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Google Shows Off 2 New Nexus Phones, a New Pixel, and More

Two of the products officially unveiled at Google's much-anticipated (at least much-hyped) release announcement were widely and correctly predicted: a pair of new Nexus phones. The flagship is the all-metal Huawei 6P, with a 5.7" AMOLED display (2,560x1,440), 3GB of RAM, and a Snapdragon 810 chip. The Huawei overshadows the nonetheless respectable second offering, the LG-made Nexus 5X, which makes concessions in the form of less RAM (2GB instead of the 6P's 3), smaller battery (2700mAh, instead of 3450) and a lesser Snapdragon chip inside (808, rather than 810). Both phones, though, come with USB-C and with a big upgrade for a line of phones not generally praised for its cameras: a large-pixel 12.3-megapixel Sony camera sensor. Much less predicted: Google announced a new bearer for the Pixel name, after its line of high-end Chromebooks; today's entrant is a tablet, not running Chrome, and it's running Android rather than Chrome OS. The Pixel C tablet will debut sometime later this year; google touts it as "the first Android tablet built end-to-end by Google." Also on the agenda today, news that Android 6 will start hitting Nexus devices next week.

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  1. Good and bad about 5X by iONiUM · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are both good and bad things about the new Nexus 5X.

    Good things: improved CPU/GPU, good camera (but no OIS, although they say they can't because it's 1.55um pixels), good battery, fingerprint reader, USB type-C.

    Okay things: similar screen, same amount of RAM, same amount of storage (I assume hatred for 16gb), no SD storage as before.

    Negative things: no OIS (as above), no wireless charging (a deal breaker, for many).

    Overall seems like a pretty decent device given the price, but there is room they could have improved.

    1. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 2

      Back in August, I was considering an upgrade from my LG Nexus 4. I was looking at a few phones and was told by friends to wait and see what the next line of Nexus devices had to offer. I had been watching rumours and I was curious to see what was to become of the Nexus 5.

      I caught a good deal on a Motorola X Play (not available in the US) so I took advantage of it at the end of August.

      Looking at these specs, I'm actually glad I didn't wait. The Moto X Play has turned out to be a great phone, and the new Nexus 5 appears to be more expensive for less (smaller battery, lower res camera, no SD slot, and I have no use for a fingerprint reader). While the Nexus 5X has faster processor and GPU I really don't think it would make much difference, and I do not play video games so I don't see the need for it.

      The only thing I think would have been nice was having it unlocked from the factory... but that really doesn't matter as unlock codes are easy to come by.

    2. Re:Good and bad about 5X by corychristison · · Score: 2

      Honestly that is a poor argument, and poor analogy.

      Proper optimization of the build can/will curtail any negative effect on the usage of RAM. I assume Marshmallow is going to be better optimized.

      Nobody here knows because nobody here is actually using either of these devices.

      My new phone is running 64bit Android, with only 2GB of RAM. It performs fine.

    3. Re:Good and bad about 5X by Nexus+Unplugged · · Score: 2

      4 hours of life in 10 minutes, and in general, is just way, way faster to charge. Wireless is nice, but it's always super sloooooooow.

      It's 7 PM right now, and the battery on my Nexus 5 is at 86%. The last time I gave any conscious thought to charging my phone was weeks ago. That's just not possible without wireless charging. Who cares that your phone charges slower when your battery never drops below 50%? USB-only means that I would go back to forgetting to plug in my phone when it needs it, and having to scramble to find a (new, not yet common) charger. That's a step backwards, and it's a deal breaker for me.

  2. No wireless charging by hawguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm disappointed by the lack of wireless charging on both the 5X and 6P. Sure, wired USB-C charging may be faster that wireless and the omnidirectional connector is more convenient than Micro-USB, but still, I like being able to drop the phone on my nightstand in the dark without fumbling for cables.

    1. Re:No wireless charging by hawguy · · Score: 2

      It's aluminum -- can't exactly charge through metal...not until recently at least, which was probably too late for the product cycle.

      So don't make the case out of metal.

      I can't remember the last time I've seen any phone (android or apple) that's not in a protective case anyway, so why does it matter what the phone's case is made of?

  3. Pass for now ... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    I think I'll wait to see how badly this does on my older Nexus 7.

    My experience is Google might want to push it to me, but that the device stands a pretty good chance of being rendered useless with an update which is either badly tested or too damned slow.

    Besides, day 1 updates are for suckers who don't realize they get to be the beta testers and find all the problems.

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    1. Re:Pass for now ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Apparently the original 2012 Nexus 7 is not getting Marshmallow. It will still get updates for security, apps and Google system components, but the core OS will stay on Lollipop.

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  4. Why Android on Pixel by CSHARP123 · · Score: 2

    It would have been much better going Chrome instead of Android. Blown-up phone apps are horrendous on Android tablets. Why would a keyboard cost so much? With all these new keyboard, pen attachments with Tablets, I think MS was on right track on Surface (not the pro). But was executed as usual badly.

    1. Re:Why Android on Pixel by kaiser423 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've had a number of $25 bluteooth keyboards for my tablets and they universally suck. I've probably tried 6-8. This one from Google, that latches strong enough that I can dangle the actual tablet by it, but also removes from the tablet pretty simply/quickly when I don't want it, and charges inductively rather than having to have another charging cable for it, is pretty nice. Maybe not $150 nice, but waaaaaay nicer than a $25 BT keyboard, and just slightly above that $25 price range, the BT keyboard market tops out still without implementing those other features.

  5. NOPE by snarfies · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Incorporating a unibody build, it doesn't look like you'll be able to remove the back cover or battery"

    Stopped reading right there - do not want.

    1. Re:NOPE by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

      As an iPhone user I've occasionally envied my Android-using friends for their removable batteries and SD slots.

      Now that major phone makers are taking those features away, Android phones are losing two of their biggest advantages over iPhones. I even know at least one Android-using person who is thinking of switching to the iPhone because "What's the point without being able to swap batteries and SD cards?"

      Big mistake. And I say this as an iPhone user who still wants Android to succeed because I shudder at what Apple would do without real competition.

    2. Re:NOPE by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I even know at least one Android-using person who is thinking of switching to the iPhone because "What's the point without being able to swap batteries and SD cards?"

      That's funny, I just picked up a phone with swappable batteries and SD cards: the Samsung Galaxy S4. It's not brand-new of course, but it works great for me, and I'm not really sure why I would need anything newer. It's even still supported by the manufacturer for software updates; I just got one last month. Or if I decide to move to CyanogenMod, it's well-supported there too, unlike most phones.

      And if I do want something newer, I can upgrade to the Galaxy S5, which also has swappable batteries and SD cards, AND is waterproof!

      (Of course, I'll avoid the Galaxy S6 since it eliminated all three of those features for some dumb reason, and added nothing of value.)

      The S5 is only a year or so old at this point; why are fools like him deciding to abandon the platform just because these features are disappearing from this year's line-up? It's not like you have to change your phone every year.

  6. Why wireless charging? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't get why people are so enamored with "wireless" charging.

    I put that in scare-quotes because the wireless charging pads all have cords. So instead of just a cord, you have a cord and a pad...

    The Apple Watch has wireless charging and I don't find it any handier than using a cable. It can look cleaner but I don't see that it really gets you much.

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    1. Re:Why wireless charging? by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't use wireless charging (yet), but it seems for me the best advantage would be less wear and tear on the connector.

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    2. Re:Why wireless charging? by Coren22 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use this on my phone. It is nice as my phone has dust/water plugs in all the jack slots which are pretty flimsy. I also can simply drop the phone into the charger and not worry about plugging and unplugging cables. The ports also wear over time, wireless charging receivers don't. It is also nice in the car as I just drop it into a holder which keeps it in a decent spot for navigation and charges automatically.

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      Home: http://smile.amazon.com/gp/pro...

      It is nice to have a water resistant phone and not have to worry about getting wet in the rain or falling into a pool, or whatever might ruin other phones.

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    3. Re:Why wireless charging? by kqs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      USB-c connecters are much better than micro-USB, so wear and tear isn't a big issue. Though that's a low bar; micro-USB is terrible.

      I do like wireless charging, but if the choice is "micro-USB and Qi" vs "USB-c", I'll take USB-c, thanks.

    4. Re:Why wireless charging? by countach74 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wireless charging is one of those things that seems kind of pointless until you try it. I imagine it doesn't have the same sort of utility on a smart watch, though, since you (probably) aren't taking your watch off and putting it on the desk every time you sit down. With wireless charging, since it's as simple as setting your device down, I've found it's substantially easier to keep my phone's battery in the lithium ion's happy 40-80% range. Plus it means I almost always have a pretty good charge on my phone, which is good, since I have a Nexus 5. :) I have to say, the lack of wireless charging's a rather big bummer to me--not that I was looking to upgrade yet.

    5. Re:Why wireless charging? by JackieBrown · · Score: 2

      I don't get why people are so enamored with "wireless" charging.

      Echoing the two posts above me. My usb port is always the first thing to go on my phones. Wireless charging means I only need to plug in my phone when updating to a new rooted OS image.

    6. Re:Why wireless charging? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      At a desk I usually have a charging cord around, to me it seems just as easy to plop it on there for a bit as a charging pad.

      Honestly even a bit easier, because the desk I'm normally at is pretty cluttered, and a pad would get buried while a cord I can pull out to be on top.

      You're right that I don't charge the watch at all during the day.

      The other issue with a charging pad is that I have to bring one traveling - but I think for most phones that doesn't matter, as generally they let you charge either by pad or USB.

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    7. Re:Why wireless charging? by markus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wear and tear is definitely one of the factors. With wireless charging I don't have to worry that my kids trip over the cord and rip it out of the phone -- together with the phone's USB socket. But there are other benefits, too.

      I have a magnetic wireless charger in my car. When I get into the car, I just hold the phone against the charger, it positions itself thanks to the magnets, and it then stays in place and keeps getting charged for the entire trip. I can keep the GPS and the music player running on a long road trip and I don't have to worry about ever running out of battery.

      I also have a wireless charging pad next to my bed. Rather than trying to find the USB port when the lights are out and I am already half asleep, I just hold the phone roughly in the right spot and it attaches itself to the charger. It charges (almost) as fast as with my USB 2.0 cable, but probably not as fast as with a 15W fast charger. But who cares if it takes 2h to fully charge while I am asleep.

  7. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    They didn't need to. If you need more storage just pop an SD-card in. Oh. Wait...

  8. No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No microSD, no thanks. You'd think Google would have gotten the memo by now.

    1. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

      Ditto here. I would never buy a phone without microSD.

    2. Re:No microSD slot. No, thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They did get the memo. That's a feature that only people posting in this thread care about. >95% of those slots never got used on previous models.

  9. Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems Google is ignoring those people who don't want a HUGE phone. The two models should have been the giant screened phone, and a smaller phone for those who like to actually be able to climb stairs with it in their pocket.

    1. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      I recommend getting a holster. I understand wanting to be able to have your phone in your pocket for convenience, but seriously, a phone of any size in your pocket is still a pain if you're wearing jeans. A holster fixes all these problems.

      What Google *really* screwed up on (yet again) is not putting in a removable battery or SDcard.

      However, I will take this time to tout why the Android platform is superior to Apple: with Android, at least, if I don't like one company's phones (Google's for instance), I can go look at other company's phones and hopefully find something I like better, such as the Samsung Galaxy series before the stupid S6 removed these two features. With Apple, you're stuck with whatever they decide is best for you.

    2. Re:Not everyone wants a gigantic phone by JanneM · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sony Z5 Compact should be good for you? Definitely high end, and smaller than any other premium phone out there, iphone included.

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  10. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

    They didn't make a 64GB phone because nobody would have bought it outside of this slashdot conversation.

  11. Re:I use this to annihilate you by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    Even though it's wildly off-topic, I guess I'm wondering why you would bother with a host file on each machine versus something at your router - just null-route the shit you would usually put in your host file and be done with it for the whole network at once.

    But I guess maintaining a hosts file on hundreds of machines gives you something to do besides AC stalk people on Slashdot?

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  12. Re:Very good - that's my point vs. his bs by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    So very cute seeing you trying to claim that I am

    "THE GREATEST COMPUTER SECURITY GUY (lol, NOT) on earth"

    , something I have never claimed to be. But it is adorable to see you agreeing with yourself over and over again. Sockpuppeting as an AC just really makes my point for me.

    I have not contradicted myself, and if you would go back and reread your posts, you would realize I simply stopped responding, which is not the same thing as you being right, no matter how often you claim it to be.

    So, how does your hosts file prevent its user from being MiTM attacked by you yourself? Are we as users supposed to go through your 11 mb (according to you) hosts file to make sure you didn't put in an entry for Bank of America or some other banking site that points to your personal server? Or are you claiming we should just trust you?

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  13. Re:16 or 32 GB of storage? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    No, you're supposed to put all that stuff in the cloud. Then you're not supposed to worry about it when you get charged $$$ because you went way, way over your data plan allowance.

  14. No. by Leslie43 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A holster doesn't change the fact that I can't operate it with one handed, or that it looks like I'm holding a tablet to my ear while using it, or won't fit in a small clutch. I'm not wearing a holster with a formal/party dress. I want a phone to communicate when I need to, maybe check the weather, look something up or take a picture, not carry a full on portable computer or tablet. If I need that on a job, I take a tablet or computer with me.

    Companies need to get it through their heads that many people have very legitimate reasons why they don't want a massive device. That doesn't mean I don't want the latest OS (don't even get me started on this), or a good camera/screen/processor/storage/memory. I just want it all in a smaller device.