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Forget Hashtag Activism: a Millennial's Guide To Nuclear Weapons Realism

Lasrick writes: Matthew Costlow is frustrated with his generation's tendency of "hashtag activism" and would like Millennials instead to get real on the issue of nuclear weapons. He writes: "Allow me to suggest a radical new mindset for my generation as it confronts the issues of nuclear disarmament, Russian and Chinese aggression, and nuclear proliferation: extreme humility. Instead of 'boldly' proclaiming the need to raise awareness, let's utilize our generation's greatest asset—access to data—and truly understand the issues before trying to solve anything. Instead of proposing 'fresh ideas' for their own sake, let's recognize that we are not the first generation to deal with these issues and probably will not be the last. Instead of studiously avoiding specifics or hard choices, let's face a messy reality and not simplify an increasingly complex world to bumper-sticker activism."

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  1. Great Idea! by lazarith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great Idea! +1 Like

  2. #nomorehashtags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    #nomorehashtags

  3. Progressivism by rockmuelle · · Score: 4, Funny

    Data driven politics has a name. No need to reinvent it. Unfortunately, it's always struggled to get a strong following.

    -Chris

    1. Re:Progressivism by jensend · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's total bullcrap, motivated only by your partisan arrogance. The attitudes of the left towards e.g. food production and the entire field of economics are just as totally anti-science and devoid of consideration for facts as the attitudes of the right towards e.g. global warming. There is no party or movement that can claim the high ground here and there is not a single single member of congress who can be said to be on the side of data driven politics.

      And your assumption "my party is always right and we just need to work to get it a stronger following" is exactly the bullcrap herd activist mentality he's talking about here.

      Even using the term "progressivism" to some extent involves the same kind of problematic hasty and violent arrogance. As Chesterton said,

      Every one of the popular modern phrases and ideals is a dodge in order to shirk the problem of what is good. We are fond of talking about "liberty"; that, as we talk of it, is a dodge to avoid discussing what is good. We are fond of talking about "progress"; that is a dodge to avoid discussing what is good. We are fond of talking about "education"; that is a dodge to avoid discussing what is good. The modern man says, "Let us leave all these arbitrary standards and embrace liberty." This is, logically rendered, "Let us not decide what is good, but let it be considered good not to decide it." He says, "Away with your old moral formulae; I am for progress." This, logically stated, means, "Let us not settle what is good; but let us settle whether we are getting more of it." He says, "Neither in religion nor morality, my friend, lie the hopes of the race, but in education." This, clearly expressed, means, "We cannot decide what is good, but let us give it to our children."

      The case of the general talk of "progress" is, indeed, an extreme one. As enunciated today, "progress" is simply a comparative of which we have not settled the superlative. We meet every ideal of religion, patriotism, beauty, or brute pleasure with the alternative ideal of progress--that is to say, we meet every proposal of getting something that we know about, with an alternative proposal of getting a great deal more of nobody knows what. Progress, properly understood, has, indeed, a most dignified and legitimate meaning. But as used in opposition to precise moral ideals, it is ludicrous. So far from it being the truth that the ideal of progress is to be set against that of ethical or religious finality, the reverse is the truth. Nobody has any business to use the word "progress" unless he has a definite creed and a cast-iron code of morals. Nobody can be progressive without being doctrinal; I might almost say that nobody can be progressive without being infallible --at any rate, without believing in some infallibility. For progress by its very name indicates a direction; and the moment we are in the least doubtful about the direction, we become in the same degree doubtful about the progress. Never perhaps since the beginning of the world has there been an age that had less right to use the word "progress" than we.

      Reaching solutions requires

      • a sincere realization of our own ignorance and the sincerity and rationality of our opponents
      • the willingness to engage in real and reasonable discourse with those we disagree with, working to find goals we can pursue with enough common cause that our pursuit will not require tyrannical coercion
      • consistent attention to the data and the best science in choosing means of pursuing those goals

      (Science does not prescribe goals, but describes possible courses of action and their likely consequences; many problems, from failed social programs to environmental disasters, could have been avoided had people listened to scientists from economists to ecologists about the unintended consequences of policies.)

      Unfortunately, I doubt any party in any Western nation is presently capable of any of these three things.

  4. mmm... by SpankiMonki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As near as I can tell, hashtag activism occurs in cyberspace. REAL activism occurs in meatspace. My advice to millennial "activists"? Step away from the internet and do something real.

    (don't do it on my lawn)

    1. Re:mmm... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have you ever been to OWS and such? Meatspace is very much about hashtag activism these days, unfortunately.

      It always has been. Slogans have always been part of political activism. They've found the same political graffiti in several places in pre-Christian Europe.

      Just because it's given a new name, "hashtag" doesn't mean it's something new. I'll bet there were plenty of dilettante colonials who were saying "Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death" when there were no British within earshot.

      It's not a new thing. Some people are Martin Luther King or Ghandi who will go to jail or starve themselves for a cause, and some people are Sarah Palin, who stands fast on the issues until she chips a nail or her gravy train gets stalled.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
  5. Summary and Article: Poor Trolling by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An article and summary using buzzwords and hashtag activism to suggest people should stop using buzzwords and hashtag activism about nuclear issues - just to make the OP feel like they did something more than using buzzwords and hashtag activism.

    P.S. Hashtag activism.

  6. Every new generation thinks it's special by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Guess what, those old people milling about in Congress and running around Iowa trying to become President, when they were young they didn't trust anyone over 30. They were the generation of Rock N Roll and psychedelic drugs. They were so special that they were going to change the world forever and usher in a new utopian age.

    Now they're just old fogeys and the world still has war and poverty and nuclear weapons.

  7. I think there is a fundamental problem with this.. by morethanapapercert · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There is a basic, underlying, flaw in this proposal. It's the same flaw in human nature that makes all activism and even the democratic process less effective than it is in theory.

    Studying the history, reading and evaluating the various pundits, activists, experts and talking heads output is hard. Sure; any one of normal intelligence and education should be able (and willing) to do this, but it is human nature to take the easy way out if possible. How many people, even in political organizations, really pay attention to what the other guy is saying, attempt to understand what is being said and why?

    It is the real world equivalent of reading all the foot notes and reading all the citations mentioned in the bibliography. It's tedious and time consuming, even people whose job it is to actually do all of that due diligence stuff tend to skimp and cut corners if they can. Only Russell's teapot knows how many student essays and theses, how many scientific papers, how many campaign and floor speeches reference totally bogus or inapplicable bullshit, counting on the audience to not bother following up on them. I am convinced however, that it is a large number.

    This is just human nature, and I've come to simply accept it for what it is. So; rather than ranting on about how people should be doing X or Y, I try to ask myself Why don't> people do X or Y, How can I make X or Y the more desirable/rewarding choice than what the people are already doing?

    Why don't more people do this? Obviously because doing that is also hard compared to just ranting about what people should be doing. Frankly; I consider myself a smart person, but I haven't been clever enough to figure out a way to make active, diligent participation in the democratic process more desirable/rewarding than just sitting at home complaining about the politicians.

    --
    I need a wheelchair van for my son. Help me get the word out. https://www.gofundme.com/wheelchair-van-for-jj
  8. Re:that's some serious hubris! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank you for offering a great example of what Costlow says is wrong with Millennials. Outrage, minimal analysis, bumper sticker solutions. The only thing keeping it from being a perfect example is the use of actual hashtags.

    Bravo!

  9. Hopefully after I am in the ground by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really what kind of idiot wants to dismantle a system that has kept the world peaceful for 70 years.

    1. Re:Hopefully after I am in the ground by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      MAD may or may not be causative of our relative peace. Even if it were causative, it also doesn't mean that alternative peace-keeping mechanisms aren't possible, nor even preferable. To think otherwise is a logical fallacy (see Is-Ought Problem on Wikipedia).

      Mad and the rise of democracies are the only things in the history that have actually worked. That's it, the only thing that actually did the job.

      The league of nations didn't do the job. The large colonial empires didn't do the job. Interlocking alliances gave us WWI and WW2. You mention the 19th and 20th century ? I laugh, the entire millennium was painted red with blood.

      The Bomb is the weapon that made war unthinkable. So you can advocate for whatever pie in the sky, maybe it works maybe it doesn't method of peacekeeping you like, I just want the beta test to happen when it no longer matters to me. Why ? Because I have no doubt there are people out there that will piss on whatever system you propose and gladly wreck half the world if they can be the uncontested rulers of whatever is left.

  10. Re:that's some serious hubris! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    * How would unilateral nuclear reductions enhance our security?
    It would ensure that these dangerous weapons are not used on humans.

    So, if WE get rid of our nukes, that'll ensure that North Korea never uses a nuke? Interesting theory. Got any evidence it'll work?

    --

    "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
  11. Re:that's some serious hubris! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What specific actions would free humanity from the threat of nuclear catastrophe?
    1) nuclear disarmament is a start.

    That's like saying, in response to a question on how to solve world hunger, that "coming up with a magical device that just produces free food for everyone is a start". I mean, yes, it technically is, but you haven't made anything clearer.

    2) advancing our nuclear technology to use thorium would eat up nuclear waste and not produce plutonium.

    That's one valid point. Of course, it doesn't really solve the problem that states want to produce plutonium, because they want to have nukes. Until you address that part, the rest is immaterial.

    nuclear disarmament has been going on for a LONG time!

    Yes, except that it, for the most part, hasn't been unilateral (in cases where some countries did unilaterally dispose of their nuclear programs and/or arsenals, there was always an implicit assumption that they have a bigger ally who'll step in for them for MAD purposes).

    Furthermore, that process, despite going for a long time, has not really resulted in disarmament. There has been a significant reduction of stocks compared to the height of Cold War, but it basically went down to the level that's necessary for MAD and then stopped. If you want full disarmament, past experience is not necessarily helpful. And it's not even a given that the present configuration is stable, in light of the recent developments in world politics...

    it will take time and money to fully develop and the public has been conditioned to be terrified of nuclear anything.

    How much time? How much money? Where do we get those resources from? How do we recondition the public?

    politics

    Politics is one of the major factors in the development of human society - indeed, any coherent plan you might have for making things better is by definition also "politics". The question you should be asking is, how to rally people [who make decisions] behind your politics. If they aren't there already, it's either because they don't know about it (in which case, how can you make them be aware?), or because they perceive it to be conflicting with some of their other interests (in which case, how can you make it not conflict, or convince them that this is more important?), or because they don't think the plan will work (in which case, is it perhaps because there are some objective flaws in the plan, and how to address them?).

    * How would unilateral nuclear reductions enhance our security?
    It would ensure that these dangerous weapons are not used on humans.

    Yes. A unilateral nuclear disarmament (especially complete) would indeed ensure that these dangerous weapons won't be used on humans. It will be some other dangerous weapons, of a country that did not disarm, that will be sued.

    So... can we do those

    Who is "we"?

  12. I wish Hollywood would get their nukes right by nichogenius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The following irony scares the crap out of me:

    Hollywood has exaggerated every explosion or fireball effect that they have ever tried to use in an action film to the point it no longer resembles reality. The opposite is true with every nuclear weapon that Hollywood has ever tried to use in a film.

    My limited knowledge of movies confessed, I can only think of two movies that are even close: Godzilla 1998 has a fantastic opening sequence of nuclear tests, however their accuracy is only there because the footage is of real American nuclear tests. The other movie, where the effects were surprisingly well captured, was (don't laugh) Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, though the realistic effects of the blast were completely undone in my mind when Indy's lead lined refrigerator was thrown several miles to safety when it should have been crushed like a tin can by the compression force of the shockwave. Don't get me started on the 4MT bomb that was detonated a full minute (by hovercraft velocity mind you) off of Gotham's coast in the latest batman. The heat damage from that would have melted glass and given 3rd degree burns to anyone exposing bare skin only seconds before the shockwave would have leveled most skyscrapers. Instead, Hollywood gave us a mushroom cloud clipart in the distance that could at best rival Hiroshima (keep in mind a yield difference factor of 200).

    This lack of appreciation for the true power of nuclear weapons is a huge problem with any real effort in nuclear disarmament or non-proliferation. I'm not sure if this is a problem of public ignorance, or if the scale shear scale of the destructive power of thermonuclear weapons is beyond the grasp of most humans. I would guess a combination of both. My recommendation to anyone who wants to get a true feel for their power is to watch the documentary titled 'Trinity and Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie'.

    I would actually like to see a live action movie where effort is made into the accuracy of the effects of nuclear weapons. Why do people fear the radiation released by nuclear blasts far more than the damn blast itself? If you are caught in a nuclear blast, there's at least 5 likely causes of death that I can think of that would kill you long before the effects of any radioactive fallout are even noticed.

    rant over

  13. Re:Aggression My Ass by _merlin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity, sucker!

    If you know a better way of making more virgins, I'd like to hear it.