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Stop Taking All the Fun Out of Science

HughPickens.com writes: Heidi Stevens writes in the Chicago Tribune that according to NASA astronaut Mae Jemison schools treat science like the class where fun goes to die. "Kids come out of the chute liking science. They ask, 'How come? Why? What's this?' They pick up stuff to examine it. We might not call that science, but it's discovering the world around us," says Jemison. "Once we get them in school, we turn science from discovery and hands-on to something you're supposed to do through rote memorization." But science doesn't have to be that way says Jemison. Especially in the elementary school years. "When you have teachers saying, 'I don't have enough time for hands-on activities,' we need to rethink the way we do education," says Jemison. "The drills we do, where you're telling kids to memorize things, don't actually work. What works is engaging them and letting them do things and discover things." Jemison has teamed up with Bayer to advance science literacy across the United States by emphasizing the importance of hands-on, inquiry-based learning opportunities in public schools. Bayer announced recently that it will provide 1 million hands-on science experiences for kids by 2020. "Science is around us everywhere," says Jemison. Farming is science. Cooking is science. Even styling hair involves science. "When we go to the hairdresser, we want her to know something about pH balance," says Jemison with a laugh. "Boy, do we ever want her to know something about pH balance!"

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  1. School isn't there to enrich lives by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's there to get people ready for the workforce. That's why we have bells and it's why we start it early when research shows kids need more sleep. I always find it annoying to see people who can't or won't acknowledge that virtually everything in our society exists to serve the ruling class. You'll never get anywhere with reform until you acknowledge and deal with that basic root problem. It's why FDR was so successful and it's what Eisenhower was afraid of when he talked about the Military Industrial Complex...

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    1. Re:School isn't there to enrich lives by alvinrod · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If kids need more sleep, wouldn't it be sufficient to go to bed sooner?

      If you move the start of school two hours later, kids will just stay up or out later and still be sleep deprived. The start time was made to serve the working class so that they would have their kids in school before getting to their jobs so they wouldn't have to worry about the kids being home by themselves for several hours because someone wanted to move the start time later in the morning, because apparently the only way to get more sleep is to wake up later.

      Our educational system could be a hell of a lot better, but I hardly think that the arguments you've chosen are representative of those problems or even necessarily support the points that you're making.

    2. Re:School isn't there to enrich lives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What a load of a crap (do you misunderstand every story you post to, or just a troll that takes a long time to get around to responding to stories?). Kids get lots more homework today than we did, and than my parent's generation. Too many teachers are trying to substitute quantity of busy work for quality work. There are places where repetition is helpful, and other places where it becomes a waste, and additionally destroys the kid's motivation and respect for education. Doing writing and math exercises can help introduce those concepts way better than just being told about them. But assigning a hundred multiplication exercises because a student couldn't get a word problem doesn't help them learn how to do word problems, even if it is much easier to assign.

      When my wife and I were kids, we learned about computers by having some time to mess around with them, before getting into formal classes. The school our kids were previously at made it come down between a choice between getting good grades and having any outside interests. To paraphrase one teacher, "If you kid wants to learn about computers, they should take the CS course when old enough and should have enough concentration to avoid computers until then." It is the same mentality of teachers that hate students who read ahead, "Ok, if your kid is going to read extra material, just make sure they don't talk about it to other kids." The last straw was when they brought us in to talk about the importance of good grades when saying little about actual education, because our kids missed a couple days after winter break due to a family trip overseas where we got our kids to learn parts of a foreign language and lots of history.

      Learning takes effort and work. But there is a difference between some homework, and so much busy work that education stops. Kids need to learn about things beyond the domain of their teachers. Teachers not giving students work is also not a viable option. Asking for balance is not screaming about making the kids do any work.

    3. Re:School isn't there to enrich lives by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Small children naturally wake by the crack of dawn and are ready to go soon after.

      It starts happening again when you're in your 50's, but the only place you are going is the toilet.

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  2. Science Requires Effort by mlookaba · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unless we want to re-invent the wheel over and over, it's necessary that people have a basic understanding of the work that has been done in the past.

    The problem isn't how hard it is to memorize facts. The human brain is capable of memorizing a lot of facts. The problem is that (US specifically) kids are just too lazy to do it. They have the ability, but not the desire. (Source: My wife is a high school science teacher of 30 years).

    Let's address the real issue and stop trying to give participation trophies.

    1. Re:Science Requires Effort by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem isn't how hard it is to memorize facts. The human brain is capable of memorizing a lot of facts. The problem is that (US specifically) kids are just too lazy to do it.

      What, exactly, is useful about memorizing facts, in a world where any fact you want is at your fingertips on demand? Being usefully conversant in facts is not about memorization, it's about understanding relationships between things. Understanding how stuff works. The facts you need will be memorized along the way.

    2. Re:Science Requires Effort by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What does "memorizing a lot of facts" have to do with not re-invent the wheel?

      If you don't know the wheel exists and what it does (if you haven't memorized those things), then you'll wind up re-inventing it through simple ignorance, won't you? And probably do a much worse job of it--something computer programmers have a depressing record of seeing every day.

    3. Re:Science Requires Effort by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What, exactly, is useful about memorizing facts, in a world where any fact you want is at your fingertips on demand? Being usefully conversant in facts is not about memorization, it's about understanding relationships between things. Understanding how stuff works.

      I agree with you that the "understanding relationships" etc. is more important in being an educated person than memorized rote knowledge.

      The problem, however, is that one actually needs something in your brain to "understand relationships" between. You can't "understand how stuff works" if you don't even know there is "stuff" to begin with.

      I'm absolutely NOT arguing for lots of rote memorization. But I think a common error (and an increasingly serious problem) today is the idea that memorization is worthless because... well, "Google can answer it." Yeah, that's great if you're looking up some atomic fact. But what if finding an answer to a problem depends on connecting seemingly unrelated atomic facts? If they are both in your brain, you may be able to figure it out. But if not, you're out of luck (unless someone has solved that exact problem before and posted it on the internet).

      Traditional specialization in a career, for example, usually required adaptability. If you were a mechanic or a machinist or whatever, having 25 years of experience wasn't just about making fewer mistakes -- it was about having a brain full of knowledge that could make such connections when needed. That often included a lot of obscure facts derived from experience... "Oh, don't even bother trying that part on that model, because it uses X and although they say it's different from Y, both the mechanisms on based on principle Z."

      Memorization can SOMETIMES be a way to fast-track understanding and make those subsequent connections easier to make. Memorization for the sake of memorization is stupid, but if you're memorizing information that you can actually use on a regular basis, it might actually be helpful in doing stuff like you say: "understanding relationships between things" requires knowing something about "things."

      The facts you need will be memorized along the way.

      That does tend to happen when you use information frequently. But sometimes it can actually be helpful to force oneself to KNOW stuff in advance. (I can't believe I actually need to argue for this....) And sometimes you don't know what you might need to know, and knowing SOMETHING that is potentially relevant can give you an advantage over someone else who just has to blindly Google things rather than actually knowing anything.

      In medieval times, when books were expensive and scarce, there used to be an entire "art of memory," a method which facilitated memorization of long passages of writings and even entire books. There were drawings showing people "eating books" too -- this was the symbolism given to the act of memorization, because once one had these complete texts in one's brain, it allows a much more thorough "digestion" of the ideas and contents of these texts.

      I'm not saying that we should go back to that. But there's something different about knowledge that is actually in your brain, and memorization can sometimes be a useful TOOL to get it there.

    4. Re:Science Requires Effort by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think though that one naturally memorizes stuff. If you keep having to make use of a fact and keep having to look it up, after not especially long you commit it to memory automatically. The trouble with just mindless rote memorization that it's awfully easy to memorize wrong without understanding, awfully easy to have a list of facts but no idea how to use them and it's boring as all hell and guaranteed to put off the majority of students.

      Do, rather than memorize and the memorization will come naturally.

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  3. Not everything is fun by Yergle143 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe we should stop raising children to think that everything is fun.
    Impactful science is a heck of a lot of work.
    Guess it's more about doing rather than viewing.
    Listening to a musician is fun. Learning to play is not.

    1. Re:Not everything is fun by PvtVoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe we should stop raising children to think that everything is fun.
      Impactful science is a heck of a lot of work.

      Yes, but it's also more fun than just about anything else if you're doing it right. The great breakthroughs in science, as in art, come from minds that are full of play.

    2. Re: Not everything is fun by J-1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoken like a horrible teacher. Your problem is that you interpret fun to mean unimportant, easy, or silly. In fact, fun as it is used here simply means that the student discovers and embraces the desire to do it. Learning to play music isn't fun? That attitude is how you become a crappy musician.

  4. Science is really two topics by joe_frisch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are two parts to "science". There is learning some of the vast amount of science that has already been done, and there is learning how to do science. Both are important, and both can be made interesting by a good teacher and dull by a bad one.

  5. Not just science ... by Xaemyl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a problem for school overall. Its pretty fucking boring.

  6. Re:Time vs. "fun" by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt professional scientists think their work is "fun".

    If that's true, it's only because professional scientists spend the vast majority of their time doing things that aren't science: grant management, administration, job interviews, committee meetings. Every scientist I know is desperately trying to get away from all of that bullshit and get back to having fun: i.e., doing science. Science is so much fun that scientists are willing to put up with all the PHB college adminstrators that fill their days, just for those moments of science, which are pure joy.

  7. Re:Science isn't a game by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Science isn't supposed to be fun. It's a method and its rigorous.

    Scientific education can very well be fun. The best way to convince people ignorant of science that the scientific method is useful is by doing exploratory exercises with them (often "fun") and then gradually introducing rigor to show them how scientific methods work better.

    I speak as someone who has taught high-school science. One of the first activities I would do with physics students was to give them a few different types of pendula and a stopwatch. I would divide them into groups and tell them to come up with a way of predicting what the period should be.

    That's about all the instructions I gave.

    They'd get a few days of this -- I'd bring the class together at the end of each period, and we'd talk about what they had discovered. Hmm -- the mass of the weight at the end of the string didn't seem to matter. The initial angle didn't seem to make much of a difference either. Etc.

    I'd walk around the room in each class and gradually give suggestions and hints on better ways to collect and organize data, answer questions, provide additional equipment upon request, etc.

    By the end of a week, most of them had learned more about the scientific method than many physics students do in a year (if they only performed calculations and solved equations). And most of them found it interesting -- it was a puzzle to solve, a physical thing that they were expected to figure out how it worked. Once one group figured out that graphing their data might help, all of sudden someone would realize it was a parabola... and pretty soon they could come up with an equation.

    Exploratory science is essential for education -- that's how little kids learn. But many of them have is stomped out of them by middle school, forced to sit in desks and learn things by rote or by doing dozens of repetitive exercises. There is certainly a place for memorization and repetition, but there's no reason why science can't also include fun exploratory activities.

    You can talk about the definition of a "theory" or "hypothesis" or whatever until you're blue in the face, but nothing beats making kids actually have to DO IT.

    Science is treated like a religion, and the philosophy of science and especially its skepticism is missing in the discussion, covered instead by "omg isn't this science looking thing cool".

    And this is precisely the problem with science education that isn't fun and exploratory in nature. If kids spend years sitting in science classrooms being dictated to and told the "facts" of science, when and how exactly are they supposed to acquire the skills to form and evaluate their own hypotheses with appropriate skepticism? If they never try to do it, how would you expect people to be able to do it regarding other science they encounter in the world in their lives?

    Of course those sorts of skills are hard to test on things like standardized tests, so teachers in many public schools feel like they don't have time to actually train kids in the actual process of DOING science, rather than memorizing facts ABOUT it.

    Pseudoscience abounds. Looks at nutrition science. You can't even tell anymore what is actual science and what is total nonsense based on anecdote... because the methods are almost the same.

    I'm not sure precisely what you're referencing. Nutrition science, properly speaking, is NOT based on "anecdote" more than anything else -- it requires data collection, control groups, data analysis, etc.

    But the big problem with much of science -- and not just nutrition, but medicine in general, and psychology, and most "social science" (increasingly even harder sciences) -- is the substitution of (badly done) statistical procedures for any semblance of experimental judgment. We now live in a world where we act as though simple statistics can "do science" for us -- and we have all the thin

  8. Re:Time vs. "fun" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    BS.
    I'm a physicist, doing basic science at a research lab.

    I can assure you: None of the people there do it for the money! We all do it because it is _FUN_!
    Doing something nobody has ever done before, thinking about things nobody has ever considered before, and building stuff to do an experiment is fun, fun, fun!

    Rigorous method and stuff: yes. Grant management, admin, etc.: Yes. Of course we have to do it.
    But the the driving force, the reason _why_ we are doing it is _exclusively_ fun!

    [ I could easily earn a lot more money, with less work, in industry. But been there, done that: Not so much fun!]

  9. Re:Science is dangerous and math is stressful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My wife does something similar when teaching science. The first few experiments are ridiculously safe. The goals are to get into a safe habit and (more importantly) figure out which students are going to act like total morons. Later on they get to play with acid, fire, sharp objects.