UK Gamers Can Now Get Their Money Back For Publishers' Broken Promises

Worms 4 for iPhone sucks... by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-10-01 05:53 · Score: 1

As a hardcore Worms fan, I was delighted that Worms 4 for the iPhone recently came out. I paid my five bucks, played the first ten levels and deleted the game from my iPad. Worms 4 is a Nintendo-bastardization with simple graphics more appropriate for four-year-olds, Facebook interface that is shoved into your face, and none of the usual mayhem that made previous Worms games so much fun. Surprisingly, Apple gave my five bucks back with a minimal amount of fuss. Since I no longer owned the game, my negative review that demanded a refund from Apple disappeared from the iTunes store.

Re:Worms 4 for iPhone sucks... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 07:31 · Score: 0

Apple has an easy process to get refunds. They don't scrutinize either. Posting it in an angry review is not the correct way to accomplish this.
Re:Worms 4 for iPhone sucks... by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-10-01 07:58 · Score: 1

I was under the impression that Apple never gave refunds. I posted my review and then contacted Apple for a refund. I wasn't the only Worms fan who posted an angry review. When I checked recently, many of those reviews that demanded a refund were gone.
Re:Worms 4 for iPhone sucks... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 09:06 · Score: 0

What does Nintendo have to do with this?
Re:Worms 4 for iPhone sucks... by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-10-02 02:51 · Score: 1

The graphics looks like a Nintendo Wii game. Hence, Nintendo bastardization.

Publishers respond by willworkforbeer · 2015-10-01 05:55 · Score: 2

"Those features were't exactly promised, think of them more as 'Volkswagen-Promised.'"

# IVWP ("I VW-Promise" The corollary to 'fingers-crossed promises' for the 21st century. )

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inveigle by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 05:56 · Score: 0

Are we planning on continuing to use now-obscure words which don't even sound like words in all of our summaries now?

Re:inveigle by xenotransplant · 2015-10-01 06:01 · Score: 1

Thesaurus is not a dinosaur.
Re:inveigle by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-10-01 06:11 · Score: 1

A dead tree thesaurus is an anachronism, but not a snake.
Re:inveigle by allquixotic · 2015-10-01 06:32 · Score: 1

No. We will use the most common ten hundred words instead.
Re:inveigle by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:38 · Score: 0

You failed to post the relevant xkcd link. For shame!
Re:inveigle by Darinbob · 2015-10-01 06:51 · Score: 1

It's not an obscure word. Just what was your attendance record at school anyway?
Re:inveigle by laie_techie · 2015-10-01 07:48 · Score: 1

It's not an obscure word. Just what was your attendance record at school anyway?
Maybe it has something to do with my going through the public school system in Hawaii, but I had to look up inveigle. Definitely not a common word in these parts.
Re:inveigle by Darinbob · 2015-10-01 08:15 · Score: 1

It's not a conversational word, but I hear it spoken on television and radio. Ok, more on radio than TV these days as TV has gotten pretty dumb.
Re:inveigle by newcastlejon · 2015-10-01 08:21 · Score: 2

What sort of antiquated browser are you using that doesn't let you right-click a word and google it? Just think, if you'd done that you might have learnt a new word already. Here, give it a try now.
Indolent.
See how easy that was?

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Re:inveigle by patterner982 · 2015-10-02 00:27 · Score: 1

Deceive! Inveigle! Obfuscate!

That's what happens when you play LUDDITE games! by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 05:58 · Score: 0

Modern app appers know that only APPS can be appy apps, not garbage LUDDITE games!

Apps!

Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by xenotransplant · 2015-10-01 05:59 · Score: 2

One of the worst debacles in unfinished games, the one that opened my eyes to the "new model" of game and software delivery, was the release of battlefield 3. Absolutely broken game. Then they started releasing dlc/shorcut packs/premium subscription models, BEFORE the game was even patched. After that, I made an oath to NEVER buy a game on release day. No more preorders. I will wait, sometimes over a year, until a game is finally playable before I buy it. Gaming masses were marked as suckers.

Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by __aaclcg7560 · 2015-10-01 06:05 · Score: 2

I typically wait five years to get a game for less than five bucks on Steam. By the time I get the game, my Windows PC should have exceeded the minimum hardware specs and sometimes the recommended hardware specs to play the game without fuss. I can buy a dozen games for the price of a single brand new title.
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by Moof123 · 2015-10-01 06:16 · Score: 1

Waited 5 months on GTA 5, still a disaster just to get it to download the mandatory 6 GB(!) patch to be able to play. A week into it and a re-install I still am not there. What an utter mess. We need more consumer friendly laws against severely broken software that is not easily returned.
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:23 · Score: 0

This didn't work well for me on Dead island. Steam sale got me. Dead island is a horrid pile of bugs and glitches. The awful re spawn and inconstant game state mechanics makes immersion impossible.
I enjoy the hacking at zombies bit is very enjoyable. It is a shame they failed at making it more enjoyable. Console level game expectations has ruined games!
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by orlanz · 2015-10-01 06:25 · Score: 3, Informative

Gaming masses are still suckers and have been for quite some years. Just look at all the "best selling" titles each year.
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by xenotransplant · 2015-10-01 06:29 · Score: 1

Gaming masses are still suckers and have been for quite some years. Just look at all the "best selling" titles each year.
Well played sir. Indeed, the big sellers are usually recycled trash from previous titles.
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by Coren22 · 2015-10-01 06:42 · Score: 1

The cake is a lie!

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Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by Darinbob · 2015-10-01 06:54 · Score: 1

I don't pre-order games or get them when they're brand new. Any long time gamer knows to wait for the first few patches and player reviews.
Re:Only about 4 years late, US needs this too. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 12:49 · Score: 0

The people are still suckers and have been for quite some years. Just look at all the "elected" politicians each election.

what about game consoles by Lead+Butthead · 2015-10-01 05:59 · Score: 2

... like when Sony unilaterally removed features...

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Re:what about game consoles by AmiMoJo · 2015-10-01 06:32 · Score: 1

A guy in the UK got a partial refund when they removed features from his PS3. The law has always said that you are owed one, this just clarifies the situation further.

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Re:what about game consoles by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · 2015-10-01 10:12 · Score: 1

The law has always said that you are owed one, this just clarifies the situation further.
In particular, the legal changes that came into effect today extend various rights specifically in relation to digital content. Prior to these changes, there were a lot of loopholes and grey areas if you bought something like software or audio-visual content purely on-line. For example, a lot of the laws we had before dated from a time when we were talking about a single physical copy of something.
It's a shame they don't seem to have added much about EULAs and similar "agreements", though. These already had a somewhat unclear legal status, thanks to various technicalities about copyright law. However, they also increasingly seem to be abused by suppliers of on-line content and those who use DRM, product activation, and similar measures.
For example, it seems grossly unfair to me that a games distributor might have a policy where a dispute about a new purchase or an unproven allegation about on-line behaviour in one game could result in no longer having access even to other games or previous purchases from the same distributor. This would be a totally disproportionate level of power that could allow such a distributor to abuse a past purchase history in order to resolve any current dispute in its favour or to prevent a customer from legitimately exercising their normal consumer rights in relation to one purchase without risking losing items of much greater value. Not that I'm suggesting this actually happens with any specific game distributor, of course.

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Re:what about game consoles by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · 2015-10-01 10:49 · Score: 1

It's a shame they don't seem to have added much about EULAs and similar "agreements", though.
To clarify a little, there certainly is an attempt to include this sort of licence agreement within the fairness regime -- the new law refers to "consumer notices", which as defined would almost certainly include most EULAs and similar agreements -- but we still have the flaky legal basis for having EULAs in the first place.

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Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Joe_Dragon · 2015-10-01 06:07 · Score: 2

Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you from your full account if you use this on one game?

Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Coren22 · 2015-10-01 06:46 · Score: 2

Steam allows refunds within a certain amount of time, no questions asked.

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Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by sexconker · 2015-10-01 06:54 · Score: 2

Legally, no. Actually, yes.
Steam was recently forced to change their policy of completely black holing accounts that dared to issue a charge back.
They now prevent future purchases and lock away certain features like the friends list. Various games will work/not work based on how tightly they are integrated with those features. But games you have already purchased and downloaded are still accessible to you. The consoles have more of a death grip, however.
MS is notorious for nuking accounts that dare to issue a charge back (even at the recommendation of XBOX support staff) when their accounts get hacked and people make unauthorized purchases with them. Sony does this too, but it's not as prevalent. MS also likes to nuke your account if you dare to let your credit card expire when your subscription is set to auto renew. You can't get your account back until you pay the "balance due", even if you haven't used the service, even if you turned off auto renew and it magically got turned back on, and even if you removed your credit card info but it magically was still there.
You can't turn off auto renew easily, and many times it just ignores your preference. Last I checked, it was impossible to truly remove your credit card info, so that when your account got hacked, you were fucked. Some countries and states require that turning off auto renewal be possible / different degrees of easy. MS has it rigged such that you only get the options required in your jurisdiction. A couple of years ago when this shit was erupting, people on video game forums were scrambling to remove their credit card info and turn off auto renewal, and everyone had a different "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT!!!" post with screenshots of pages that exist for some members but not others because MS intentionally made a maze of it.
Since then, the mantra for people who use XBOX Live! has been "use subscription/point cards". You can often get the subscription cards at a discount, and sometimes the points cards, too. People just stock up on those and add them to the account when they want to buy shit, never giving their CC info to MS and always leaving a minimal point balance on the account.
I'm a proponent of one account per purchase at this point. I don't give a finkle fuck about the social bullshit attached to the accounts.
However, account switching can get you banned on consoles (and isn't even possible on the Nintendo consoles) if you reach some arbitrary, unknown threshold that gets you flagged. My solution to this is not to buy digital shit. Physical shit is cheaper anyway. For things that are digital-only, I wait until they're $10 or less. And by that time I'll probably not even care about buying it.
Re: Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by jxander · 2015-10-01 08:15 · Score: 1

Do you have any details on Steam mucking with accounts after a charge-back, return, etc?
I've returned several steam games and never noticed any repercussions. I've even gone so far as to buy a game specifically with intent to return it, as a form of protest (because fuck UPlay) though I didn't disclose that intent, natch.
Maybe I don't return Steam games often enough to run afoul of their nefarious ways, but I've simply never heard of such a thing from Steam.

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Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by gweihir · 2015-10-01 08:58 · Score: 1

And if you have played less than 1 hour (or what it two?) Anyways, I recently used this on the latest Batman PC game, which really sucked in all regards, and had the money back shortly afterwards.

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Re: Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by gweihir · 2015-10-01 09:01 · Score: 1

Same here. Last was the full edition of the latest Batman disaster ("Asylum" and "City" were fine), and no issues at all resulted. Maybe they have a detector for people that abuse the system by driving this to extremes.

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Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Blue+Stone · 2015-10-01 09:46 · Score: 1

Well, a "charge back" is not the same as a refund request.
A 'charge back' means calling your Credit Card company and telling them to refuse the payment, cutting out any dialogue with the store you bought goods from. This is entirely different to going to that store and requesting a refund and you can't conflate the two things.

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Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Reason58 · 2015-10-01 10:15 · Score: 1

Physical shit is cheaper anyway.
Nope. Not even close.
Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 20:59 · Score: 0

A charge-back occurs when a charge is unauthorized. There is no dialog to have with any store. Someone else was using your card so you call the card provider and get the charges dropped. You have absolutely no obligation to talk to whatever random store it was.
So yes, we certainly shouldn't conflate actually buying something and then asking for a refund with demanding your money back on an unauthorized transaction, in fact we shouldn't even compare them, and we certainly shouldn't bring in this red herring about refunds when people are talking about charge-backs.
Re: Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Cederic · 2015-10-01 23:36 · Score: 1

"May I please return this game and have a refund" which you're doing leaves Steam in control of the process and is acceptable to them.
"Hi, is that my credit card company? Please reverse this charge on my card" is a chargeback and results in additional costs to Steam, and also damages their relationship with their card acquirer - if it happens too frequently they could even be refused the ability to take card payments.
As a consumer both are valid options, but the latter should always be an approach of last resort. Steam have historically been very negative towards people initiating chargebacks, although this new consumer protection legislation means they'll probably get very few from the UK.
On the flipside, I suspect our game prices will rise to cover the additional overheads. Maybe I should get my friend in Ireland to start buying me gifts.
Re:Can steam, EA, ubisoft , etc black list you by Cederic · 2015-10-01 23:46 · Score: 1

A charge-back occurs when a charge is unauthorized.

It's also the mechanism when you disagree with the store about getting a refund.
Last time I asked for a chargeback I'd tried to buy something online and the website used Paypal. Paypal charged my card but refused to pass my funds on to the vendor until I'd opened a Paypal account. I told them that wasn't happening, and to complete the transaction. They refused. I told them to refund my money and they refused.
So I knew who had my cash, I had been in contact with them, and my credit card company were very happy to comply with my request for a chargeback.

I hope the US doesn't do this... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:15 · Score: 0

or we'll never see a AAA game again. It would just be too much risk since no AAA game has been released in nearly a decade without major problems.

Re:I hope the US doesn't do this... by MitchDev · 2015-10-01 06:35 · Score: 1

Or they just can't get away with making promises they can't keep
Re:I hope the US doesn't do this... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:47 · Score: 0

Bullshit. Games for the Playstation and Xbox used to come out with zero problems.
It's only since consoles got the ability to "patch" via the internet that they stopped bothering about quality control. Multi-billion dollar games corps might have to spend a little extra money on QC staff .... boo hoo hoo.
Re:I hope the US doesn't do this... by mrchaotica · 2015-10-01 07:15 · Score: 1

And nothing of value was lost.

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morons applauding this.... gawd by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:19 · Score: 0

good now the morons applauding this can pay 30 for a game rather than 5.... way to drive up the costs guys good job.

PS3 Linux by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:26 · Score: 0

What about when they take away functionality such as in the PS3 when they removed Linux support?

Re:PS3 Linux by ooshna · 2015-10-01 09:39 · Score: 1

If this law was enacted then and that feature was advertised I believe it would have been an issue

Please Ignore This Post by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:31 · Score: 0

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Some good, by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 06:34 · Score: 0

Aliens Coloniel Marines would have definitely been a worthy neck for this axe....followed right behind with X-rebirth. /in all fairness to x-rebirth, it did not have a ton of cash like ACM had....

Wonder if Destiny changes count? by Immerial · 2015-10-01 06:44 · Score: 1

The new versions of Destiny actually removed some game content for those that did not upgrade: https://www.reddit.com/r/Desti...

Re:Wonder if Destiny changes count? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 09:23 · Score: 0

If you bought it today onward and it fails to deliver the promised features, then yes, it's counts.
Re:Wonder if Destiny changes count? by ItsJustAPseudonym · 2015-10-01 10:15 · Score: 1

Heck, they even removed features from the vanilla game at launch-time. They have over-promised and under-delivered since day 1.

Re:No lie you don't get admin use in security by xenotransplant · 2015-10-01 06:59 · Score: 1

If you're gonna hijack a thread to stalk someone you argued with, at least include some relevant commentary on the article.

Re:No lie you don't get admin use in security by Coren22 · 2015-10-01 07:05 · Score: 1

The cake is full of hosts files? That explains so much!

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Re: Better than being full of bull like you by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 07:20 · Score: 0

Git yer damn 'host' bot off my lawn.

The adults are trying to speak.

Sad media by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 07:45 · Score: 0

This "gamer" part of this change in UK law is doing all the usual suspects, but the act is far far larger.

The sad reality is the EU law allows for resale of digital products, yet none of the major players (Apple, Google, Sony, MS et al) allow it. And this whole consumer clarification is no different to what the USA does by default, without the need for legislation. It's called customer fucking service.

Anyway. I'll picking up Fallout 4 along with the other 50 million people, and I'll bring it back the next day for a full refund. It is Bugthesa, after all. Not to be a douche, but it makes a point and allows my a couple of extra excuses to stop at the pub.

morons by slashmydots · 2015-10-01 08:01 · Score: 0

Just how stupid are British officials that they can't see the obvious route is to sue and fine the company directly for false advertising? Really? It's easier to have individuals sue them one at a time, likely for the purchase price of a video game? That's a glorified return policy, not a solution and not enough of a punishment. They have Peter Molyneux over in England. They should be very familiar with the problem solely because of him. Do something real about it!

Re:morons by Raedwald · 2015-10-01 23:36 · Score: 1

Just how stupid are British officials that they can't see the obvious route is to sue and fine the company directly for false advertising

Because requiring consumers to sue a company, with all the hassle and legal costs, provides consumers with no effective protection. That is why Britain has consumer protection legislation. It provides an easy route for consumers to get redress.

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Easy solution. by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 08:25 · Score: 0

"This is a game. There is no promise of anything."

Why does *anyone* pre-order in 2015? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · 2015-10-01 09:54 · Score: 4, Insightful

I really don't understand why anyone pre-orders games that are delivered via digital download. A few years ago, it made sense, because maybe you wanted to make sure there was a physical box waiting for you at the game store on launch day. How many games are still bought that way today, though? It's not as if the download server is going to run out of copies.

Game companies want everyone to pre-order, of course, because it guarantees them income no matter how much of a turkey the game turns out to be. But usually they offer at best some token DLC to go with the pre-ordered version, and often different token DLC for people getting the game in different ways so no-one can have everything, and in any case if that DLC is worth anything it will unbalance the game (which is bad) and if it's not then it's no incentive to pre-order anyway.

Don't pre-order on-line games, kids. There is no way it ends positively for you, and it gives the game companies every incentive to ship unfinished junk instead of polished products you'll enjoy.

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Re:Why does *anyone* pre-order in 2015? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 23:34 · Score: 0

>I really don't understand why anyone pre-orders
Reason doesn't work the way we thought it did, see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYmi0DLzBdQ

So how do I make use of this law? by Sibko · 2015-10-01 13:14 · Score: 1

I bought Elite Dangerous early on in its development, and much to my chagrin I witnessed it go through beta to full release with nary an inkling of the content I was actually expecting from the advertisements and discussions on the forums.

It is categorically one of the worst games I've ever had the misfortune of purchasing. Made even more unpleasant by the exorbitant price tag I paid for early access. It's the biggest reason I've sworn off ever pre-purchasing or pre-ordering any games in the future. It wasn't the first game I got burned on, but it was the biggest and will be the last.

Frontier Developments is a UK company. How do I get a refund from them without paying 30x as much for the lawyers as I did for the 'game'?

Re:So how do I make use of this law? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-01 22:08 · Score: 0

I'm curious, as my friend and I did the same thing and still play the game regularly - what content were you expecting that was missing?
(Mod me off-topic if you like)
Re:So how do I make use of this law? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-02 01:01 · Score: 0

Same question, different game: Planetary Annihilation was sold to kickstarters and via steam early access to a lot of people with (imho) reasonable expectations. What we got was a steaming turd, no polish. Now you can't even find it for purchase on steam (it's on the latest Humble Bundle), and an equally buggy version with a not-particularly-useful addition of some token units has been released as PA:Titans.
Promises not delivered, future support requires purchasing their latest re-release. I want my money back.
Disclaimer: Yes, I'm aware that early access was a mistake. Lesson learned. KSP is a fluke in that department.

Re: Better than being full of bull like you by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-03 11:17 · Score: 0

Coren22 stop speaking then. Especially after your fuckup on hosts apk exposed and by posting by ac now to "defend" yourself. Talk obvious.

No lie you don't get admin use in security by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-04 05:19 · Score: 0

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You admit you use admin priv

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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

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Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

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Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me too http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides? I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://start64.com/index.php?o...

You did all that? No & that's a small part of what I could put out.

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" as far as security

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Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security by Anonymous Coward · 2015-10-08 01:54 · Score: 0

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You admit you use admin priv

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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!

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Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

MalwareBytes' hpHosts hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

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* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?

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Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!

I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

You told me you learn from guides?

I write good ones that MILLIONS USE& was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...

+ WARES TO PROTECT USERS that are endorsed & hosted by security pros -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

You did all that? No!

(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out...)

APK

P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" as far as security...apk

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