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GCHQ Tried To Track Web Visits of "Every Visible User On Internet"

An anonymous reader writes with Ars Technica's story on the relevations reported today by The Intercept that the UK's GCHQ has been tracking World Wide Web users since 2007, with an operation called "Karma Police" -- "a program that tracked Web browsing habits of people around the globe in what the agency itself billed as the 'world's biggest' Internet data-mining operation, intended to eventually track 'every visible user on the Internet.'"

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  1. Re:Radiohead fans? by purplepolecat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Their facial recognition technology can now distinguish a "Hitler hairdo" with 89% accuracy. Arrests have been made.

  2. Re:Radiohead fans? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 3, Funny

    I feel like Paranoid Android would have been a slightly more appropriate choice.

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  3. Re:Karma Police? by geekmux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That sounds ridiculous. They should have used something with more of a verbal punch, perhaps recalling banditry and tracking on a live document.

    All puns aside, the name is no more ridiculous than any bullshit justification for tracking "every visible user on the internet".

    Yeah, go ahead three/four-letter agencies, I'd love to see what reasons you'll pull out of your ass for this one.

  4. Re:And you all think MS and Windows 10 is bad... by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't just ignore your privacy rights in one area because there is a greater threat in another. If you want these organizations to respect your privacy, you have to start by respecting it yourself.

  5. "Tried to" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Article suggests "does". The sequence will go as follows, or similar, looking at web site visits, search queries, benefitting from LE access to Facebook etc to see instant messages:

    - genuine national security threats
    - interest in Islamism
    - anti-establishment politicians and their most powerful supporters
    - all remaining politicians, to keep them in line
    - high stakes economic criminals
    - campaigners against government policy or government-friendly business
    - the most dangerous suspects of crime, e.g. murderers
    - people involved in distributing child pornography
    - users of anonymising services
    - people who view any pornography that doesn't pass regulations
    - posters to prominent or troublesome political forums
    - pirates, yarhh!
    - posts to Grauniad CIF or BBC HYS

    Eventually nearly everyone is either under suspicion of committing at least one crime or has said something which taken out of context looks dangerous enough to warrant further investigation should anyone want to make their lives miserable in the future. The rest have said or viewed something embarrassing enough that (you were depressed once and looked for help? Furry porno watched one curious weekend? A racist rant... oh, you were just trolling?), should they ever become relevant in any way, the media will somehow find out.

  6. Re:And you all think MS and Windows 10 is bad... by slashdime · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do you know anything about IT and the internet? Your post suggests otherwise.

    This datamines via cookies. You consent to these (or not) via your browser. This is about the same as you walking down the street and deciding whether or not you care to dodge the cctv cameras watching you.

    Windows 10 is your operating system and you have no idea what it does. How do I know this? Because I have no idea what it does. And I'm willing to bet 99% of Microsoft has no idea what the new telemetry of Windows 10 collects. This is the same as hiring a butler that watches everything you do over your shoulder and every 10 minutes, he speaks quietly into an encrypted walkie talkie and you have no idea what he's telling his association of butlers. But you do know one thing, which is that the NSA/GCHQ has access and power over this association.

    So laugh away? Ha ha ha?

  7. Re:Not needed by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You cannot accuse much less convict people for something they haven't done yet. Once you do that, we're at despotism and there's nothing stopping them from convicting you or me for whatever reason. The laws have already been pushed too far. Why do you think it's time to abandon them? How likely are you to die in a "terror" event?

    The whole point of the law is to ensure that everyone is guilty of something. That way, whenever you want to get some particular individual there is always something to catch him on.

    You don't have to convict people for something they haven't done yet; theres always something they've done.

    Why do you think there are so many laws and no one can be sure they aren't breaking one?

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  8. Just think of the possibilities by kheldan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just think of the possibilities if they had used all those resources for something useful instead of poking their noses into things that were none of their business in the first place!

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    1. Re:Just think of the possibilities by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd like to see the possibility of prosecutions explored, and at the very least the head of MI5 must now step down. He was on Radio 4 just a few days ago saying that there was no "population level" surveillance. Clearly that was a lie. He has zero credibility now.

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  9. Re:And you all think MS and Windows 10 is bad... by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Informative

    For all the snorting over Windows 10 and privacy... it is nothing compared to this nonsense...

    Newflash for those who don't already know: The Internet is insecure. There is no way to change this without assured failure and or imposition of tyranny.

    Those who want security across a global communication network run by those with interests unaligned with their own must take responsibility for their communications by establishing trust and deploying end to end security.

    Denying passive, untargeted en-masse Internet surveillance to the worlds governments, Intelligence agencies and (criminal) enterprises is a relatively trivial undertaking. We have only ourselves to blame for allowing this bullshit to persist.

    What you do locally on your own computer on the other hand is none of the operating system vendors business. There is no ethical reason to intentionally leak information about you or what you are doing to the operating system vendor and by extension governments and criminal enterprises. This can be stopped by ditching the offending operating system.

  10. Re:Karma Police? by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, go ahead three/four-letter agencies, I'd love to see what reasons you'll pull out of your ass for this one.

    Advertising. Google tracks and profiles every visible user on the Internet. Do you use Google products or services?

    Google is a corporation in the land of capitalism, with profit to create and manage, otherwise they no longer exist as a corporation. And for the intelligent computer user, they are already well aware that they are the product when they use Google.

    Tell me again the bullshit reason any government agency needs to attempt to do the same thing, especially when that expense is paid for by the taxpayer.

  11. Re:Not needed by AHuxley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The UK thinking on "would be far less far reaching than they are now and intelligence gathering could be much more targeted and effective." has evolved from the Ireland issues of small groups of people meeting without cell or set locations in the 1970-80's.
    The solution was to track small groups of people down the the cell level and then offer each member a personal option: work for the UK intelligence services or not.
    Over the years people where successfully advance up the cell structure exposing all existing and new cells they had command and control over.
    Thats why the UK likes to watch everything and connect everything as it cannot be sure of how, where and when people of interest will meet and if they can even be observed without sat or other very costly and advanced platforms per person.
    The "without further authorization" shows not much has changed from the 1920's or the classic Home Office Warrant (HOW) days. The pipes are fast, wide, always expanded as domestic and international data grows and collecting it all over every generation of optical upgrade.

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  12. Re:Not needed by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3

    The word "terrorist" has a clear-cut and unambiguous definition. A terrorist is someone who deliberately and intentionally targets and attacks non-combatant civilians to further his political goals.