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AVG Proudly Announces It Will Sell Your Browsing History To Online Advertisers

An anonymous reader writes: AVG, the Czech antivirus company, has announced a new privacy policy in which it boldly and openly admits it will collect user details and sell them to online advertisers for the purpose of continuing to fund its freemium-based products. This new privacy policy is slated to come into effect starting October 15. The policy says: We collect non-personal data to make money from our free offerings so we can keep them free, including: Advertising ID associated with your device; Browsing and search history, including meta data; Internet service provider or mobile network you use to connect to our products, and Information regarding other applications you may have on your device and how they are used.

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  1. Epic Fail? by ToxicBanjo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Haven't used any of their products but it sounds to me that in this age of data breaches and privacy dwindling that people are not going to take kindly to this move. I think they'll see a huge drop-off in the use of their services.

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    1. Re:Epic Fail? by ToxicBanjo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did Target and Home Depot lose lots of customers? Yeah, didn't think so.

      Completely different situation. AVG is saying they will include your browser history and searches, so on. For your analogy to be comparable it would have to be Target and Home Depot following people around who leave the store to see where else they shop, what they buy, and what they look for in catalogues/flyers. And then sell that to 3rd parties.

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    2. Re:Epic Fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm willing to bet a big chunk of AVGs users consists of parents/family of people who installed it for them way back when they were one of the go-to solutions and those people don't know or care that they even have options.

    3. Re:Epic Fail? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Doubtful. Most of their customers aren't likely even going to be aware of the change in the first place.

    4. Re:Epic Fail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Problem will be the computer guys, who will make sure to tell all their customers that data is being sold.

    5. Re:Epic Fail? by mjm1231 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People will forgive your mistakes. What you do intentionally is another matter.

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    6. Re:Epic Fail? by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      For your analogy to be comparable it would have to be Target and Home Depot following people around who leave the store to see where else they shop, what they buy, and what they look for in catalogues/flyers. And then sell that to 3rd parties.

      Or just getting their customers to sign up for "a loyalty card", which supermarkets seem to be very successful at.

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    7. Re:Epic Fail? by garbut · · Score: 2

      A breach is very different from a policy.

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  2. Best alternative? by sproketboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's the best alternative right now for windows?

    1. Re: Best alternative? by snowsnoot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about not even using one. Most of them suck anyway, they don't catch the clever malware and they hog resources and slow down your PC. Just be smart on the web, rely on the Windows built-in tools and you don't need one I find.

    2. Re: Best alternative? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dare say that's like saying "I don't need no safety belt, I know how to drive a car".

      Yes. Problem is, you're not the only one driving. Neither are you the only one making connections in your machine. And I'm not even talking about some kids you may or may not have which seem to be a magnet for all kinds of malware.

      There are far too many programs on your computer that open up connections that can be (and are) abused as attack vectors. You open a PDF (a benign one, not one sent by "lawyer" telling you about that unpaid ebay bill) and your PDF-reader starts making connections. You open up a game selling platform and it opens up a browser that connects to its maker or the maker of the game you plan to buy (or just look at). And we're not even touching browsers, online ads and them being one of the key contemporary attack vectors.

      And no, Windows tools don't cut it. Why? Because EVERY malware HAS to circumvent them Because they are installed on EVERY Windows machine. No way around it. Malware has to be tested against them (and yes, it is) and has to be undetectable by everything every user has by default installed. Because, well, why bother launching a virus that is detected BY DEFAULT?

      And no, malware doesn't need admin privileges anymore to cause damage. Just ask anyone who has been subjected to cryptolocker and its various variants. The current batch of banking trojans also doesn't need any elevated privileges to cause troubles. All it takes is a certificate and some creative rerouting of your traffic...

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    3. Re:Best alternative? by andymadigan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Windows Defender. No, seriously. I haven't seen any issues over 2 years, even with multiple non-technical users. It works, stays out of the way, doesn't slow the machine down, doesn't demand money or personal information.

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  3. Re:"you are the product" is for Cows by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are all products. Products get SOLD! SOLD! products SOLD! YOU PRODUCTS!!!

    Mooo!

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  4. My reaction by satch89450 · · Score: 2
    sudo vi /etc/hosts
    i
    127.0.0.1 avg.com
    :wq

    Problem solved. Can't sell what you don't have.

    1. Re:My reaction by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Getting updates for the AV suite might be a wee bit complicated now, though...

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    2. Re:My reaction by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      You think he's worried about updates to AVG when his OS requires the use of commands such as "sudo" and the program "vi"?

  5. Reminds me of JetBrains and Mozilla! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of what has happened with JetBrains, a Czech company who makes popular programming tools.

    They recently announced some significant licensing changes that involved a subscription model. As any sane person would expect, the customers absolutely hated this decision. The uproar was significant, with an extreme level of dissent. Paying customers, many of them who had been customers for years and years, explained that they will move away from JetBrains' products immediately.

    Given the extreme degree of public outrage regarding these completely unwanted licensing changes, JetBrains said they'd listen to the customer feedback.

    In the end, JetBrains backpeddled somewhat and adjusted the licensing options. However, many customers are still unhappy, and severe damage has already been done. Lots of long time JetBrains customers are now suffering from the dreaded FUD: fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Because of this, many are still considering moving to alternate tools.

    All it takes is one single change like this, doing something that the customers do not want, and everything goes to hell. Previously loved companies can become distrusted outcasts.

    Mozilla could be considered an extreme case of this. Once considered among the most respected and beloved organizations, years of unwanted changes to Firefox have driven away many of Firefox's users (Firefox's market share across all platforms is likely in the single digits now). Users just don't like being treated poorly, especially if there are alternatives! Firefox's users got fed up with the constant and awful UI changes, so they moved to Chrome. Now Mozilla is facing irrelevancy, as they end up with fewer and fewer people using their software. It's a real shame, but that's what happens when you shit all over your users and customers!

  6. They made the disclosure by onepoint · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least they made the disclosure, which is a step in the correct direction for a consumer to make a choice.
    while I might not like it, it's correct.

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    1. Re:They made the disclosure by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      Exactly.

      You know what they are going to do, there is no confusion, you can simply choose not to use their product or pay in a different way for a version that doesn't sell your info.

      You can make an informed choice, which makes it fair, and imo, acceptable to do so.

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    2. Re:They made the disclosure by Desler · · Score: 2

      Except their policy states:

      Unless the specific product states otherwise, all AVG products and services are included under this Privacy Policy.

      So there's no reason to believe that their pay products aren't doing the same thing. The only choice is to stop using all their products.

    3. Re:They made the disclosure by janoc · · Score: 2

      They have been at this for a while. AVG was autoinstalling extensions into all Windows browsers that automatically redirect your browsing through an AVG proxy (supposedly to keep you safe from viruses, ehm) for a long time. So this was only a matter of time.

      BTW, AVG is not really a Czech company anymore. They have moved to the US and in the Czech republic is only their R&D centre now (Czech programmers cost 1/10th of what an US one would).

    4. Re:They made the disclosure by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least they made the disclosure,

      Did they actually make the disclosure, or was it buried somewhere in a 50-page legalese boilerplate document that exists precisely to hide anything important?

      Because there's lying, lying by omission, and lying by drowning someone in so much irrelevant detail important things go unnoticed. All are forms of intentional deception, and none should be excused.

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  7. See the positive side by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    At least you get something in return, you get an antivirus product free of charge.

    With some competitors, you pay for the privilege to have your privacy sold off.

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  8. AVG is dreadful by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

    In my experience AVG is dreadful and only somewhat effective.

    I used it for years when it was good, and then it started to want to do updates that never "took"...so it would try to do the update again, and again, and again. Sometimes it would start but not run or it would error out. Then it started displaying nag screens with ads for the "Pro" version.

    I dumped it and moved to Comodo which seems less needy and doesn't pester me with ads.

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  9. Ask and you shall receive. by Deathlizard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So. More ask Toolbar disguised as AVG Secure search...

  10. Similar to by tompaulco · · Score: 2

    This is similar to a company selling both radar detectors to the public and radar systems to the police.
    I stopped using AVG in favor of Avast probably 5 or 6 years ago, maybe longer now, I can't remember. The thing with AV is that you have to keep changing companies every 4 or 5 years because the awesome one goes from being free and relatively resource unintensive to being not free, a resource hog, and sometimes, as in the case of AVG, even sells your information to the people who are the source of most of the viruses.

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  11. The cycle of a product by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    It's interesting watching so many software products (and OSes, etc) go through the same cycle. A new player comes on the scene and innovates or simply does things better than the competitors, they become popular and get a decent install base, they stagnate and / or bloat, their usefulness and effectiveness drops, and then often times they turn Evil as a last ditch effort is made to monetize what is left of their users.

    I really liked AVG at one time. For me it was the free go-to antivirus product, and it really did a better job removing the malware of the day when it was at its peak (oh, around 8-10 years ago).

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  12. Alternatives to AVG by BringMyShuttle · · Score: 5, Informative

    A timely PC MAG review rating many free anti-virus programs: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/...

    Don't let the door hit your bum on the way out, AVG

    1. Re:Alternatives to AVG by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Norton?? Dear God, no. If you're willing to step up to the plate and pay for something decent, ESET is pretty good.

  13. Sad. by astro · · Score: 2

    It's sad. There was a time, not SO many years ago, where I strongly recommended AVG to people as the lightest, least intrusive Antivirus solution for Windows. The decline makes me frown.

  14. kudos by shentino · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Kudos to AVG for being honest enough to admit it in advance and gives its potentially paranoid customers a chance to opt out.

    I wish more companies did this. It's a little slimy, but it's a lot LESS slimy when they don't try to hide it.

    No, I'm not being sarcastic.

  15. HTTPS scanning by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ./ has neglected an even bigger elephant in the room: most modern AV products insert their own HTTPS certificate into the OS you're running for your "safety" and "protection".

    In short they scan the traffic which wasn't meant to be scanned by third parties, thus AV vendors circumvent the vary basis of encryption.

    Welcome to a brave new world. Then your PC hasn't really belonged to you since 2008 or something but no one cares anyway: http://libreboot.org/faq/#inte...

    I wonder if there's anything left to buy nowadays which is yours truly and which doesn't spy on you or have a dozen of backdoors for NSA/CIA/M5/etc.

  16. Did they announce the hack ahead of time? by raymorris · · Score: 3

    If the perpetrators announced that they planned to hack Target and sell your credit card information, would you have shopped there, knowing what would happen? I wouldn't. Maybe you are that stupid, but I don't think most people are.

    Ceasing to shop at Target AFTER the hack had already occurred would be closing the barn door after the horses has bolted. You'd only be hoping to indirectly influence management of other companies to hopefully increase the budget for security, which might reduce the risks of some breach somewhere. Switching from Target to Walmart after the news only increases your own risk, because Target's systems were swarmed with security experts from the FBI and private security companies - they got READ security conscious real quick.

    Here AVG is announcing ahead of time, "if you use our product we WILL release your information." You can choose now to not have your information released by not using their product.

  17. AVG Filtering Negative Press? by threc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well would you look at that: http://i.imgur.com/YsNjWCc.png

    Thanks for protecting me AVG. /sarcasm

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    1. Re:AVG Filtering Negative Press? by nadaou · · Score: 2

      My guess is that it found the hosts file localhost blackholing in this post:

      http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

      No conspiracy theories needed.

      p.s. why haven't you uninstalled AVG yet? Will it detect itself as malware now?

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  18. AVG Internet Security blocked this article by pefisher · · Score: 2

    So I went into the AVG control center, turned link scanner off, reloaded the page, and now it's letting me read it.