapon by today's standards. My sister and I laughed like crazy when we saw someone in a spy movie kill someone with the same model phone we had.

  24. Nice non-link, there by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    The summary shows an underline, and my cursor changes to indicate that I can click on it. Yet, nothing happens when I click on it. Nice mangling of html there, slashdot. Is it supposed to be some sort of twisted play on the fact that the museum burned to the ground?

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  25. Poor protection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having a priceless collection in a location prone to fires sounds like a recipe for a lost collection. It's easy to be wise now that it went wrong, but whatever happened to fireproof walls?

    I went to a museum in Germany a few years ago. As an engineer, I found the building to be at least as interesting as the content (though the content was interesting). It was covered with metal plates, all connected by wires and it had several ground connectors. In other words the entire building was inside a faraday cage, making it more or less immune to lightning strikes. Also being metal, sparks would not start a fire, though a blaze in a nearby building could likely radiate enough heat through the wall to make the building self ignite. It's likely that wouldn't happen though as the fire station was within walking distance, which mean the fire brigade would likely be able to keep it cold enough not to ignite. With items dating back as far as the 16th century, I'm pretty sure they (owner/insurance) thought of all scenarios they could think of and found a way to counter as many as possible.

    Looks like at least some people in the US could learn from German quality.

    1. Re:Poor protection? by meadow · · Score: 1

      Its odd, I was just reading the other day about the earliest known manuscript of Beowolf that was badly damaged in a fire in 1731. In this day and age when everyone is forced to pursue practical education and training, I would love to learn Old English (and several other really cool ancient languages like Hittite) just because its cool. Its a sign of a collapsing culture when education becomes more and more about "necessities" like vocational and job training and you can't even get a course in Sanskrit or Attic Greek.

    2. Re:Poor protection? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Well, they built the National Corvette Museum in a place prone to sinkholes.

      Conversely, the Salvador Dali Museum in St Pete was built to resist hurricanes. Time will tell on that one.

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    3. Re:Poor protection? by cusco · · Score: 1

      I was living, well, surviving, in St. Pete when the Dali museum opened. My roommate and I took one of rare days off to make 'greenies', and go to the museum. Neither of us had ever backed with pot before, and were really disappointed half an hour later when we felt almost nothing. We left for the museum anyway, and as we were walking into the building I stopped and said to Dan, "Holy crap, I just realized how fucked up I am!" He agreed that he was every bit as toasted. It was a very interesting four hours at the museum.

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  26. Uh hihuhuuh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Raging butte fire"

  27. Re:Another name for the American Museum of Telepho by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Didn't Pac Bell send its old ESS switches down to sunny Mexico?

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  28. Well, the origina dual plugger prototype is still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the origina dual plugger prototype is still on displace in the place of its creation in the former home of its designer Alberto Santos-Dumont in Petropolis, Brazil. Next to it is a framed letter from Thomas Edison praising him on his invention. While at the same time, a few thousand miles away in the US, Edison subsequently then plagiarized and took credit for it by filing the patent at the US patent office. As another aside, look up Santos-Dumont. He demonstrated powered flight several years before the Wright brother at an air show in Paris in plane called: 14 Bis. He is one of the many inventors in history that was brilliant when it came to science and an idiot that when it came to publicity and business. I'd wager that most of you have never even heard of him.

  29. Re:Another name for the American Museum of Telepho by plcurechax · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, back when Bell owned literally the entire telephone network from the handset to the central office they designed their telephones to last for decades and to provide good call quality. Once the regulations changed and now anyone could manufacture/sell a telephone, the quality of non-Western-Electric phones dropped so far that there are many old landline phones that have terrible acoustic properties. [...]

    Well, really early telephones have terrible acoustic properties, from the simple fact that the microphone and speaker elements were quite primitive -- carbon elements (IIRC) on paper cones with Alnico (not ceramic or rare earth) magnets.

    I think it may of been the 1950s or 60s, perhaps earlier, but Bell standardized on filtering audio to pass voice frequencies in the 300 to 3400 Hertz range. I believe this (or a 300-3k Hz simplification) became an ITU standard.

    I agree the build quality of Western Electric (and Nortel) telephones, particularly business phones were impressive in how ruggedly build "office equipment" was built.

    Here's an interesting look at audio quality of modern (digital) mobile phones, from IEEE Spectrum (free access), Why Mobile Voice Quality Still Stinks—and How to Fix It

  30. 3D Printing to the Rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They'll use 3D printing to replicate all the artifacts. The public will never know . . .

  31. Re:Well, the origina dual plugger prototype is sti by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    He demonstrated powered flight several years before the Wright brother at an air show in Paris in plane called: 14 Bis.

    According to all the references I can find, that flight happened in 1906, three years after Kitty Hawk. Many people who were unaware of the Wright Brothers (afraid of having their ideas stolen, the Wrights mostly avoided publicity) hailed him as the first man to fly, but the Wrights did manage it beforre him.

  32. Sad, but it's not the only such museum by markana · · Score: 1

    There's a very nice telephone museum (with lots of working switch gear) in Seattle. And another little one in the (very) rural town of Cle Elum, WA. And probably lots more scattered around the country. I suspect that these smalls town are where the old Strowgers, crossbars, and crank phones retire to. Then the townsfolk build museums around them when they finally die :-)

  33. Raging Butte Fire by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

    ... "raging Butte Fire"... seriously? its called the raging butt fire? W T F

  34. Re:Another name for the American Museum of Telepho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the quality of non-Western-Electric phones dropped so far that there are many old landline phones that have terrible acoustic properties

    And the price dropped with them. As long as non-telephone companies have been making telephones, you could get well built ones though. You just had to pay a lot more, and sometimes have to look for ones targeting business or public use.

  35. website's back up... by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    JKL MUSEUM OF TELEPHONY
    Dedicated to preserving telephone history

    oh. oops, ow. SNRK

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