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Coke Discloses Millions in Grants for Health Research and Programs

New submitter erinrivers11 writes: Following criticism that Coke has supported research that plays down the role of soft drinks in the spread of obesity, the company released a list showing nearly $120 million in grants to medical, research and community organizations. The Times reports: "The list, published Tuesday on the company’s website, details hundreds of Coke grants, large and small, to a variety of organizations since 2010, including physician groups, university researchers, cancer and diabetes organizations and public parks, and even a foundation for the National Institutes of Health."

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  1. Manipulate people opinions by victorsosa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is how you manipulate people opinions by let others people tell that everything is ok or everything is an hoax.

    1. Re:Manipulate people opinions by alex67500 · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I'm guessing 120m is a drop in the ocean for a corporation that large. They probably paid 5 times that to be sponsors of the Fifa football world cup...

    2. Re:Manipulate people opinions by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if someone will do a study on whether or not there are any people left who don't know that soda is bad for you, or what it is that forces people to drink it...

    3. Re:Manipulate people opinions by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Its the same thing that is happening with ecigs right now, you ask for the data to replicate their "findings" and often you will get back nothing but silence and when you follow the money? "These papers paid for by RJ Reynolds and your friends in big tobacco", same is true for those government officials pushing for banning or labeling them as drugs, bought and paid for by your local coffin nail pushers.

      My personal favorite was the "study" that said ecigs had 20 times the formaldehyde as actual cigarettes, when somebody managed to get a hold of the study complete with their "testing" methods? They 1.- Took a CE4, a top that most places haven't sold in ages as they are truly bottom of the barrel garbage that never worked worth a fuck, and then pushed the top to a temp of nearly 500 degrees F which can only be reached using an expensive mechanical mod with no safety mechanisms like automatic temp cutoff. What ecig user is gonna take a $100+ mechanical mod and use a 50c top, one whose threading isn't even supported anymore so it would require a threading adapter? And no shit you'd find formaldehyde at 500 F, you are literally melting the wick and boiling the juice at those temps!

      But the soda corps have it even worse than the cigarette corps, as recent studies have shown that diet soda makes you fatter*** and puts you at increased risk of diabetes as it kills the good gut bacteria and boosts the bad, making the body less able to tolerate natural sugars. This leaves them with only bottled water which just isn't gonna generate the $$$ that Coke has over the years. If I were in charge of marketing I'd probably do the same thing because as the MSM starts picking up stories about diet soda? Their business is gonna be fucked.

      *** Unfortunately all the links I could find were locked behind paywalls, if anybody could find a copy of the study that isn't locked it would be appreciated.

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    4. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Coren22 · · Score: 0

      Since coke was named after the cocaine that was originally in the formula, perhaps they have found a new addictive substance that they add to their mix.

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    5. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      This leaves them with only bottled water which just isn't gonna generate the $$$ that Coke has over the years.

      http://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=...

      http://smile.amazon.com/Coca-C...

      I think Coca Cola Bottling company does quite well on bottled water. It looks like they cost about the same amount, and bottled water has one ingredient which requires no mixing.

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    6. Re:Manipulate people opinions by johnlcallaway · · Score: 0

      It's also how you examine and repudiate the bull shit put out by so many people who want to control people's choices by telling everyone soda, corn syrup, and sugar are all evil and no one should every use them.

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    7. Re:Manipulate people opinions by johnlcallaway · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those supposed health groups that try and tell all of us that sugar, soda, and corn syrup are all evil and shouldn't be consumed have been playing this same game. How dare Coke try and refute the lies those groups are spreading.

      Funny thing, I rarely drink soda anymore, and I'm still overweight. Could it possibly be that other factors are involved?? Like not having enough physical activity?? Or just simply eating too much??

      Everyone knows that too many calories and not enough physical activity causes weight gain. But a few feel it is their responsibility to get things banned because some people just can't control their own eating habits. They would ban something that many enjoy in moderation just to impact the few that still will be overweight because they have numerous issues with their caloric intake and burn rates.

      I grew up with soda in the house. It was a treat. We had it once in awhile. We always had whole milk for dinner. I drank water in the summer from the hose, and the rest of the time from the tap. I had one or two bowls of sugary cereal every morning for breakfast. Yet I wasn't overweight because I rode my bike or walked everywhere I needed, my parents didn't cart my sorry ass around town unless the weather was really bad. I had a newspaper route, which for some reason has been deemed too dangerous for kids anymore. My parents let me walk the three blocks to the school playground as a young child without worry some nosy busybody would call the cops on them abandoning their kids. Oh .. wait .. my dad was a cop. We ate pizza and had milk shakes in the school cafeteria,. Yet, two years after I graduated from high school, a friends mom said I looked much better than that skinny kid I was in high school. Apparently, school lunches, soda, and sugary cereals don't make kids fat because most of my friends lived the same way.

      Soda is not causing our kids to get fat. Frosted Flakes are not causing our kids to get fat.

      Parents who don't encourage their kids to get off their asses and play outside are causing our kids to get fat. Parents who don't know how to cook and get carry-out every night are causing our kids to get fat. Parents who believe Kraft Mac and Cheese can be served several nights a week are making our kids fat. Parents who keep large supplies of soda and snacks around the house are making our kids fat.

      In general, parents are making our kids fat. And no one else, not even the schools, are responsible.

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    8. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Copid · · Score: 1

      I don't think that Coke is just pushing back against the idea that, say, corn syrup is particularly bad. They seem to be pushing back agains the idea that calorie intake is a big deal at all. Their groundbreaking scientific theory appears to be, "Sure, excess calories make you fat, but that doesn't mean it's your diet. Maybe you should just run a few extra miles a day so you can keep drinking your daily 3 liters of Coke!"

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    9. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'Let people decide' is something that some humans are ready for.
      The same can be said about live style choices other than sport and food. Drugs - we kill you or put you forever in prison because you wanted to smoke grass or what else. There are people that cannot be let alone - an colleague told me once over a beer that he cannot accept drugs being sold freely because then he would not know what to do, he even may be tempted. The same with prostitution or so called assisted suicide (UK just kept its ban on it). On the other hand I would really appreciate if certain things were clearly labelled, not sold to minors etc. I can understand for instance (even if I do not drink) that wine is labelled appropriately wrt where it is made and how its aging process was done, not because of the taste but because of basic honesty. Certain things are produced in an industrialized way with substances that surprise us all the time - yogurt that makes people to gluten sick because it contains the glue that does not belong there etc. Certain things need to be researched and guidance published and taught at school or else the joe sixpack will not know that feeding himself or his kids with ice for supper (it did seem to happen) is not good.
      At the end human gullibility and idiocy may mean that unless it is forbidden some will abuse it till they die and their love ones will then sue to have a warning 'hot' on each coffee cup. I guess the only way out of this is a nuclear holocaust (or alike treatment).

    10. Re:Manipulate people opinions by kheldan · · Score: 2

      $120MUSD is about one one-thousandth of the 2015 net worth of the Coca-Cola Corporation. They probably spend at least that much stocking toilet paper in their restrooms. They spent $3.3BUSD on advertising alone in 2013.

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    11. Re:Manipulate people opinions by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      Not if you start seeing research that says you can drink your coke as long as you exercise - forgetting to mention that you are better off not drinking coke regardless if you exercise.

    12. Re:Manipulate people opinions by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      "Parents who don't encourage their kids to get off their asses and play outside are causing our kids to get fat. "

      Actually no. The cause is too many calories. You can sit on your ass all day as long as you take in the necessary calories, anything more makes you fat.

    13. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not to update virus definitions.
      Not to install or use Ad Block Plus.
      Why do you avoid the criticism APK?

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    14. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coren22, do you use administrator priveleges in programs?

    15. Re:Manipulate people opinions by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Doesn't this all apply to cupcakes and candy and anything else you might eat in excessive quantities?

      (FTR, I don't drink soda and haven't for 7 or 8 years)

    16. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "as recent studies have shown that diet soda makes you fatter*** and puts you at increased risk of diabetes as it kills the good gut bacteria and boosts the bad, making the body less able to tolerate natural sugars."

      I'm sure since they are competent scientists they were able to attach numbers more specific than higher/lower before claiming they understand what is going on.

    17. Re:Manipulate people opinions by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Like caffeine?

    18. Re:Manipulate people opinions by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Wait, who is being forced to drink soda?

    19. Re:Manipulate people opinions by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. The cause is not enough exercise/work. You can eat as many calories as you want as long as you expend enough energy to compensate, anything less makes you fat.

      See how easy it is too justify the exact opposite. I can actually say that my version is more accurate to real life because you eventually reach a point where you are spending so much time expending energy that you cannot consume more calories and the system can reach equilibrium. You cannot go the other direction and expend so little energy that you can eat nothing. Besides, sitting on your ass all day and eating almost nothing will have its own consequences (poor circulation, bed sores, atrophied muscles, etc) whereas leading an active lifestyle generally prevents those problems.

      As for the rest of your post... yogurt makes people to gluten sick because it contains glue? WTF. Gluten is a naturally occurring protein found in many whole grains (whole grains are good for us, right?). It has nothing to do with glue.

      At the end, human gullibility and idiocy may mean that unless it is forbidden some will abuse it. Ah yes, the old "we know better and must protect the ignorant from themselves" routine. IOW, let's treat everyone as a slave lest they harm themselves.

    20. Re: Manipulate people opinions by JDevers · · Score: 1

      They may profit more off of a single unit, but they sell far fewer water units than soft drink units.

    21. Re:Manipulate people opinions by victorsosa · · Score: 1

      Yep, same point .

    22. Re:Manipulate people opinions by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      Actually, no. The cause is not enough exercise/work. You can eat as many calories as you want as long as you expend enough energy to compensate, anything less makes you fat.

      See how easy it is too justify the exact opposite. I can actually say that my version is more accurate to real life because you eventually reach a point where you are spending so much time expending energy that you cannot consume more calories and the system can reach equilibrium. You cannot go the other direction and expend so little energy that you can eat nothing. Besides, sitting on your ass all day and eating almost nothing will have its own consequences (poor circulation, bed sores, atrophied muscles, etc) whereas leading an active lifestyle generally prevents those problems.

      While your rhetoric is impeccable, the reality is that it is difficult to burn enough calories through exercise. (The may have been your point, but it is hard to tell.) If you want to lose weight, you have to eat less than you burn (which is the point the GP was trying to make in an abbreviated fashion.) I have been training in tae-kwon-do for about 30 years now, and the caloric burn for my weight is about 800/hour, which is pretty high up on this list. In spite of this, I found it far more effective for weight loss to simply reduce snacks and meals,, swap carbs for protein and fat, and reduce sugar than to try to add more workouts. You get a lot more weight loss for your time and willpower. I mean think about it - a couple of doughnuts, vs an hour's workout plus travel time? If you have a life outside of the gym, it's a no brainer.

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    23. Re:Manipulate people opinions by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I don't have studies immediately to hand (and am too lazy to go hunt 'em down this instant) but the reason "diet soda makes you fatter" is because aspartame is a thyroid inhibitor, so slows down your metabolism, and considering that being overweight is frequently caused by being borderline hypothyroid in the first place... it's likely to add to the problem more than would just consuming a sugared drink (which at least would temporarily satisfy the sugar craving that's also caused by low thyroid, so you don't go raid the cookie bin as well as drinking that diet soda).

      That's interesting about the ecigs tests, but yeah, just about anything can be made to fail interestingly if you run it far enough outside its normal parameters. What they did sound like someone testing home heating systems by disabling the thermostat so it never shuts off, then declaring that central heating causes house fires.

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  2. Heard this before by Virtucon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For years the tobacco industry did something along the same lines.
    It's the calories stupid.

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    1. Re:Heard this before by LesPeters · · Score: 5, Informative

      Specifically, it's the reaction the body has to the carbohydrates (sugar): spiking insulin levels, blocking the release of fat as a fuel source, and encouraging the body to store energy as fat.

    2. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For years the tobacco industry did something along the same lines. [nih.gov]

      So did the Gasoline industry. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetraethyllead#History_of_controversy_and_phase-out]

      It's the calories stupid.

      To some extent, however, like say, combustion engines, it is slightly more than that.

    3. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Specifically, it's the reaction the body has to the carbohydrates (sugar): spiking insulin levels, blocking the release of fat as a fuel source, and encouraging the body to store energy as fat.

      Bingo!

      I find it interesting that since the 1970s the government has been parroting the research done by Ancel Keys in the 1950s that states that a high carbohydrate low fat diet is what is needed to avoid heart disease, despite:
                          1- This advice being followed rarely results in weight loss, better handling of dislipidemia or the occurrence of type 2 diabetes.
                          2- The emergence of these three disorders in epidemic proportions since the adoption of the Ancel Keys paradigm by the government in the 1970s.

      At this point, the advice being given to people touched by obesity and diabetes is precisely upside down and backwards to what will actually help resolve the condition and serious health problems later on down the line.

      Easiest ways to avoid heart disease and diabetes and obesity are in order of effectiveness:

                  1- Consume less carbohydrates per day as percentage of total calories
                  2- Consume more saturated fats (which increase HDL cholesterol. the "Good" cholesterol)
                  3- Consume slightly less calories than you consume, whilst maintaining the percentages of lowered carbohydrate calories, increased fat calories and moderate protein calories. Less calories results in weight loss and less carbohydrates results in both the mobilization of stored body fat as an energy source and the lowering of blood triglycerides and LDL cholesterol numbers.
                4- The lessening of the need for insulin to maintain energy levels and stabilize blood sugar levels results in the lowering of inflammatory responses through out the body further reducing the risks for heart disease, stroke, arteriosclerosis and a laundry list of other statistically big killers (Various types of Cancer... etc)

      Strangely however doctors who recognize these 4 simple facts are in short supply. My doctor got onto me about my blood sugars being low and swore that I was going to end up with some form of dementia later on in life because of it and did not listen to the fact that I get most of my daily energy from fat calories in my "Ketogenic" diet, which there are mountains of evidence of this type of diet being neuro-protective and are widely used to slow down alzheimer . parkinson, epilepsy and other similar conditions. Ketogenisis is a very good explanation of the age old observation of people gaining a mental "Clarity" of an almost spiritual nature when fasting.. IE shifting from carbohydrate sources of cellular energy (of which the brain is a very large consumer) to lipid based sources of energy.. (such as Beta Hydroxy Buterate, Aceto-Acetone and Acetone.)

      I think it is a cultural paradigm and the type 2 diabetes and obesity epidemic is a direct result of it.

    4. Re:Heard this before by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's the calories stupid.

      In a Coke sponsored study, Coke Scientists concluded that calories don't make people fat. Marriage makes people fat. The Coke Scientists simply measured the waistlines of married and single people, and came to this obvious conclusion.

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    5. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think it is a cultural paradigm and the type 2 diabetes and obesity epidemic is a direct result of it.

      Like Coca Cola, it's one of the most stable parts of the economy so there's little incentive to really change anything related to the view that low-fat high carbohydrate (LFHC) is good. Health is not the concern of healthcare in the United States.

    6. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ding Ding Ding! When you place the responsibility of protecting the populations' health in the hands of a BUSINESS that is the outcome one would expect. As businesses exist to generate money for their owners, the last thing a healthcare business would want is a healthy population.

    7. Re:Heard this before by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Marriage makes people fat. The Coke Scientists simply measured the waistlines of married and single people, and came to this obvious conclusion.

      What about fat people who aren't married?

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    8. Re:Heard this before by master_kaos · · Score: 2

      Not it really isnt. It is ALL about the calories. Nothing else matters except for rare medical conditions

    9. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's just the mechanism by which calories in the form of carbohydrates cause obesity. Similar mechanisms exist for calories in the form of fat, or calories in the form of protein.

      Just tell people it's the calories. If you start emphasising particular ways they can get the calories, like carbohydrates, they'll go off on silly fads like stuffing their face with fat and protein and thinking it's fine, since they're avoiding carbs.

    10. Re:Heard this before by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      For losing or gaining weight yes, for losing or gaining fat or lean body mass no.

    11. Re:Heard this before by umghhh · · Score: 1

      you try to fight the fad brother/sister - that is not appreciated by fad squad and sliver bullet brigade.
      We found /whatever/ to be single and massive cause of this /grave problem/. By applying /this great and simple solution/ we can get rid of the problem. Let us use all force of law to make it happen and make a back on it.

    12. Re:Heard this before by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      They probably drink too much Coke.

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    13. Re:Heard this before by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't born when the smoking controversy occurred.

      But I really wonder about the attitude of society in general towards such products.

      Does the average person know that coke is filled with calories that can make your fat? I'd adventure to say of course. This is doubly true for anyone bothering to read health studies.

      I'd love to venture back in time and see if people who were smoking actually thought it wasn't harmful. I'm not saying if they knew it caused a specific cancer or something, but that they were doing something pretty harmful to their body.

    14. Re:Heard this before by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      My father, who's 87, has smoked since he was 12. He started rolling his own and smoked Camels, sometimes two packs a day. Yeah he's one of those data points that contradict what we're being told and know but there he is still. There are things that are bad for us in the environment, it's just that the "evidence" points in different directions. Science is done, counter science or spin is done and in general the population is confused. I don't want to throw gasoline on a fire but look at climate change for how spin and one study after another gets convoluted into a big furball. For decades the Tobacco Industry did its best to deflect suspicion away from the fact that smoking causes health issues, all on graduating scales up to including death. With all of the hoopla around obesity and health issues associated with that this is now the next frontier. I suspect you'll see Frito-Lay, Pepsi and all the junk food cadre get together and start putting funding out there for their own spin. Don't believe me? Look at all the commercials and press that are generated every time a tax is proposed on soft drinks.

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    15. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Consume slightly less calories than you consume"

      Your step three is impossible.

    16. Re:Heard this before by HiThere · · Score: 1

      IIUC, while the calories are bad, fructose is specific in increasing the storage of fat and susceptibility to high blood pressure, diabetes, gout, etc. via several channels including degradation into uric acid. (See this month's Scientific American.)

      IOW, fructose is much worse at the same level of calories than sucrose. (To be honest, this last deduction is an extrapolation from the article, not something explicitly stated.)

      Experiments with rats have shown that a diet that would otherwise lead to high blood pressure can be ameliorated if you reduce the amount of uric acid in the blood stream. (Alopurinol is supposed to be specific for that, but some people have an adverse reaction to it. [It's also used to treat gout, and my wife has an adverse reaction.])

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    17. Re:Heard this before by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Specifically, it's the reaction the body has to the carbohydrates (sugar): spiking insulin levels, blocking the release of fat as a fuel source, and encouraging the body to store energy as fat.

      Or not

      The carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis of obesity states that carbohydrates (particularly refined carbohydrates and sugar) are the primary cause of obesity due to their ability to increase circulating insulin, and that the solution to obesity is to restrict carbohydrate intake. Numerous studies have tested this hypothesis, more or less directly, in animals and humans. Despite the fact that many of these studies undermine the hypothesis, it remains extremely popular, both in the popular media and to a lesser extent among researchers.

      But why believe decades of peer reviewed research when a science journalist like Gary Taubes writes a book with a bunch of misrepresented cherry-picked data? (True there's a few researchers who go along to varying extents as well, but they're not the consensus)

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    18. Re:Heard this before by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      My father, who's 87, has smoked since he was 12. He started rolling his own and smoked Camels, sometimes two packs a day. Yeah he's one of those data points that contradict what we're being told and know but there he is still.

      A friend has done research on this. The latest indicates that your father likely has really, really good genes that have done a great job of protecting him from the ill effects... but that he'd still be better off if he hadn't smoked at all.

      And yeah, I'm waiting for the Cheeto Man ads. Pictures of attractive, skinny women eating big juicy burgers come close, though.

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    19. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does seem to be the case. Earlier this week I saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y very interesting, very good speaker.

    20. Re:Heard this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But why believe decades of peer reviewed research when a science journalist like Gary Taubes writes a book with a bunch of misrepresented cherry-picked data? (True there's a few researchers who go along to varying extents as well, but they're not the consensus)

      Because it works.

      Try it.

      I've been living on bacon and butter for several years now. I have the body of a super hero.

      Also.., as per your question about trusting peer reviewed research...

      Read the parent article for a clue.

    21. Re:Heard this before by quantaman · · Score: 1

      But why believe decades of peer reviewed research when a science journalist like Gary Taubes writes a book with a bunch of misrepresented cherry-picked data? (True there's a few researchers who go along to varying extents as well, but they're not the consensus)

      Because it works.

      Try it.

      I've been living on bacon and butter for several years now. I have the body of a super hero.

      I'm not questioning the effectiveness of low-carb, I'm questioning the proposed mechanisms and the implications. As for you there's lots of skinny people with very diverse diets.

      Also.., as per your question about trusting peer reviewed research...

      Read the parent article for a clue.

      So coke possibly trying to influence nutrition research means that other research that does nothing to help coke is suspect?

      While a journalist who's now a rock star because of his contrarian views on diet has absolutely no motive to skew the results.

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  3. As opposed to the alternative by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 1

    And if you had found out: "Despite selling its products to literally billions of people across the globe (and making billions of dollars by doing so), Coca-Cola does not actively fund any analysis or research into the long-term health effects of its products or their ingredients, or assist in any community efforts to deal with potential negative consequences of using its products", would you be somehow less-alarmed? Personally, I'd find that to be a whole lot worse. Like, "reckless disregard for the well-being of its customers" worse.

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  4. Coke and Health? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Oh, the irony!

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    1. Re:Coke and Health? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are the largest donor to Emory University by a good margin and Emory actually owns the land the CDC is on.

  5. Changes nothing by ramriot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It does not matter how much they spend on neutral research for general healthcare, they spent money on 'targeted research' (I won't call it science) to the benefit of their own business interests.

    1. Re: Changes nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^THIS

    2. Re:Changes nothing by ledow · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but I blame the "scientists" that do this more than the companies that fund this.

      You're not a scientist if you answer only favours the highest bidder.

    3. Re: Changes nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In this modern world, can you blame ANYONE for accepting a less-than-scientifically-pure research project if it meant nice steady work at steady pay? Doesn't mean you agree with the study, you just get paid to do it.

    4. Re:Changes nothing by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      What if there are no other bidders other than financially interested parties?

      What then?

      See above for whether or not sodium benzoate causes cancer.

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    5. Re:Changes nothing by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Public funding for science has been a low priority. University survival is dependent on keeping up with the Jones' on the publishing circuit. Your career is dependent on running around hat-in-hand looking for grants to keep the studies and papers going out the door, and to keep your grad students occupied.

      In this climate a scientist would be a fool to turn away funding from all but the shadiest benefactors.

  6. $120m is chump change. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet they spent at least that much lobbying and I bet most of the "research" they funded conviniently paints Coke is a flattering light,

  7. Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by crunchy_one · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keep in mind that the Coca-Cola company had a gross profit of $28,010,000,000.00 for fiscal year 2015 with a profit margin of 66%. $120,000,000.00 in grants amounts to .042% of their gross. For them, this is cheap window dressing. Do no mistake this for good corporate citizenship.

    1. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by crunchy_one · · Score: 1

      I'm not quite awake yet, I meant to type .042% of their gross profit.

    2. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      $28,010,000,000.00 for fiscal year 2015 with a profit margin of 66%. $120,000,000.00 in grants amounts to .042% of their gross.

      Keep trying. $120m/$28,010m = ~.00428 = .428%. Need to move that decimal place over one more position.

    3. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by crunchy_one · · Score: 1
      Yup. I got the fiscal year wrong, too. Should be 2014. Just had my first coffee of the day and now I see clearly...

      Factoring out my sleepy brain, the fact remains that Coca-cola Co. is sleazy.

    4. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK great, use "gross" instead of "net," which is arguably the more important figure, to make Coca-Cola look worse. Great job, you're obviously not biased at all.

    5. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 1

      Have a Coke.

      Even assuming the Coke grants come without any strings attached, I feel this is more like spreading deodorant to cover up the stink. If continues to market products known to be harmful to health, then all the good it does elsewhere comes to naught.

    6. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      How does what Coke invests in "health research" compare to other major corporations? How much does Apple sponsor research into RF radiation concerns? How much does Dell or HP contribute to carpel tunnel or repetitive stress injury treatment? Does McDonalds or Taco Bell or as a apples-to-apples comparison, PepsiCo sponsor research?

    7. Re:Very, very sad, Coca-Cola by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. If I had a company with such wide profit margins, I'd pay everybody in country a little dividend every few years.

  8. Oh it's worse by popo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sodium benzoate causes cancer. They knew about it for years. When it looked like the whole story was about to break, they *silently* pull it and replace it with potassium benzoate.

    Does that cause cancer? The jury's still out, but the signs aren't good.

    Bottom line is, there's little doubt that KO pumped Americans full of carcinogens for decades. And the "new" alternative is highly suspect.

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    1. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting then, that the entire coke drinking population isn't dead or dying.

    2. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Idiotic comment

    3. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Interesting then, that the entire coke drinking population isn't dead or dying.

      Of course they are! Literally every person that drank even one can of Coke has died, or will die.

    4. Re:Oh it's worse by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Bottom line is, there's little doubt that KO pumped Americans full of carcinogens for decades.

      Yet somehow, life expectancy continues to rise...

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    5. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cancer diagnosis has quadrupled in the last 40 years.

      Now, I know there's no proof that this is coke related, but I think there's enough evidence that the last half century has ushered in an age of mass health complications for those of us who are data-inclined to say that you were a little glib and premature in firing your mouth off like that.

    6. Re:Oh it's worse by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      Sodium benzoate causes cancer. They knew about it for years. When it looked like the whole story was about to break, they *silently* pull it and replace it with potassium benzoate.

      Does that cause cancer? The jury's still out, but the signs aren't good.

      Bottom line is, there's little doubt that KO pumped Americans full of carcinogens for decades. And the "new" alternative is highly suspect.

      Sodium benzoate is not a carcinogen, either as the sodium salt or as the acid.

      It is possible for the benzoate ion to react with vitamin C to form benzene (which is a carcinogen), but which is present in such low concentrations that there's really no solid science to state that "coke is a carcinogen" (since many sodas also contain vitamin C). When beverages were tested, coke changed the recipe for anything that caused a positive test over a few ppb. Of course, this is a nefarious scheme because they didn't yell about it.

      I get it: big corporations don't ever do anything in the best interests of anyone but themselves and everything is a grand conspiracy.

    7. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not an increase in the numer of years a healthy person can live, that's an aggregate rise in average life span due to the effects of eliminating morbidity associated with chronic conditions. I.e., we are getting better at keeping sick and injured people alive longer.

    8. Re:Oh it's worse by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      This is completely incorrect. Sodium Benzoate does NOT cause cancer. However, when mixed with Ascorbic acid (vitamin C), it can form benzene, which is a carcinogen. And Potassium Benzoate can also form benzene in the presence of Ascorbic acid.

    9. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life span hasn't risen at all, just average number of years lived. Give it a couple decades and that will fall off.

    10. Re:Oh it's worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in the 1920s 1/4 infants died before 1 year old. That skews life expectancy and makes many comparisons people try to do nonsensical. You have to look at age specific mortality rates

    11. Re:Oh it's worse by HiThere · · Score: 1

      FWIW, I'm nearly certain that Coke(tm) has some affect on the rise of cancer levels, and I doubt that it's slowing it. That said, it certainly isn't the only factor. And aging population is one clear factor, as is more frequent diagnosis of early cancers.

      The question is "How significant an effect?". AFAIK, information isn't available to answer that question, but it seems clear that they have been acting to increase their significance in that field.

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  9. Industrial Partnerships and Matched Funding by Lust · · Score: 1

    With public sponsorship of research dwindling, many governments are forcing researchers to seek industrial partnerships and to work towards commercialization rather than basic science only. Researchers in fields like food and diet must often partner with producers, so as long as they declare all funding sources I don't have a problem with it. The alternative is to increase public funding of research, but that would cut into leader's pet projects...

    1. Re:Industrial Partnerships and Matched Funding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > With public sponsorship of research dwindling, many governments are forcing researchers to seek industrial partnerships and to work towards commercialization rather than basic science only.

      So it's working as designed?

  10. What is the cost of Coca-Cola? by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

    So, what is the cost of the public's consumption of Coca-Cola? I've got to believe that the cost in ulcers and diabetes alone is more than $120M/yr.

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    1. Re:What is the cost of Coca-Cola? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Type II diabetes is highly expected to be the biggest killer in the coming years according to the medical field, and government studies in the US and Europe. The costs to the health providers is said to be in the billions per year. So that's your US health insurance premiums rising even further, and less money in the NHS for those in the UK. Think you have long wait times now? Just wait and see what happens in ten years time.

      Cola is not the singular reason, and shouldn't be treated as such. The entire processed food industry's anti-fat reaction is a large part of the problem. People are not going to stop buying processed sugar laden food, it's too cheap. If you want healthy masses, fresh produce needs to be much cheaper. A soda can here and there makes no different, but the same corporation pushing healthy energy drinks now being consumed like an hourly coffee, clearly is.

    2. Re:What is the cost of Coca-Cola? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you want healthy masses, fresh produce needs to be much cheaper.

      Our current mainstream food system is not capable of delivering cheaper fresh produce, because it depends on it being produced in centralized locations so that it will fit into the distribution system. What is needed is a return not just to distributed food production, but also seasonal food consumption. This whole idea that you should have vegetables out-of-season year-round and nation-wide is unsustainable and also requires that we produce less-desirable vegetables because they travel well.

      Americans are so stupid that if the produce shelves aren't completely packed, they think something must be wrong with what's there, and they'll shop at a different store. What we need to fix is American stupidity.

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    3. Re:What is the cost of Coca-Cola? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Cola is not the singular reason, and shouldn't be treated as such.

      No, but beverages really are the worst place you can cram a whole bunch of sugar, because your body takes it up most rapidly when you do that. The only way to get it into your bloodstream faster is via IV.

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    4. Re:What is the cost of Coca-Cola? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Remember too much white bread, wheat bread, cake, rice, oatmeal, and so forth will also cause diabeetus. So will generally getting fat.

      I've become more active lately, just slightly. I walk for 15-30 minutes per day to clear my head, while others are smoking. This has pushed my metabolism up so much that I eat 1000kcal Popeye's chicken dinners (the biscuit is diabeetus), 780kcal McDonalds breakfast, a fucking Whopper for dinner, and still had to add Sprite or Dr. Pepper back into my diet in 40oz quantities to not come 1500kcal under. I trust my FitBit because I'm actually losing and gaining weight--I'm losing fat, but can't seem to lose *weight* because of the balance of muscle tissue developing. Still, my pants don't feel like a man-corset anymore.

      Yesterday I came 400kcal under. According to MyFitnessPal, besides an Arby's 800kcal turkey sandwich and a McDonalds double cheeseburger--the McDonald's cheeseburger was actually better balanced in macronutrients, which is insane--I had a McFlurry, Chobani yogurt, tasty cakes, a bottle of pepsi, and a can of pepsi, and came away with 120kcal free. Fitbit says I came away with 2807kcal used that day, 2437 consumed. I work in the basement and had coworkers on the 3rd floor needing my attention, so I was up and down stairs a few times; I also live on the second floor of my house, while kitchen is first floor and utilities are basement. I totaled 40 stairs traversed (33, really, but I burned almost 2 minutes making a few additional trips just to raise the numbers), plus a half hour walk outside around the lake.

      The closest I come to "hitting the gym" is the two 15-minute walks I take, and the occasional 4-6 climbs up a flight of stairs just to tick the numbers up (which, of course, takes all of 15 seconds each floor). I make it up to the top floor by stairs faster than my coworkers make in the elevator, and I pass them while they're boarding.

      The big problems show up when I eat sushi and edamame for lunch. 350kcal for a single meal, with a breakfast sandwich (Thomas english muffin, gouda cheese, shiitake, bacon, egg) at 400kcal, and I've gotten two meals in at 750kcal. Even a Subway 12-inch Italian with mayo and olive oil is only 1100kcal; and I burn 2400kcal on a sedentary day, since I still have to go up and down stairs at least 12 times just to get my hands on food, water, and the piano. If I do any laundry, dishes, yard work, or go walking over to coworkers's cubicles, I'm up in the 2600 range. The lowest I've been is 2200, and I slept 18 hours that day.

      It's easy for me to pound 4 bottles of soda, two 58oz drink cups, fast food OJ (like 4x the sugar of fresh squeezed OJ) and starch (hash browns, french fries), and so forth and add an extra 1500-2500 calories to my diet, taking in 4500 and burning 2000-2200. If you dodge french fries and get out of the habit of eating 14-inch hoagies, you start having trouble keeping your calorie count up.

  11. Not our fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must have missed it in the article... when did Coke start force-feeding us its products?

    1. Re:Not our fault. by MagickalMyst · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Decades ago, indirectly, with the advent of subliminal advertising.

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    2. Re:Not our fault. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      It's in the same paragraph where we're advised that embattled multinational companies need AC White Knights to come to their rescue straight away, of course.

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    3. Re:Not our fault. by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      With great power comes great responsibility. Drug dealers never force people to swallow, inject, or light up either.

      Food companies use an amazing array of tools to win. Coke is "Low Fat!", bacon in "Low Carb!"; advertising twists the latest health headlines to make bad food less obviously so. Recipes are tweaked to hit your bliss point, making it extremely easy to just keep grabbing one more chip or sip while not making you feel full at all. So those without a pretty strong spine end up like a rat at the feeder bar, blissful but never quite satisfied.

      These same companies thwart efforts to pass new health standards that might preclude their products.

      When companies the size of Coke throw their weight around, they need to be held responsible for the negative outcomes that result.

    4. Re:Not our fault. by codeAlDente · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that bacon is bad food?

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  12. Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by dr.Flake · · Score: 5, Informative

    Of course Coca Cola is the personification of "evil big food" and they will do whatever it takes to keep making money as water running from the tap. Its amazing how much money one can make from selling flavoured sugar water plus some advertising.

    But the negative effects of increased sugar intake is nothing new. For several years the anti-fructose movement has been making noise and has been showing increasing insight is the underlying mechanisms. Famous example spokesperson of this movement is Dr Lustig, and googling his name alone gives a boatload of references.

    But where is the response from society (not from some smart commercial brands), where is the education in schools, in children's TV programs, in popular scientific programs, in journals being read by large percentages of the population. And when will we start listening to this??!!

    We still buy all this processed junk, with the bright coloured labels promising everything and being "fat free". We as a society have to immediately start buying other food products. More "real" unprocessed foods, and please leave those products with added sugar packaged in plastic in the store. Spend more time buying, cooking, eating and ENJOYING this food.

    The industry will make whatever we buy. Self regulation from their side is an illusion.

    So WE need to change.

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    1. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      For several years the anti-fructose movement has been making noise and has been showing increasing insight is the underlying mechanisms. Famous example spokesperson of this movement is Dr Lustig, and googling his name alone gives a boatload of references.

      An MD claiming a single chemical is mostly responsible for obesity? BS detector starts ticking up...

      https://www.sciencebasedmedici...
      http://blogs.scientificamerica...

      BS readings confirmed.

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    2. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      So WE need to change.

      And there's the rub. The average person will generally tend to be about as lazy as they can get away with and there are a lot of other problems on top of this. There are some people working multiple jobs and don't have the time to spend a lot of their day preparing their own meals in lieu of something else and the quick microwave dinner makes it easy for them to spend what time they do have on other pursuits. Then there are the people that live in the so-called food desserts where you can't easily acquire anything healthy, never mind those who couldn't afford the higher quality food over the processed meal in a box.

      Nutrition is one of many problems we have in this country, and fixing it would in turn lead to easier fixes for other problems, but it's by no means at the root and in some cases other factors prevent us from making improvements in this regard. I think working to eliminate or minimize poverty would go a long way to fixing most of the other problems that we face as a society.

    3. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

      "We still buy all this processed junk, with the bright coloured labels promising everything and being "fat free". We as a society have to immediately start buying other food products" Good luck with that. Where do you go to buy it? My local grocery stores shelves are about 99% "processed junk" with high fructose corn syrup under 30 different names embedded in damn near everything. Sure, you can put a ton of effort into it and spend more to get 'organic' or whatever but selection is massively limited.

    4. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly didn't read that second link all the way through, egg meet face.

    5. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spend more time buying, cooking, eating and ENJOYING this food.

      But what if I think this is a waste of time?

      I wish I could buy ready made food that is healthy.

      I don't want to cook, manage an inventory of fresh produce and raw ingredients. I don't enjoy it, it's a chore. It's a waste of time. I would rather do something else, anything else. Again that's my personal opinion.

      What then? I'm fucked?

    6. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by dr.Flake · · Score: 2

      For several years the anti-fructose movement has been making noise and has been showing increasing insight is the underlying mechanisms. Famous example spokesperson of this movement is Dr Lustig, and googling his name alone gives a boatload of references.

      An MD claiming a single chemical is mostly responsible for obesity? BS detector starts ticking up...

      https://www.sciencebasedmedici...
      http://blogs.scientificamerica...

      BS readings confirmed.

      No,

      wrong way around.

      His idea:
      Fructose is causing metabolic syndrome and partly responsible for weight gain by sabotaging leptin response.
      He claims obesity isn't the problem. People don't die from fat, they die from metabolic syndrome.

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    7. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by dr.Flake · · Score: 3, Informative

      31 Healthy Meals You Can Make in 10 Minutes or Less:

        http://greatist.com/eat/10-min...

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    8. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by master_kaos · · Score: 1

      You can buy ready made food that is healthy. Ever been to a grocery store that has ready made rotisserie chicken and a salad or olive bar? You can take that rotisserie chicken, break it down, and make tons of different meals with it

    9. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by dr.Flake · · Score: 1

      If you don't buy the other stuff, they will not make extra variants for you. Chicken Egg problem. Unfortunately the other party will never change unless you do.

      So, for tonight:
      Couscous, courgette, sun dried tomatoes, olives, feta, onion, paprika, small portion of ground meat, spices. 10 minutes tops.

      Tomorrow:
      Whole wheat pasta (penne), salmon (if necessary from tin, tastes worse) sweet anise, sour cream, onion, olive oil, peppers. The pasta takes 10 minutes, so i guess 15 min max.

      This sunday im making pumpkin soup. lots of onion, garlic, Indonesian spices, tomatoes (from a can, i admit, sorry). some sour cream, some cheese. servers like 10 portions, so we'll eat 2-3 times from this pot the coming week. Takes a bit more time, but saves me a lot of time later on. Serve with some bread and tappenade.

      I can go on for quite a while like this.

      You need some stuff fresh, say weekly groceries, the rest is all storage cabinet.

      We all work hard, and don't take our time to cook and even more taking too little time to really enjoy our food.
      Come on, make a real meal, use a smaller plate, sit down at the table, not the telly, open up a bottle of wine, but drink only 1 glass together with the wife. Enjoy your meal.

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    10. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by dr.Flake · · Score: 1

      I'm enjoying a sugary caffeinated beverage right now. And you shouldn't have any right to tell me I can't. If you think otherwise, FOADIAF.

      Dude,

      You so need to think of your bloodpressure!

      I'm guessing there is also caffeine in that drink, am i right?

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    11. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      10 minutes to cook. You still need to buy a wider range of products, clean and cut a wide range of vegetables, learn how to store them all properly and have the room to, buy food more often since real food doesn't keep as long, and there's more dishes to clean afterwards. I've never seen an honest 'healthy meals in XX minutes' article and they ignore the higher costs. Organic cucumbers cost $1.69 each and normal cucumbers cost $0.50 each at my grocery store. Everyone recommends buying organic if you're not going to peel them.

      Eating crappy food is far, far easier and cheaper and it's designed to make you want it (bliss point).

    12. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      A certain proportion of the population seems to be unable to control themselves. Whether it be tobacco, sugar, alcohol, fat or some other substance that isn't good for you in large quantities. This is where they make their money. The majority alcohol is bought by heavy drinkers. I would imagine that the same is true for products like Coke. I know some people who drink 6 cans a day of Coke. I'll buy a 12 pack and it will last me a couple months. You aren't going to convince the people who are consuming massive amounts of this stuff to all of a sudden stop consuming it. Maybe a few people will see the light, but a lot of people will never stop. I think the only way is to get people before they start. It's going to take generations of change for the problem to go away.

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    13. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You might read this month's Scientific American. There's an article in it about the evolution of the "lazy gene" which specifically points the finger at fructose, and points out a similar adaption in most primates, which suggests that the adaptation occurred quite awhile back. A few references to paleontology and suggestive fossils. A specific metabolic pathway. A suggestion that eating meat reinforces the effect of a diet high in fructose. Some associated effects (gout, high blood pressure, etc.). Some experiments on rats to validate the hypothesis.

      Quite interesting. And it points a finger directly at fructose, combined with a story about why it used to be adaptive.

      I'm not totally convinced, but it's a pretty compelling picture. But do note that this is a fairly new study, and not yet totally mainstream. So don't throw too many bricks at those who don't yet accept its implications.

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    14. Re:Society as a whole moves like an oiltanker by JBMcB · · Score: 1

      No,

      wrong way around.

      His idea:
      Fructose is causing metabolic syndrome and partly responsible for weight gain by sabotaging leptin response.

      Right - that's his idea. Hasn't been proven by any studies, though.

      There was one study that showed some correlation but, IIRC, it was poorly done and not replicable.

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  13. What I don't understand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what I really don't understand...

    is how, with Coca Cola's flavo(u)r changing so little over the years, nobody seems to have reverse engineered a clone that actually tastes like Coca Cola.

    There are a good dozen colas on the shelves. There are colas way better than Coca Cola, e.g. Fentiman's, but they are so fucking expensive; there are those that are "the same but different", e.g. Pepsi, meaning you either prefer Pepsi or you don't; and each supermarket has its own brand(s) which taste slightly different than the next but all fairly cheap, right down to some "value cola"s which taste not unlike rancid sugar and tar.

    Why has no collaboration been able to come forward and produce a competitor which mimics C-C but which doesn't feel the need to rake in $28 billion before tax?

    1. Re:What I don't understand... by Notorious+G · · Score: 1

      "...what I really don't understand... is how, with Coca Cola's flavo(u)r changing so little over the years, nobody seems to have reverse engineered a clone that actually tastes like Coca Cola." I think they have, lawyers keep those clones off shelves.

  14. That would have been a nice down payment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the $3.3 billion in back taxes Coca-Cola owes the American public...

  15. Don't forget Coke contribution to space research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Coke-Sponsored Rover Finds Evidence Of Dasani On Mars "

    http://www.theonion.com/article/coke-sponsored-rover-finds-evidence-of-dasani-on-m-1146

  16. Drink this and thank me later: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    OK, I'm going to help you guys out. Give you something healthy, delicious and refreshing to drink that won't make you fat, ruin your teeth or cause you to grow a tumor the size of a pillbox hat on your head. Stay with me.

    1) Get a soda stream. They're cheap now, and I found mine at a garage sale. Staples, Target and others still sell the CO2 tanks, and if you're clever you can figure out how to get your own refilled on the cheap.

    2) When you make the soda, just leave it as plain carbonated water and stick it in the fridge. By the way, you can "overcharge" soda with a SodaStream so that the carbonation levels are much higher than regular pop. This is what I do because I like that carbonated "burn" you get. The SodaStream bottles have special caps so that the carbonation doesn't escape, so you can always have some good fizzy water at the ready when you want it.

    3) Brew up some green tea with a good amount of ginger. It can also be fruit-flavored for a little sweetness. When my wife makes jam, I save some of the fruit juice left over and put that in, too. Make the tea STRONG because it's gonna be your flavoring syrup for the drink you're making.

    4) Now this is the kicker: When the tea cools, shake some cayenne pepper on it and stir it in. This you have to do by taste because people tolerate different levels of hot. I know it sounds weird, but trust me. You gotta add the cayenne pepper to the flavoring mix (although one of my friends waits until after he's mixed the flavoring with the soda water to sprinkle the cayenne pepper, because he thinks he's a bad-ass, but really he ain't shit. I could totally kick his ass if I were 15 years younger. He also puts a little ginseng in the tea, but I don't do that because I don't have any trouble in that area, if you get my drift.

    5. When you're ready for a great drink, pour a nice glass of the soda water, and then pour a little of the tea/ginger/fruitjuice/cayenne pepper mix in and stir. It'll foam up a bit creating a nice little "head" in the glass. The flavoring mixture stores very well in the fridge, just shake it up when you're ready to add it to the soda water.

    I'm telling you, this stuff is like ginger ale with a hard-on. It's like Dr Pepper, if Dr Pepper were played by Peter Capaldi. You can drink it all day and it won't make you fat, and the ginger and cayenne pepper are healthy as hell. You'll doubt me, but hand-to-god, when I drink this stuff my sinus allergies get better. It's good for digestion and it will save you a ton of money over store-bought soda pop. I mean hundreds of dollars over the course of a year.

    Fuck Coke.

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    1. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome! Thank you for that.

    2. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      These days I drink maybe 10 soft drinks a year, but between it sounding a lot like ginger beer (real Aussie ginger beer, not the watery Jamaican stuff) and ESPECIALLY the bit about the sinuses (highly relevant to me today), you've just about sold me on it already.

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    3. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by Crowd+Computing · · Score: 1

      I'll take tap water anytime over Coke, although in some places, I'd pick the bottled variety.

    4. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

      nice story, bro

    5. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for those of us who don't like our drinks spicy, don't like ginger ale, and don't like Dr. Pepper. But, rather, like the taste of Coke?

    6. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And for those of us who don't like our drinks spicy, don't like ginger ale, and don't like Dr. Pepper. But, rather, like the taste of Coke?

      Then learn to do yoga so you can bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.

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    7. Re:Drink this and thank me later: by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Blenheim is like drinking fire and broken glass. It's brewed in South Carolina. It has an assload of sugar to make it palatable.

  17. Fix stupidity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > What we need to fix is American stupidity.

    Other side of the pond here. Same stupidity (granted, details and accents vary a bit, perhaps multinationals are a tad less powerful; fixing that with TTIP).

    The problem is: given the stupid food we are fed -- how are we supposed to get rid of said stupidity?

  18. Coke is good! by unixcorn · · Score: 1

    I am 53 and obese. Think Cartman from South Park large. I didn't get this way from drinking Coke and eating donuts. I got my excess weight from overeating and drinking lots of beer. I do enjoy a Coke now and then. While not a cure, it always helps a hangover. My point is, I don't care if Coke is good or bad for me because I only drink it once every couple of months when I feel like it. This obsession with demonizing anything that could possibly be bad for us is crazy. Do people abuse Coke, sure, just like I used to abuse beer. But that's their problem. Anyone who is dumb enough to not take a close look at what they put in their mouths deserves whatever comes their way, me included. By the way, I am eating healthy now, working out and I have all but stopped drinking beer. Leaving the beer alone was tough but I feel so much better.

    1. Re:Coke is good! by coofercat · · Score: 1

      I'm inclined to agree until coke/beer/doughnut/pie abusers get diabetes (or in fact any other weight/health related issue). Then on it does become my problem because I pay taxes which go in part to fund our national health service. Thus, if people could avoid abusing foods, they'd avoid the health issues and would thus avoid overburdening the NHS and thus save me some tax.

      Assuming you're an american, you're probably thinking this doesn't apply to you - but it does. There are no poor and impoverished health insurance companies. They only get rich by extracting money from their customers and by not paying it out when those customers claim. The more people have completely avoidable health problems, the more money they need to extract from their customers.

      That said, I too enjoy the odd (diet/zero) coke. You know it's gotta be bad for you when it cures a hangover ;-)

  19. Old old wisdom by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    The Romans used to say 'Where the teeth go, the bones follow'

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    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  20. Coke is great! by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    I've used it to clean rust of metal. I thought it was a myth until I tried it and it work much better than I had expected. It's also a great grease remover! As for drinking it, blech - I can't understand how people can drink all this sugary shit and wonder why their health is slowly deteriorating.

    It's just another negative externality from the corporate pirates raiding society of all it's value.

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    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
    1. Re:Coke is great! by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I've used it to clean rust of metal. I thought it was a myth until I tried it and it work much better than I had expected. It's also a great grease remover!
      As for drinking it, blech - I can't understand how people can drink all this sugary shit and wonder why their health is slowly deteriorating.

      It's just another negative externality from the corporate pirates raiding society of all it's value.

      Well of course - it's acidic.

      Other things that will clean rust off metal: freshly squeezed orange juice, vinegar, tomato ketchup.

    2. Re:Coke is great! by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I've used it to clean rust of metal. I thought it was a myth until I tried it and it work much better than I had expected. It's also a great grease remover!

      Well of course - it's acidic.

      Other things that will clean rust off metal: freshly squeezed orange juice, vinegar, tomato ketchup.

      I soaked some pretty rusty suspension towers in coke and got great results. I have tried vinegar and it wasn't as effective. The pulp in the orange juice made the (smaller) sample part quite messy and it also wasn't as effective. I had high hopes for the tomato sauce (because I could smear it on and use less) however it evaporated too much and became gunk on the part.

      Coke however was pretty much perfect and it washed right off. It's phosphoric acid, from my understanding however I think it is the carbonated nature of the drink that keeps things moving perhaps creating a larger surface area. The rust turns into a black sludge.

      I noticed that ants did not go for the coke at all - which pretty much says it all.

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      My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  21. Misleading Summary by neonv · · Score: 1

    The summary misrepresents the article. Coke disclosed the list to offset the idea that they were funding research to downplay obesity and Coke links.

    The list was released after the company’s chief executive, Muhtar Kent, promised to be transparent about its partnerships and support for scientific research related to obesity. The move was prompted by criticism that the company has used its vast resources to play down the role of Coke products in the spread of obesity ...

    Nowhere in the summary does it say that all the research it funded supported a specific conclusion. Rather, just it implies the opposite, that Coke funded everyone.

    “What I find most remarkable about this list is its length and comprehensiveness,” said Dr. Nestle, author of the book “Soda Politics.” “No organization, no matter how small, goes unfunded. Any scientist or dietitian who is willing to take Coca-Cola funding gets it.”

    The only problem with this list is the conflict of interest in taking funding from a beverage company to study the effects of the beverage in diets.

    Whoever wrote the summary, please read the article carefully!!

    1. Re:Misleading Summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you really going to trust Dr *Nestle* ?

  22. Coke and a smile after you see the dentist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But really I drink coke I favor coke above all others.
    I am responsible. if I get fat as I dont exercise ever sense discharge from the Army I had enough to suit me.
    Moderation.
    To help with that mix 2 shots of 151 rum with 12 oz.

  23. Damned if you do, damned if you don't by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm alarmed at the growing tendency for people to jump to conclusions on topics/conspiracy theories with popular support. Coke making donations to and providing grants for medical research companies, or even directly funding research into sugared beverages and obesity is not in and of itself evidence that they're trying to manipulate the research. If it is, you put Coke in an impossible damned if you do, damned if you don't position. If they do make the donations, you criticize them for trying to manipulate research results in their favor. If they don't make the donations, you criticize them for being greedy corporate bastards who won't even donate to scientific research relevant to their product.

    The donations themselves are not evidence that Coke has been trying to manipulate research results. If you want to support that hypothesis, you need to come up with specific incidents where Coke made the donations conditional on withholding or changing research results unfavorable to their product.

    Just because a majority of people want to believe this theory doesn't free you from the logical and ethical obligation to actually prove the claim. The person advocating the hypothesis always has the burden of proof.

    1. Re:Damned if you do, damned if you don't by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      Apparently you aren't familiar with the latest ad campaign by Coke that says you can drink as much choke as you want as long as you exercise and that exercise is more important than calories intake. I guess you missed that.

  24. MOD PARENT DOWN, IT'S FALSE by pastafazou · · Score: 1

    Sodium Benzoate is NOT a carcinogen as claimed by popo, and as pointed out in several replies.

  25. Lets hear how great peer review and the by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    integrity of the scientific community is now.