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Mozilla Fixed a 14-Year-Old Bug In Firefox, Now Adblock Plus Uses Less Memory

An anonymous reader writes: Mozilla launched Firefox 41 yesterday. Today, Adblock Plus confirmed the update "massively improves" the memory usage of its Firefox add-on. This particular memory issue was brought up in May 2014 by Mozilla and by Adblock Plus. But one of the bugs that contributed to the problem was actually first reported on Bugzilla in April 2001 (bug 77999).

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  1. Why use ABP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    When you can use ublock Origin, which uses even less ram.

    1. Re:Why use ABP by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But these blockers and such also rely on trust. I trust older reliable stuff and am not going to jump on some new piece of unproven software just because someone on slashdot says to. Adblock works, I don't see ads, why should I change?

    2. Re:Why use ABP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uBlock Origin is open source.

    3. Re:Why use ABP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because ABP isn't missing functionality.

    4. Re:Why use ABP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So?

      Does that make it magically more proven than Adblock?

    5. Re:Why use ABP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ABP UI is far better than ublock.

    6. Re:Why use ABP by epyT-R · · Score: 0

      element hider. I suppose there are other addons that do this, but this one integrates nicely with abp. It's useful for getting around in-page popups and other stupid shit that web 'designers' crowd their pag..err excuse me I mean 'web apps' with.

    7. Re:Why use ABP by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Since you are not gonna trust anyone's word for it, being open source should be a big plus for you. You can look at the source and build it yourself. No need to trust anyone new. Otherwise just listen to people who know and stop using that sell-out bloated piece of shit known as adblock plus.

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  2. Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I can not only block the Kardashians but also Donald Trump and Taylor Swift.

    1. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I can not only block the Kardashians but also Donald Trump and Taylor Swift.

      Our next Presidents, folks.

    2. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taylor Swift is going to be our next president? Sounds awesome.

    3. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, until the break-up. Then it's all whiny emo bullshit.

    4. Re:Nice! by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Funny

      I’m sorry, Taylor Swift is good and all, but Beyonce had one of the best presidencies of all time!

    5. Re:Nice! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I’m sorry, Taylor Swift is good and all, but Beyonce had one of the best presidencies of all time!

      I liked her best as the Jedi Spock.

  3. Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    fixed in a timely fashion I see.

    1. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now we just need someone to fix unicode in PHP and we'll be set.

    2. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'm not sure what to think. When I first reported a memory leak way back on v3.x, I was told I was a liar and that Firefox had no memory leak. As more and more people experienced it, Mozilla (without admitting they were wrong) "fixed" the memory leak. Then they "fixed" it again. And again.

      I'm tempted to try Firefox, or at least the nightly, after many years away from it due to the AdBlock finding.

    3. Re:Another open source bug by b0bby · · Score: 0

      I'm tempted to ditch Firefox since I once or twice a day seem to have some random DNS issue (maybe related to my DHCP/DNS setup) which results in Firefox being unable to resolve site names. No problem with Chrome or IE.

    4. Re:Another open source bug by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Such as? Please show a link to a bug that was reported 30 years ago and not fixed.

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    5. Re:Another open source bug by Darinbob · · Score: 1, Troll

      We just need someone to get rid of PHP and we'll be all set.

    6. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're reading it wrong:
      I think we should just encourage that 14-year-old prodigy!

    7. Re:Another open source bug by TemporalBeing · · Score: 2

      Such as? Please show a link to a bug that was reported 30 years ago and not fixed.

      There have been a number of good examples in Windows; for instance there has been a WMF bug for years, fixed in pretty much every version of Windows only to come back again. There's also equivalents of Bash ShellShock, and others. And really, if you want a link just search the /. archives as they've been mentioned in the last year or two as well.

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    8. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are tripping. Firefox uses the same system libs for DNS lookups as Chrome or IE. Check your setup.

    9. Re:Another open source bug by darkain · · Score: 0
    10. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, let's rephrase: important issues that are clearly bugs.

      Having certain reserved filenames is not a terribly significant issue.

      (I'm certain there are real issues in Windows, and in Linux, etc., that go way back, I'd just love to see a better example).

    11. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get that now and then too. Sometimes it won't resolve the site name, even a site I know exists, then I hit F5 and it'll resolve it and load the site.

    12. Re:Another open source bug by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      I dumped FF the moment they decided to start jamming ads in, and included plugins that I'll never use as part of the feature set. Compared to Palemoon or Waterfox, Firefox has a lot of problems and they seem to be killing themselves.

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    13. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://support.mozilla.org/en...

      What's your point? None of those troubleshooting tips mention anything about Firefox using anything but the same system DNS as everything else.

    14. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I vote we get rid of javascript first.

    15. Re:Another open source bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, scrollbars are still broken for me. Any horizontal motion of the mouse, which is pretty much inevitable with large amounts of scrolling, causes scrolling to stop and the cursor to return to where it was before you started.

  4. Other bugs by penguinoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When will they fix the bug that's slowly turning Firefox into a crappy clone of Chrome?

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    1. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As long as the Pentadactyl addon still runs on Firefox, I'll stick with Firefox. Haven't seen a Chromium plugin that suits my need nearly as well.

      Maybe one day I'll move over to Uzbl, but for now, I can't leave Pentadactyl.

    2. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a bug, it's a feature! (Daily user of both browsers; no complaints here.)

    3. Re:Other bugs by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When will they fix the bug that's slowly turning Firefox into a crappy clone of Chrome?

      I think that particular cancer has it has gone malignant and spread to far already. I think I am going to jump ship to sea-monkey if this keeps up, I mean, I already use Firefox and Thunderbird, and they have crammed webIDE into Firefox anyway so I may as well have it all in one piece. I will probably wait for my biannual OS version bump, But that may change to now too, as Ubuntu has jumped aboard the systemD titanic on the next LTS version.

      Is is just me or has the whole software world lost its mind.

      Windows is trying to go full panopticon and you pay a subscription for it.
      Linux distros are going batshit crazy and slapping a tablet UI on desktops and putting immature, kitchen sink crap-ware as their init
      android is trying to kill external storage as unlimited dataplans are killed off.
      Mobile has killed the idea of fallowing open standards and you need separate apps for every network so you can talk to everyone Skype, face book messenger, google hangouts/voice/chat/mail/talk, snap-chat, whatsapp, ... when previously I could just use pidgin and talk to everyone.
      Cloud storage everything, when storage has never been cheaper.
      And Mozilla's insanity from lets clone chrome to making Firefox a catch all when it was meant to be just the browser, and wasting resources on building their own os.

      what the hell.

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    4. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole reality is turning into a crappy clone of Chrome. Nevertheless, teen bugs are the worst!

    5. Re:Other bugs by alexhs · · Score: 1

      When will they fix the bug that's slowly turning Firefox into a crappy clone of Chrome?

      As soon as they get their financial independence. They're working on it, by the way, there was a deal with Yahoo earlier this year.

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    6. Re:Other bugs by psychonaut · · Score: 1

      Mozilla fixed this back in 2005. It's called SeaMonkey.

    7. Re:Other bugs by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what the hell.

      Monetization. Ad revenue. Analytics. Corporate branding. Vendor lock-in. Cloud services. Walled gardens. Subscriptions.

      Absolutely the software world has lost its mind. The software isn't the point any more; all this other crap is.

      I've lost track of how many apps I've now uninstalled because they do NOTHING you can't access with a browser. But the apps want to embed themselves so they can access your data.

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    8. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As soon as they get their financial independence. They're working on it, by the way, there was a deal with Yahoo earlier this year.

      If there's a thing called financial independence, Yahoo will be first to want it.

    9. Re:Other bugs by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      But is there an RPM for it?

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    10. Re:Other bugs by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aaah, I can tell you're a young one.... 'Tis the sign of another tech bubble, all of it. It's a replay of 1997-2000, but in a different mix. Now, google plays the part of Microsoft; Mozilla is alter-Netscape, trying to catch up; and Girls is Bizarro-Friends.

      As Mark Twain famously said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."

    11. Re:Other bugs by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is what these companies will do once they have the data. AFAICT it's like the underwear gnomes.

      1) Get the data
      2) ????
      3) Profit!

      So you sell the data to an aggregator. What if they've already have the data? What then? What happens when our lives are so well integrated into these feedback systems that no one wants the data anymore? Or that the data is so close to worthless it doesn't matter?

    12. Re:Other bugs by edxwelch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why I use Pale Moon - which is basically the Firefox UI as it was 5 years ago, but with all the latest core updates.

    13. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I am going to jump ship to sea-monkey if this keeps up

      Prepare to be disappointed. Sea-monkey is essentially downstream from Firefox and is itself already severely affected by the crappy Firefox design decisions. It will die together with Firefox.
      The only thing that can still save Firefox is a radical fork. Even then it will not be a browser for the masses anymore, but it is either that or death.

    14. Re:Other bugs by michrech · · Score: 1

      Mobile has killed the idea of fallowing open standards and you need separate apps for every network so you can talk to everyone Skype, face book messenger, google hangouts/voice/chat/mail/talk, snap-chat, whatsapp, ... when previously I could just use pidgin and talk to everyone.

      I solved this issue by refusing to 'chat' with anyone I can't reach outside of Hangouts, via either SMS or actual Hangouts messages. If someone in my already smallish circle of friends / family / acquaintances doesn't want to accommodate, then I don't need to talk to them outside of face-to-face conversations...

      That said, I do prefer Hangouts messages, since they work regardless of whether I'm on cellular data or some sort of WiFi connection.

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    15. Re:Other bugs by psychonaut · · Score: 1

      Of course; it's packaged in the usual repositories of major GNU/Linux distributions. Just type sudo zypper in seamonkey or sudo yum install seamonkey or whatever the magic words are for your flavour.

    16. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the digitalization of the software industry, that is what is going on. You know, so that we can interact digitally with our digital products and services provided by digital enterprises while their continue to digitalizize themselves to become true bits and bobs companies.

    17. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nope. It doesn't have all the latest core updates at all. Call me when they adopt Electrolysis, APZ, and all the other goodies that they can't port over because of that wonderful old UI people are so defensive about.

      Pale Moon is its own thing now, an old Firefox with some stuff bolted on to try to feel more like a modern browser. But it's not, and the more I read about it the more disappointing it is that it's considered such a strong fork of Firefox by some diehard fans. It's Gentoo Ricers all over again, except they're also using stale technology with a spoiler or two bolted onto it.

    18. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. As a life long computer engineer, I feel that we are entering the computing dark ages, mostly due to software.

    19. Re:Other bugs by lgw · · Score: 1

      It's not just you.

      Of all your rant, though, cloud storage is actually a legitimate convenience feature for many users, who don't otherwise have a handy way of sharing/syncing stuff between various devices.

      But, yeah, almost everything seems to be going to shit for no good reason. I need to learn to be productive on BSD now - it seems to be the only place the crazy hasn't infected.

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    20. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will they fix the bug that's slowly turning Firefox into a crappy clone of Chrome?

      Last I heard that work was in progress... seriously Mozilla is working to move a lot of features into extensions... So the browser is debloated... And they can be updated independently.

    21. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed! Here's a 'bug' for you...At least, a bug IMO...

      Installed latest firefox, with no homepage set. I.e. , about:blank. Launch firefox, and see outbound connections from Firefox go to 6 different urls, 4 under https. So why is Firefox communicating with X number of sites, when I haven't even launched a url myself? Sorry, but modern browsers SHOULD NOT, start communicating with websites unless explicitly directed to. An browser profile set to no web sites, SHOULD NOT be communicating to anyone just from launching a browser with no directed web request.

      Looks like a proxy is in my future, and ad traffic for browser companies is going to nill... This stinks of a pending divide regarding web traffic and available provided services if you lack a 'cookied' or 'sessioned' web presence.

    22. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then it will probably become a tradable commodity and there will be a class of people thriving on "flipping" data. Then it will POP.

    23. Re:Other bugs by Lennie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would you single out software ?

      The whole world has lost their mind (with the US being one of the countries at the front).

      Let's take the economy as an example.

      You think this interest rate is normal ?:
      http://www.tradingeconomics.co...

      You think quantitative easing is the new normal ?

      Even if you agree that these are necessary measures you'd have to agree they should only be temporarily.

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    24. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more worried about the bug, which keeps adding propietary software components to firefox.

    25. Re:Other bugs by snookiex · · Score: 1

      Seamonkey + NoScript + Don't load images. Never been happier.

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    26. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You haven't fixed anything. You've settled on one of the worst compromises.

    27. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to be a U.S. federal employee. China already HAS all my data. If anyone else wants it, y'all can probably get it from China easier than you can spy it from me.

    28. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except the pointless crap like Pocket and Hello which should have stayed as extensions.

    29. Re:Other bugs by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Relax, it's you.

      - The "systemd Titanic" has dozens of blog posts by Poettering and others explaining all of the design decisions behind it, and I can't fault anything. I've been using it since I switched to Fedora 18 from Ubuntu, and I never had a problem. git has dozen more complex integrated features in it than CVS, and I don't see anyone crying about that. I really don't understand the hatred. Do you want ext2 back, too? How about Linux kernel 2.2? Perl 4? Want to ditch vim and Emacs because they're bloatware compared to ed? Read your mail in alpine?

      - Ubuntu Unity's market share is dropping, and GNOME 3 popularity started coming back as they added GNOME 2 UI features back. It was a blip on the radar, not some giant disastrous trend. Cinnamon, XFCE, LXDE, KDE 5, GNOME 3 Classic, and Mate are all very sensible and popular UIs.

      - Android pretends to be open but mostly serves the profit engines of Google, Samsung, and the wireless carriers. Of course they're going to screw customers by dropping SD card readers or replaceable batteries. That drives customers to more expensive phones with more built in storage, or more expensive data plans, or newer phones. We should have never trusted the project in the first place.

      - Making a mobile site that works as well as native code, even 'native' Java, on a small screen and limited resources is damn difficult.

      - Hopefully storj.io and similar ideas make distributed cloud storage as cheap and secure as buying an extra disk and putting an encrypted volume on it.

      - Mozilla has two goals with Firefox OS. First, to reverse the trend toward native apps on mobile - and you yourself were complaining about that, so I would think you like it. Second, the world has roughly twice as many smart phone users as traditional computer users, two billion versus one billion, and it's expected that in a few years there will be three or four billion smart phone users. Android and iOS are eating the consumer computing world, and Firefox OS is the best chance we have to prevent the consumer computing experience of the future from being a choice between a bunch of locked down proprietary alternatives.

    30. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monetization. Ad revenue. Analytics. Corporate branding. Vendor lock-in. Cloud services. Walled gardens. Subscriptions.

      Bingo!

      But yeah, agree with your point. I occasionally check my gmail on my wife's ipad, and I swear that the web interface is deliberately broken for ipad/mobile in general to "encourage" you to use the app (try logging out of the gmail web interface (not desktop) on an ipad, then go to google.com or youtube... still logged in, huh? Or, if you enjoy random infinite loops, try logging out of one account then logging back in to another on the web interface). And I notice recently that they've made it all but impossible to access google maps via the web interface on same if you have the google maps app installed (it is possible, but it aint easy).

    31. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a hit at parties. You've settled on the shittiest mobile IM linked to one of the shittiest social networks.

    32. Re:Other bugs by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Why would I want my email, browser, and calendar all in one app?

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    33. Re:Other bugs by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I used firefox since version 2, as my main browser. I got tired of something that looks like Chrome, but still needs Flash installed to play the free games online. So with my new computer, I simply gave in to the dark side, and installed Chrome directly. The bonus is better memory usage.

      If Firefox wants users back, they have to be their own browser again, but clear up the memory issues first.

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    34. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not an app, it's an all-in-one internet application suite.

    35. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you like the interest rate to be ? You ninkumpoop! Even 1984 dollars are meaningless today. The sick joke is a pre civil war slave earned more in gold than all the paper dollars congress can steal these days. You liberals have been hoodwinked by your own nonsense.
      The chinks are making all your electronics and you don't know whether to laugh or cry! Now, I'm not going to tell you to write your congressman, because I don't know what to tell you to write. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!'
      So stop arguing about global warming
      Abortion
      Bruce Jenner
      Life on other planets. NONE OF THIS MATTERS. Only you matter. The world is full of people, dying to be free, so if you don't my friend (change your way of life) there's no life for you, No world for me.
      Can't stand it no more. People dying, crying for help for so many years, but nobody hears. No more killing. No more dying. In your head, they are dying. In your head. In your head. What's in your head? 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it!

    36. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was helping someone with a narrow field of vision search scientific information for school the other day, he was using whatever new version of firefox while I stopped updating then finally switched to Pale Moon awhile back and had not seen what has been going on. He was trying to search using google but the default was Yahoo, he said he hated the yahoo results but it just started happening one day and he didn't know how to make it go away.

      Firefox is becoming unusable to anyone who doesn't already know how to reverse all of their decisions, it is literally preventing people from working effectively. Is that what a modern browser does? Just by not making arbitrary changes to the UI, pale moon is already superior. That is before we consider the advertisements I saw on the new tab page, pointless "hamburger" menu that seems to appear as a site/application enters the "spy on and annoy your users" stage, etc.

    37. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is ASCII porn really that much better? How did you complete Slashdot's posting captcha?

    38. Re:Other bugs by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You think quantitative easing is the new normal ?

      How could that possibly be avoided? Real economy works in terms of supply and demand. When demand exceeds supply, companies hire more people and we have an economic boom; when supply exceeds demand, people get fired and we have a depression. However, most people get their income in the form of wages, and wages have been falling for decades now, thus the demand necessary to keep the economy going simply isn't there anymore. The only fix would be to force those wages up worldwide or enact a generous guaranteed minimum income; but the elites of any one country can get more for themselves by pricing their domestic labour as cheaper than competitors and the international labour movement is too weak to counter that by itself. Thus governments are left with various forms of economic voodoo to try and stall the downward spiral.

      Even if you agree that these are necessary measures you'd have to agree they should only be temporarily.

      They are, in the sense that they can't stop the economic collapse.

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    39. Re:Other bugs by slaker · · Score: 1

      There's always Palemoon, which I think forked far enough back that it's missing all the stuff I'd currently call bullshit.

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    40. Re:Other bugs by psychonaut · · Score: 1

      So don't use the e-mail and calendar part. (If you don't set them as the default applications, you'll never notice them.) Even though they're sitting there unused and unnoticed, SeaMonkey is still less bloated than Firefox.

    41. Re:Other bugs by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      You think quantitative easing is the new normal ? ...you'd have to agree they should only be temporarily.

      They're just as temporary as the patches *I* create. Until they blow up, and then they get a new temporary patch.

      Than again, maybe Janet Yellen herself is temporary: one, Two

      When I watched two, at first I thought she had gotten stage fright, then I decided she was just trying to concentrate or breathe.

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    42. Re:Other bugs by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Linux distros are going batshit crazy and slapping a tablet UI on desktops

      Then use a different UI. There's loads of choice that isn't tablet-like, including xfce, Mate, and even KDE is still safe.

    43. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software has never been the point - except to us nerds.

      When I started using computers word processors sucked. Every year or two a new version came out that sucked a bit less. Now, they do what I want, don't crash, and run reasonably quickly. Why would I pay for the next upgrade?
      Getting things done has been the point, and now we've reached the end of that "upgrade" isn't a reason to spend money any more.

      You make software? How do you get money from that when people don't need to upgrade? It's not like furniture and go out of fashion, it's not like a car and start to fail as it ages.

    44. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The android project has little control over the HARDWARE. They deal with, you know, the SOFTWARE and CODE. It's up to the carriers to not be douchebags and remove expandable memory slots (this is a selling point for plenty of phone users). This decision by some makers to remove those slots was a design decision first, and a "profit" decision second. The fact that a phone does or does not have a memory card slot doesn't change the fact that they, the manufacturer, want to shove a new flashy phone down your throat in 6 months. The fact that such and such manufacturer decides to follow apple with non replaceable batteries has ZERO to do with the code. Zero.

      But to try to blame this on the android project, which is coding the software in an open source manner, providing this code base to the manufacturers and carriers to mod and use as they see fit, is just silly... if not deliberately ignorant.

    45. Re:Other bugs by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      The Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is free for anyone to adopt for any use they see fit, as long as they comply with the terms of the component open source software licenses (GPLv2 for the kernel, Apache license for the rest). Amazon used that to make their own fork. For a while, so did Barnes & Noble. So AOSP has no control over hardware.

      But to use the Android name on the resulting products, the companies have to enter a legal agreement with Google. Google could place restrictions on features in those contracts, like requiring :
      removable storage
      removable batteries
      guaranteed software security updates within three months of the disclosure of any bug for the product for a minimum of, say, three years after its release.

      Those requirements would help users and slow the crazy planned-obsolescence cycle of Android devices. But Google does not impose those requirements.

    46. Re:Other bugs by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      There's always Palemoon, which I think forked far enough back that it's missing all the stuff I'd currently call bullshit.

      does it have a linux port and 64 bit support?

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    47. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't use the search box myself but it took me about three seconds to get to options/search on the current version of fiefox, where you can change the default. This is a pretty pathetic objection.
      It took me about one minute and three option changes to get Firefox pretty much how it was before the UI changes and it's respected those changes ever since through many versions.

    48. Re:Other bugs by iampiti · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough that Android is essentially a spying device for Google but Windows has gone from the classic (and fair) model of money in exchange for software which does what's supposed to (and gets out of the way) to a device to push Microsoft's services and their mobile ecosystem.
      I wouldn't be so pissed off if they had a "good" version of Windows which you had to pay for. I'd totally go for that.
      The games are the only software tying me to Windows, I might have to start playing Linux-compatible titles only.

    49. Re:Other bugs by camperdave · · Score: 1

      So I install it three times? Once as a browser. Once as an email client. And once as a calendar?

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    50. Re:Other bugs by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      It's bad enough that Android is essentially a spying device for Google but Windows has gone from the classic (and fair) model of money in exchange for software which does what's supposed to (and gets out of the way) to a device to push Microsoft's services and their mobile ecosystem.

      I wouldn't be so pissed off if they had a "good" version of Windows which you had to pay for. I'd totally go for that.

      The games are the only software tying me to Windows, I might have to start playing Linux-compatible titles only.

      I already have been buying only titles with Linux support, Boarderlands 2/Pre-Sequal has a excellent ports as do the newer Civ titles.

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    51. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a real piece of shit. Fuck you, fuck Google Hangouts and fuck Google+.

    52. Re:Other bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a look into PaleMoon. Firefox without the "chrome-ification"

  5. I've been dealing with this problem for 14 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least it feels like that. When you have 100 tabs open for weeks at a time, it hogs up memory and doesn't let it go until the program crashes or the computer does.

    It does it on Windows and Mac. Even Linux Mint had this problem too.

  6. Mozilla, listen to your users! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are many bugs (unintentional) and problems (intentional) that have gone uncorrected in Firefox. If Mozilla was not so arrogant and listened to the users, they would have an awesome product. Instead, we have a crash-prone clone of Chrome.

  7. Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by The+Faywood+Assassin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Using Firefox has become like that relationship that used to be perfect and then out of nowhere your partner starts cheating on you and each time swears its going to be the last time.

    And you keep falling for it.

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    I'm actually much greater than I think I am"

    1. Re:Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets be honest though: she was always cheating on you. You were just happier when you didn't know.

    2. Re:Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still better than Chrome, since they haven't finished copying all of its bad ideas. And the spyware.

      Don't look at me--I use Konqueror.

    3. Re:Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by The+Faywood+Assassin · · Score: 1

      So true!

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      "I'm a humble person really,

      I'm actually much greater than I think I am"

    4. Re:Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozilla has been spyware since before Firefox came out ;p

    5. Re:Analogy of my Relationship with Firefox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using Firefox has become like that relationship that used to be perfect and then out of nowhere your partner starts cheating on you and each time swears its going to be the last time.

      And you keep falling for it.

      Abusive relationships can last a very very long time.
      Blame the right one, Mozilla. Mozilla made a shit out of Firefox and Thunderbird. And there is no going back.
      A sad state of affairs if there was ever one but hey what are you going to do ? Those shitheads just like the gnome one's don't listen to their users. They simply don't give a damn.

      There is not one browser worth the code it is written in. They are all shit from Apple, to Google, to Microsoft and Mozilla and Opera. 10 years ago all due proportions being made we had better choice and better browsers.

      In my case I still cling desperately to Opera 12.xx and if something doesn't work I pass momentarily on Seamonkey.

  8. I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There was this woman I worked with who constantly complained of her computer locking up. For every page she looked at, she would open a new tab. After a couple of hours, she had a few dozen tabs open. Clicking on the close program icon wouldn't look like it was dining anything. It took several minutes to close the browser down.

    And she kept doing it even after it was explained to her that she was causing her machine to hang!

    To this day I have no idea why she insisted on doing it.

    1. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it shouldn't cause the machine to hang. The browser should intelligently swap memory in and out and suspend background processes when needed.

    2. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does, since switching from a bloated page to a blank pages reduces memory usage, maybe the system needs more RAM or the OS should be swapping more efficently.

    3. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suspending processes and swap memory isn't magic. It still consumes resources. The swap space allocated by the OS will fill. You could increase the limit, heck, even allow it to fill all free space on the drive; but that might cause other problems.

      IMHO, you can't blame 100 open tabs on the OS or browser. It's like "parking" your car by driving it into a wall at 20 mph. Yeah, they could pad the inside of the car and put 20 feet of foam on the front bumper... or you could learn to use the brakes properly.

    4. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the days of multi terabyte, solid state storage devices, swap space is irrelevant.

      The fact is that Firefox doesn't handle resources properly and never has. This very story is proof of that.

    5. Re:I have seen that happen. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If she was one of those non technical types, it is entirely likely that it was the way she was shown and she didn't know any better.

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    6. Re:I have seen that happen. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Even the latest and greatest NVMe SSD's are significantly slower than RAM in both latency and bandwidth.

    7. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter because that will be the least used data. A half second wait for it to be reloaded into RAM isn't a problem.

    8. Re:I have seen that happen. by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Informative

      I would buy into that argument more if Firefox actually released all the memory from tabs when you were done doing using them.

      Coincidentally i just happen to have 100 tabs open, spread across 9 windows, and Firefox is currently consuming 2,871,288 K of private memory.

      Close one window with 8 (graphically dense tabs). Wait 30 seconds. Now down to 2,802,295 K.

      Close a window with 15 tabs of webcomics. Wait 30 seconds. Now down to 2,717,452 K

      I won't bore with you with the rest of the details. Continue closing windows, then tabs, until this post is the only tab left. Still using 1,979,024 K!

      The other 99 tabs were apparently just a little it's over 9000 K each, but this last tab is holding on to almost 2 GB of memory with a death grip

      The incentive to close extraneous tabs and windows is pretty minuscule when it doesn't actually gain me that much. So instead i open as many tabs as i feel like, then just close everything and start over when either Firefox or the PC starts getting sluggish.

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    9. Re:I have seen that happen. by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And then close Firefox, open it again, with this post as the only tab. 349,349 K. Opening up a second tab takes it to 357,096 K.

      So when you start Firefox has a base footprint of about 340 K + 8K per tab. (Depending on the contents of the page of course.) If it could actually _stay_ like that and recover memory properly when i close tabs then i wouldn't complain. Instead however there was about 1.6 GB of crap stuck in memory before i closed the program completely.

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    10. Re:I have seen that happen. by roca · · Score: 0

      Please file a bug and include the contents of an about:memory report.

    11. Re:I have seen that happen. by reikae · · Score: 2

      I closed Firefox, opened it again, with that post in one tab and this reply in another. 174,192K. I wonder why the difference is so big.

      Viewing HTML5 video seems to make Firefox's memory usage grow fast and, more importantly, stay high even days after the video tabs have been closed.

    12. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the quality of Firefox has been allowed to drop this much, it's pretty obvious that Mozilla doesn't give a shit. Why bother submitting a bug report that's just going to get ignored?

    13. Re:I have seen that happen. by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      So when you start Firefox has a base footprint of about 340 K + 8K per tab.

      I think you mean

      "So when you start Firefox has a base footprint of about 340 M + 8M per tab."

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    14. Re:I have seen that happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, I see the same behavior. Not sure what triggers it, but after a while memory starts leaking, and closing tabs won't help (nor the built-in about:memory tools). Even a single open blanco tab will keep consuming gigabytes.

      What does help is exiting FF and restoring the tabs from the last session. After all tabs reloaded, it will consume gigabytes less than before. Even less if you configure it to not load all tabs until you open them, but that's not a good comparison.

      I switched to uBlock, which seems to help, but I still run into situations where FF sometimes seems to run out of memory (causing rendering artifacts, like GUI and page elements drawn as white or black boxes). Video playback (Flash and built-in) seems to trigger that one.

    15. Re:I have seen that happen. by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      Forget "this post." The best part is when your last tab is "about:memory" and you do a garbage purge, and the memory consumption doesn't budge... or the last tab is "about:blank" and memory doesn't budge.

      Actually, the best part is all those Firefox fans that have been insisting for 10 years that this isn't actually happening, Mozilla has "made a lot of progress" even though it's never actually been a problem, and that somehow it's probably all your fault (plugins) that the browser is crashing on 32-bit systems because it uses so many gigs of memory.

    16. Re:I have seen that happen. by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right. Math is hard. Can i leave work early and go shopping? =P

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    17. Re:I have seen that happen. by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      My guess is that this is for the "Reopen closed tab" feature. FireFox makes it appear that the tab is gone, but retains it in memory for an indeterminate length prior to the browser itself closing in case the user selects that option.

      Which can be handy... except that it seems to be the only way for it to work. If there was a "hell yes I want this tab gone" option that would close the tab and release all associated memory, that would be great. But unless such a thing would give Mozilla's UI team a reason to completely redo the layout again, I doubt it will happen short of an extension.

  9. New Tab by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Firefox 41 also removed the New Tab URL preference (browser.newtab.url), telling people to use a third-party extension instead.

    The reason? Malware can change the setting. Full stop. That's it. So, because someone's computer is already compromised, and that malware changed a Firefox preference (alongside doing things like, you know, running a keylogger), Mozilla decided to cause headache and grief for everyone else. And to top it all off, if you want to continue to configure the new tab URL, you should use an extension written by some random guy.

    I just don't understand the mentality. Choosing the default URL for a new tab seems like such an obvious feature, yet it's getting ripped out too, like so many others that Gavin Sharp has pissed on. Fuck Mozilla.

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    1. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They also refuse to honor JPG rotation, because it might break the internet, without bothering to check and see if properly following the standard would make things better or worse.

    2. Re:New Tab by dejitaru · · Score: 2

      That's been Mozilla's method lately. They decide what they want for the browser, and not the used, which is why there was a lot of customization removed from the browser. Their only excuse is to use an extension, in which needs to be signed by them. I am starting to think that most browsers are just moving to the casual user and making them dumb-down and not caring for any poweruser. I mean, Opera did the same thing, dropped their code and just making a worthless browser based on chromium, losing all of their features that was in 12.x. /2cents

    3. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use a blank new tab as a starting point, as I always have, and quit yer whinin'.

    4. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, its a garbage browser. I don't know how anyone uses it as their primary browser anymore :)

    5. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it still slaps the newtab config icon on the blank page.

      Captcha: infused

    6. Re:New Tab by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      They decide what they want for the browser, and not the used

      LOL ... Freudian slip, or innocent typo?

      These days, I'd say users are feeling pretty used.

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    7. Re:New Tab by Samare · · Score: 1

      I've been using the "New Tab Homepage View" extension for some time now. Because by just setting browser.newtab.url, the search bar from Google didn't get the focus.

    8. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next they should get rid of the home page setting too. That can be abused by malware too. In fact, I suspect the real reason is so people won't be able to miss the "enhanced" new tab page.

      But in all seriousness, just look at what they have done. Almost every feature someone requests is answered with "use an extension." But then, they go and add WebRTC, Pocket and developer tools, because they are popular. No that isn't the reason and you know it. Just look at all the addons that are more popular than Pocket and how many of those would be better off as built-ins rather than extensions. The one that immediately comes to mind is Adblocking; but there are others. You and I may disagree as to what should be built in, but isn't that the whole point? But as far as it goes, if it is built in to the browser, it should be configurable in the browser through some interface.

    9. Re:New Tab by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      How else will we get to the upsidedownternet?

      https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind...

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    10. Re:New Tab by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Wow.

      That's just plain retarded. But then again i'm not surprised.

      Mozilla has a long history of not knowing what the fuck they are doing. i.e. Denial over memory leaks has been going on since FF 2.x

    11. Re:New Tab by dissy · · Score: 1

      I just don't understand the mentality.

      It's just one more step in their grand master plan to remove all web browsing functionality from their web browser, announced back in April '15.

      They already approved their decision to remove HTTP support from Firefox over the next year:
      https://blog.mozilla.org/secur...

      After which the new tab preference will be pretty unimportant in the overall scheme of things.
      Although to be fair, they will force-expire that random guys plugin a few dozen times between now and then no doubt :P

    12. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retarded, yes. But I'd guess the new overlords of Mozilla know *exactly* what they're doing...

    13. Re:New Tab by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      Wow. As if Mozilla couldn't get any more stupid.

      I love that Tim Berners-Lee called them out on their bullshit:

      * Web Security - "HTTPS Everywhere" harmful

      And Andrea Ronchetti gives perfect use case that this retarded move would break:

      But if i want to see an html page which is saved in my hard disk, can i do it? And with software as EasyPhp there will be some problems?

    14. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not use a standard OS launcher to open whatever page you want?

    15. Re:New Tab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a random guy sir! I am me, the author of this Add-On!

      https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/custom-new-tab/

    16. Re:New Tab by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I just don't understand the mentality.

      The mentality is that you can and should build your own franken-browser from whatever plug-ins fits you, it's not supposed to be a fully functional browser you can extend but more like a skeleton you can build on. It happens when you go over the top on flexibility and think people want a DIY kit instead of a product. The problem is the same as why you can't fit any car body with any chassis with any engine with any transmission with any brakes with any interior, they don't all go together. And some parts are shit, but only by hogging memory or crashing in ways that aren't easily traceable. I don't want to be the unit and integration tester in a modern day DLL hell, because Mozilla's will not take any responsibility for plug-ins trampling over each other or bringing the browser to its knees. Don't get me wrong, the basic idea that you can write an obscure plug-in without bloating the main code base and getting approval to push it out to 100+ million users is great. But it should be more of a test bed to see what functionality should be standard for the masses, rather than pushing more and more functionality out of the core. Here's an early alpha of Firefox 100, you can have HTML engine plugins, Javascript engine plugins, UI plugins, in fact any functionality you'd care to think of. It looks like this:

      main()
      {
              loadPlugins()
      }

      Great, yes?

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    17. Re:New Tab by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      It's so cute how you think that the reason to eliminate the webpage for a new tab, isn't because they're now serving ads on and making money from "empty" pages.

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    18. Re:New Tab by roca · · Score: 1

      Well, apart from the fact that we spent years fixing leaks and usually have the best memory usage of any browser.

    19. Re:New Tab by roca · · Score: 1

      We have to live in the real world where a significant percentage of users have some kind of malware or quasi-malware (e.g. Ask toolbar or anti-virus software) installed.

    20. Re:New Tab by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Well, apart from the fact that we spent years fixing leaks and usually have the best memory usage of any browser.

      I'd like to see some data on that claim. Because all I have seen in my usage and in random internet reviews is that firefox consistently uses the most memory and runs the slowest (lately even IE has become faster).

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  10. When did you stop beating your wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  11. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah. An AdBlock thread without APK is like a outhouse without the stink.

  12. It's not a bug by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

    AFAICT it's not a bug, more of a feature request.
    The problem was that style sheets were not being shared between pages, even if they were identical. So AdBlockPro had a copy of its style sheets shared in each tab. Apparently it uses a large style sheet?

    So this change allowed for some de-duplication.

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    1. Re:It's not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently it uses a large style sheet?

      Element hiding requires a few megabytes of style sheets, ublock Origin solves this issue by caching stuff.

    2. Re:It's not a bug by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      With the default filterset (EasyList), it uses a 40,000 line stylesheet. It took about 3 MB per tab (or actually, worse: 3 MB per document, so every iframe used another 3 MB).

      I can't imagine that matching all those rules against the page as it loads is particularly fast either...

    3. Re:It's not a bug by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      I can't imagine that matching all those rules against the page as it loads is particularly fast either...

      I think you're probably right, but compared to actually loading the ads, it seems to be an order of magnitude faster.

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    4. Re:It's not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of the bug, Adblock Plus used to compose a list of applicable stylesheet for each tab/frame, so the actual list was much smaller. But they were still unshared, and a stylesheet is much more than its text in memory.

    5. Re:It's not a bug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not so sure it's not a bug.

      After a while of using FF with Adblock Plus, the FF process starts to use a lot of memory. Not sure what starts it, but using pages like google images seems to speed it up. Once it uses too much, FF becomes unresponsive for minutes while it seems to be garbage collecting or swapping or so.

      Now the issue is not that it uses that much memory, but that when I close all these tabs and keep a single blanco tab open, it still keeps all that memory allocated. Using the built-in memory cleanup doesn't free it. If I keep all these tabs open, and simply exit FF and restart it (reopening previous tabs in the saved session), then the memory got released.

      I switched to uBlock which improves things a lot, but still seems to trigger the same or similar leak (but more slowly).

  13. Oh good by uniquegeek · · Score: 1

    There is hope yet for all the bugs I've submitted.

    1. Re:Oh good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISTR submitting on in 2003 or so. I last checked about 5 years ago, but it was still just sitting there at the time. I'd go look out of curiosity, but I've lost track of my bugzilla account and am too lazy to bother retrieving my login details.

  14. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who is this idiot that keeps spamming that crap?

  15. What? by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought Firefox didn't have any memory issues? That was the party line from Mozilla for so long.

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    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didnt, this is a feature Adblock had wanted for sometime now. Feature request are tracked by bugzilla a bugs.

  16. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by khelms · · Score: 1

    How do I block THIS ad?

  17. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    On behalf of all other AC's I apologize for this piece of unintelligible tripe.
    I realize we do not have a very good reputation, but this is below even our standards. And that includes goatse, GNAA and even DICE editing standards.

    Again, on behalf of all AC's, our sincerest apologies.

  18. The hosts file or DNS are better solutions IMHO by dlang_rocks · · Score: 1

    I'm definitely all for reducing firefox's memory footprint. It's definitely a memory hog. But if you use your hosts file or DNS to do your adblocking, then it works with all browsers. Heck, if you control your router, and you put the blocking in DNS there, then you get it on all of your computers. Currently, I use unbound with https://github.com/jodrell/unb... on a cronjob to update the block list regularly, and all of my browsers are free of ads without having to figure out the best way to block ads in each browser - or having to worry about how it affects firefox's already ludicrous memory footprint.

    1. Re:The hosts file or DNS are better solutions IMHO by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 2

      So you would slow down your router instead of your browser? The router that's used for more than webpages? The router that has less horsepower than your computer?

    2. Re:The hosts file or DNS are better solutions IMHO by dlang_rocks · · Score: 1

      So you would slow down your router instead of your browser? The router that's used for more than webpages? The router that has less horsepower than your computer?

      A router for a home network doesn't need to do much, and I very much doubt that adding entries to your DNS cache which point to 0.0.0.0 for bad domains is really going to cost much. And I'd certainly rather have that small hit to my router than have my already slow browser slowed down by more add-ons, and it avoids having to set up ad blocking on any of the devices on your network. You might even get lucky, and it'll block some malware from phoning home if something on your network gets infected with it (i.e. if it uses one of the bad domains rather than an explicit IP or some other domain to phone home), but even if that isn't terribly likely, it's at least possible when you're rerouting junk domains in your DNS server, whereas it definitely won't happen with a browser plugin. But if it really is too much for your router to have the extra entries to do ad blocking, then fine, that's not a good solution for you.

    3. Re:The hosts file or DNS are better solutions IMHO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what year you think this is, routers have more power than you give them credit for. If your router is slowed down from a basic DNS daemon that only resolves for your internal network, then you sir need a new router.

  19. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK you really need to grow up. Random people will say random things to you.

    Get a girl, grow roses and make some kids. More rewarding that duking it out with random assholes here.

  20. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here comes Slashdot's resident spammer to tell us why browser extensions are bad, but some bullshit software he wrote (which just rides the coattails of other people) is good.

    Notice he never addresses how advertising companies spin up new servers day in and day out, but no operating system's implementation of /etc/hosts will support wildcards on a domain. Blocking foo.adserver.com is useless when they create bar.adserver.com and baz.adserver.com an hour from now. Instead, he will ad-hominem attack anyone mentioning this.

    Notice he never addresses the fact that advertising companies have begun serving their ads directly from IP addresses, bypassing DNS altogether. Instead, he will ad-hominem attack anyone mentioning this.

    Notice he never addresses the fact that browser extensions can recognize and block certain DOM elements no matter where they come from, whereas a hosts file is completely incapable of assisting in this manner. Instead, he will ad-hominem attack anyone mentioning this.

  21. There are even older bugs that have irked my team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At least it isn't as old as the "add extra row to textarea" bug reported in 2000, and still not fixed.
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33654

    There are work arounds, but there shouldn't need to be.

  22. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    11.) Get you by dnsbl

    If you aren't a spammer, why would you want to evade DNSBLs?

  23. What can I use instead? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    After my computer slowing to a crawl, inspecting the task manager, discovering FF was using 1.5G memory, restarting FF, and seeing that it only used 500M memory with the exact same windows open, what realistic alternatives are there?

    Chrome, no. There's a new Opera coming out, but not anytime soon. IE, not in this lifetime. I've been out of the loop for a long time, what does the alternative browser market look like these days?

    And throw in a replacement for Thunderbird as well, I'm tired of waiting 30 seconds for a "create a new message" window to appear on my system.

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    1. Re:What can I use instead? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      After my computer slowing to a crawl, inspecting the task manager, discovering FF was using 1.5G memory, restarting FF, and seeing that it only used 500M memory with the exact same windows open...

      That is because it has elements from previous pages cached for if/when you hit the back button or revisit your commonly visited sites. Closing and reopening it simply lets all that go. I can't imagine any other browser does anything much different. Perhaps they are better at hiding it.

      Also, how much system memory do you have? I don't know any modern PC of anyone I own with less than 8GB, and most apps have a hard time breaking ~150M of RAM usage. Even if Firefox was using 2GB, I can't see how it would choke a reasonable system.

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    2. Re:What can I use instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a new one called Vivaldi--worth checking out.

    3. Re:What can I use instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just start closing your tabs when you're done with them, and the problem mysteriously disappears for a lot of people. Such a novel concept, I know. But nope, far easier to keep one or two tabs open, loaded with browsing history you'll never give two shits about again.

    4. Re:What can I use instead? by dlang_rocks · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of programs out there that eat too much memory, and regardless, the more programs that you have running, the more memory you're system is going to be using, and the more it costs you every time that an app is using more memory than it actually needs. Browsers are particularly bad with memory for some reason, but there are plenty of other programs that eat memory for lunch. The attitude that memory is cheap is pretty toxic IMHO. Sure, it's way cheaper than it used to be, but the more apps that are written without trying to keep a reasonably low memory profile, the more memory that you need to run the same number of apps. Personally, I have lots of browser windows open all the time and plenty of other programs constantly open as well. And sometimes I have to close programs because they're too much of a memory hog, much as I might like to keep them open. Firefox is one of the worst offenders. So, I definitely care when programmers don't try and keep the memory footprint of their programs low, and _any_ program that's anywhere near a GiB in memory usage really should be looked at for how to lower its memory footprint. Firefox trivially blows past a GiB.

    5. Re:What can I use instead? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      My question was to ask about alternatives to firefox, not a lecture on memory.

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    6. Re:What can I use instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be worth checking your prefs.js file in your Thunderbird profile directory.

      I've seen at least a couple of instances where a lot of rubbish preferences accumulated over time (I think it was a faulty plugin that created them) that resulted in Thunderbird spinning its wheels after various actions (such as starting a new email), even with all plugins disabled.

      Cleaning up prefs.js of the junk preferences resulted in TB returning to being rather snappy.

    7. Re:What can I use instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is because it has elements from previous pages cached for if/when you hit the back button or revisit your commonly visited sites.

      Lies. If that was true, then clearing your cache would bring firefox.exe memory usage down to a reasonable level. It doesn't.

      I had a case once where firefox ballooned to over 1.4GB, I opened a new blank window, then closed every other firefox window. Firefox was still using over 1.2 GB of memory.

  24. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How come you've only posted once on this APK guy? Too many AC's so you can't paste links to other arguments that you've lost?

  25. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    Also, that is actually nonsensical as a DNS BL is something you are added to that the other person uses, you can't get by it by using a hosts file on either end (as a hosts file isn't anything like a DNS BL).

    But that is ok, when you bring up problems with his hosts files, it is nothing but ad hominem and "I totally showed you up" when he did nothing of the sort.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  26. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK, why are you pretending to be someone else?

  27. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    APK's host file program fixed this bug years ago, that is why he feels he is on topic with this post.

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    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  28. Yay!!! by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    I hear that BOTH the people still using Firefox are thrilled by this development!

    --
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    1. Re:Yay!!! by qbast · · Score: 1

      Make it three - unfortunately I have to work with Jira and it pretty much kills any other browser.

    2. Re:Yay!!! by Shados · · Score: 1

      huh? Jira works fine (well, as fine as Jira can work) in Chrome, Safari, even Edge (well, shitty fonts aside).

      Firefox is just so fucking slow all around.

    3. Re:Yay!!! by qbast · · Score: 1

      When I go to any bug, it renders the page then freezes the current tab for 30-40s. Agile board is completely impossible to use (do anything at all, browser again freezes for half a minute). The same problem with Chrome, Safari and IE. I generally use Chrome for everything, but still have to have firefox open just for damn jira.

    4. Re:Yay!!! by dave420 · · Score: 1

      JIRA works fine for me in Chrome...

    5. Re:Yay!!! by Shados · · Score: 1

      bug specific to the version of jira you use or something? My previous company used jira with 500~ engineer/product people, and almost everyone used Chrome with it no problem... Current one uses the latest version of Jira, about 80 product/engineers, and i think only 2 people use firefox. No one has issues with it.

    6. Re:Yay!!! by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      I just want to say that all the 100 or so people at my previous office used Jira and Chrome with no problems whatsoever.

      --
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  29. Re:Coren22, you really *are* stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If www.1.com was blocked @ DNS level by DNSBL, if I have IPAddresswww.1.com in hosts it works and I can get to it, stupid... a DNS Block List can't stop me.

    * Holy SHIT are you fucking dumb!

    APK

    P.S.=> I knew you were subpar in computing know-how, but how much so I never knew, until now... lol, unbelievable!

    ... apk

    Huh?

  30. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This comment seems to be one of the most informative. So much for the IQ of Slashdotters!

  31. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by TWX · · Score: 1

    I was having a bit of a rough day, one of our major sites was down because the backbone provider screwed up and everyone was pissed, and you managed to make me laugh out out for the first time today despite all of that. Thanks!

    --
    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  32. Re:Coren22, you really *are* stupid! by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Apparently I am dumb, as I actually know what a DNS black list is, and you don't.

    http://www.dnsbl.info/

    Blacklists are used by mail servers to automatically black hole messages from known spammers. They are not used by your web browser, so adding a BLed address to your hosts file would be 1. extraordinarily dumb, and 2. not do anything.

    If you don't know what a term means, don't just assume that the name describes it, instead you should look it up and read about it.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  33. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 apk make you eat your words admitting he's right http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... after your hypocritical bs on admin privelege used which you admitted using yourself shut you down easily. It was priceless. Then you also had to admit he's correct that he's shoring up security by blocking known bad sites in hosts which even Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET seconds apk on as a good security measure. The only way to do an update to hosts while inside Windows IS to use admin privelege (this is by design in Windows SFP/WFP) which you the user set, knowing full why, to secure your system vs. known bad sites by blocking them. You fail again troll.

  34. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you talking to yourself now APK?

  35. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Um, did you even read any of that thread APK? I never admitted you were right at all, and the reply to yours had me falling out of my seat laughing.

    APK Hosts file = Unsecure garbage software

    You didn't even write the majority of it, you just steal other people's lists and combine them into yours. Please tell me more about all your security chops, and how you have no freaking clue what a DNS BL is.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  36. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except you said:

    11.) Get you by dnsbl

    DNS blocking isn't a DNSBL (DNS Blackhole/Black/Block List)

  37. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

    You like hosts, go use them and enjoy it. I think hosts have a use but it's not the only thing I use. I like my setup too, and I am enjoying it.

    The difference is, I'm not an insecure little man with a desperate need to win converts. I don't really care what other people use. I wouldn't recommend anything to them unless they bring it up first. You remind me of a religious zealot on a mission to preach to the infidels.

  38. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're talking about DNSBL, why are you avoiding the subject?

  39. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    APK, you know what "P.S." means, right? In case you don't, I'll offer this common definition:

    A postscript (P.S.) is an afterthought, thought of occurring after the letter has been written and signed. The term comes from the Latin post scriptum, an expression meaning "written after" (which may be interpreted in the sense of "that which comes after the writing").

    Now, why in the hell does your text after the P.S. contain 39% more text than the text before the P.S.? This is Slashdot, we know you can't edit your posts to add things after the fact, so instead of putting in one or more postscripts, just finish your thought man. And what's with the little "=>" symbol? Are you trying to point out that the postscript is that text just to the right of where you write "P.S."? Let me tell you brother, that's obvious. People trying to interpret the things that you type don't need additional random punctuation whose only purpose is to point out the obvious but instead just end up adding additional confusion. Things like separating sentences with a plus sign (we understand, the next thought is supposed to follow the previous thought), occasionally switching to an ampersand then back to a plus sign, beginning sentences that are not footnotes with an asterisk, etc.

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  40. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    posting once is enough. TY

  41. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    DNS Blocking isn't the same thing as DNS BL, stop backpedaling.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  42. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What part of DNS blocking ISN'T DNSBL did you not understand?

    Domain Name System Blacklists, also known as DNSBL's or DNS Blacklists, are spam blocking lists that allow a website administrator to block messages from specific systems that have a history of sending spam. As their name implies, the lists are based on the Internet's Domain Name System, which converts complicated, numerical IP address such as 66.171.248.182 into domain names like example.net, making the lists much easier to read, use, and search. If the maintainer of a DNS Blacklist has in the past received spam of any kind from a specific domain name, that server would be "blacklisted" and all messages sent from it would be either flagged or rejected from all sites that use that specific list.

    A hosts file entry isn't going to do a damn thing.

  43. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Evade them? I can't even spell them!

  44. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your hosts file program is hot garbage.

  45. 14 year old bug huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, way to go Firefox! Right on top of things! But I thought Firefox has been saying for years it has no memory issues? So is this a 14 year old issue that really isn't an issue that now has been fixed? Got it.

    1. Re:14 year old bug huh? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Well, way to go Firefox! Right on top of things! But I thought Firefox has been saying for years it has no memory issues? So is this a 14 year old issue that really isn't an issue that now has been fixed? Got it.

      Shhhhh, don't mess with Firefox's "we're lean and mean" narrative.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    2. Re:14 year old bug huh? by roca · · Score: 1

      We are relatively lean and mean compared to other browsers, but that doesn't mean "no memory issues", of course. So enough with the straw men.

    3. Re:14 year old bug huh? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

      We are relatively lean and mean compared to other browsers, but that doesn't mean "no memory issues", of course. So enough with the straw men.

      FF used to be lean and mean, but honestly, there is no way I can say that with a straight face now. I still like FF, but with all the crap packed into it by default, "lean and mean" just doesn't apply.

      Is it still the best browser out there? Maybe, but I feel it's gone downhill in the last 10 ~20 releases. There's no denying it, and this bullshit memory issue has been plaguing for a long, long time.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    4. Re:14 year old bug huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're not. You have, in all seriousness, been losing OpenBSD users to Chromium for a couple years or so because Firefox routinely crashes on OOM under the default ulimits.

    5. Re:14 year old bug huh? by Malc · · Score: 1

      Memory consumption and monolithic process drove me off to Chrome and Safari years ago. I see the Electrolysis project is now targeting the end of the year, but I'm not going to hold my breath considering how long they've been promising it.

    6. Re:14 year old bug huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is pale moon a variant that pulls out some of that crap.

  46. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your IP address is on a DNSBL, then any attempt to communicate with systems behind it will fail. Your hosts file will do nothing, you would have to change your IP or use a proxy.

  47. Memory hog by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After a few hours of use with, say, ~10 tabs open, Firefox 40.0.3 leaks memory until it's using 2.6G of RAM, at which point it randomly stops loading images, gets very, very laggy, and freezes for ~30 seconds at a time.

    I hope this fixes that (I fail to see how it could make it any worse, frankly).

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    1. Re:Memory hog by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      I had a problem the last time I was streaming video. There was a gap of several seconds between each item in the playlist, for reasons I could not discern. I had copied everything to a local drive (not pulling it from the NAS box) ahead of time for this exact reason, yet here it was doing it.

      It turned out to be the browser -- 64-bit Pale Moon in this particular case -- using 6.5 GB of RAM, making my machine thrash swap (I have 8 GB). Now I know to close and re-start the browser before streaming if it has been active more than a few hours.

      --
      How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
    2. Re:Memory hog by idbeholda · · Score: 1

      It probably won't. I seem to recall FF having specific issues with memory leaks around 2006/7, which is when I stopped using it, once it became apparent they weren't going to fix said "It's-not-a-bug-it's-a-feature"-memory leak issue. Don't even get me started about the 32-bit compiler issue. 14 years later...

    3. Re:Memory hog by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I have 6G installed and everything was fine up until Firefox 30 or so.....then it all started to become sucktastically bad.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    4. Re:Memory hog by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I hear you...I'm thinking it's time to find a new browser. FF used to be great, now...not so much.

      --
      Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
    5. Re:Memory hog by dejitaru · · Score: 1

      ooohhhh.... so you're the reason pocket became a 'feature' since you can save pages w/ it :p

    6. Re:Memory hog by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      I suppose I should put a time frame on this so people have some idea what era of Pale Moon build I'm discussing. My swap-thrash incident is a whopping 13 days old now. I was streaming to ConnectCast at the time, and getting more than my usual number of decompression burps (where everything goes gray or green until the next keyframe), but didn't think to suspect the browser until I loaded up Task Manager in desperation.

      I have a feeling it wouldn't have made that much difference if I had 16 GB of RAM rather than 8. It just would have postponed things a few hours, and possibly have made the thrashing twice as bad once it did set in. Maybe this is why Windows builds of Firefox are still 32 bit, they want to compartmentalize the damage a little bit.

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    7. Re:Memory hog by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

      Are the fonts always that hideous on your OS (whatever it is) or have you customized them to look ugly as fuck?

      --
      Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
  48. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read. That's not the scenario described. Noticed Coren22 disappeared. Gosh! Wonder why (lol, not).

  49. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by idbeholda · · Score: 1

    -1. I see a lot of angry /./FF fangurlz. If I had to make a guess, it's because they didn't come up with a post containing an in-depth analysis and screenshots first.

  50. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your described scenario had nothing to do with DNSBL. Stop trying to change the subject.

    Did you even read any of the links provided for DNSBL? I'm guessing you didn't because you think you know it all, which makes you both stupid and ignorant. You are simply incapable of learning anything because you refuse to admit that you're wrong.

  51. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can your magic HOSTS file block
            vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
            settings-win.data.microsoft.com
    on Windows 10 that Microsoft doesn't let you block?

    No, but a firewall can, aww poor APK. Your hosts file is pretty but useless in that regard.

  52. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I know or care? Also, you're still avoiding the subject of DNSBL.

  53. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk's point and example are correct. They can block at DNS level but hosts can get you past it. DNS Block List is such a block. Play all the word games you like you're just loathe to admit apk got the best of you again Coren22 by ac post.

  54. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 by ac, you still avoiding apk's question here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ? Yes.

  55. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 by ac post now: You still avoiding apk's fair question here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ? Yes.

  56. Re:Been there/done that (ALL that) by MyAlternateID · · Score: 3

    I actually ENJOY watching these troll worms flail all over, blowing all their modpoints (& I just run them dry of them eventually via my UNLIMITED posting abilities here, unlike other ac posters).

    So you you put some effort into being a spammer (boast about it in fact) and you admit that you like disrupting the normal functioning of this site.

    Did you ever ask yourself, "are these the actions of a happy, fulfilled person who has a meaningful life?" You're a pest and you like being a pest. The irony? You have done more to give your hosts program a bad name than anything anyone else could have possibly said.

  57. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

    FTFY - You're just another can't code himself critic with nothing to show for himself since if you really didn't give a shit you wouldn't even reply. Thanks for projecting that much that you do give a shit.

    So ... are you going to respond to anything I said, or are you going to keep acting like a spoiled child?

  58. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Until hosts can be enabled/disabled for specific programs it is worthless as a security tool.

    It also doesn't work on spammers not using a domain name, nor does it handle wildcards.

    It does however, make you a giant tool.

  59. Far from it when I remove the tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TO REMOVE THE BOGUS OPTIONAL TELEMETRY HOTFIXES MANUALLY:

    Open command prompt
    Type powershell
    issue these commands

    ---

    TO SEE WHAT ONES ARE INSTALLED:

    get-hotfix -id KB3035583, KB2952664,KB2976978,KB3021917,KB3044374,KB2990214

    ---

    TO UNINSTALL THEM (these for sure, per url next below):

    wusa /uninstall /kb:3035583
    wusa /uninstall /kb:2952664
    wusa /uninstall /kb:2976978
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3021917
    wusa /uninstall /kb:3044374
    wusa /uninstall /kb:2990214

    per http://www.ghacks.net/2015/04/...

    ---

    DESCRIPTIONS OF EACH (these uninstalled properly):

    KB3068708 (Telemetry)
    KB3075249 (Telemetry)
    KB3080149 (Telemetry)

    KB3022345 (Telemetry)
    KB2977759 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
    KB3021917 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparatioon + Telemetry)
    KB3035583 (Windows 10 upgrade preparation)

    ---

    I GOT "NOT INSTALLED ON THIS COMPUTER" ON THESE INITIALLY SINCE I HAD IE11 installed (PROBABLY ONES FOR IE9/10/11 &/or Windows 10 (I use Win7 here)):

    KB3075249
    KB3080149
    KB2505438
    * KB2670838 (See IE 9/10/11 notes below)
    KB3044374
    KB2990214 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation)
    KB2505438 (Although it claims to fix performance issues, it often breaks fonts)
    KB2976978 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation)

    ---

    I GOT "NOT INSTALLED ON THIS COMPUTER" ON THESE (*PRIOR* TO PULLING KB2670838):

    * KB2670838 (This update often breaks AERO on Windows 7 and makes some fonts on websites fuzzy. A Windows 7 specific update only
                            (do not install IE10 or 11 otherwise it will be bundled with them, IE9 is the max version you should install to avoid this).

    THESE RE-APPEAR AFTER UNINSTALLING IE11 RIGHT ON RESTARTING & CHECKING WINDOWS UPDATE:

    * KB2952664 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation prior to IE9/10/11 install)
    * KB3021917 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation prior to IE9/10/11 install)
    * KB3068708 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation prior to IE9/10/11 install)
    * KB3092627 (Windows 10 Upgrade preparation prior to IE9/10/11 install)

    ---

    run cmd as administrator

    sc stop Diagtrack
    sc delete Diagtrack

    ---

    *Task Scheduler Library:

    Everything under "Application Experience"
    Everything under "Autochk"
    Everything under "Customer Experience Improvement Program"
    Under "Disk Diagnostic" only the "Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector"
    Under "Maintenance" "WinSAT"
    "Media Center" and click the "status" column, then select all non-disabled entries and disable them.

    *services.msc:

    "Remote Registry" to "Disabled" instead of "Manual".

    ---

    IMPORTANT ONE IS GROUP POLICY (gpedit.msc):

    Go to Control Panel, Administrative Templates, System
    Internet Communication Management, Internet Communication Settings

    ENABLE (to turn it on, it is a disabler)

    "Turn off Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program"

    (IF YOU HAVE Windows "home" (less than Pro models), export the section of the registry involved from a Pro system & merge the .reg file you exported - should work well enough to do the job here for those of you using that lesser model of Windows)

    APK

    P.S.=> & it works perfectly - no more tracking to worry about, + I don't even need a firewall rule for it since it's "gone w/ the dawn" thus... apk

    1. Re:Far from it when I remove the tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a long method of saying your HOSTS file failed?

    2. Re:Far from it when I remove the tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yours is the short way of proving what I see: Apk's systematically kicking the crap out of you trolls + adblock/ublock with it too. Bonus!

    3. Re:Far from it when I remove the tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You gave up on arguing and went straight to name calling?
      Apk I said Windows 10, not Windows 7, so:

      Can your magic HOSTS file block
                      vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
                      settings-win.data.microsoft.com
      on Windows 10 that Microsoft doesn't let you block?

    4. Re:Far from it when I remove the tracking by dave420 · · Score: 1

      So the answer is "No - my HOSTS file solution can't block that".

      Hell, your hosts solution can't tell the difference between:

      http://content-provider.com/in...

      and

      http://content-provider.com/ho...

      This is why people laugh at you.

    5. Re:Far from it when I remove the tracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You trolls can't argue apk's right and downmodded him to try hide this http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and removal of Win7 tracking is easy to do. You fail as usual stupid.

  60. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're completely off topic. Nobody's going to give you their time of day since you are.

  61. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see them minusmod apk but no valid technical reasons why proving they can't prove apk wrong on anything in his posts on hosts.

  62. Re:Been there/done that (ALL that) by MyAlternateID · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get on topic. Do something useful like apk has in his program. You can't prove his points on hosts wrong either. I suppose I for one expect too much from you slashdot trolls. You don't possess the skills to do either one, so go away troll, shoo. I think it's hilarious how apk makes you fools go nuts but you never ever prove him validly technically wrong. Not ever.

    That's the amazing thing about APK and his bootlicking myrmidons (like you). You just can't actually respond to what someone is saying. You read what they said, but you lack the argumentation skill to actually rebut it. Being childish, that causes you to feel like you really don't like that person. Unable to meaingfully respond and filled with your vitriol, all you can do is hand-wave, call names, and change the subject.

    If (for some strange reason) I wanted to, I could do that, too. What I couldn't do is act that way, and then convince myself that I am right and the other guy is a big dummy. That is a true masterwork of functional self-deception.

  63. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by MyAlternateID · · Score: 2

    You're welcome. I think it's funny when apk makes trolls go nuts when they can't prove him wrong.

    If by "go nuts" you mean laugh at how pathetic apk is, then yes, you've driven us stark raving mad. Of course "troll" is "anyone who doesn't agree with apk".

  64. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

    Why's Coren22 avoiding a simple question here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ?

    APK and his myrmidons are the masters of never answering a simple question. While congratulating themselves for being such great debators. More like master debators the way they enjoy their little circle-jerk.

  65. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by MyAlternateID · · Score: 2

    DNS Blocking isn't the same thing as DNS BL, stop backpedaling.

    APK and his myrmidon supporters don't backpedal. Backpedaling when it's obvious you are wrong requires honesty, integrity, and a concern for what the truth is. It also requires the courage to admit fault and the grace to want to.

    Expecting APK and his myrmidons to do that is like expecting a cockroach to appreciate opera. It's far beyond their reach.

  66. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by MyAlternateID · · Score: 1

    Coren22 by ac, you still avoiding apk's question here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ? Yes.

    The same way APK and his little fanboys are avoiding mine. And this one too. It's as though they realize that any honest answer would make them look bad.

  67. Will people update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that soon Firefox will kill its plugin system. I have disabled Firefox. Time for a new browser.

  68. Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's some that are QUITE contrary to yours from /. users + experts in the field:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    &

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    ---

    * Let's see - a TOP antimalware company hosts AND RECOMMENDS my ware, & real users here like it (vs. an unidentifiable ac like you) - you're outnumbered, outthought, & OUTSMARTED, easily as usual, by "yours truly"...

    APK

    P.S.=> So, that "all said & aside": You've written a BETTER one? Prove it (of course, you can't - you're a no skills in computing useless trolling "ne'er-do-well" that can't even validly technically prove my points on hosts incorrect for Pete's sake - lol!)

    ... apk

    1. Re:Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether or not I've programmed anything has nothing to do with anything. I'm not much of a painter, for instance, but I can still recognize lousy art when I see it.

      Your Malware Bytes link isn't much of a recommendation. It literally says "this program will replace your hosts file for you"

      Note: If you aren't familiar with or are uncomfortable manually editing/replacing, the HOSTS file, I'd suggest using HostsMan or APK Hosts File Engine as these will do it all for you;

      Your AV-Test link doesn't mention 'apk' or 'host' anywhere in the page, so I'm not sure what that's supposed to prove or disprove.

      So, three commenters on Slashdot say that your program isn't lousy. Fair enough. I say it is lousy, and I haven't been proven wrong yet.

    2. Re:Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The great critic of code that can't code himself = you: What a laugh you are. Apk just crushed you with ease and you know it blowhard big talker that you are. Nobody cares about your opinion loser. You're an off topic jealous little loser and we all know it.

    3. Re:Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting an ad-hominem attack and trying to disguise yourself? Good try.

      I didn't critique your code, I said your program was lousy. Code quality doesn't even enter into it. Besides, saying I can't criticize a program unless I'm a programmer is fallacious at best. I'm not a carpenter, but I can recognize a poorly-built house. I'm not a chef, but I can tell when I've been served lousy food.

      You have crushed nothing, but keep trying.

    4. Re:Opinions vary... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You crushed yourself. Apk posts more credible capable believable people's opinions vs. yours http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and the post before it shows you using illogical ad hominem attacks that failed since you're just a stupid little done zero with your life troll.

    5. Re:Opinions vary... apk by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Do you really think we are so stupid to not know this is you? You have very apparent idiosyncrasies when you post as yourself, and you seem to have developed different (yet obvious) idiosyncrasies when posting as a sockpuppet-in-support. It's so patently obvious it's you, APK. It's so painfully obvious it's honestly sad. It's so sad that you have to pretend to be someone else in order to support your claims. It's as if you think the more people agree with a poor claim the less poor the claim is. Reality doesn't work like that, not that you seem to have a particularly good grasp of what "reality" means to most people.

  69. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why's Coren22 is avoiding this fair question from apk then http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ? Get on topic too while you're at it troll.

  70. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk's on topic with his question Coren22's running from. You're off topic and trolling.

  71. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you're Coren22 posting by ac

    Sorry, you are wrong about that too.

    You claim you can get by a DNSBL with a hosts file edit. You have still yet to explain how that would work, because you don't even know what a DNSBL is. Now that you've been exposed, you're trying to weasel out of your argument by changing the subject and attempting to toss in red herrings.

    Not only are you uninformed, but you also lack the ability to educate yourself.

  72. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Play all the word games you like

    I'll take that as tacit admission that you don't know what a DNSBL is. Thanks for finally confessing.

    You also really ought to stop referring to yourself in the third person. It sounds strange to native speakers of the English language.

  73. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Stay on topic. Explain how your hosts file gets around DNSBL

  74. Re:Still uses more than hosts & does less by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I was trying to find the point of your post but I got distracted by all of the random punctuation and bolding. I'm sure you have a point there, but you definitely do like to bury it in sugary fluff. Consider focusing more on the content that you want to get across and less on trying to point out what that content is. Good writing doesn't need to point out the point. Bolding half your post has the side effect of making the un-bolded parts seem unimportant.

    --
    "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
  75. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you calling the Lord of Hosts a spammer?

  76. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    APK has been owned over, and over, and over. Yet he still keeps repeating the same talking points as if this hasn't happened.

    He must be a politician.

  77. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk made it simple to understand by example he's right on when he made Coren22 run here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  78. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by alexgieg · · Score: 1

    Does the hosts file allow me to very finely grainedly tune which servers are allowed or denied contact depending on the server I'm contacting that requested the contents?

    Does it allow me to unblock ads on specific sites in which I [i]want[/i] ads to appear?

    Does it allow me to block a specific visual area of a specific webpage only, and nothing else?

    Does it allow me to block contents from a specific directory within a server, but not from other directories?

    Does it allow me to completely unblock a server when I access it directly, but block it when I access it indirectly from other sources?

    Does it allow me to make changes on the fly, without the need to manually refresh the OS's and/or browser's DNS cache?

    Does it allow me to intercept the contents of specific servers and rewrite the HTML contents on the fly according automated rules I myself define?

    If the answer to any of the above questions is "no", then your solution doesn't attend my needs, while uBlock Origin does.

    --
    Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
  79. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't matter if it's true or not. Posting the same thing repeatedly is the exact definition of spamming!

    If by some miracle you found yourself without hands one day, the world would be a better place for not seeing all your spam!

  80. Re: Awww, "poo lil' trolls" downmods failing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude, just shut the fuck up. Nobody cares about your dumb-ass hosts file.

  81. Re: Awww, "poo lil' trolls" downmods failing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk projecting! You evidently do, why else reply? Truth hurts?? Yes http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  82. Why? AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  83. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has great reasons for it, he knows how to do it and why here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and I agree and I'd do the same were that pulled on me and I knew how to do what apk does.

  84. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk! The guy who's kicking the snot out of all you trolls and here's why http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  85. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it hilarious you "big brains of /." can't get the better of apk and you can't prove his points on hosts wrong. Apk runs roughshod over you all easily.

  86. Re: Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, apk's myrmidon's have no existence in real life, just more little ant-men running round his head.

  87. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate to burst your bubble but it's easy to ignore a person of the common clay like apk. I ignore him and jump passed anything he has to say. Just like I do on another forum that I read where there is a moron just like apk, except this person loves VW.

  88. Re:Been there/done that & don't give advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's not a program it's a hostfile.

  89. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Cito · · Score: 2

    Hosts files won't work in Windows 10

    That's been squashed.

    Use DD-WRT on your router, install auto daily blocklist update. Now no devices on network including mobile devices will never see any ads.

  90. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by dave420 · · Score: 1

    And you are pretending to be someone else in defense of yourself, because you have no supporters. You're off topic and insane. I look forward to you stalking all my comments and replying to them with some banal, insane challenge you think is awesomely important but everyone else finds childish and, well, sad.

  91. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by dave420 · · Score: 1

    The answer to each and every one of those is a resounding "no". APK will most likely ignore those, or issue a challenge (which ignores those points) and pretend that is the important thing. Oh, and expect him to stalk your comments and post comments purporting to be from other people asking why you are running away from the challenge. He's very predictable.

  92. Great! So now they can continue fixing ... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 3, Interesting
    ... all the other 14-20 year old bugs.

    Any idea why it took them so long?

  93. 14 Year old bug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When a bug is old enough to get a driver's license, you know that shit got real...

  94. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You prove yourself wrong every single time you fail to respond to points raised, for example, about about wildcards and many other flaws.

    Yes, I said "you".

    Please, waste your time replying to this, because I will *certainly* read it!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):)

    Moron.

  95. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi, apk. You know, even when you shorten your posts, it's still quite evident that it's you posting. So ... fuck off.

  96. Re:Glad you got a +4: Why? I get to do THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off, apk.

  97. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off, apk. Really. Far away.

  98. Awww, "poo lil' trolls" downmods failing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You downmod me w/out proving me validly technically wrong so I repost nullifying your 1 effete "weapon" in the abused downmoderations AS well as making you "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from disproving points I put out on hosts - thanks trolls!

    I won't let you little WORMS hide my posts & you KNOW you're running dry of those abused modpoints too... lol, & I CAN GO ON "BUSTIN' YOU UP" ALL NIGHT if I have to... it's fun, crushing you whimps... lol!!!

    * :)

    Why do I just ALWAYS win? Heck - because YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID, lol.... truth!

    (Gotta hand it to you boys - you make ME look GOOD... & yourselves, by way of comparison? LMAO - well, "not so good"... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, you just KNOW that I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do (per my own "inimitable style"):

    THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always IS vs. shills for inferior SOLD OUT crippled by default browser addon dimwit fans that use a bolted on "MoAr" that does less - lol, illogical as hell, but nobody can EVER accuse you fools of being intelligent... lol, that's certain!

    ... apk

  99. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  100. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  101. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  102. Quoting Coren22 (gonna downmod it again?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Did you admit I was doing hosts update the ONLY way possible in code (something you don't know how to do obviously, along with thinking for yourself)?

    * YES, you did... you fail as always!

    APK

    P.S.=> What I do in blocking KNOWN BAD SITES in hosts IS a good security measure - or didn't even Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET agree with me it is here too -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    ?

    YES HE DID - a REAL security pro, not a "wannabe" bullshitter like yourself... apk

  103. I wrote the code, SO well that... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    * You've done BETTER, bullshitter?

    (Prove it - you can't, & THAT truly, IS that... lol! You don't have the talent, skills, or security understanding for it moron...)

    APK

    P.S.=> By the way menial: I wrote that entire codebase myself, by hand from scratch, & yes - ALL MY CODE + all roughly 30,000 lines of it!

    Yes I work w/ good guys in the security community providing THEIR lists but I have my own ontop of theirs that I add roughly 100-200 sites each day to my hosts file from (that are bad OR adbanners, spam/phish sources, trackers, etc. added to hosts, everyday, myself)!

    See - I have their respect, best in the business - YOU? Don't, lol... apk

  104. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  105. AdBlock+ = inferior & 'souled-out' vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  106. Get on topic troll loser... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject:Until you've done a better program than I have & you're on topic? You're just another off topic forums troll loser - AND YOU KNOW IT!

    Face fact:

    The fact nobody can prove my points wrong PROVES I've architected & coded a BETTER solution overall that does FAR more w/ FAR LESS!

    PLUS:

    I actually ENJOY watching these troll worms flail all over, blowing all their modpoints (& I just run them dry of them eventually via my UNLIMITED posting abilities here, unlike other ac posters).

    Once they run outta modpoints to abuse *trying* to "hide" my posts (most here see them anyhow since most here browse well below the +1 easily abused so-called "moderation threshold" here)?

    Then the off topic ad hominem attacks of theirs that fail out of frustration, start, & make me laugh, KNOWING they're frustrated & can't stop me then (their 1 effete 'weapon' in the unjustifiable abused downmod is gone courtesy of "yours truly" - & I'm probably doing some other slob a favor so they can't do it to him too...).

    * It's fun - & technically limited DOLTS or not?

    They help me strengthen my points in favor of hosts adding speed, security, reliability, & even added anonymity - so much so, they can't TOUCH those points!

    APK

    P.S.=> I love it - they're USEFUL dolts to me (not much of a challenge, but useful) - & all they do is make ME look GOOD (since all they have is abused unjustifiable downmods but no proving my points on hosts validly technically wrong)... apk

  107. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by alexgieg · · Score: 1

    The worst is, his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources. Too bad APK doesn't get that different people have different needs and there's no such thing as "one size fits all".

    --
    Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
  108. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    If you send me an email, and my mail server is using a DNSBL, my server will get a response such as 127.0.0.5, this would indicate that you send spam (true...), and therefore my email server would drop the email you sent. Please explain how your hosts file will get around DNSBL now, as it isn't something under your control.

    The last digit in the response usually corresponds to the reason that the mail server was blacklisted in some of the DNSBL providers. The RFC calls for the reason to be in a TXT field though.

    If you don't believe me, do a Google search for DNSBL and see what it returns, it surely won't return what you are saying.

    If Slashdot's mail server used a DNSBL, you would never even know your email was refused, it would not reach timothy, he wouldn't even know you had sent an email. Your hosts file will never get around it.

    11.) Get you by dnsbl

    This is a false statement. If you meant it to say DNS Blocking, than change it to that in your future spam.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf...

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  109. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    NO. Read above under your original posting of this. I didn't respond as I was no longer reading Slashdot. I don't spend 16 hours a day on Slashdot.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  110. I don't just think you're stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject do-nothing Dave420: I KNOW YOU'RE STUPID, you in particular -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... since you "Run, Forrest:RUN!!!" from validly technically proving my points on hosts wrong - it can't be done (& certainly NOT by the mega-cretin "likes of you", you off topic little troll worm!).

    * :)

    (All you fools have is your "downmods" that are abused since there's NOTHING WRONG with my posts @ all, they're on the topic @ hand UNLIKE YOU - you can't touch them, or me - as far as your downmods? Look around - I just reposted OVER THEM ALL as usual!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Keep blowing those modpoints till you run dry of them loser - you will, & I'll still have my posts out unhidden, lol... I win, as always... apk

  111. Re:Let's quote you Coren22 by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Does your software require elevation, of course it does, that was my point, not yours. I was making the point that elevation is a bad idea, and it is required to write to the hosts file because you shouldn't be writing to the hosts file. If you take that to mean that I am agreeing with you, you really do have an odd mind.

    I am not agreeing with you, that was my original statement, and the whole basis of the argument. Ad Block Plus requires no elevation, it therefore cannot install trojans, it cannot hijack your DNS entry in networking to redirect it to another site possibly effecting a MiTM attack, it cannot change anything your standard user account can't access. Also, it can be installed to machines where you aren't an administrator, such as work computers.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  112. Aww, "poo lil' trolls'" downmod points gone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: Yes, they are & I've exhausted them, running you DRY of your PUNY little "weapon" but you NEVER ever prove my points on hosts validly technically wrong! Not ever...

    Yet You losers downmod me w/out proving me validly technically wrong so I repost nullifying your 1 effete "weapon" in the abused downmoderations AS well as making you "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from disproving points I put out on hosts - thanks trolls!

    I won't let you little WORMS hide my posts & you KNOW you're running dry of those abused modpoints too... lol!

    (... & I CAN GO ON "BUSTIN' YOU UP" ALL NIGHT if I have to... it's fun, crushing you whimps... lol!!!)

    * :)

    Why do I just ALWAYS win? Heck - because YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID, lol.... truth!

    (Gotta hand it to you boys - you make ME look GOOD... & yourselves, by way of comparison? LMAO - well, "not so good"... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Now, you just KNOW that I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do (per my own "inimitable style"):

    THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always IS vs. shills for inferior SOLD OUT crippled by default browser addon dimwit fans that use a bolted on "MoAr" that does less - lol, illogical as hell, but nobody can EVER accuse you fools of being intelligent... lol, that's certain!

    ... apk

  113. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where? Show us! You can't & downmodded last time I asked you do so http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    I've never seen anyone get the best of apk. You prove you're full of it since you couldn't in that link above yet again!

    In fact, Apk made you trolls run here again http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... minusmods to hide his fair challenge since you can't meet it as always, hahahahaha

  114. I merely state facts nobody can disprove by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & answer this: Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dnsbl
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

    1. Re:I merely state facts nobody can disprove by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

      All you said is true. However, I WANT Google Ads shown in three specific sites AND blocked in all other sites. Does "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" allow me to do this?

      If I cannot unblock Google Ads in those three sites AND blocked in all others, if my only options with "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" is to block Google Ads in all sites or not block them in any site, then I won't be able to use it, no matter how good "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" is in everything else.

      So, can "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" do what I need it to do? Is it flexible enough to do what I need it to do?

      --
      Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
  115. WRONG: It'd get me to /. past dns blocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & clue: If I don't USE dns, you don't get blocked by it & hosts do that!

    Yes, Coren22 - it's THAT simple, & you FAIL again as usual vs. myself.

    E.G. (again):

    DNS blocks slashdot.org? Ok, fine - I put this in hosts

    216.34.181.45 slashdot.org

      & guess what?

    THAT GETS ME TO SLASHDOT REGARDLESS OF DNS BLOCKING & FASTER THAN REMOTE DNS COULD SINCE I AM RESOLVING LOCALLY FROM RAM HERE (hosts is cached) WHICH ALSO AIDS RELIABILITY vs. REDIRECT POISONED DNS or DOWNED DNS too!

    * You're either a PITIFUL bullshitter or STUPID AS HELL if you don't acknowledge the TRUTH of that from me...

    APK

    P.S.=> Coren22, wiping you out is cake, every SINGLE time you try to "troll" me - why? You're stupid... the above evidences it easily in fact - NO questions asked... apk

    1. Re:WRONG: It'd get me to /. past dns blocks by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If Slashdot's mail server is using a DNSBL, you WILL NOT be able to send them an email. Therefore, the answer is no. If you try to change the definition of DNSBL, you can make it pink instead of what it is, but that doesn't change what everyone else says DNSBL is.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Therefore, yes I agree you do fail, you are wrong, you should go home and pout.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:WRONG: It'd get me to /. past dns blocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  116. Re:Glad you got a +4: Why? I get to do THIS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" hahahahaha

  117. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're all weak running from apk's question (just downmodding it to hide it) http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and we're all laughing at your antics. The "big brains of /." crushed easily by apk and fact. Hahahahaha @ U loser.

  118. I can't take you seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're off topic and can't prove apk wrong here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... all you do is downmod posts that are backed by facts since somehow apk's superior design upsets your agenda (mr. advertiser obviously). So he just posts again making you blow through all your modpoints you abuse since you can't prove him wrong, and apk just makes you all look doubly stupid and weak too. It's hilarious how apk makes you fools dance to his tune!

  119. I coded a program: It creates the best hosts file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & adds speed, security, + reliability, doing more with less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues - obtaining its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community - using something you already have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR' that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overuse overheads & actually SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocking + locally cached in RAM favorites placed @ the TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed), whereas by way of comparison, other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOW YOU DOWN!

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"...

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  120. No supporters, Dave420? "eat your words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More credible believable ones vs. you "ne'er-do-well" http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and here's another http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... so you have to "eat your words" again, you trolling "ne'er-do-well" little fool... lol!

    * :)

    Hundreds on this site alone use hosts, & MILLIONS worldwide are using my program!

    (So much demand for it that malwarebytes' hpHosts admin HAD TO MOVE THE SITE HOSTING MY PROGRAM to Amazon UnDDoS'able servers due to such demand for it in downloads & the data it draws!)

    (How's it taste, "eating your words"?)

    APK

    P.S.=> Against me, you REALLY ought to consider changing your diet: "Eating your words" != GOOD nutrition, lol... apk

  121. Yes easily... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you right click on the trayicon for the program IF you leave it resident (which doubly protects hosts vs. alteration by malware by the way, over WFP/SFP in Windows since it CAN be bypassed), it has an "enable/disable hosts" functionality, 1 click easy...

    Thus, allowing you to easily see ads IF you wish!

    * Why WOULD you WANT TO man? Ads are KNOWN to INFECT you-> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... & this -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... & they also TRACK YOU!

    APK

    P.S.=> Those same ads also steal your bandwidth that YOU PAY FOR man... apk

    1. Re:Yes easily... apk by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      If you right click on the trayicon for the program IF you leave it resident (which doubly protects hosts vs. alteration by malware by the way, over WFP/SFP in Windows since it CAN be bypassed), it has an "enable/disable hosts" functionality, 1 click easy...

      When I'm browsing I usually have 60 tabs opened at the same time. Five or so of those tabs are sites I want to see Google Ads in. The other 55 tabs are sites I don't want to see them. Also, among these 55 tabs a few are self-reloading tabs.

      From your explanation, I understand that the "enable/disable hosts" button is global. It enables all protection, or it disables all protection. In other words, all the 60 tabs, particularly the self-reloading ones, will become unprotected and begin loading all scripts and all ads from all ad networks after as I press the "disable hosts" button. And all 60 tabs, including those I want to see Google Ads in, will become 100% protected and not load any ad at all after I press the "enable hosts" button. Is this interpretation of mine correct?

      If I interpreted it correctly, this is not what I want.

      I want to be able to disable the protection against Google Ads only in those 5 specific tabs. At the same time, I want Google Ads to be fully and completely blocked in all the other 55 tabs, including those tabs that self-reload every few seconds. Also, want all other ad networks and tracking scripts blocked in all 60 tabs. And I don't want to be obliged to remember to press a button in a tray icon to enable and disable ads at will, I want this process automated.

      Can "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" provide this level of granularity, finely tunned controls, and automation, so that I can set it and forget it, having only those 5 tabs loading Google Ads while no other tab load Google Ads at all?

      Why WOULD you WANT TO man?

      Because there are a few sites that I like a lot that earn their living that way. That's how I pay for them.

      --
      Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
  122. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truth's truth no matter who posts it and you can handle or stop it http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... you unidentifiable little trolling coward. Since you're posting ac it's obvious you applied the abused downmods to apk's post since you can't prove it wrong http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and you're only helping prove him right in your childish easily circumvented downmod antics. Apk just reposts again. He can do it and makes you look doubly like the weak fools you evidence yourselves to be.

  123. What's it taste like "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your diet: Eating your words != Good Nutrition Dave420 http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  124. What's it taste like "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your diet: Eating your words != Good Nutrition Dave420 http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... and apk's already proven hosts do a lot more for people than inefficient slower higher overheads crippled by default sold out browser addons do by miles and not just against ads stupid, but also against malware of most kinds if not all. You did better? No. You're just a trolling "ne'er-do-well" unskilled little loser with a BAD diet (hahahaha see above, and don't wonder why everyone laughs at your Dope smokin Dave. Your post history proves that much).

  125. What's it taste like "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your diet: Eating your words != Good Nutrition Dave420 http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  126. What's it taste like "eating your words"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Change your diet: Eating your words != Good Nutrition Dave420 http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

  127. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I dunno, I find it kind of funny when someone's toddler gets a hold of their tablet and posts gibberish. I'm impressed though, there were a few real words and almost some sentences in that! Monkeys with typewriters, I guess.

  128. Moving the goal posts? It's not about email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" troll, you FAIL -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * That's just "what you do/how you roll" - pure fail, lol!

    (It's always a pleasure making you eat my dust AND your words too, lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> What's it like knowing you can't validly technically disprove points I post on hosts' superiority & providing users with more security, speed, reliability, & even anonymity vs. inferior less efficient & less capable slower usermode browser addons (vs. hosts in kernelmode getting more CPU service)? Horrible, isn't it?? You only do it to yourself - you're a puny ant attempting to attack (& failing miserably everytime no less) a whale in myself - losing, badly, @ every turn... apk

  129. Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET puts you away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet you admit using privelege elevation yourself Coren22. Hypocrite pot calling a kettle black & real SECURITY experts in Mr. Aryeh Goretsky (not wannabe amateurs like YOU) even STATED hosts are a valuable line of defense -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    * Are YOU, the "wannabe security guru" who merely reads what others wrote & can't THINK for himself, going to say "YOUR EXPERTISE" (non-existent - I'm one of the folks who INVENT things for menials like YOU, like my hosts program, to use, user - without which YOU ARE HELPLESS & LOST) is BETTER than his is & folks ought to "trust you" over him?

    You even said once "I know nothing about security" - you little twat - I was securing systems AND WRITING GUIDES HOW TO DO IT, probably before YOU were born... & I create wares that really work for better security.

    You? Don't. Period.

    APK

    P.S.=> Well? apk

  130. It's not about email Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit moving the goalposts & answer my question yes or no http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * :)

    (You'd HAVE to answer "YES" since it works to circumvent DNS blocking AND it's faster than remote DNS by far, as well as protection vs. them being downed PLUS it makes your connection more reliable (vs. DNS poisonings etc.)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Face facts: As usual? I've eaten you alive, rather easily, using facts... apk

    1. Re:It's not about email Coren22 by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The answer to your questions is:

      You said DNSBL in your list of items that your hosts file prevents/gets around.
      DNSBL is not the same thing as DNS Blocking, they are totally different technologies.
      I don't care what mythical scenario you come up with, hosts will never get you past DNSBL.
      You can make your own personal definition of DNSBL be pink if you want, it doesn't change the rest of the world's definition of DNSBL.

      So, the answer is NO, it will not stop being no just because of your wishful thinking. When you are willing to stop for a minute and read about what a DNSBL is, then maybe you will learn something, but until then you are just being a troll.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    2. Re:It's not about email Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mere quibbling wordplay. Wikipedia says otherwise "Domain Name System Blocking, or DNS Blocking is a strategy for making it difficult for users to locate specific domains or web sites on the Internet" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and you ran from answering apk's very simple question even I know YES is the answer to here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and that says it all Coren22. You fail. You trolled him first and repeatedly fucked up Coren22. Yes, I've seen the post where it's all consolidated. Big fun. Amusing at your expense.

    3. Re:It's not about email Coren22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  131. Re:WRONG Coren22... apk by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Since when did these two things become the same thing?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... =/= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    You said DNSBL, not DNS blocking, they are different things used for different purposes.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  132. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except the post you linked doesn't discuss DNSBL at all. Try again.

  133. Re: Try a session manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can probably change this by editing Firefox's session preferences.

    Try these settings in about:config

    browser.sessionhistory.max_entries = 1
    browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers = 1
    browser.sessionstore.max_tabs_undo = 1
    browser.sessionstore.interval = 1000000

    http://blog.codefront.net/2008/09/10/optimize-firefoxs-memory-usage-by-tweaking-session-preferences/
    http://www.grmtech.com/blog/desktop-configuration-at-grmtech/

    You could also try the Session Manager extension:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/session-manager/

  134. Re:WRONG Coren22... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apk explained a network admin can migrate them to user machines. You even had to ask apk how it's done. They can you know. He proved real security pros like NOD32 ESET people agreed hosts are a good security measure. Not an amateur noobie wannabe like you. A real security pro. Real security pros at malwarebytes' hpHosts recommend and host his sofware for security. You've done better? Prove it. You can't. You use privelege escalation yourself and said it's bad? You later admitted the only way he can update hosts in Windows is to use it and the user sets it himself knowing why to secure and speed up their machine. He said blocking at dns levels is circumventable by using hosts and not using dns and it's true. That's pretty easy to understand. You're foaming at the mouth he showed everyone here you're a moron is all. We can read you know. It's evident you can't and can't handle being schooled after you trolled the man and he blew you away.

  135. Re:WRONG Coren22... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  136. Re:Coren22, you really *are* stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  137. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  138. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn to read. I understood it fine. What's funniest is not a one of you prove apk wrong.

  139. Re: Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What have you done better in the way of a security program? Why can't you validly technically prove apk wrong?? We know why.

  140. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mere quibbling wordplay. Wikipedia says otherwise "Domain Name System Blocking, or DNS Blocking is a strategy for making it difficult for users to locate specific domains or web sites on the Internet" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and you ran from answering apk's very simple question even I know YES is the answer to here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and that says it all Coren22. You fail.

  141. Re:WRONG Coren22... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  142. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    APK is completely worthless.

  143. Re:Answer this Coren22 (yes or no answer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  144. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  145. Re:Coren22 WRONG: If I avoid DNS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  146. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  147. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  148. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shouldn't troll your betters Coren22. You got repeatedly smacked down http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & again http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & yet again http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

  149. It works, no questions asked... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: All or nothing across all apps multiplatform. Adblock can't (think programs like email ones like Outlook Express, Eudora, etc. that addons won't work with).

    * Hosts just do the job on more levels far more efficiently than limited bloating SOLD OUT browser addons do, with less resources consumed as you conceded/agreed to - that's all

    (I don't believe in "bolting on 'MoAr' that's less efficient & not as capable personally: Firewalls & hosts + patching are all you need vs. most if not all online threats - & messagepassing overheads, cpu + RAM use galore, along with being PAID OFF TO NOT DO THE SINGLE JOB addons had is a STUPID "moar" to use or believe in... period!)

    APK

    P.S.=> The internet worked JUST FINE before monetization. I held off on releasing my program (was done in 2003 as 1 single unified program, before that it was 3) out of respect for webmasters ONLY... however, once those NUMEROUS instances of ads INFECTING US came along? Here again:

    http://apple.slashdot.org/comm...

    &

    http://apple.slashdot.org/comm...

    Out the door she went... for the good of everyone - I find BOTH advertisers & webmasters negligent here in fact, infecting us AND stealing our bandwidth (and tracking us)...

    SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PAY THEM FOR THAT WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY FUCKING YOU OVER ON NUMEROUS LEVELS?... apk

    1. Re:It works, no questions asked... apk by alexgieg · · Score: 1

      All or nothing across all apps multiplatform.

      Then "APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit" isn't flexible enough for my needs. I guess I'll wait until you add the missing automation, granularity and fine tune controls then. Until then I'll keep using uBlock Origin, as it provides me with the features I need.

      SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO PAY THEM FOR THAT WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY FUCKING YOU OVER ON NUMEROUS LEVELS?

      I like their content, and I like the fact they earn enough from ads to be able to work full time in making this content and providing it.

      --
      Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
    2. Re:It works, no questions asked... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apk shows disabling hosts is easy in his program. Disable if you want ads (very dumb) enable when you don't.

  150. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't appear so to me. You guys can't prove him wrong on his posts and only downmod them.

  151. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you still trying to avoid the subject?

  152. Re: Try a session manager by perryizgr8 · · Score: 1

    This is bullshit. Your settings basically turn off session restore. I might as well switch to links. What is the point of using a modern browser if I have to turn off it's modern features?

    --
    Wealth is the gift that keeps on giving.
  153. Re:Oh, really? WRONG... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are you APK? Why haven't you explained how your hosts file gets around DNSBL?

  154. Adblock doesn't block all ads... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AlmostAllAdsBlock/AlmostAllAdsBlocked+ don't block all ads http://www.businessinsider.com... & don't do a fraction of what hosts do for more speed, security, reliability, + anonymity.

    * All the 'granularity in the world' doesn't matter when they don't do their job by default (& most people won't change that) - all the abilities addons lack (WHILE CONSUMING MORE RESOURCES FOR NO GOOD REASON & BEING REGEX SLOWER TOO) vs. hosts isn't good either when compared to what hosts do for you.

    APK

    P.S.=> If you want to go to places (places whose content you can easily find elsewhere as everyone has a competitor) & take your chances on ads INFECTING + TRACKING you as well as slowing you down? Be my guest - it's your life... apk

  155. Ask yourself these questions... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  156. Why're you avoiding answer this Coren22? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IF slashdot.org blocked @ DNS levels & I put 216.34.181.45 slashdot.org in my hosts file, will I reach slashdot?

    * YES or NO will do as your answer...

    Hell, you KNOW I'm right: How can I say that? Easy:

    Instead of answering YES, which you'd have to? YOU DOWNMODDED & RAN "Forrest" (just like the little "beyotch" noob you are) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> You're just (& you're MAKING me just HAVE to say this) "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" to blow away, every single time you try to "troll" me... lol, no joke!

    ... apk

  157. Compared to hosts it's missing a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    +

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  158. Ask yourself these questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    +

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  159. "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I avoid NOTHING from you loser, you ran from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... and downmodded it twice since you're unable to validly & technically prove me wrong (Mr. Coren22 sockpuppet).

    APK

    P.S.=> "MyAlternateID"? Give me a break Coren22, lol (your karma farming sockpuppet = "MyAlternateID" for abusing downmods is more like it)... apk

  160. Re:Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can APK Hosts also block the same spammy message being posted over and over again in forums like Slashdot?

    Note to self: send ABP and UBlock authors that as a potential feature enhancement.

  161. Coren22 "eats his words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Tell us another one, hypocrite - You admitted using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows, hmmm?

    ANSWER:

    I have to do it that way, to protect AND speed up users plus make their connections online more reliable!

    (The latter of which also functions to make users faster than adblocking alone, by resolving host-domain names to IP address from hosts cached in RAM locally - far faster than calling out to remote DNS & less complex + less overheads ridden vs. locally installed DNS (less power, & FAR LESS if done on a separate machine)).

    ---

    Aha! What's this Coren22 admits?

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    See subject & BOTH quotes from you contradicting yourself!

    (& a REAL security pro, Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... ).

    APK

    P.S.=> LMAO - "EAT YOUR WORDS" you hypocritical STUPID little technically incompetent troll wannabe security guru, lol - you're constantly trolling me, your post history shows it - NOW, you're getting a DOSE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE (How's it taste? Better than how "eating your words" does I bet!)

    ... apk

  162. Host hardcodes get by dns blocks fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Domain Name System Blocking, or DNS Blocking is a strategy for making it difficult for users to locate specific domains or web sites on the Internet" -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    * :)

    DOWNMODDING THIS TO HIDE IT LAST 4x I POSTED IT TOO?

    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    IF I am "so wrong", why do you come back DAYS LATER to try "hide" it then? You're trying to get me to remove a point from my list, not going to happen (since what I put below works per the definition above from wikipedia)... why??

    YOU WON'T FACE THIS SIMPLE QUESTION YOU HAVE TO ANSWER YES TO -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    You even STUPIDLY answered no, but when I put slashdot's address into hosts as a favorite @ the top of hosts (faster than remote dns & assures you get to the site properly even if DNS is down OR redirect poisoned) it works to avoid DNS blocking too:

    216.34.181.45 slashdot.org

    Since I NEVER HAVE TO ACCESS DNS TO DO IT, I avoid DNS totally (blocks OR being redirect poisoned or down too & it's FASTER also - multiple bonus!).

    I.E.-> When I avoid DNS (& all of its security issues like redirect poisonings + being used by malware via rogue DNS servers or open ones), I am also NOT SUBJECT to its blocklists!

    APK

    P.S.=> When will you little DOLT wannabes understand you're just NOT IN MY LEAGUE in the art & science of computing? Face facts - you lose... apk

  163. Still uses far more vs hosts & does far less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can adblock+ do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites/servers (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dynamic dns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phish
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you past a dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do all that & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu cycles + memory usage

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each above on ab+ doing it as well or @ ALL + hosts = already on every device natively.

    APK

    P.S.=> Ab+ does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried).

    ---

    Ab+'s 128mb memory inefficiency http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte... (hosts consume 3-11mb using my program initially).

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods!

    ---

    Ab+'s paid to not do its job http://www.businessinsider.com...

    ---

    Ab+ adds complexity from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's best?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model too https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk

  164. Get on topic troll, don't give advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject:... Until you've done a better program than I have? Don't give advice, Mr. OffTopic TROLL!

    Face fact:

    The fact nobody can prove my points wrong PROVES I've architected & coded a BETTER solution overall that does FAR more w/ FAR LESS!

    PLUS:

    I actually ENJOY watching these troll worms flail all over, blowing all their modpoints (& I just run them dry of them eventually via my UNLIMITED posting abilities here, unlike other ac posters).

    Once they run outta modpoints to abuse *trying* to "hide" my posts (most here see them anyhow since most here browse well below the +1 easily abused so-called "moderation threshold" here)?

    Then the off topic ad hominem attacks of theirs that fail out of frustration, start, & make me laugh, KNOWING they're frustrated & can't stop me then (their 1 effete 'weapon' in the unjustifiable abused downmod is gone courtesy of "yours truly" - & I'm probably doing some other slob a favor so they can't do it to him too...).

    * It's fun - & technically limited DOLTS or not?

    They help me strengthen my points in favor of hosts adding speed, security, reliability, & even added anonymity - so much so, they can't TOUCH those points!

    APK

    P.S.=> I love it - they're USEFUL dolts to me - good PUPPETS, lol, that I make dance to MY tune (not much of a challenge, but useful) - & all they do is make ME look GOOD (since all they have is abused unjustifiable downmods but no proving my points on hosts validly technically wrong)... apk

  165. You'd like this 4 custom hosts file creation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    FREE & not 'souled-out' to advertisers, + adds speed, security, & reliability, doing FAR more w/ FAR less, more efficiently vs. browser addons & locally installed DNS servers @ home + fixes DNS' redirect security issues!

    It obtains its data vs. online threats & adbanner blocking from 10 reputable sites in the security community!

    It SPEEDS YOU UP 2 ways (adblocking + locally cached in RAM favorites placed @ the TOP of hosts for fastest resolution speed), whereas by way of comparison, other "so-called security 'solutions'" SLOW YOU DOWN!

    It does all that using something you already have vs. "bolting on browser addons 'MOAR' in addons that's usermode slower & increases messagepassing, cpu + ram overuse overheads!

    * :)

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ---

    "The premise is quite simple: Take something designed by nature & reprogram it to make it work for the body rather than against it..." - Dr. Alice Krippen: "I am legend"...

    APK

    P.S.=> By "yours truly" - "The Lord of Hosts" so-to-speak:

    PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:

    "The image this title brings to mind is of a mighty military commander, one who can at a mere word summon rank upon rank of protective power" from https://answers.yahoo.com/ques... & THAT WORD = hosts!

    (Accept NO substitutes!)

    ...apk

  166. Make me laugh some more troll! apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You prove yourself weak unable to validly technically disprove this http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    FACT: (which you help prove no less)

    It's an example that shows your browser addons DON'T DO A FRACTION OF WHAT HOSTS CAN for added speed, security, reliability, & anonymity - period, AND hosts do so FOR FAR LESS RESOURCE CONSUMPTION & hosts aren't BRIBED (not Ublock, not yet, but AdBlock/AdBlock+ & Ghostery is bought out by advertisers & tracks you) to NOT WORK the SINGLE JOB THEY HAD (which hosts does FAR MORE than just that too) - blocking ALL ads!

    * :)

    (You FAIL loser... & you KNOW it!)

    ---

    THIS "TOOK THE CAKE" OUTTA YOU & MADE ME HUGELY LAUGH:

    "Please, waste your time replying to this, because I will *certainly* read it!!!!!!!!!!!! :):):)" -

    I know, & you came back 8 DAYS LATER to downmod it http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...

    Much to your dismay since as you can see? I just repost nullifying your 1 effete 'weapon' easily & I get you to blow all your modpoints getting you to run DRY of them!

    (Dolt, who's the moron here? YOU ARE! I "burn" you @ EVERY turn... lol!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Fact: You little ridiculous weak little wannabes make me laugh & HELP prove my points for me with your antics (especially the bogus downmods - but as usual, I outskill you, being able to post as much as I like, lol, which lets me override your little abused downmods since you can't prove me wrong & try "hide" my posts of fact that back me - I just repost, letting you BLOW YOUR MODPOINTS away till you run DRY of them & guess what? I win - I always do vs. you weak worms!)... apk

  167. Ublock = inferior & inefficient vs. hosts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can ublock do 16 things hosts do for speed, security, & reliability:

    1.) Protect vs. malicious sites (past ads)
    2.) Protect vs. fastflux botnets + stop C&C communique
    3.) Protect vs. dyndns botnets + stop C&C communique
    4.) Protect vs. DGA botnets + stop C&C communique
    5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (4 reliability)
    6.) Protect vs. redirect poisoned dns
    7.) Protect vs. trackers
    8.) Protect vs. spam
    9.) Protect vs. phishing
    10.) Protect vs. caps
    11.) Get you by dns blocking
    12.) Keep you off dns request logs
    13.) Speed up surfing by adblocks & hardcoded favs
    14.) Work on anything webbound (ie email programs) multiplatform.
    15.) Give you easily controlled data
    16.) Do those & block ads better than addons more efficiently in cpu + memory use

    * ANSWER ="NO" to each on UBlock doing it as well or @ all!

    APK

    P.S.=> UBlock does less than hosts & less efficiently - hosts do MORE w/ less + Hosts start w/ the IP stack before REDUNDANT inefficient addons BEGIN to operate (as 1st resolver queried):

    Ublock's NOT as efficient:

    Hosts @ 3mb-11mb w/ current data vs. threats + ads - test yourself using my program.

    UBlock uses 63++ MB -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    ---

    ClarityRay defeats it detecting it by dumping addons in use in a browser via native browser methods to do so!

    ---

    UBlock adds complexity/room for breakdown/exploit + from a slower mode of operations (usermode = more messagepassing overheads vs. hosts in kernelmode).

    ---

    What's better?

    APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    ... apk