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YouTube 'Dancing Baby' Copyright Ruling Sets Pre-Trial Fair Use Guideline

Mr. Droopy Drawers writes with news that the famous "Dancing Baby" case will move forward to trial, after a pre-trial ruling Monday that's already unpopular with the copyright holders on one side of the case. The New York Times reports that a three-judge panel has "ruled that copyright holders must consider fair use before asking services like YouTube to remove videos that include material they control. ... [The guideline] "sends a strong message that copyright law does not authorize thoughtless censorship of lawful speech," Corynne McSherry, the legal director for Electronic Frontier Foundation, said in a statement." Mr. Droopy Drawers adds, "Of course, the RIAA is none too happy about the ruling saying, that it puts undue burden on copyright holders. However, the judge countered, 'Even paying "lip service" to the consideration of fair use is not enough, and could expose a copyright holder to liability.'"

(Also covered in an AP story carried by the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.)

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  1. A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by Grog6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an Election year, no less.

    How much money will the Congress Critters reap off this case?

    Many Tons, I'm sure.

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    1. Re:A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're reading that backwards.

      The companies are the ones who need to be checking to see if the content is actually infringing, or is fair use. The problem is in their eyes there is no such thing.

      The court isn't saying parents taking a video of their dancing baby need to do some research to ensure they're not infringing.

      They're saying a 29 second video of a dancing baby with 20 seconds of bad quality audio of a Prince song it's infringing.

      Do you really think they're going to lose sales as people just decide to listen to the bad quality audio to avoid having to buy it? The problem is that the copyright clowns have more or less decided that there is no fair use, and that unless you licensed it in advance you can't use it.

      And, I'm sorry, but that's idiotic on behalf of the copyright clowns.

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    2. Re:A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is the DMCA's shoot first ask questions later incentives. When a DMCA takedown request is received you HAVE to take down the content. There's no counter process that allows 'due process' to happen while the issue is sorted out. Youtube took down Justin Bieber's ENTIRE CHANNEL over a bogus request, linky.

      If a prank can result in a world-wide multi-million dollar star's content being removed without someone questioning the validity of it. The system is fundamentally flawed.

      Or how about this. Jay Leno sees a video on Youtube and shows it on the Tonight Show. After the show airs, that video is pulled from Youtube. Why? Becuase, amazingly enough, it matched the 'signature' of what was played on the Tonight Show and NBC *automatically* had it pulled. linky

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    3. Re:A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And when it's you, Joe Schmo, against Univeral Music and the statutory infringement fines of $150 THOUSAND DOLLARS per instance linky you'd be insane to leave it up to the decision of a judge.

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    4. Re:A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may stand. This is the danger of having an independent judiciary, they are not always bound by politics and an honest and fair person may be accidentally appointed as a judge. So if you find yourself one day creating your own nation from scratch, remember to keep a tight rein on the judges.

    5. Re:A sudden outbreak of Common Sense. by Peeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you WAY overestimate the amount of awareness and understanding that the general public has about these issues and occurrences surrounding copyright abuse. This forum and ones like it are SO highly skewed to the tech aware crowd that it is very easy for us to forget that the opinions and conversations going on here are a single blip in the static of background noise outside the "cone of attention" of the general public and what they SHOULD be getting outraged / concerned about.

      Until WAY more stories like this start cropping up and the 24 hour news cycle can find a common gripe that the general public can focus their anger at, this will continue to be a silent assassin of small and accidental content creators and artists. If you REALLY want to make a difference, don't assume that piracy and ill will towards the corporations are universal or even the result of all the underhanded IP and copyright bullying that goes on. Instead, encourage and facilitate the ability of the average Joe and Jane to "produce" instead of spending all their time "consuming" TV and news from the conglomerates that would like nothing more for us to all just shut up and pay them to occupy our attention.

  2. Bitch please, RIAA by Travelsonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, it's an undue burden to check to make sure the law is actually being broken? Are these fucking morons kidding, or has their ego + sense of undue entitlement really gotten as big as I think it has?

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  3. Good ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's about fscking time we started telling the copyright owners that there are non-infringing uses which are considered fair use and aren't robbing you of revenue. People aren't setting out to do something which is depriving you of income, they're taking cute videos of their damned babies and putting them on YouTube.

    Nothing at all about a video like this cuts into their revenue or adversely impacts them ... it's just assholes deciding there is no such thing as fair use. And the labels whining that it puts undue burden on copyright holders

    is exactly the fucking point ... as opposed to them placing an undue burden on the entire world to not ever let anything happen unless they've pre-cleared it to copyright holders.

    A brief snippet of a baby dancing to a Prince song (with low quality audio and everything) is pretty much the definition of fair use. It sure as hell isn't going to harm Prince in terms of record sales.

    The copyright lobby seems to have decided the world operates solely at their sufferance. It's about time they got reminded it doesn't work like that.

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    1. Re:Good ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I disagree, and I think that is moronic.

      I don't want every fucking thing I see to have even more damned analytics and ads embedded in it ... click here to buy this hat, click here to buy this chair.

      How about all the assholes who want to monetize every damned thing we do fuck off, stop acting like they are entitled to inject themselves into every moment of our lives, piss off and realize fair use is a legal right, and generally stop fucking up society.

      I swear to god I feel like Reg the Fucking Blank with the blipverts which killed people.

      In the physical world I'd be forced to punch people who acted like this. Why the hell we should have to put up with this shit online is baffling to me.

      The world doesn't want every fucking stupid product shot to lead to an add, a link to buy, or some asshole add tracking company injecting themselves at every moment.

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  4. Sudden attack of common sense ? by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sucks for the recording companies that the case got heard in S.F. Liberal city surrounded by tech companies, no wonder the Judges there weren't as eager as their texas counterparts to suckle thoughtlessly on the genitalia of any incorporated entity with an IP claim.

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  5. Re:Seriously? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, well, it's also in the DMCA that companies are making a sworn statement but nobody has every been charged with perjury.

    Because when they bought the laws they gave themselves all sorts of exemptions so they could do anything without penalty and just say "oops", while using it as a weapon against everybody else.

    And then they got the federal government to be their enforcement arm.

    Absolutely NOTHING about the DMCA has EVER held corporations accountable. They can pretty much make any old bullshit up and say "ow, wow, a drunken intern did that, we though it was real" .. even if it's fairly obvious they're lying.

    They have never recognized fair use.

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  6. This wiill make zero difference by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    So they ruled that rights holders are supposed to consider fair use before making takedown requests....

    There are numerous problems with this notion.

    First, there is no particular benefit to the rights holders to do so, nor did I note any penalty for a rights holder that does not. They say that right holders "should" do something, but so what?

    Secondly, there's every chance that larger rights holders will still be able to strong arm the average person with bogus claims because the latter aren't as likely to have the money to even try and fight them anyways, so how much consideration fair use was given before making the takedown request will never even be analyzed.

    Third, they can say they "considered it" and then progress forward anyways. There is no mechanisms to ensure that the rights holder gives the matter any genuine and sincere consideration before invoking litigation, particularly if they think they will win simply because they have more money to throw at the case, as I mentioned above. The notion that they may expose themselves to liability is probably not going to worry them if the smaller fish is unlikely to have the resources to actively pursue such litigation anyways.

    It's a neat idea.... but without teeth, it's worthless.

  7. Re:This is madness by bledri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I miss the old America where people use to create content instead of just ripping it off wholesale and presenting it as their own.

    That universe never existed, much less that America. Everything is a remix. That is how progress happens. And not just in entertainment, but in engineering, science and every other aspect of human life. Mixing old things in new ways and a new insight is the creative process.

    Imagine a world where the Blues cord progression was covered by IP laws. Rent-seeking greed is hamstringing human creativity. It's a real shame.

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