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Obama Invites Texas Teen To White House After "Bomb" Clock Incident At School

The Grim Reefer writes: In a followup to this morning's story about the arrest of 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed for bringing a homemade clock to school that was mistaken for a bomb, President Obama has invited the teen to the White House via Twitter. The President tweeted: "Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House? We should inspire more kids like you to like science. It's what makes America great." The Irving Independent School District in Irving, Texas sent an email to parents about the incident asking students to: "immediately report any suspicious items and / or suspicious behavior."

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  1. That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by slart42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, if there is any good chance to smuggle a bomb into the white house, this is it.

    1. Re:That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by ArcadeNut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would a kid of any other background been arrested?

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    2. Re:That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Especially if the kid nibbles a Pop Tart into the shape of a pistol.

      Then, it's," Katey, Bar the Door!"

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    3. Re:That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by Tailhook · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. Ordinary whitebread suburbanite kids with chemistry sets have been hassled by the authorities in this country, and Slashdot has indulged outrage about it too, as recently as last June. Put away your little group-think grievance detector.

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    4. Re:That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That kid has become the "hot coffee lawsuit" of students.

      The "hot coffee" eh? You mean the lawsuit everybody uses for an example of mockery towards the legal process, while themselves being substantially unaware of the actual physical injuries suffered by Stella Liebeck, that she offered to settle for far less than the jury awarded, and that evidence was brought for that McDonalds knew their coffee was served at an excessively hot temperature which they required their franchisees to use, and that hundreds of other people had also been burned by their coffee.

      Is that really the example you want to use?

    5. Re:That's not a bomb, it's a clock! by microTodd · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's exactly the one he's talking about. Last June.

      http://yro.slashdot.org/story/...

      It wasn't that hard to find, dude. Probably took less time that it did for you to write your reply (which somehow got modded up).

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  2. Gofundme by bangular · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where's the gofundme? After being punished so badly for doing everything right, I think the wealthier geeks in the world could have 4 years of college paid for in a few days.

    1. Re:Gofundme by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I dislike the term "taxpayer" - it implies that there are people who don't pay tax. But everyone who buys anything, let alone earns money, ends up contributing toward government coffers. Even if you've always been completely reliant "on welfare" - a very unusual scenario, relative to the whole population - you're acting as a conduit for money into private hands. The latter will generate wealth by investing that money (hopefully), and that means more tax is paid.

      So, it's the people that will pay - all of them.

      Now, the government is elected by the people - really, it is! there might be a lot of lobbying going on, but ultimately it's democracy that determines whether corruptible people are elected or not.

      The government is responsible for the police force and the school system.

      Working backward, the police/school answers to the government answers to the people.

      So, who is ultimately responsible for this? The people.

      The party responsible is going to end up paying for the damage done.

      Cynic as I am, I won't deny when something is working right. And if you go all, "I know a better system of government than a democratic republic!" good luck enforcing it - because the two options are will-of-the-people and force. Even the Objectivist arch-capitalist and the purest of Marxist communists agree that each final system develops out of the consent of thinking people - they just have different ideas on what the choice of people acting in their interests ends up being.

  3. America by bangular · · Score: 4, Funny

    So let me get this straight, this kid is being arrested and Trump is leading the polls?

  4. Re:Like a grownup by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They would not let him call his father when the police questioned him. This is a direct violation of his and his parents rights. It's illegal to question a minor without their guardian present. I really hope everyone is telling their kids out there to refuse to answer questions in such a situation without their parents present.

    The police department and school district are going to be paying his family some serious money once the lawsuits are filed. I dare say he won the lottery with this highly illegal and stupid treatment.

  5. If I had a child now by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I would home school him or her.

    Not because I don't want them to learn about evolution

    Not because I think Jeebuz thinks the road to hell is paved with Global warming or that that allow gay kids in school.

    It would be because School administrators are stupid reactionary fuckwads who can't tell the difference between a circuit board and an IED, because little children get arrested for sexual assault for kissing another child, because now that police are patrolling the schools, causing little kids getting arrested for resisting arrest and assault felonies and a million other stupid things.

    You cannot build intelligent adults from the hopelessly stupid school teachers and administrators who apparently orgasm when they destroy a child's future.

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    1. Re:If I had a child now by Princeofcups · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would home school him or her.

      Not because I don't want them to learn about evolution

      Not because I think Jeebuz thinks the road to hell is paved with Global warming or that that allow gay kids in school.

      It would be because School administrators are stupid reactionary fuckwads who can't tell the difference between a circuit board and an IED, because little children get arrested for sexual assault for kissing another child, because now that police are patrolling the schools, causing little kids getting arrested for resisting arrest and assault felonies and a million other stupid things.

      The solution is homeschooling? I thought it was work with your community to improve your schools so that EVERYONE benefits. We've become a society of not only "me first," but "only I matter."

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  6. Re:Like a grownup by SecurityGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will obviously be a trigger story for people in the tech community that feel sensitive to this issue

    Sure. I'm "sensitive to this issue" because I saw the same sort of stupid abuse of authority, albeit in a minor way. Abuse of authority should get pushback. People make mistakes, and that's fine, but the people who screwed this up should have been told to knock it off before the kid was disciplined.

    I just wish they handled this privately with the parents without dragging the liason officer into the mix, the local police, etc.

    It should have ended almost immediately. Teacher suspects a bomb, someone competent determines it's a clock, everyone goes about their business, parents get a courtesy call to let them know what happened.

  7. You stay classy, Irving ISD by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As the last linked article points out, rather than being contrite about the unwarranted treatment of Akmed Mohamed, the Irving Independent School District is doubling down. In addition to reporting "suspicious" activity (mentioned in TFS) the letter from Principal Daniel Cummings to parents included this gem:

    I recommend using this opportunity to talk with your child about the Student Code of Conduct and specifically not bringing items to school that are prohibited.

    Nice posturing. So, was the item he brought to school actually prohibited? Or is this just innuendo?

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  8. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    George W. Bush has been out of office for nearly seven years. Time to let go of the hate and move on.

  9. Electronics used to be taught in high-schools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet every kid who ever took an electronics class in high-school made a digital clock. Why is it that nobody including teachers immediately thought OMG Terrorists!! back then? Because we became a nation of pussies. Scared of everything except the thing we should fear the most..

  10. Re:Like a grownup by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I just wish they handled this privately with the parents

    You're talking as if he still did something wrong.

    He made a "my first EE project" - something he should have been praised for. But instead even the teacher he initially showed it to (a geek like the rest of us) basically said "hide it."

    The problem with this is that none of the adults involved in this stupidity outside of the parents and Obama, acted like adults.

    And he's right in declaring that he won't bring his own projects to school anymore. They don't deserve to see creativity out of this kid. Because they're douchebags, every last one of them at that school district.

    He should GTFO of that school and get home schooled. Better yet, the whole family should get out of Texas and move to Cambridge MA. And the school district should pay for it.

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  11. Re:Like a grownup by LVSlushdat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its just sad that that payout is gonna come from the taxpayer, NOT the idiots who perpetrated this. Theres a large number of people involved with this that should be behind bars, and have their pay garnished for the rest of their life to pay this kid for this...

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  12. Yes, especially in Boston. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. Have we already forgotten the Boston lightbright scare?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Boston_bomb_scare

    1. Re:Yes, especially in Boston. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tell me about it... one time I put a MyLittlePony doll in.... well.. nevermind, but I had to stand still for a while.

    2. Re:Yes, especially in Boston. by BradMajors · · Score: 4, Informative

      If a terrorist wants to cause wide spread terror he just needs to distribute tiny robots throughout a city. It would shut down the whole city down. Using bombs would be far less effective.

    3. Re:Yes, especially in Boston. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At this point, you could probably cause widespread terror with post-it notes with the word "bomb" written on them. For under $10, a terrorist wannabe could cause major panic.

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    4. Re:Yes, especially in Boston. by Aighearach · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When my dad was a hippie in the sixties and lived briefly in Milwaukee they had the same "red line" for "long-hairs" as for blacks. He literally walked half a block into the wrong neighborhood, and was stopped by the police and told which side of town he was allowed in.

      The difference is, as a long-hair he was driven back to "his side of town." If he was black, he'd have probably spent a night in jail to "explain the situation." That was before they realized they could just shoot blacks, of course.

      Back then, I'm also not sure being "brown" would have even been different than "black."

  13. Good Move by r-diddly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, literally, good move Obama. Doesn't make up for all the other embarrassments & injustices, and there are many. But at least there's a line... at least being arrested for dumb shit, just this once, gets you a presidential apology. "I made a clock." "We think it's a bomb. Is it a bomb?" "No." "We think you wanted us to think it was a bomb." "But it's patently not a bomb." "Don't bother telling us it's not a bomb... that's exactly what you want us to think!" "I do want you to think that!" "Well then why did you build this bomb-looking bomb then?"

    1. Re:Good Move by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a good move, but I know an even better one. How about "inviting" (summoning) the teacher, the principle, the police officers and their chief of police to the White House, to ask them what the fuck they were thinking. The president giving these idiots an earful semi-publicly (not in public but it'll make the news) might give other panic-mongers and closet dictators some pause. It'll be worth it even in the extremely unlikely event that the backlash from a presidential chewing-out allows a terrorist to slip through. Fear, suspicion, surveillance and oppression aren't going to stop them anyway.

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  14. "Immediately report suspicious behavior" by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Irving Independent School District in Irving, Texas sent an email to parents about the incident asking students to: "immediately report any suspicious items and / or suspicious behavior."

    "Hello, Office? I'd like to report that the principle is acting more moronic than normal....I think he's a replicant."

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  15. Re:Like a grownup by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You seem to be insinuating that there was anything even slightly wrong with what Ahmed did (by claiming that he "needs guidance" or that it needed to be "handled," even privately). Let me assure you that there is not. Ahmed is totally and completely innocent of even the appearance of wrongdoing, and having the school officials apply any sort of "handling" or "guidance" (let alone the "threats" and "punishment" that actually happened!) would be wrong on their part.

    This is not a situation where a student should be admonished "hey, that's too much like a bomb; don't do it again." This is a situation where a student should be praised that "hey, that's a cool project; keep up the good work!" What we have here is a model student who did everything right, but whose reward for that excellence was to be punished for it by bigoted, paranoid imbeciles. He should not have been arrested. He should not even have been "handled" or "guided!" He should have been celebrated!

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  16. Re:Like a grownup by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its just sad that that payout is gonna come from the taxpayer, NOT the idiots who perpetrated this.

    Good. Because the part of the school that sets policy is the fucking school committee, elected by the public.

    Elect morons to the school committee which does important things like set the budget and hire administration and you get stupid policies like this.

    Stupid should hurt.

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  17. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't handcuff and perp walk kids for a 'misunderstanding'. Everything up to that point was fine (except for the little bit of forgetting to move people out of harm's way should this have been an actual weapon).

    The subsequent arrest and persecution of the kid is flat out paranoid insanity.

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  18. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The war is being waged with cell phone cameras and is going very well.

    The police have resorted to putting cameras on themselves to defend. Not realizing that was the desired outcome. Morons that they are.

    They are not primarily being killed, they are being denied their right to kill with impunity.

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  19. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by dywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    there is no war on police.

    merely a growing movement that wants them held accountable for when they fuck up (particularly if someone gets hurt/killed as a result), and a growing suspicion that they have been covering up past fuckups by writing false reports, as several have been caught doing in recent news.

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  20. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by SecurityGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    t's time for everybody here to grow up and see this for what it was and is, a simple misunderstanding because a kid was doing dangerous looking things.. He needs to take his toy home and grow up a bit...

    Absolutely not.

    He wasn't doing anything dangerous looking. People overreacted. Fine, I can forgive that. Go ahead and determine that the kid didn't have a bomb, apologize for the misunderstanding, and make an end of it. That didn't happen. The kid was interrogated, arrested, fingerprinted, suspended for 3 days, and might be charged with an actual crime, and he did nothing wrong.

    It's time to grow up and accept that punishing people who didn't do anything wrong is never acceptable.

  21. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fact, it wasn't a dangerous-looking thing. If it was, the teacher would not have confiscated it, put it in a desk drawer, and continued teaching the class. If it had actually scared the blank out of the teacher, the teacher would have left it where it was, gotten the school evacuated, and had the bomb squad handle it.

    People like the teachers and police officers need to learn what appropriate behavior is. The behavior was inappropriate no matter what they thought.

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  22. Re:No push for teacher education? by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In which case you must be appalled at the teacher's actions, which were to confiscate the device, put it in a desk drawer, and continue teaching the class. If it could have been a bomb, the teacher was endangering the life of everyone in the classroom.

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  23. Re:Like a grownup by bmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Obama did the right thing, IMO. The people who did this need to be embarrassed, personally.

    Inviting the kid to the White House immediately shows how fucked up the school district is.

    Were I president, I would have done it even if I had to pay out of pocket.

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  24. Re:No push for teacher education? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This kid built, knowingly or not, an actual triggering device out of an alarm clock.

    No he didn't.

    He built a clock. A clock is not the same as a bomb trigger. If you keep on insisting it is, then literally every watch and phone the kids are wearing/carrying is a potential bomb trigger.

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  25. Re:I wonder if they're going to use this as "proof by dywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Whats the count of killed officers so far this year?
    21?
    Something like that?
    Meanwhile the number of citizens killed by police so far this year is more than 500.

    Again: there is no war on police.
    And if there is, it is a pittance compared to the War being waged by police upon the citizenry.
    (and no i dont actually believe that 'that' war exists either)

    read, and become educated. you could surely use it.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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  26. Terrorists everywhere by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There were lots of terrorists involved in this incident. The terrified child vowed never to bring another invention to school.

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  27. Re:No push for teacher education? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But admit that this device, while not an explosive, was EXACTLY the same as a bomb trigger.

    This device was not the same as a bomb trigger. One obvious difference is that a bomb trigger is attached to a bomb. If it's not attached to a bomb, then it's not a bomb trigger. Just like the fact that the cell phone in your pocket is not a bomb trigger until you decide to attach it to a bomb. Once you attach your cell phone to a bomb, then instead of being a cell phone it's a bomb trigger. A clock is not a bomb trigger, it's a clock.

    This kid built, knowingly or not, an actual triggering device out of an alarm clock.

    A "triggering device" is also not a bomb trigger. Note the distinct lack of a bomb to trigger.

    We cannot loose sight of what this device COULD have been used for

    Your car can be used to intentionally strike and kill a person. Should you be allowed to drive it? What about the knives in your kitchen? Do you perhaps own any guns? I hope you don't use acid to help maintain a pool, and god help you if you fertilize your lawn.

    This wasn't just an innocent shop class project the kid says he intended it to be

    Actually, yeah, it was. Would you be fine if he 3D-printed some fancy plastic case so that you couldn't see the wires, would that calm your heart rate and make your palms stop sweating? Because that's the only real difference between what he built and what sits on your nightstand.

    until the authorities could firmly establish what his intent was their actions where justified.

    They could have firmly established his intentions by talking to his electrical engineering teacher and hearing that the kid showed the clock to the teacher. It would have been pretty obvious what his intentions were: to build a clock and show his EE teacher. They weren't interested in that though, they had a narrative that they wanted to reinforce and only had the evidence that he possessed something that had wires in it, his skin is brown, and he's Muslim. So instead of looking for actual evidence and intent, they just decided to arrest him. It's the lazy way to go, which is something that cops are pretty good at.

    That some stupid teacher shoved the thing into a desk drawer, not withstanding.

    Seriously. Obviously a clock goes on the desk, not in it.

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  28. Re:Damage was already done by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

    Being bright is his real crime. The police probably suspected something was wrong with him when they learned he didn't play football or beat up kids smaller than he was.