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Hardware Projects (and Pranks) That Have Scared Observers

In the wake of the arrest of Ahmed Mohamed in Irving, Texas, for carrying to school an electronics project believed by a teacher to look like a bomb, Make Magazine has a timely reminder that Ahmed's project is one of many home-brew efforts that sparked (or could have sparked) extreme reactions. Make's list includes a few from tinkerers -- and pranksters -- that not only looked like bombs, but were fully intended to look that way. ("Back in 1967, Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak was arrested for building a metronome and storing it in a friend’s locker. He rigged a tin-foil contract sensor to the metronome in the locker, and set up the device to tick faster when his buddy opened the locker.") The article doesn't note the 2007 incident in Boston in which a guerilla advertising campaign for "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" raised fears of a terrorism and led to two arrests. Gawker has a slightly more pointed article about other students who have specifically brought home-assembled clocks to school, without being arrested.

193 comments

  1. Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but nobody invited that kid to the whitehouse. Ahmed's race has gotten media outrage on his side, but what happened to him was not remotely unique. Everything from pointing at someone and going "pow" to chewing poptarts into the wrong shape has gotten kids anything from arrested to expelled. The only commonality is it seems to be universally boys treated this way, likely due to society's compulsive need to pathologize everything about them and ascribe nefarious motivations to their every action.

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    1. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ahmed was trying to do something constructive, in the STEM area. the usa is trying to focus on STEM education. and here's a kid who goes out of his way to do something on his own initiative in the area, and he gets treated like a criminal because of his race/ religion. that's why it is so egregious

      the other overreactions by school for stupid things happens too, and are fucking stupid and the school admins should be punished. but they don't merit an invite to the white house because they are a different topic

      like this:

      http://kfor.com/2014/08/21/stu...

      the kid wrote a short story about shooting a neighbor's pet dinosaur *as requested by his teacher*. and he gets treated like a criminal and suspended for a week

      that's obviously fucking stupid. the school admins should be punished, the kid should be apologized to

      but there's no anti-muslim hysteria angle, and there's no STEM angle. so it doesn't pique people's interests above the local area

      the usa is trying to encourage STEM education. and the usa has a problem with anti-muslim bigots. therefore ahmed's case rises to national attention

      ahmed's case is simply not the same as the other cases you mention

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    3. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really? I initially thought the kid had a kit clock or something more innovative. When you find out he took the guts out of a commercial clock and put it in a box and to boot he is 14? I was tearing things apart at half his age. Tying this to stem is interesting even with reports that the stem issue is pretty bogus. Take the things he did to an airport and also claim you invented it -- they should rightly give you a heck of a hard time. Then look at his father. The whole thing wreaks of a publicity stunt for a 3rd Sudan election....

    4. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to be non-white or muslim to get treated this way in the USSA.

      Science is for terrorists! Us plain folks only needs our Common Sence.

      And we buy our clocks at Wal-Mart.

    5. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2

      Your own link disproves your claim of racism. Boys all over the country of all races are treated exactly the same by schools. What happened to Ahmed has nothing more to do with his race than poptart kid's race had to do with his situation.

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    6. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      you think the kid bought a clock to school intent on getting arrested to give his father media exposure?

      you are a moron. not an empty insult. objectively, to think that line of reasoning makes any kind of sense means you're genuinely a stupid person

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    7. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by taiwanjohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Speaking of guns... when I was a HS sophomore (1978-79) we needed a "gunshot" sound effect for the school play. Finding it too difficult to synchronize a tape recording with the action on stage (not to mention, it just sounded like a recording, which was distracting), one of the sound crew guys brought a .410 shotgun from home, along with some wadding-load shells (ie: blanks). That way, he could stand in the hallway, looking in through the backstage door, and deliver the sound right on cue.

      This was all done with the school's full knowledge and approval. And Andy kept the gun and shells in his locker for the last few days of rehearsals and performances. Alas, those were different times.

      Funny thing though, on the night of dress rehearsal, he was paying such close attention to the onstage action that he didn't really notice where he was aiming. He ended up shooting the face off the clock on the opposite side of the wall. We still razz him about that to this day. ;-)

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    8. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Insightful

      a white christian was treated badly

      therefore, racism and anti-muslim hysteria do not exist

      do you listen to yourself or is the grey matter in your skull really that thin?

      this is real:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      i suppose the next step is to claim it's all a set up. the alex jones "false flag! false flag!" crowd will come to defend good old american bigotry being framed and misconstrued by the mass media

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    9. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Informative
      You evidently can't understand what you read.

      "5 More Maker Projects That Freaked People Out" ... "Ahmed Mohamed is not the first Maker with a project that upset people who didn’t understand it. Technology projects can look scary to the uninitiated. Several big names in this field have had to deal with the reactions engendered by their projects." ... "Here are five more Makers who built gizmos that others found upsetting." - empahasis added

      Show us the word school in the Title or lead paragraph.

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    10. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by poity · · Score: 2

      Racism in general can exist in the same reality where Ahmed Mohamed was not a victim of racism but of silly zero tolerance policies. Anti-Muslim sentiment can exist in the same reality where Ahmed Mohamed pulled a stunt that pranked even the President.

      You're right that individual cases don't by themselves disprove aggregate phenomena, but aggregate phenomena also doesn't mean all individual cases can be explained in the same way.

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    11. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Thing+1 · · Score: 0

      And you treat people with disrespect. I consider that worse.

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    12. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A brown muslim was treated badly in the exact same way as an enormous number of other non-brown non-muslim people in the exact same situation.

      Therefore, racism and anti-muslim hysteria is to blame.

      Do you listen to yourself?

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    13. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      oh i'm sorry, you have inside knowledge that ahmed wasn't a victim of anti-muslim bigotry and racism, got it

      to assume a brown muslim kid with an electronic doodad getting arrested for a bomb hoax when he said it wasn't a bomb: this wasn't at all motivated by hysteria or fear based on race/ religion. obviously, of course

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    14. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 0

      0/10 troll. Study more and try again. This entire mess is about a kid that gutted a clock and put it in a pencil box to take to school.

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    15. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      correction: i treat stupid people with tons of disrespect. is there a better approach to dealing with morons?

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    16. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You don't have to be non-white or muslim to get treated this way in the USSA.

      Science is for terrorists!

      While it's true that overreactions happen to whites too, but there sure seems the odds of a smidgen of leeway, some minute benefit of doubt, is significantly less if the person involved is non-white.

      Us plain folks only needs our Common Sence.

      As displayed by the English teacher, principal, and cops in this case? Cough...

      And we buy our clocks at Wal-Mart.

      And would never, ever, dream of taking them apart, as the good little consumers we are.

      My sarcasm meter is tingling on your post, but it can't really be trusted, due to recent overexposure to idiotism, so can't determine which way it is - sorry about that.

    17. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      your position is all these cases are exactly the same

      well sure, if you're purposefully a know nothing "it's all the same, the details don't matter" kind of social retard then indeed everything is ok and everything makes sense. but in which case why are you even arguing? enjoy your world where it's all the same and nothing matters. leave the arguments to those of us who can actually look to motivation and intent and are interested in the details

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    18. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      why don't get back to your herp derp alex jones low iq douchebaggery. you've strayed from your remedial propaganda bubble, social retard

      paranoid schizonphrenia is not an actual replacement for intelligence

      "FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG... whargarrbl drool SNORT"

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    19. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1, Interesting

      ah yes, another responsible gun owner, never having any accidents

      statistically speaking, owning a gun increases the danger to you and your loved ones, a notion your anecdote supports

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    20. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Your position is that all these cases are the same until it happens to the Designated Victim, then suddenly it's proof america is drowning in islamophobia and racism. You're not "looking to motivation and intent", you're fabricating it to fit your prejudices.

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    21. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by DaHat · · Score: 1

      statistically speaking, owning a gun increases the danger to you and your loved ones, a notion your anecdote supports

      Cherry picked & misrepresented statistics do say that yes.

      If someone is desiring to kill themselves or others, having a gun around does sometime lead to an uptick in deaths due to guns... if they don't have a gun around it causes an uptick in knife, auto, blunt object and other deaths... which never seem to matter for some reason.

    22. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by poity · · Score: 1

      I can't prove a negative, and I won't presume the positive without some convincing evidence that rises above the mere fact that the kid is brown and Muslim. Being brown and Muslim doesn't make every bad thing that happens to you racially motivated.

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    23. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      correction: i treat stupid people with tons of disrespect. is there a better approach to dealing with morons?

      This is an example of how thin the 'veneer' of civilisation is. You are simply looking for reasons to disrespect people. Posting AC due to moder..., etc, etc.

    24. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      Off topic: We're talking about "zero tolerance" policies in schools and the overlap with racism. (And I have never owned a gun.)

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    25. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      oh i'm sorry, you have inside knowledge that ahmed wasn't a victim of anti-muslim bigotry and racism, got it

      to assume a brown muslim kid with an electronic doodad getting arrested for a bomb hoax when he said it wasn't a bomb: this wasn't at all motivated by hysteria or fear based on race/ religion. obviously, of course

      This is a really easy game to play, isn't it? Any time any minority is treated unfairly, we can claim it's because of bigotry and racism! Win! Nobody can prove the opposite, no evidence to the contrary is adequate.

      Let's keep this going as much as possible. We don't want people mixing in with people outside their own group, now do we?

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    26. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      The AC got every bit of respect after the fact that they demonstrated that they deserve.

    27. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should read about Beth Van Duyne. It is illuminating to read about her. You might also try reading what the Dallas Morning News (a libertarian/conservative leaning newspaper) has to say about her and the police dept staff. Again it is illuminating. You cann't judge a book by its cover, but you can judge the Irving Texas administration by the words and deeds of its administrator

    28. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's quite clear your parents raised you to value intelligence but forgot about that little thing called "manners".

      Even if you're right, you're still an ass. I'll side with the well mannered dolt over your brand of genius any day.

    29. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should read about Beth Van Duyne. It is illuminating to read about her. You might also try reading what the Dallas Morning News (a libertarian/conservative leaning newspaper) has to say about her and the police dept staff. Again it is illuminating. You cann't judge a book by its cover, but you can judge the Irving Texas administration by the words and deeds of its administrator

      Well, I did as you suggested. Other than looking into some rumors that a local Mosque may have implemented a Sharia Law court for local Muslims, her biggest claim to fame appears to be pissing off former administration officials and bureaucrats for trying to clear the corruptions and good-old-boy networks from running the city and wasting public money. So, again, nothing there but innuendo and race-card whining bullshit.

      I can't agree with her position supporting the school administration and local police, but that has nothing to do with racism - just the over-the-top fear mongering and typical "zero tolerance" overreaction by schools that has been getting increasingly worse over the years. There's plenty of evidence that they do this to ALL the kids, not just Muslims. But, as I mentioned, a preponderance of the evidence doesn't keep people from playing the race card. It's too easy.

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    30. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by sribe · · Score: 1

      Speaking of guns... when I was a HS sophomore (1978-79) we needed a "gunshot" sound effect for the school play.

      In the same approximate timeframe, we had the actual gun on stage, actually fired by one of the student actors ;-)

    31. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by ThreeDPrinting · · Score: 1

      Students are trying to make some electronics project believed by a teacher to look like a b...... As looking like that thing the ticker going on very fast according to when open the locker in metronome. Nowadays we have lots of better locker to secure your saving or car and home with specific key codes. http://www.locksmithsinscottsd...

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    32. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by locksmithsinscottsda · · Score: 1

      Woooo What a students these are really cool stuff. They have to be in NASA.

    33. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      there is no islamophobia in the usa?

      this is your honest position?

      where do you blind retards come from?

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    34. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      keeping an open mind doesn't mean so open your brains fall out. if you can't see some anti-muslim prejudice at work here, you are being intellectually dishonest

      the larger point being that it is so, so, so important to you for this not to be islamophobia. why is it so difficult for you to admit that islamophobia exists and is obviously at work here if you have half a fucking brain?

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    35. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      why is it so, so, so important to you for this case not to be islamophobia? why is it so difficult for you to admit that islamophobia exists and is obviously at work here if you have half a fucking brain?

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    36. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      circletimessquare said: "you think the kid bought a clock to school "

      Go back to school, circletimessquare. "bRought" and "bought" are not the same word. And you might try using the Shift key every once in awhile. Oh, unless you are channeling e.e.cummings.

    37. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      If someone is desiring to kill themselves or others, having a gun around does sometime lead to an uptick in deaths due to guns

      actually it does. guns make killing easy. therefore it happens more often

      if you have a bunch of hammers lying around a kindergarten class, kids tend to get hit with hammers. if there were no hammers, people would still be getting hit, but the injuries would be hell of a lot less severe

      just look at australia or the uk. they actually have higher violence rate than the usa, and lower homicide. i would love to have that in the usa! because a fucking bloody nose or a slashed arm is not a fucking body bag

      why does every fucking conflict have to escalate to death asshole? that's what guns do. the ease of access to a gun actually makes conflicts become deadly clashes. that matters. you can't do drive by knifing where 6 bystanders get killed or kill a six year old form across a basketball court with a stray throwing knife. ease of access to guns means senseless deaths that otherwise would not happen

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    38. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice vein throbbing screed... op notes that you're easily bated - that's a huge understatement. Are you sure that you don't have some meds that you should be taking?

    39. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? Why didn't you just borrow a starter pistol from the track team?

    40. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by ai4px · · Score: 1

      In the schools boy are treated as defective girls. Girls' behavior is the standard.

    41. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't see anyone deny that there is Islamaphobia in the US. They just stated they don't see it as 100% obviously applicable to this case.

      You seem to be the one that needs this case to be Islamaphobia. And resorting to calling everying "blind retards" doesn't much help your case.

    42. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      ahmed was trying to do something constructive, in the STEM area.

      Unfortunately, it sounds like the whole thing may have been a hoax in a misguided attempt to draw attention to Islamophobia - or at the very least a cry for attention.

      Apparently the kid didn't build anything, he just took apart a 1980's Radio Shack digital clock and put it inside a very strangely "suspicious" looking metal briefcase with padded interior.

      http://blogs.artvoice.com/tech...

      So at the least, the kid lied about "building a clock" and at the worst he DID intentionally make it look like a (very fake) bomb (very possibly with the prodding of his activist father, who was also strangely quick to be interviewed and post details on all possible public media).

      I hope (unlike the initial reaction) the media (liberal and conservative) takes a breath this time and tries to gather a few facts about what really happened. It has be pretty ticked off, though, as I initially came down strongly on the kid's side against the "totally unreasonable school" (which has apparently been saying all along they knew it was not a real bomb, but considered it an intentional fake), and now it sounds like many people may have been duped. I'm still hoping it was more toward the side of "kid lying about his talent" and not "father throwing kid under the bus for attention to his cause"...

    43. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      I never said that at all, what I said is Ahmed was treated the exact same as dozens to hundreds of other boys across the country. The only thing his race has gotten him is beneficial treatment like an invitation to the white house. What I will say is that islamophobia is a bullshit panic considering that there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world, over 30 officially muslim nations, and is so far from oppressed that the victims of shootings by islamic terrorists are blamed for provoking their own brutal murder.

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    44. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      There are at least two better approaches. First, say nothing. Second, say something kinder.

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    45. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Are you not aware of the Iranian diplomat's daughter who pretended to be someone else and pretended to have knowledge of babies being ripped out of incubators and left on the floor to die? Her words started a war in which people died. Children of diplomats have been used for evil purposes. The AC suggested this might be happening in this case, and you feel that is deserving of disrespect?

      We must have differing definitions of "respect".

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    46. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      why is it so, so, so important to you for this case not to be islamophobia? why is it so difficult for you to admit that islamophobia exists and is obviously at work here if you have half a fucking brain?

      Because it ignores the real issues of our failing public school system and militarized, reactionary police. Making it all about islamophobia (which, yes, of course exists) just plays into the MSM narratives which create conflict for the masses, selling out the people for the benefit of the elites.

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    47. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      except that it is actually islamophobia you fucking social retard. the only agenda here seems to be your ignorant need to play that down. why is it so important to you to avoid the fucking obvious?

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    48. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 1

      except that it is actually islamophobia

      Prove it.

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    49. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the examples in the linked Gawker article, "7 Kids Not Named Mohamed Who Brought Homemade Clocks to School And Didn't Get Arrested," was a potato clock.
      He didn't get in trouble for being named Mohamed, he got in trouble because, for whatever reason, his project looked like a bomb straight out of a Mission Impossible movie.
      Nobody would think a potato clock looks like a bomb.
      Don't blame racism, blame zero tolerance policies.

    50. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      you're not being intellectually honest and therefore resisting a mischaracterization

      you're being purposefully intellectually dishonest and avoiding the fucking obvious

      it's very very important to you that bigotry not exist and is not a problem. when it obviously fucking is

      this desperate double time mental effort of yours to look away from a simple aspect of your reality says something about your character. nothing good

      you're a know nothing

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    51. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      it is so, so, so important to you for this not to be islamophobia.

      Pot, kettle. You really seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Just looking for anything negative that happens to any minority doesn't make it a "phobia". Come back and complain when you have actual evidence of such, and I'll be more than happy to be sympathetic.

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    52. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      AC provided no basis for finding the suggestion plausible. Not even a rational chain of thought on how this action could lead to a desirable goal, let alone any actual evidence. There's not argument there, just a nutty conspiracy theory.

    53. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might not be able to do a driveby knifing, but you surely can use household chemicals to create a bomb.

    54. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That blogger claims that the clock was not an invention, and was not practical. The kid may well be using "invention" loosely. It's clearly tinkering, and the kid did show it to his engineering teacher. The blogger asks why it's in that pencil case, as if tinkerers always selected their materials for reasons clearly understood by bloggers.

      Then the blogger speculates that the kid may have actually intended to make a hoax bomb, claiming that it looks like a movie bomb. The blogger overlooks the point that the kid voluntarily showed the clock only to his engineering teacher, and appears to be pulling this idea out of his ass. It would be nice to have a shred of evidence for that.

      The blogger then loses it completely. Suppose that the kid had deliberately made a hoax bomb, and was potentially unstable and a possible danger due to mental health issues. If so, it would make sense to quietly talk to the kid and evaluate him.

      Under no circumstances I can imagine does it make sense to suspend the kid, have him perp-walked out of school in handcuffs, questioned for hours without a parent available (apparently illegally), or forced to write a confession. If the kid is innocent, it's clearly wrong. (The kid claims innocence, of course. The blogger disputes this based on some potentially inaccurate word choices and speculation about the case.) If the kid is disturbed and a potential danger, as the blogger speculates for no particular reason, an emotionally traumatic time is not likely to make the kid less disturbed. If the kid is a potential danger because he doesn't feel he fits in, well, he feels less like he fits in now.

      Given this lack of evidence, and the stupidity of the school and police under any circumstances, the blogger then concludes that it wasn't discrimination and the school and police were right to do that. It would appear that the blogger started with a conclusion in mind, wrote the standard propaganda lie about not believing that at first, and proceeded with tenuous evidence and reasoning to his desired conclusion. (That's my conclusion, and it's based on at least as much evidence as the blogger used.)

      If you're going to cite a blog in support of a point, please find one that at least makes sense and supports its conclusions.

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    55. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Really? I initially thought the kid had a kit clock or something more innovative. When you find out he took the guts out of a commercial clock and put it in a box and to boot he is 14? I was tearing things apart at half his age. Tying this to stem is interesting even with reports that the stem issue is pretty bogus. Take the things he did to an airport and also claim you invented it -- they should rightly give you a heck of a hard time. Then look at his father. The whole thing wreaks of a publicity stunt for a 3rd Sudan election....

      Uh, all the brighter kids have already learned not to rock the boat at school, don't bring in any projects to show the teachers, don't stand out in any way, just hunker down and let the Great Leveler chop off the heads of the kids who stick theirs up.

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    56. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      "you think the kid bought a clock to school intent on getting arrested to give his father media exposure"

      Yes, absolutely. And you took the bait. The father is a well known media whore.

      which you know, from reading less well known media whores.
      but I'll bite. give us the list of things the father has done which cause you to brand him as a media whore, what media picked up his whorish doings before he hit the news in this context, or any other thing that might resemble a scrap of evidence for your preordained conclusion you cribbed from Pam Geller.

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    57. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      correction: i treat stupid people with tons of disrespect. is there a better approach to dealing with morons?
      There are at least two better approaches. First, say nothing. Second, say something kinder.

      You are correct with respect to those who have sadly had moronitude thrust upon them by an unkind fate. Those who, however, choose moronitude coupled with aggression for the sheer unbridled joy of being an asshole deserve no such tolerance.

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    58. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Given this lack of evidence

      That's the problem. There is no actual EVIDENCE either way, just sound bytes from those involved.

      I sincerely hope there was no duplicity involved and the kid and his father were being completely honest - but I am going to withhold judgement for now either way.

      I definitely don't agree with everything the blog post said (for example. it's a fact that the mayor of Irving, Texas, is a known Islamophobe, which would almost definitely trickle down to public officials and police) but if you actually read exactly what the blogger stated as fact and as possibility he wasn't nearly as biased as you claim he was.

      Anyway, all that said - it's clear to me at least (feel free to disagree, but I have tutored 14 year olds who actually build really COOL things) that this student is no Westinghouse Award candidate, and that he and his dad are in fact milking this whole thing. Maybe he deserves a break if he was really profiled that blatantly. But removing the case from a Rat Shack clock does not a MIT student (which he specifically called out as a goal in his statement) make...

    59. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I find the blogger's belief that the reaction might be justified bizarre, since I can't imagine any circumstances on which what the staff and police did would be useful. I do realize that taking an old clock apart and putting it into a pencil case doesn't require genius, or MIT-level competence, so I'm not all that impressed by it. If he wants to go to MIT, good, but that clock isn't really part of getting him there.

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    60. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by kenh · · Score: 1

      objectively, to think that line of reasoning makes any kind of sense means you're genuinely a stupid person

      It's called a publicity stunt, and it wouldn't be the first one to blow-up in someone's face.

      It may not have been the motivation here, but it is certainly within the realm of possibilities, given the well-documented history of the boy's family.

      Did you notice how fast they set up an online account to collect money for his college education? It proves nothing, but it gives some people to question his motive.

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      Ken
    61. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Does every textual input to you provide all the bases for finding all suggestions plausible?

      Of course not.

      It's up to you to determine how you treat people. And that is orthogonal to the information that they present.

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    62. Re: Poptarts have gotten the same response by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how to interpret this, but here goes: I see no evidence that the AC was being aggressive or moronic, so I'm fairly certain that you are in agreement with me, that circletimessquare is overly rude and demeaning to others, when it loftily decides that others require rude and demeaning treatment.

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    63. Re:Poptarts have gotten the same response by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      I agree that it seemed like the police, etc just took the obvious bait and/or overreacted idiotically - as you said it wasn't useful and served no purpose but to inflame. Though I disagree that the blogger said it was "justified" - he basically said the reaction was "understandable" given the current overblown paranoia in schools these days. It's possible to understand the reasoning behind an overreaction, but disagree with it. Just look at the many reasonable people duped by Bush, etc. over the Iraq War...

      But overreaction doesn't mean there still isn't a chance it was an intentional fake. Richard Dawkins had a fairly objective comment (that was nonetheless shouted down by many who didn't want to hear alternative "theories", ironically) when hearing that it was just a Radio Shack clock: "If this is true, what was his motive? Whether or not he wanted the police to arrest him, they shouldn’t have done so." And that's the key - can the kid explain why he claimed the clock was his "invention"? Was he just taking credit for something he didn't do, or did he know that it looked suspicious? (some comments he has made indicate he may have).

      http://www.theguardian.com/sci...

  2. Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's a guy who reverse engineered the clock he built.
    http://blogs.artvoice.com/tech...

    1. Re:Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The story that he was arrested for bringing a repackaged clock into school, because clocks in custom packaging are like movie bombs to the idiot Hollywood generation?

      Or that he lacked the hindsight to design a clock from discrete components in anticipation of global media attention, all to avoid strawmen such as that provided by the idiot article writer?

      FWIW I'm a casual electronics geek and I'm shit at building neat boxes. This has always frustrated me, and while it was immediately obvious from the photos that he had just re-used the innards from an old clock, I admired that this young kid was thinking more about the usability and elegance of the finished product than I seem able to. But now have I learnt that my shortcoming is a virtue: any small box containing electronics that doesn't look like an iPad or an iPhone should be regarded as probably the work of a bomber or hoaxer.

    2. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by kenh · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What was Ahmed's 'accomplishment'?

      If Ahmed had taken the clock apart, organized the parts on a tri-fold poster board and could explain what each part did, that would be an accomplishment worthy of showing off - but that's not what he did, he claimed he 'invented' the clock.

      If he bought a clock kit off eBay, soldered it together and it worked that would be an accomplishment worthy of showing off - but that's not what he did, he took a working clock and wound up with a working clock!

      The only skill evidenced by Ahmed's 'invention' was his application of that engineering reminder - "Righty Tighty, Lefty Loosey" and earned himself a visit to MIT and the White House.

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    3. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      His accomplishment was repackaging a clock using a box of his own design. To me, this is more creative than simply soldering a kit off eBay. It's also an accidental flavour of what made Jobs great: he identified someone else's decent electronics and repackaged it in a way that caught the attention of the world!

      Since clocks were invented thousands of years ago, and digital clocks decades ago, it is up to you to not deliberately misinterpret the word "invent" just to start a pathetic Internet argument with a 14 year old boy who can't even answer back. He "invented" it in the simple sense that he designed and built a style of clock packaging that did not exist before. Similarly, the original creator of the innards did not "invent" the digital clock - merely lay out a familiar design. His invention was that design.

      Now, this previously non-celebrity non-English-professor child could have chosen words that were harder to deliberately misinterpret, to deal with people like yourself who would surely come out with the perfect choice of language. The availability of pictures demonstrates that he did not want to mislead, though, so who cares?

      You seem salty about the fact that he got (I wouldn't say "earned") a visit to the WH and MIT. You do realise that he wasn't invited because of his accomplishment, but as a message to encourage people to carry on tinkering even in the face of authoritarian dullards? Sometimes people enter the limelight, even if only for a few days, not because of what they did, but because of what was done to them. Unless you're an eternally bitter sort, there's no need for this to bother you so.

    4. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he did nothing that involved any skill. You are an idiot only worthy of derision and ridicule for believing otherwise.

      He did no rewiring, he simply moved the entire innards from one plastic box to another. If he had disassembled it and reassembled it, that would take a small amount of skill. However, he did no such thing.

    5. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by poity · · Score: 0

      I think we can atone for the indignity Ahmed suffered without believing the myth that he did anything remarkable for a 14 year old. I think we can apologize for the misidentification of what he brought to school without embracing the presumption that his teachers were racists or islamophobes.

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    6. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      very well said

      thank you

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    7. Re:Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by NixieBunny · · Score: 1

      When I was a freshman in high school, I built an LED digital clock based on an app note in the back of the RCA COS/MOS data book, 1973 edition. It took a lot of wire wrapping, but I made it work. I mounted it in a nice wood-grained box from Radio Shack. It ran on batteries. I brought it to school one day, and got my electronics teacher to give me extra credit for it, and enjoyed showing it to kids on my 8 mile long school bus rides.

      So I did about eighty times as much work as Ahmed did, and I STILL didn't invent anything.

      Give the kid a break. At least he was doing something remotely original.

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    8. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, it's not that he did something remarkable, but that he did something encouraging which was discouraged.

      I don't /know/ whether his teachers were racist/islamophobic. Just as this isn't about celebrating a 14 year old genius, it's not about condemning his teachers as racist/Islamophobic. It is however a great counterexample to those chicken littles who fear brown Muslims as bringers of death and destruction - some just want to learn and get on like everyone else.

      (In fact, almost 100%, if one counts number of terrorist brown Muslims uncovered on US soil vs number of non-terrorist brown Muslims on US soil. But sometimes people need their prejudices pricked more concretely.)

    9. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by kenh · · Score: 1

      His accomplishment was repackaging a clock using a box of his own design.

      No, he didn't - that would have been something to talk about, he stuffed the pieces into a store-bought pencil case... Which had to be opened to plug it into the wall for power and the display was only visible when the box was open.

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    10. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unless it was a pencil case which came with instructions for re-use as a clock box, this was his own design.

      Now, he was (as he says) in 10-20 minutes repackaging an old clock. Perhaps this was just the first stage of his transformation. Perhaps it was a bit of young artistic contemplation: a device you cannot operate without exposing its guts. The idea of having to flip something open to see the time is hardly offensive - see from pocketwatches to flip 'phones. You may argue that it's not a very good design, but I couldn't give a hoot. If all you can take from this episode is that experienced adult geeks can't see great technical achievement in what he did, your analysis of the scenario is way too narrow.

      In particular, on the global news stage, the accomplishment is certainly not "something to talk about" - there's the strawman again. The remarkable thing is that something utterly unremarkable can cause someone to temporarily lose their liberty.

    11. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since clocks were invented thousands of years ago, and digital clocks decades ago, it is up to you to not deliberately misinterpret the word "invent" just to start a pathetic Internet argument with a 14 year old boy who can't even answer back.

      "Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly 92 million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea." --HHGTG

    12. Re: Ahmed's story doesn't hold up under scrutiny. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      You do realise that he wasn't invited because of his accomplishment, but as a message to encourage people to carry on tinkering even in the face of authoritarian dullards?

      Exactly this. Let's say that Ahmed's story ended with his arrest and release. No White House invite or national social media attention. Let's also say that his clock project wasn't even that impressive. He had shown interest in taking things apart, seeing how they work, and putting them back together again. That's at least the first step towards actually building something himself.

      Post-arrest, however, he would be reluctant to do this again. Taking things apart and seeing how they work could be associated in his mind with getting in serious trouble so he might think it's better to just buy everything his needs pre-packaged and stop trying to figure out how things work. This wouldn't be a good outcome. Maybe he'll never be a great engineer. Maybe he'll never even be a mediocre one. However, he deserves the chance to test out the limits of his abilities without some school administrators and police freaking out because "wires equals Hollywood-style bomb so this must be dangerous."

      Moreover, once his story DID get massive attention, how many kids would have been discouraged from exploring simply because they knew Ahmed got in trouble? Better to end his story on a positive note (trip to the White House/NASA/etc) than on a negative note (hauled off to jail for building a "bomb"). The response to his story isn't a reaction to his skill but to his potential and to the negative reaction to someone who had been exploring on his own.

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  3. Clear evidence of over-reaction by laird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the guerrilla advertising campaign for "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" there were blinkies spread around 12 cities, 11 of which managed to figure out that LEDs are not explosives. Only Boston cops freaked out, locking the city down (despite being told by MIT that there were no explosives) and wasting $millions. Of course Boston cops aren't big on apologizing after their screw-ups; they tend to double down despite reality. The silver lining is that 11 other cities' cops were rational and did the right thing, which is cause for some optimism.

    1. Re:Clear evidence of over-reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is Boston repeated the scare later, closing down their airport briefly when an MIT student brought an electronics project to the airport.

      And again, after the Marathon bombings, they illegally shut down the entire city in order to catch the bombers that turned out to no longer be in the city. Oops!

      Basically, Boston police don't know what the fuck they're doing and people should stay the fuck away from Boston if they value their freedom.

    2. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by kenh · · Score: 0

      The problem is Boston repeated the scare later, closing down their airport briefly when an MIT student brought an electronics project to the airport.

      The girl in Boston didn't just 'bring an electronics project to the airport' - she had a breadboard on her shirt/sweater with blinking lights which, from a distance could cause someone to think she had a bomb vest on.

      Her claim of 'absent-mindedly' putting it on before going to the airport to pick up a friend (as I recall) was about as dubious as Ahmed's 'I invented this clock and wanted to show it off' claim.

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    3. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bomb vests have blinking lights?

      I always thought that they were manually detonated.

    4. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by RogerWilco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Her claim of 'absent-mindedly' putting it on before going to the airport to pick up a friend (as I recall) was about as dubious as Ahmed's 'I invented this clock and wanted to show it off' claim.

      You have never met real nerds. They do these things all the time, completely oblivious to the real world.
      It's the kind of people that if you ask them how to make a bomb, the answer is: "Let me show you right now".
      And I know from experience that they will have a working bomb, or at least an explosion within a few minutes, just from the stuff lying around.

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    5. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The girl in Boston didn't just 'bring an electronics project to the airport' - she had a breadboard on her shirt/sweater with blinking lights which, from a distance could cause someone to think she had a bomb vest on.

      Could you please provide an example of an explosive belt (or, as you put it, "bomb vest") with external blinking lights?

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    6. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by meglon · · Score: 1

      I understand., now... blinking lights scare stupid people.

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    7. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Could you please provide an example of an explosive belt (or, as you put it, "bomb vest") with external blinking lights?

      I am sure that there are lots of examples to be seen in movies and TV: fictional movies and TV. Real life, not so much

      But that's the reality of security and law enforcement in the USA today: they get their ideas about technology and our constitutional rights from Hollywood.

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    8. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      But that's the reality of security and law enforcement in the USA today: they get their ideas about technology and our constitutional rights from Hollywood.

      Well, I believe the standard in court is often "a reasonable person". Perhaps we should stop hiring unreasonable persons to work in law enforcement. It seems to have unfortunate side effects.

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    9. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      And blinking lights on a wireless router make people with a certain brand of stupidity sick.

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    10. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by kenh · · Score: 1

      Sorry, they all got 'blowed up.'

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    11. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by kenh · · Score: 1

      You have never met real nerds.

      Yes I have, I attended a prestigious east coast engineering school and worked for a time at a bell labs spin-off... Nerds do these things to either solve a problem or provoke a reaction from the 'straights'. Putting a breadboard on your shirt with blinking lights solves no problem I'm aware of, so in my experience it was most likely done to provoke a response. She arguably could have been going for whimsy, but if that was the case she missed the mark.

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    12. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by kenh · · Score: 1

      Bomb vests have blinking lights?
      I always thought that they were manually detonated.

      Except the ones that are remotely detonated, like, when strapped to a child that can't be trusted to 'do allah's bidding'.

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    13. Re:Clear evidence of over-reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't a problem in Boston either, until they attached one to a freeway support. The campaign was deliberately trying to solicit the response, and Boston just happened to be the city that took the bait.

      In fact.. because they were trying to provoke just such a response for publicity purpose, it could reasonably be argued that that campaign was, in fact, an act of terrorism.

    14. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by ai4px · · Score: 1

      Ironically, in 1997 I traveled with my APRS rig inside a 7.62mm ammo can. The kantronics kpc3 modem inside, a battery and a delorme yellow GPS mounted to the outside. The airport security was just happy to see the lights come on when I turned it on for them. No harm, no foul.... just a nerd going thru airport security. de AI4PX ex KD4RDB

    15. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      It's not limited to nerds, either, but force-of-habit. If the gal in question regularly put on those kind of augmented clothes, then it wouldn't occur to her to make sure to avoid things that would scare easily-terrified people.

      Anecdote: I recently flew (for the first time in four years). For my day-to-day I carry a pocket knife on me; three inches long, fairly dull, but handy to have. Knowing that I would absentmindedly grab it from where I dump my pocket stuff, I purposefully put it in my suitcase. But, then, I knew I was going through security theater, rather than just picking someone up (in such a case I likely would have had it on my person.)

    16. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When asked, she said "It's art." Nerds can be artistic. Making a wearable art project and not thinking about where she's wearing it sounds pretty nerdy to me.

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    17. Re:Clear evidence of over-reaction by laird · · Score: 1

      "It wasn't a problem in Boston either, until they attached one to a freeway support. "

      They stuck blinkies in all sorts of obscure, random places, including under an overpass. Same as in the other 11 cities. None of them contained explosives, or even 'fake' explosives. They had LEDs arranged like a cartoon character, and a small battery.

      Note that bombs (1) contain explosives, and (2) don't advertise themselves with blinking LEDs.

    18. Re: Clear evidence of over-reaction by laird · · Score: 1

      Of course, no matter how they're detonated they don't have blinking LEDs on a PCB on someone's chest. The whole point of a bomb vest is that it's NOT OBVIOUS, so the bomber can get into position without alerting security. So is someone wearing an obvious PCB with blinking lights, and no explosives, isn't a bomber.

  4. Re:It's A Different World Today by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Today's post 9/11 world is a dangerous one

    No, it's really not. In the US, you're more likely to die from toenail fungus than from terrorist attacks.

    It just serves the purposes of the plutocrats to have every scared.

    I'm ok with a few innocent people being inconvenienced for my safety and my family's safety.

    The best things you can do for your family's safety is check the wiring in your house and not own a gun.

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  5. So is this a project or a prank? by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Young Mr Mohammed seems to have
    a) not "built" anything, merely taken the case off a clock, and put it in a box....
    b)...which looked astonishingly suspicious with lots of bare wires all kludged in there...
    c) which was then closed with a cord (why? Why not just latch the case closed with its latches?)
    http://blogs.artvoice.com/tech...

    Personally, I don't see this as a binary issue where one has to pick one "side" or the other.
    I believe that:
    - Young Mr Mohammed was either deliberately trolling his school authorities, or he was used to do so.
    AND
    - the authorities overreacted as did the cops who absurdly put a non-threatening willowy boy in cuffs why again? ...and the media ate that narrative shit right up.

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    1. Re:So is this a project or a prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps its something much simpler. Face.

      People behaved like asses, making fools of themselves. They now need to rationalize this foolishness. By cognitive dissonance. In other cultures we call it "saving face".

      Nothing special, a normal human trait, so now they say "well it was a clock, but we were MISLED into thinking it was a bomb by the cunning of Mr Mohammed who pranked us by repeatedly telling us it was a clock!".

      Cognitive dissonance doesn't get anymore extreme than this.

      Normally what happens at this point, is normal sensible people who don't have to rationalize their bizarre unprofessional behavior, step in and put the nutters on leave from the school until they can accept the real world for what it is. They made a foolish mistake, but their failure to correct the simple mistake is a much bigger mistake. A far more serious mistake.

    2. Re:So is this a project or a prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. I suspected that it may have been intentional. I mean, it crossed my mind. I am not saying that is what he did as I don't know the truth.

      While calling the police may have been the right/safe decision, putting cuffs on him was an overreaction. I imagine that would have been traumatic if it weren't for the fact he got to meet the president (he did, right?).

    3. Re:So is this a project or a prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That could just as easily have been myself when I was his age. That would be a naive young kid wearing a NASA t-shirt who likes to take stuff apart and muck around with it.

      "Look what I invented mom!"

      Media/police get involved and everything is blown out of proportion for the young man.

      So, was Ahmed an inventor? No. He just repackaged a clock in about 20 minutes. That would make him a budding 'Maker' or 'hacker'. Ahmed probably wouldn't know the difference.

      Anyways, he's heading in the right direction, and I hope he has a bright future.

      On the other hand are the haters. And haters gonna hate. Maybe it's a conspiracy, may the kid's a *troll*, or is being used as a troll, get those Muslims out of America, he didn't invent anything, he's a fraud . . . and so on. Shameful!

    4. Re:So is this a project or a prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering is Father is an Imam who is a media whore, I am going with intentional.

    5. Re:So is this a project or a prank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going with intentional.

      I won't, until it's proven.

      There's stupid on all sides of this. As well as potential to prove malintent. That goes for the kid, the school, and the police.

  6. Actually... by kenh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The teachers believed Ahmed wanted the teachers to believe it was a bomb. The school called the police about a possible bomb hoax, not a possible bomb, as evidenced by the police response that did not include sending the bomb squad to the school and the school's decision not to evacuate.

    Can we talk about the really troubling thing about this story - that a 14 year-old high school student thinks removing the case from a store bought clock radio is a process of 'invention' as evidenced by his repeated claims he 'invented' this clock and that he was 'proud' of his project and wanted to show it off to his teachers?

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    1. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously - when this story first broke, I was on Ahmed's side, because - well, he was presented as a tinkerer, and who doesn't want to stand up for people who tinker?

      But it's become clear that he doesn't tinker. He didn't make anything. He took the pieces out of a clock and shoved them into a pencil case. I can break a clock and dump it into a pencil case. Anyone can. It reminds me of a story I read growing up about a 10 year old "building a computer." He didn't. He shoved parts into a case. I can do that. In fact, I did do that. I didn't get an article written about me.

      What people need to understand is that the police believed him when he said it was a clock. So did his teachers. What they never did find out is why he felt the need to pull the parts out of a clock and shove them into a pencil case and bring it to school.

      There's a war on law enforcement by the media these days, and this was being used as an example of "overreaching law enforcement" except that it turns out it WASN'T. Ahmed didn't build a clock. He built a PROP. And the police wanted to know what he was planning on doing with prop bomb at school, which Ahmed simply wouldn't answer. And that's why he was arrested.

    2. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's 14, he doesn't know derivatives or matrices or algebra yet.
      I 'invented' a very real 32KVolt(Peek to Peek) ~2000Hz shocker when I was 15. I was really proud of it then and still am because I was fucking 15.
      Posting as AC even though I'm not sure if it was an illegal waepon then considering its huge weight of 10 pounds and range of less than 1 inch.

    3. Re: Actually... by kenh · · Score: 1

      Ahmed didn't build a clock. He built a PROP. And the police wanted to know what he was planning on doing with prop bomb at school, which Ahmed simply wouldn't answer. And that's why he was arrested.

      +1

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    4. Re:Actually... by kheldan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Friend.. read the original news story: http://www.dallasnews.com/news...

      The kid never claimed to have 'invented' anything, or that he'd even built the clock from scratch, he came right out and said that he'd thrown it together in 20 minutes out of junk parts, to take to school with him, to show his teachers what he was capable of; but of course once the media (not to mention the public) got hold of the whole thing, the story started getting distorted very quickly. What we have here is a 14-year-old boy who did something as ill-advised and devoid of forethought for possible consequences as any other 14-year-old boy might have done; he never considered that some dumb adults at his school would freak out because they have no understanding of what they were actually looking at. I'll bet that if he had told his folks he was going to take that to school with him, and showed it to them, they might have told him it wasn't a great idea simply because something like this would happen.

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    5. Re: Actually... by kenh · · Score: 2, Informative

      Watch this interviewwith Chris Hayes from MSNBC - within the first minute he claims to have bought a bunch of parts and put them together himself.

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      Ken
    6. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not the original story. It's an after-the-facts recap. Ten seconds of basic reading after following the link can tell you that. Why are you being deceitful?

    7. Re:Actually... by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

      why does the fact you're not impressed by his tinkering more important than a kid getting railroaded by moronic police and school admins?

      your priorities are... stupid. sorry, but that's really the best word for what you think is the important issue here

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    8. Re: Actually... by kenh · · Score: 2

      He's 14 years old and he thinks what he did was 'inventing' something? In an interview with Chris Hayes on MSNBC he describes how he has been tinkering with things since he was 8 or 9 - his clock project is something I would expect an 8 or 9 year-old to do.

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    9. Re: Actually... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Watch this interviewwith Chris Hayes from MSNBC

      Do you have any sources that can be viewed without permitting every piece of shit spyware ad tracker fuckhead in the universe to run scripts on your computer?

      You know, if he bought defunct electronic devices, then he bought parts. And if he put them together himself, then he put them together himself. Are you sure you just aren't having problems with English? I'm not going to view your shit cite to find out.

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    10. Re: Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Kenh, and?

      I don't really get your point, no amount of this insinuation will turn it into a bomb, or a bomb hoax. He repeatedly told everyone it was a clock, there was no bomb thing there. Not just the lack of boom boom stuff, the lack of *fake* boom boom stuff, the lack of anything non-clocky!

      Even the police who arrested him, struggled. Saying that, well if it was found under a car perhaps someone might think it was a bomb. But it was *not* found under a car, he brought it in, he showed his teacher the clock he'd made, he said it was a clock.

      So you insinuate that this kid ran a bomb hoax, but he didn't.

      I sure hope he has a transparent lunch box, because if its a metal lunch box, the police will have him in jail because it "might be mistaken for a bomb if it was found under a car" and people like you would be saying "well who carries a metal lunch box in this day and age,... thats very suspicious don't you think... nudge nudge wink wink".

    11. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahmed's dad, Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed, leads a house of worship, has run for president (of Sudan).
      He publicly debated a pastor in Florida who burned a Koran.

      So he got attention.

    12. Re:Actually... by trout007 · · Score: 1

      When I was 15 (in 1990) I built one of those as well. Except it was an official project in my electronics class. Those were the days.

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    13. Re: Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on the fence. When I was 14, I could have rightly been called a tinkerer, taking old printers apart for motors and controllers to use on robots, building pneumatic potato launchers (which could have easily killed a person) and generally doing crazy and sometimes (well, often) dangerous stuff with random hardware.

      There exists the chance this kid just isn't adept, or indeed very smart at all, and swapping one case for another is the limit of his technical abilities-for now at least.

      Sadly, even these modest abilities are probably considered exceptional to the average person.

    14. Re:Actually... by poity · · Score: 2

      He doesn't seem to have been "railroaded" though. If this account of what happened is correct, he took it to school, showed it to a bunch of teachers, most of whom ignored it until in a later class period an English teacher asked him to put it away, at which time he refused, and was sent to the principal. When the principal didn't get an adequate answer as to why he brought it to school, the cops were called in based on the thinking that it was an attempt to scare the teachers with a hoax. He was handcuffed (which I too think was unnecessary, and for which he deserves an apology) for a time during the police questioning, where it was determined that no laws were broken and he was finally released after 2 hours.

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    15. Re:Actually... by poity · · Score: 1

      /. removed the time, I think, or maybe I didn't copy/paste right. Mark Cuban's second hand account starts at ~1:40 in that video

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    16. Re:Actually... by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

      is your point to say it's not a big deal to handcuff a kid, deny him his parents, and coerce him to sign a "confession", just for showing an interest in building things?

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    17. Re:Actually... by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a war on law enforcement by the media these days, and this was being used as an example of "overreaching law enforcement" except that it turns out it WASN'T. Ahmed didn't build a clock. He built a PROP. And the police wanted to know what he was planning on doing with prop bomb at school, which Ahmed simply wouldn't answer. And that's why he was arrested.

      So, a kid repackages a clock to look like .... a clock. The kid tells anyone who asks that it's a clock. The police believe it is a clock. The whole "prop bomb" idea was invented whole cloth by the police.

      What you are accusing the kid of is pure thought crime.

      What they never did find out is why he felt the need to pull the parts out of a clock and shove them into a pencil case and bring it to school.

      Who cares? It was a clock. He did not display the clock in any manner that would suggest that it was a bomb.

      Perhaps the police and school were being trolled. But like the truism "you can't con an honest man", it's clear that the actions of the police were not motivated by rational thought. Instead, they were most likely motivated by racism. Racism that this device demonstrated most effectively.

      What this kid built (perhaps deliberately, perhaps inadvertantly) was a racism detector. Perhaps you would advocate a law against "racism detectors"?

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    18. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, a kid repackages a clock to look like .... a clock. The kid tells anyone who asks that it's a clock. The police believe it is a clock. The whole "prop bomb" idea was invented whole cloth by the police.

      Your theory sounds interesting... until we account for weird white bag inside the suitcase and for a simple, yet important fact: the clock's display faces the inside of the suitcase, like a bomb. He then turned the clock on during class and (apparently) set it up to alarm a few minutes later.

    19. Re:Actually... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Except that story defeats your point.

      "Ahmed Mohamed â" who makes his own radios and repairs his own go-kart â" hoped to impress his teachers when he brought a homemade clock to MacArthur High on Monday"
      and
      "...He said he threw it together in about 20 minutes before bedtime on Sunday: a circuit board and power supply wired to a digital display, all strapped inside a case with a tiger hologram on the front...."

      There's almost nothing homemade about it; read my link: he took the COVER off a clock, and stuck the works in a suitcase. He didn't - even by the stretch of a 14 yr old's imagination - BUILD a clock. He didn't "throw anything together" unless you consider cracking the case as "throwing together".

      And further to your point:
      âoeShe was like, it looks like a bomb,â he said.
      âoeI told her, âIt doesnâ(TM)t look like a bomb to me.â(TM)â
      âoeThey were like, âSo you tried to make a bomb?â(TM)â Ahmed said.

      âoeI told them no, I was trying to make a clock.â
      âoeHe said, âIt looks like a movie bomb to me.â(TM)â ...certainly reads that the *original spin* on the story wasn't the subtle distinction you say it was. The reporter was telling a story of a boy whose project was MISTAKEN FOR A BOMB.

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    20. Re:Actually... by poity · · Score: 1

      The wrongfulness of his being handcuffed should not be reason for us to lionize him or create myths about him. We can condemn what we factually know (arrest, handcuffs) without jumping to conclusions about the rest (teachers were racist, he's a genius kid, etc)

      The evidence right now actually points to a prank meant get a rise out of teachers, which didn't work (since most ignored it until it started to make noise in class), but which did result in him being referred to the principal for being uncooperative and having police question his motives. We can condemn how the police reacted without the rest of the myth.

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    21. Re:Actually... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "But it's become clear that he doesn't tinker. "

      Which is entirely irrelevant.

      " And the police wanted to know what he was planning on doing with prop bomb at school, which Ahmed simply wouldn't answer."

      At the time of his arrest for building a hoax bomb there was absolutely no evidence that he was attempting to perpetrate a hoax. He couldn't answer what he was planning to do with a "prop bomb" since he didn't have a prob bomb to plan to do anything with. They might as well have asked him when he stopped beating his wife.

    22. Re:Actually... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "a 14-year-old boy who did something as ill-advised and devoid of forethought for possible consequences as any other 14-year-old boy might have done; he never considered that some dumb adults at his school would freak out because they have no understanding of what they were actually looking at."

      No rational person could anticipate that level of irrational response.

    23. Re:Actually... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Your theory sounds interesting... until we account for weird white bag inside the suitcase and for a simple, yet important fact: the clock's display faces the inside of the suitcase,

      You should stop getting your news from Fox news. It wasn't in a suitcase.

      He then turned the clock on during class and (apparently) set it up to alarm a few minutes later.

      Again, you show your bias. Mostly, clocks are on all the time. And the "apparently" shows clearly that you are condemning him based on something that you assume.

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    24. Re:Actually... by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      The evidence right now actually points to a prank meant get a rise out of teachers

      you are a lying scumbag

      to see the facts of this case, and write those works, makes you nothing less than that

      i pity anyone who has to interact with you in the real world, that instead of accepting real life evidence that goes against your ill-informed ignorant bigotry, you have to invent alternate reality delusions. someone in real life, a friend, a relative, a significant other,a coworker, is going to pay a heavy price for being around a person of such low slimeball character as you: "oh reality contradicts my position. that's ok, i'll just invent some lies and carry on rather than be honest to the world and to myself"

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    25. Re:Actually... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      No rational person could anticipate that level of irrational response

      Sure; but you have to admit, 14-year-old boys aren't exactly noted for thinking things through thoroughly.

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    26. Re:Actually... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Since you're not quoting anything I'm not exactly sure if you're responding to me or to some other commenter in this thread, but I'll say this: It isn't exactly unheard-of for a 14-year-old boy to exaggerate, any more than it is for them to not think things through thoroughly before acting. Also, you sound like you're being a bit pedantic about this; please stop that.

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    27. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to bed Ahmed.

    28. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Mostly, clocks are on all the time. A

      No, no they're not. He had to go out of his way to plug his 'invention' back in during English class in order to get caught.

    29. Re:Actually... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      No, no they're not. He had to go out of his way to plug his 'invention' back in during English class in order to get caught.

      What level of cognitive dissonance (or just plain stupidity, or bigotry) does it take such that you want to make stuff up in order to support your argument?

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    30. Re:Actually... by Boronx · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing he's got a bit of the Aspergers. Such kids really have no clue what is going to freak out adults. Yes, if he'd asked somebody, he might have found out in advance, but Asperger kids don't do that, either.

    31. Re:Actually... by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately having dealt with school administrators recently, I could have. It really is "watch what you say or you're out" these days in public schools.

    32. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stuck the works in a suitcase

      A suitcase, now. That's adorable.

    33. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no they're not. He had to go out of his way to plug his 'invention' back in during English class in order to get caught.

      What level of cognitive dissonance (or just plain stupidity, or bigotry) does it take such that you want to make stuff up in order to support your argument?

      None. That fact all over the news. The clock's alarm went off during class. And his device is not battery-powered.

    34. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your theory sounds interesting... until we account for weird white bag inside the suitcase and for a simple, yet important fact: the clock's display faces the inside of the suitcase,

      You should stop getting your news from Fox news. It wasn't in a suitcase.

      It's a small case. Pencil case, whatever. You're being obtuse.

      He then turned the clock on during class and (apparently) set it up to alarm a few minutes later.

      Again, you show your bias. Mostly, clocks are on all the time. And the "apparently" shows clearly that you are condemning him based on something that you assume.

      Not this clock. It needs to be plugged to an outlet. Again, you're being obtuse: there is a big freaking photo of the device at the article.

    35. Re:Actually... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, what else would you call it?
      http://www.dallasnews.com/inco...
      It has hinges on one side, and a handle on the other. It's a little toy suitcase.
      Seriously, how does that matter?

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  7. Re:It's A Different World Today by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Today's post 9/11 world is a dangerous one, where terrorist evildoers looking to exploit and destroy the free society we have.

    Nice way to spread more Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt there, buddy.

    I'm ok with a few innocent people being inconvenienced for my safety and my family's safety

    I'm OK with you getting modded down to "-1, Troll" for posting such verbal diarrhea. Know what's really ruining 'the free society we have'? It's not suicide bombers and gunmen screaming 'allahu akbar!', it's people like you who keep spouting bullshit like this. In an ideal United States, there is, of course, going to be potential for abuse, and that unfortunately includes some whack-jobs with guns and bombs. The solution to that problem is NOT 'throw the baby out with the bathwater', however; turning the United States into a Police State is exactly what the extremists want!

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  8. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be a terrorist sympathizer then. I do not condone any act that could be perceived as potentially illegal and I support the killing of persons whose actions may harm us.

  9. Re:It's A Different World Today by mrbester · · Score: 2

    The UK had over 30 years of terrorist attacks by the IRA, the bonus value of that being they weren't committed by those conveniently of a different race / colour so all of them could be tarred with the same brush of automatic guilt. In all that time we didn't succumb to your pathetic whiny surrendering of common sense, so go fuck yourself you racist coward.

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  10. A what? by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

    He rigged a tin-foil contract sensor to the metronome in the locker

    A contract sensor? The guy had to sign a NDA before being pranked?

    1. Re:A what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      No. No. The friend was Steve Jobs*. Even in school the easiest way to detect his presence was to detect the presence of a contract!

      * I actually have no idea if it was Jobs, and doubt it was since that fact would likely have been mentioned.

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    2. Re:A what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      touché - anyway the contact sensor to make the thing click faster is a really nice touch. Apple ][ forever.

  11. Re:It's A Different World Today by sumdumass · · Score: 1

    I was with you until you threw that not own a gun thing in there. I'm not sure how you can see right through the terrorism smoke screen but buy the gun lie hook line and sinker.

  12. Re:It's A Different World Today by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

    (..) turning the United States into a Police State is exactly what the extremists want!

    Which extremists are you referring to? Those very, very, very few extremists that carry bombs around? Those countless uniformed, power-abusing idiots that bully the rest of society? Or the even more dangerous idiots higher up in the chain of command?

  13. 1776 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tea party prank that went wrong been terrorising the world in the name of HAVING to buy shit every since.

  14. Not Homebrew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's really too bad Ahmed's clock is in fact not a home brew one. He just took an existing radio alarm clock from the 80's and moved the parts to a suitcase. He didn't even rewire anything.

  15. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow, just wow. I'm certainly not OK with inconveniencing people for my safety. That's a load of crap - and you must know the old quote about giving up freedoms for safety or security and what you then deserve. The thing I found odd about this is that just a year and a half ago my son had an engineering class in high school where they all had a project that they had to do (some in teams, some alone with just a parent helping out). Many of them could be mistaken for something nefarious just like this poor kid's project was. All the teams had to take prototypes and final designs to and from school on multiple occasions to show them off and also to a final evening event for kids, teachers, and parents. Nobody got arrested and nobody freaked out about any of them. Here's what parts of my son's looked like. Notice one of them is a digital display atop a protoshield on an Arduino. That one looks more like a "Hollywood bomb" than the thing Ahmed had. https://goo.gl/photos/qby6x5kQ...

  16. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best thing he can do for his country's sake is to lock himself in his house and duct-tape anyplace where that nasty old oxygen can get in.

    Home of the Brave, Hmph!

  17. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1776 was potentially illegal your founding are disgusted at your lack of support for their tax evasion. Coward!

  18. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was with you until you threw that not own a gun thing in there. I'm not sure how you can see right through the terrorism smoke screen but buy the gun lie hook line and sinker.

    GP is supported by evidence. I didn't even have to look hard - it was the first result of my first google search. tl;dr; you and/or your family members are more likely to die if you have a gun in the house.

    Now, if you are a person who respects the lethality of a gun, are responsible enough to keep it in a safe place when not in use, and are mindful enough to teach the rest of your family how to properly handle and respect the weapon, your experience might be quite different. But let's be honest - the average person likely does none of those things. And even if you do everything right most of the time - it still takes only one lapse for things to go bad, hence the emphasis on responsibility.

  19. Re:It's A Different World Today by gonz · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up!

  20. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today's post 9/11 world is a dangerous one

    No, it's really not. In the US, you're more likely to die from toenail fungus than from terrorist attacks.

    But the topic at hand is that the post 9/11 world is more dangerous. Why bring up unrelated topics like terrorists?

    In a post 9/11 world it is provably more dangerous as your more likely to die by minding your own business and being shot by a cop for doing absolutely nothing wrong than you are to die from any of the crap you listed!

    Pre 9/11: No chance of dying to a terrorist, little chance of dying from toe fungus or cops.

    Post 9/11: No chance of dying to a terrorist, little chance of dying from toe fungus, extremely high chances of being killed or imprisoned for going out to get the mail.

    That is clearly more dangerous

  21. If Item.Not(Bible||Gun) Be.Scared==True; by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically, in the USA, if you are carrying something that is not a bible, or a gun, or a gun with bible verses on it, people will be scared.

    Wrap up anything in the bible, or the american flag, or both, and people will accept it, just look at most of the government surveillance programs.

    Bibles, Guns, and Flags, you can wrap up shit in any one of them, and Americans will line up to eat it.

  22. This was a dangerous project by trout007 · · Score: 1

    From the pictures it looked like the 120V from the power cord was not protected in any way. If you plugged it in and touched the wrong place you could have had a nasty shock.

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    1. Re:This was a dangerous project by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Danger is what makes electrical projects fun! I learned how much energy capacitors store when i discharged a 220uF one charged to about 300V through my chest. Knocked me down and I went into mild shock, taught me plenty as a youngster.

      Same with the energy stored in flywheels, i wondered why the metal cylinder i was spinning was deforming so badly then calculated it was because the g-force of acceleration exceeded 2 thousand gravities. Luckily no one was killed in the second one. It sure gave me some excitement and drove my early desire to learn engineering.

  23. Real Fake Bomb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the 90's, came home from work for lunch and the fire dept. and bomb squad (with spherical steel-container on truck) had shut off my apartment building. Maintenance people went into an apartment and saw a bomb on the coffee table and called 911. Bomb squad was actually fooled for a while but it turned out to be fake. Turns out, the guy made fake bombs as a hobby. He didn't show them off, just kept them in his apartment.

    The police looked at how he could be charged but there is nothing illegal about having a home-made fake bomb in the privacy of your own home.

  24. I made a Gameboy in 1987 when I was 12 by trout007 · · Score: 1

    OK it wasn't that portable. But I stripped an NES and put it in a casset tape case with enough D cells to get it to run. Then I took one of those small Casio pocket TV's and connected it. I also put in a car adapter plug since it didn't run long on batteries. It was pretty cludged together but we could play NES games in the car during long road trips.

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  25. My favorite was Bonsai Kitten by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten

    I remember animal rights groups getting up in arms about this a decade and a half ago.

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  26. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >

    The best things you can do for your family's safety is check the wiring in your house and not own a gun.

    This, a thousand times over. We Europeans know this. We do not allow people to own guns. People do not need weapons, and they do not need "freedom of speech". People need unity and purpose. We Europeans follow our leaders without question, just as it should be. If they say welcome migrants, we do it. If they say do not, we do not do it. Absolute obedience to centralized authorities are the ONLY way to peace and tranquillity. You illiterate merican simians could never understand that.

  27. Re:It's A Different World Today by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    it's a simple statistical fact that owning a gun increases the danger to you and your loved ones, it does not decrease it

    people who leave barrels of gasoline around their property don't suffer from fuel shortages, but they tend to have problems with inhaling vapors, increase in cancer, and the occasional accidental fire. it's a joke analogy but i have to make it because the propaganda around guns is so deeply ingrained simple reason on the topic disappears

    if you understand keeping dangeorus things around your living area might increase the danger to you, like barrels of gasoline, then maybe you can also understand the really simple concept that someone with a gun *may* be a hero in a crime situation, but is way way more likely to have an accident/ have a tragedy. the gun owner may kill his son sneaking in the window because he forgot his keys. is that more or less likely than stopping a crime? well, that's only one scenario, there are thousands more accidents and tragedies that can occur, all "acceptable" even though more likely, because so many morons think they live in a dirty harry movie

    guns don't protect you. they increase the danger to you

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  28. Re:It's A Different World Today by DaHat · · Score: 1

    You really should read more than the headline... the study started by looking at households where a death had already happened and then asking if there were any firearms in the house and so largely ignores the rest of the homes where firearms exist safely and without killing anyone.

    Correlation != causation.

  29. Re:It's A Different World Today by DaHat · · Score: 1

    if you understand keeping dangeorus things around your living area might increase the danger to you,

    Way to completely discount the rather significant # of defensive uses of firearms which appear to out number offensive uses: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar...

  30. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Absolute obedience to centralized authorities"

    Sort of like how you swear allegiance to the flag, constitution, and god?

  31. shit article by Osgeld · · Score: 1

    just make having some hero worship and nothing else, much like every other self masturbatory article on that pretentious site

  32. Choosing statistics by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    tl;dr; you and/or your family members are more likely to die if you have a gun in the house.

    I do statistics for my day job, and have looked into the "gun ownership" statistics extensively.

    What you are citing is narrowly chosen numbers to support one side of the issue. It's one of a vast sea of misleading statistics used to promote one side of the gun control issue. (And the other side does the same thing.)

    To show the fallacy, note that this particular statistic can be applied to vaccinations. "You are more likely to die from an allergic response to than to actually get the disease".

    Does this mean you shouldn't get vaccinated?

    A better statistical view is to look at society as a whole, and all causes of death.

    While having a gun may raise your family's chance of death, it *lowers* the chance of death for everyone in your neighborhood. Having someone who could grab a gun and come out onto the porch gives a measure of protection to the neighborhood. It encourages criminals to go elsewhere.

    And that particular statistic you cited isn't about "likely to die", it's "likely to die by gunshot".

    Even though the likelihood of "death by gunshot" goes up, the total likelihood of death goes *down* with gun ownership.

    This is because "total likelihood of death" also takes into consideration things like reduction of lifestyle after being robbed. That $300 from your wallet has to be made up somehow, and the after-effects show up in things like reduced nutrition and health care.

    None of this is obvious to the public because there's so much political wrangling on both sides.

    But when you look at the total picture, the statics seem to show that gun ownership as a whole, for a society, seems to decrease the mortality rate.

    1. Re:Choosing statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you suggesting that accidental firearm-related injuries and fatalities occur in significant numbers in homes that don't have firearms?

  33. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And even if you do everything right most of the time - it still takes only one lapse for things to go bad, hence the emphasis on responsibility.

    Exactly the attitude that led to arresting Ahmed.

  34. Re:It's A Different World Today by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    the number of defensive uses of fire arms is way way smaller than the number of accidents and tragedies

    that's the simple point

    most people just want to steal your stuff. you have a big head about yourself if you think hannibal lecter is lurking around every corner (and that you and your trusty gun will stop a genius, or even a moronic serial killer, who has the element of surprise)

    more likely, you turn a situation where you lose your tv, into a situation you escalate to mortal one, where you or someone dies oe is grievously injured. you're a perfect shot? your gun won't jam? you have the element of surprise? he has no accomplices? it is n't your jkid sneakin gin the window because he forgot his keys?

    nevermind the simple fact that even if i had a gun, i'd rather just lay in bed and go "take the tv asswipe, leave me alone or i'll shoot you" because i don't want to deal with the red tape of a dead guy in my house, nevermind having to clean bits of brain matter off my living space, and have to redo the wallboard. better to just lose the tv and get the insurance money

    but so many mouth breathing morons have a hard on with these dirty harry fantasies of stopping crime. it happens. it also happens orders of magnitude less than the accidents and tragedies. nevermind successfully killing a guy fucking sucks, just in terms of cleaning up that shit. which i would rather do less than lose a fucking tv

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  35. Friend of mine have an actually dangerous machine by penguinoid · · Score: 2

    A friend of mine owns a large metal machine that powers itself by a series of small explosions. It can travel upwards of 100 MPH, and weighs over a ton. Similar machines have been responsible for well over a dozen of deaths already, yet he thinks nothing of riding it to work every day. The police have never questioned him about his giant metal death machine.

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  36. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your "I'm so much smarter than you" attitude makes me wish I could downmod you as a person rather than only downmod your posts.

  37. Re:It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    guns don't protect you. they increase the danger to you

    Mode up. We Europeans have learned it well. You do not need guns. Moreover, we have to think about the risks to society against risks to individuals. A citizen is killed by a criminal? Yes, it is a tragedy but a small one. It's vastly preferable to have an irrelevant number of civilians killed every year rather than liberalize firearms possession and imperil society. Europe is greater and more important than any individual. It is the duty of every European citizen to lay down their lives for Europe.

  38. Re: It's A Different World Today by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    i'm not that smart and there's plenty in the world i don't know about

    but on this topic, and to whom i am talking to, i am indeed more intelligent and knowledgeable

    if you say my attitude doesn't help regardless, i'm not sure how coddling a propagandized moron helps either

    if you say something stupid, i'm calling you stupid. if you don't like that approach i take, you are free to not read my comments

    you don't have to like my attitude. i'm not a nice person. but you're not compelled to interact with me. so fuck off asswipe

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  39. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His attitude is correct since I, a European citizen, agree with him. You should understand that as a European I'm smarter and way more learned and sophisticated than you could ever imagine. Shut up and let adults speak.

  40. Re:It's A Different World Today by circletimessquare · · Score: 0

    thank you

    this australian makes a mockery of all the retarded american arguments about guns so well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    highly recommended watch. at least for americans who have to slog through so much propaganda and ignorance on this topic

    someday we will have sane gun laws in the usa. stupidity can't reign forever

    but it's a long hard slog uphill against a fierce wind of pure propaganda and ignorant shit

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  41. The best has to be the "Atomic Boy Scout" by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    I mean, he was just a curious youth and his project was mostly harmless, right?
    ;-)

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  42. Re: It's A Different World Today by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    ah, i see, let's make it a joke. because tens of thousands of pointless deaths every year in the usa due to easy guns is a joke, not really a problem

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  43. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have had countless IRA bombings in England, as well as car bombs and other events, as well as mass shootings (for instance, the 80 children killed at a Norwegian summer camp or the school shooting that compelled bob geldof to write the song "I don't like mondays" a few decades ago.

    The us has a staggering number of 'suicide by gun shot' cases a year, which is matched almost exactly proportionately by an equally staggering number suicides in Europe by means other than gunshot. Suicide is as prevalent in Europe as it is in the US, the presence of more guns means suicidal people don't need to jump in front of a train, hang themselves in a closet, slash their wrists in tubs or take pills - they simply get a gun.

    The lack of private gun ownership simply redirects 'the bad guys' to accomplish their goals without guns.

  44. Young man hatches plan to intimidate woman, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and profits. Ahmed is just a nasty little misogynist who does not like white women telling him what to do. How has that got anything to do with pranks between friends by talented geeks?

  45. Re:It's A Different World Today by Boronx · · Score: 1

    No. That attitude led to them investigating his device. This is appropriate if someone has a concern. Arresting him was some combination of pig headed stupidity, racism, and a "double down" attitude of the police.

  46. Re:It's A Different World Today by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    Get used to it guys. We don't live in the safe, lily-white world of yesterday where innocent pranks can just be ignored.
    Today's post 9/11 world is a dangerous one, where terrorist evildoers looking to exploit and destroy the free society we have.
    I sympathize with the innocent kids like Ahmed, but his situation is a small price to pay for waging the war on terrorism. I'm ok with a few innocent people being inconvenienced for my safety and my family's safety.

    What's that quote about trading freedom for security again?

    Seriously, though. How many terrorist attacks have there been in the US since 9/11? We've turned into a nation that jumps at our own shadow and that lets political leaders exploit our fears for their own gain. ("Only the TRX-9000 can stop airport terrorist attacks so we need to buy a million units. Nobody look to see the kickbacks I'm getting from sales of the TRX-9000." "If you vote for my opponent he'll let the terrorists kill your kids. You don't want the terrorists to kill your kids, do you? Vote for me.")

    Freedom means that we'll always have some risk of terrorist attacks. When I go to the mall, what assurance do I have that some terrorist isn't walking in with a bomb? After all, I'm freely walking into the public location. Maybe we need TSA-level security at every mall entrance and exit. And at every public park. And at the entrance to each and every major city. (Have you and your completely searched to enter/exit a city.) And why stop at cities? Every town, building, and other location could have TSA-level security as well to "protect us from terrorists."

    Sure, we won't be able to walk anywhere without presenting papers proving that we are good citizens, but destroying our freedom ourselves is a small price to pay for keeping terrorists from destroying our freedom, right?

    (For the record, in case the AC thinks this is a great idea, that was massive sarcasm.)

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  47. Re: It's A Different World Today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tens of thousands of pointless deaths due to guns?
    you should review the stats before saying such sh*t.

  48. Re:It's A Different World Today by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

    Yes. Long life the collective Comrade.

    Individual freedom. Individual Rights are meaningless.


    /sarc

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  49. Did anybody really think it was a bomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the school evacuated?
    Was the bomb squad called?
    Did the student visit the Principal's office with the device?
    Did he ride in police car with the device?

  50. Legos in the Wrong Shape -- Suspension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My son, who certainly appears white and has an innocuous whitish name, got suspended from middle school for making a "knife" out of Lego pieces. Ahmed's case does seem to have some additional factors, but I believe that boys are being demonized in traditional schools.

  51. Note to... by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    Note to those whose job it is to detect bombs and such things:
    Real bombs do -not- have Big Red Numbers on them. That is just Hollywood fakery for movies. 8-)