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Robots' Next Big Job: Trash Pickup
Nerval's Lobster writes: You've heard of self-driving cars, fast-moving robots, and automated homes. Now a research group led by Volvo, a waste-recycling company, and a trio of universities in the United States and Sweden want to bring much of the same technology to bear on a new problem: trash disposal. Specifically, the consortium wants to build a robot that will collect trash-bins from in front of peoples' homes, carry those bins to the nearest waste-disposal truck, and empty them. While that's a pretty simple (although smelly) task for a human being, it's an incredibly complex task for a robot, which will need to evaluate and respond to a wide range of environmental variables while carrying a heavy load. An uneven curb, or an overloaded bin, could spell disaster. Hopefully Volvo's experiment can succeed in a way that some of its other self-driving projects have failed. It's struck me, too, how the trash collection vehicles that come by my house are mostly piloted robots already; the humans are there to deal with problems and control the joysticks, but hydraulic arms lift and empty the garbage containers themselves.
...but in suburban and rural areas this really wouldn't be that necessary. As long as there's room for a standardized bin to be wheeled to the street by the tenant or resident of the property then the trash truck is capable of automatically picking up the can and dumping its contents so long as the driver stops the truck at the right spot.
There are still some places where two or three men work each truck, where one drives and one or two manually dump the tenants' or residents' own cans instead of a standardized can supplied by the municipality, but I suspect those are more due to negotiated rules between the unions and the waste management services; the unions want to keep their people employed and the service doesn't want to spend $300,000 per truck to replace their old manual truck that still run with new automated trucks, so they keep the existing system in place.
Makes me wonder how easy it would be to automate trash collection from high density areas though, where each building and possibly each floor would have its own unique method for placing trash for collection. It might require standardization, to a degree, on the part of the residents.
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Get that past the unions and city contractors.
From TFS:
It's struck me, too, how the trash collection vehicles that come by my house are mostly piloted robots already; the humans are there to deal with problems and control the joysticks, but hydraulic arms lift and empty the garbage containers themselves.
Where I am, the human drives the truck, gets it lined up with the can, etc. If some asshat homeowner puts the bin out too far from the curb, or turned "wrong" (sideways or backwards or not mostly square to the road), said worker has to hop out and get the bin in position for the arms to grab, slaps teh big red button on the side of the truck, and the hydraulics/mechanics/robotics take over from there.
The human is still needed for the fuzzy logic stuff - driving, checking distance of the bin to the road, orientation of the bin, etc - but with a halfway considerate homeowner they don't need to get out of the truck that often. Big change from the "hop out, toss 2 full cans up and dump 'em in, compact it, head to next set of cans" model that was around a few years back...
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Since majority of the people in my apartment complex are STUPID when it comes to the recycling and garbage dumpster (i.e., posted signs routinely ignored), the leasing office hired a contracting firm to have several people sort, breakdown and distribute the contents of each dumpsters in the morning hours. Recyclables go into the recyclables dumpster, garbage into the garbage dumpster, and inappropriate items (i.e., one-gallon bottle of motor oil or piss) are dealt with in an appropriate manner. Looking forward to that extra surcharge to sewer and garbage bill.
It could work on my street, mostly. I live on a street with a court and at the end the truck typically has to reverse/forward/reverse/forward to get in a position where the hydraulic lift can pick up my container and get it dumped. There are situations where the containers are not properly positioned (backward, sideways, obstructions, etc) and make it impossible for the truck to get to the container and they guy will actually get out and re-position the container so as to get at it. But since the city is the one picking it up, they could just forego getting those. The owners will quickly learn their lesson. Or sue city hall.
> Robots' Next Big Job: Trash Pickup
That's not a big job, that's a cosmic job! Wall-E and EVE will have to screw a lot of robo-kids together to amass an army of cleaners which can cope with such a herculean task ... so we may sit.
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I thought the newest garabage trucks had an arm on the truck to pick up the garabage can. The arm is controlled by the driver, with a joystick. Is the purpose to keep the human from having to push the bin out to the curb?
The City of Walla Walla seem to have got that up and running 5 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWTbsHVCawQ
They'll have to call it the UrbanMech...
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Presumably robots can't talk back anyway.
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Robot sidles up to some suitably trashy female in a bar: "Say, baby (beep). Do (click, click) you come here often (modem noises)?"
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from tfa the mockup shows a typical suburb, but in a city collecting trash is much more complex. offices and apartment complexes often store their dumpsters in the buildings parking garage or in a tight alleyway. garbage trucks cant get to them directly, and so rely on smaller positioning vehicles to take the dumpster to a location the truck can safely reach. on large streets, dumpsters can take up an entire lane of traffic or parking while waiting for a garbage pickup. at the end of the day, positioning vehicles return the dumpster to its original location.
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How many robots are going to notice living beings or formerly living beings in trash cans before disposal?
I live in an urban area, and unfortunately there has been an influx of hipsters over the last three or four years. If you aren't aware, hipsters tend to not have kids. Instead they own dogs. Not just one or two dogs, but sometimes three or four dogs. Since they live in loft apartments without yards, they just let their dogs shit outside. Being the products of suburbia, these hipsters tend not to know how to do something as basic as pick up dog shit with a scoop, or even a bag over their hand.
So our public areas are now covered in dog shit. It's all over the place. It's on the sidewalks. It's on park benches. It's hidden in the grass. It's tracked all over the place by innocent victims who accidentally have stepped in it.
Getting these hipsters to clean up their dogs' shit isn't going to happen. I'm not even certain that they can bend down that far, given how tight their jeans are, especially on the men with the fanciest artisanal moustaches. They won't give up their dogs, either, because these are their "fur babies".
We need robots that could come along and automatically clean up the dog shit that's all over the place. Then it can dispose of it by sneaking up behind these hipsters, and smearing the shit all over the backs and clothes of these hipsters.
Those are the kinds of robots we need!
Trash collection is notoriously messy. There are few standards that people have to follow with packing their trash can and place it on the curb. Even if they do follow directions, there are a lot of factors to account for. This is a hard problem for robots, and they're going to get it wrong sometimes. Are they going to include a cleanup robot that will follow the truck and pick up any messes?
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Where I live (a rather affluent suburb of Vienna, Austria) trash collection is done by unskilled, lowly-educated workers who don't have much chance at any other type of job. I would hate to think of these poor people being pushed out of about the only job they could get by... robots.
There definitely is an ethical side to employing - or not employing - robots. I truly do hope we get that one right, for once.
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First we built the Cylons to perform tasks that were too 'dirty' for man. Then we programmed them to fight our wars for us.
There is only an ethical issue if your a hardcore capitalist. Automating trash collection does not lesson the worlds ability to feed/cloth/support the worlds population. It just pushes economies into historically corrupt centrally planned systems. Once you make the decision that your paying low education workers regardless of their efficiency there is no reason to have them do demeaning jobs like trash collection. They could be doing an infinite number of other things that your unwilling to pay for.
I was shocked to see a garbage truck that had the ability to rip washing machines, mattresses and old cabinets and pull in the shards. It did have human workers but that truck was designed to get rid of anything that a home might have with ease and efficiency.
My city uses prisoners to dump the cans, while a guard of some kind drives the truck. There could be some downsides to this, but it gives the inmates something to do rather than hang around the jail.
I've lived here for 20 years and have yet to hear about any trying to escape, so there must be a nice incentive to do the job.
In my area I see the same trash company advertising for diesel mechanics all the time. I pointed this ad out to my brother who happened to be looking for a job as a diesel mechanic. It turns out that when you work under a trash truck that all of the assorted goo from the trash pickup from the last week is falling down on you. Of all the other goo from a normal truck, trash truck goo is about as bad as it gets.
So... of the high tech technicians that would be working on robots, who do you think they will find to work on trash robots?
Piloted robots? You mean machines? By that logic the self-driving car has been here for a century, since you don't have to put your feet through the floor and push.
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