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This Is What a Real Bomb Looks Like

szczys writes: You see them all the time in movies and TV shows, but is that what an actual bomb looks like? Probably not... here's what a real bomb looks like. This story stems from a millionaire gone bust from gambling addiction who decided to extort riches back from the casino. He built a bomb and got it into the building, then ransomed the organization for $3 million. The FBI documented the mechanisms in great detail — including the 8 independent trigger systems that made it impossible for them to disarm the thing. The design was so nefarious it's still used today as a training tool.

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  1. Looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    a clock to me

    1. Re:Looks like... by jfdavis668 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Looks like a classic Doctor Who villain to me.

  2. Silly story... by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Real bombs can look like anything. The ones that get the military right now look like anything from dolls to bits of debris by the side of the road. Telling people what bombs really look like is misleading. The limitations governing shape and size come primarily from the intended use: if you want to kill a few soldiers by tricking them, then you disguise the bomb to look like something innocent, hiding the trigger and explosives from view. If you want to blow up a big building at a certain time or on a certain command, then you're limited by the amount of explosive and whatever sort of elaborate trigger mechanism you want to ensure it doesn't get disarmed, can be safely transported to its deployment area, and can be activated by your favorite method. If you want to drop one from a plane, launch one from a missile, or drop one on a sub, you additionally have other problems...

    1. Re:Silly story... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I used to be a security officer and I had training on IED identification.

      You're completely correct. And that's assuming you can see the thing in the first place. Sometimes the IED winds up under something. I heard of one case where a guy lost his leg kicking an IED that was hidden under a fried chicken bucket.

      The only thing you can do is to look for something that has what appears to be the requisite components to be an explosive device.

      What people don't realize is that the easy part is making a device that will explode, the hard thing is making it explode when you want it to.

    2. Re:Silly story... by DaHat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plain out-and-out racism and denying this kid his civil rights.

      You have specific evidence that he was singled out because of his race? Or is that your own bias showing?

      If so, why then so much less outrage & support for the kid who pointed a chicken finger at another student, or the pop-tart gun kid, or the kid who wrote a story about shooting a dinosaur? I don't think any of them got invited to the White House.

    3. Re:Silly story... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only thing you can do is to look for something that has what appears to be the requisite components to be an explosive device.

      I'm not certain, but I'm pretty sure one of the "requisite components" of an explosive device is some fucking explosives.'

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    4. Re:Silly story... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least the French teacher in the high school might have been able to have figure out that is wasn't a bomb.

      It was Irving goddamn Texas for chrissake. You think they have a French teacher?

      The closest thing they have to foreign language studies is sophomore Biology.

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    5. Re:Silly story... by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative

      The kid's circuit had no explosive and was plain to see it wasn't a bomb as a result.

      What, specifically, does "explosive" look like? Or more important, what would you LIKE it to look like?

      I mean, with C4 (looks like putty) you can mold it to have any shape you want and then paint it, or stuff it into a container. You can make it into a pencil box and then paint over it with a stiff epoxy paint to make it hold its shape.

      Or nitroglycerine. It's a liquid. Looks like water. Put it in a water bottle. Put a little caramel coloring in it and put it in a Coke bottle. Dye it green and it's Mountain Dew!

      Tannerite looks like a grey powder. I'm guessing you could put a little resin in with it and press it into any shape you want to, and paint it so it's not gray.

      Nitrocellulose looks like, well, cellulose but it has a bunch of nitrate groups bonded to it. I had a few bottles of it when I was young, it looked just like shredded coconut. But I could dissolve it and turn it into something that looked like paper. Nitrostarches look like flour. "That's not a bomb, it's a bag of flour."

      This Hackaday article is stupid. It is showing us what one particular bomb looked like. It can't show us what every bomb looks like, because there is no defining visible property that you can say "that's what a bomb looks like". Even this "plain to see" it has no explosive statement is just ridiculous.

      Do you know what a Campbell's Soup Can looks like? Doesn't look like a bomb, does it? Well, slip a hand grenade with the pin pulled in one and it makes a dandy bomb. Kick the can, the grenade pops out, the handle flies off, and in a few seconds, boom! Is that an electrolytic capacitor there on that circuit board, or is it a small amount of explosive in a metal can? (Or is it both!)

      How about a soda straw? No explosive there, right? Plain to see. Well, when I was TEN I was making time delay fuses out of soda straws and nitrocellulose. Absolutely trivial. You couldn't tell by looking it wasn't just a soda straw anymore.

      Everyone treated the thing as "not a bomb" but treated the kid like a terrorist anyway.

      Being a terrorist doesn't require actually having a bomb, all it takes is pretending. That's why bomb HOAXES are illegal, too.

    6. Re:Silly story... by amRadioHed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sorry you're wrong. Leaving a suspicious looking object unattended is a completely different situation from carrying something around in your bag and telling people it's a clock when asked.

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  3. Not a real story by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The PD didn't even think it looked like a bomb, that's why the school wasn't evacuated.

    Yes, it's a neat story, but no there was zero reason to tie this into recent events.

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    1. Re:Not a real story by Iamthecheese · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > you don't joke around about stuff like that. Ever. Fuck this paranoid bullshit. Until terrorism is a real actual problem that harms people as much as say, falling into pools accidentally there's no reason for this allergic reaction of a response.

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  4. Re:Impossible to disarm? by medv4380 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They tried that with a shaped charge of C4, but the few sticks of dynamite he put in it for just in case they tried that caused the TNT to explode.

  5. How to handle by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since this is something that seems like it would be difficult to defuse or even work on, what would be the best way to handle the situation where it's found in a location like this? The linked article indicates that attempts to diffuse the bomb failed and it left a five-story crater in the building where it was located, which is probably less than ideal.

    The only thing I can really think of would to try to build some kind of reinforced blast cage around it in order to minimize the amount of damage it can do or perhaps try to direct the explosion to minimize hard, much like a gun directs the force of a blast out of the barrel.

    Also, would scanning it even be safe as what's to stop someone from building some kind of trigger that would respond to x-ray exposure? Even if there weren't such a trigger, could anyone even call that bluff?

    1. Re:How to handle by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Informative

      X-ray triggers are exotic parts even today, and very hard to get in 1980. A bomber would have to go to some lengths to get hold of one, and it might be possible to track the purchase afterwards.

      Just a footnote to what you said: Any semiconductor diode will detect X-rays, and bigger devices will have a larger capture aperture than smaller ones.

      Just sawing the cap off of a transistor will work as a detector. A 2n2222 in metal case has a tiny aperture, but a 2N3055 power transistor has an aperture of about a square CM. I've personally used both as detectors.

      As many people have found out, CCD camera arrays are sensitive to X-rays and can be used as detectors. The areas aren't much bigger than a power transistor, but the interface is usually trivial - just process the image and look for bright specs.

      I don't disagree with your post at all. Making an X-ray detector would be a separate project and require some electronics expertise, and it seems that people who make bombs are largely ones who don't otherwise have marketable skills.

      But if a STEM-educated bomber were to suddenly appear, it's not unreasonable for them to include an X-ray detector.

    2. Re:How to handle by FranTaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no deaths, no injuries, and one less casino. Sounds like a good deal to me.

  6. That's what one bomb looks like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it weren't for the recent unpleasantness in Texas this article wouldn't have appeared here. I in no way condone this kid being hauled off to prison without more cause but let's not act like "that's not a bomb, this is a bomb" about it. These devices take all kinds of shapes, sizes and formats. Let's not let one example dismantle an entire range of possibilities. It's an unfortunate trait anymore, this idea that if our ideal vision of something doesn't fit the reality of it all then it's not worth considering the possibilities. This is why we get into endless (read: pointless) shouting matches about education, politics and many social constructs.
     
    We're not going to rise from the quagmire we're in by thinking this way.

  7. Re:More like....this by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny
  8. Re:Impossible to disarm? by medv4380 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cutting open the case to get to the wires would have cause the aluminum foil to complete the circuit. The only option was the cut open the case and the wires simultaneously. To do that required a shaped charge. This is the only detonator that the FBI has come accost that couldn't even be disarmed by its creator for a reason. The ransom was just for the switch code to disable the tilt switch so they could move it to a safe place to explode.

  9. Ah, yes.. by ilumits · · Score: 3, Funny

    It was disguised as an IBM copy machine in order to sneak it into the casino after hours.

    ..so that's what they look like.

  10. They Never thought he had a bomb... by mrops · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read this somewhere, humor with a hint of truth (and I paraphrase):

    Girl: They thought he had a bomb
    Guy: No they didn't think he had a bomb
    Girl: Yes they did
    Guy:
    They didn't evacuate the school like you would if he had a bomb.
    They didn't call bomb squad like you would if he had a bomb.
    They took pictures of the contraption which you wouldn't have time for if it was a bomb.
    They put the contraption in a cop car which you wouldn't do if he had a bomb.

    They didn't think it was a bomb.

    1. Re:They Never thought he had a bomb... by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They never claimed it was a bomb. They claimed it was a bomb hoax.

    2. Re:They Never thought he had a bomb... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They never claimed it was a bomb. They claimed it was a bomb hoax.

      They claimed it was a "bomb hoax" four hoursafter they arrested the kid and had examined the clock to discern it's arcane meaning.

      They claimed it was a bomb hoax to try to cover their stupid cracker asses.

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    3. Re:They Never thought he had a bomb... by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if this was because he was muslim then surely the dozens to hundreds of other kids arrested and expelled for things even more asinine, like chewing a poptart into the wrong shape, must have been because of their race too... right? I mean surely you aren't holding a double standard here only for your precious designated victim class...

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    4. Re:They Never thought he had a bomb... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Informative

      They claimed it was a bomb hoax to try to cover their stupid cracker asses.

      What a stupid cracker may look like.

      By all means though, this story doesn't have nearly enough racism. Please continue to add more.

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    5. Re:They Never thought he had a bomb... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      What a stupid cracker may look like

      I guarantee that whoever that cop in the picture is, he wasn't the one deciding what kind of charges were to be brought against Ahmed.

      Here is a picture of the police chief of Irving, Texas:

      http://cdn5.img.sputniknews.co...

      And here's a picture of him standing with his posse:

      http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm...

      [note: Take a look at the faces in that photo. Now remember that Irving, Texas is 60% minority. Get the picture?]

      Here is a picture of the mayor of Irving, Texas, who has been giving speeches about how Muslims are gonna take over the US legal system:

      http://cdn3.freedomoutpost.com...

      Yes, I stand by "stupid cracker". If you have a more apt term, I'm keen to hear it.

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    6. Re: They Never thought he had a bomb... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe the clock was the source of the alarm... ;)

  11. Sweet! by wardrich86 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Damn Interesting has an awesome write-up all about this bomb. Definitely recommend this site for anybody interested. They've actually got a lot of really awesome articles there.

  12. Confidence in your design by belthize · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I'm working around live wires I will frequently test the circuit, trip the breaker and then re-test the circuit just to be sure. And even after all that I still will occasionally brush wires to frame to make sure I haven't over looked something. I'll readily admit to a bit of irrationality where all that is concerned.

    That said I can't imagine buttoning up all that Rube Goldberg contraption, transporting and then setting it to armed without a lot of trepidation that it would just go boom. Maybe the tilt mechanism got stuck in the contact position, maybe there was a short somewhere, maybe maybe maybe.

    I'm really curious what his heart rate was the second he threw the switch. Did he have 100% confidence in the design or did he flinch.

  13. Re:Impossible to disarm? by FranTaylor · · Score: 4, Informative

    Couldn't they use a drill made of non-conductive material to drill into the case?

    you didn't RTFA closely enough, the agents considered this but chips from the drilling process would have completed the circuit regardless of the drill's conductiveness.

  14. Direct yes, contain no. Containment causes explosi by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > The only thing I can really think of would to try to build some kind of reinforced blast cage around it in order to minimize the amount of damage it can do or perhaps try to direct the explosion to minimize hard, much like a gun directs the force of a blast out of the barrel.

    Directing the blast is certainly a reasonable approach. You can't really contain it. The container has to be maybe 1,000 times as big as the bomb, and very strong. So not feasible in most cases.

    A great many explosives only explode BECAUSE they are confined. If you light a pile of gun powder in the open, you get fire. If you light the same quantity of gun powder inside of a container such as a cannon ball or gun, you get an explosion. The explosion occurs when the pressure gets high enough to burst open the containment.

    Other explosives can self-confine - provided there is a significant quantity, the part in the middle is contained by the explosive around it, and that can start a chain reaction of pressure.

    All that to say - if it were near an outside wall, assembling a vault around it to direct the energy through that wall would be the way to go. Maybe go ahead and cut a hole in the wall too.

  15. Re:What everyone is missing... by imidan · · Score: 3, Funny

    And no I've never heard of Timothy McBay. Is he the guy that makes all the shitty movies with the explosions in place of plot ?

    What about Ted Stravinsky, the tunabomber?