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Porsche Chooses Apple Over Google Because Google Wants Too Much Data
countach44 writes: As reported in number 5 of this list from Motor Trend, Porsche went with Apple over Google for the infotainment system in its new 911. Apparently, Android Auto wants vehicle data (throttle position, speed, coolant temp, etc.) whereas Apple Play only needs to know if the car is in motion. Naturally, people are curious what Google, as a company building its own car, wants that data for.
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You want to offer voice command only if you give microphone access? Fine. But to demand it is not acceptable.
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Information about the car is what CONSUMERS want. Google is asking for it because we are asking for it.
Google Dashboard:
Throttle position
Speed
Coolant temp
Fuel Consumption
etc.
Apple Dashboard:
The car is moving.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1...
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FTFY.
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
To block you from doing distracting tasks while driving such as editing a playlist or browsing your contact list.
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Or, the actual article. That seems like a stub.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1...
A couple of years ago, your probably asked why a phone needed sensors - like gyros, compass, temperature, motion, fingerprints, cameras, etc.
If you want to do really innovative and cool stuff, you need a way for the computer to be aware of the world around it. If you are a "car" system and you want to make really useful and cool apps for cars, then things like speed, g-forces, braking, turn signals, GPS, temperature and other sensors all become really essential.
My information *may* be outdated as I did the work over a year ago.
Google and Apple both *want* a similar (small) set of data, neither actually *require* much of the data to operate. Car companies are really weird about providing the access (although the Head Unit either as a vendor, the common case, or the company itself, need the data anyway).
IIRC Google's version wants to know if you are in reverse, and compass heading. Apple will infer.
The biggest difference as an integrator for the systems is that Apple call audio used the same USB channel as entertainment / navigation audio.
Google's call audio requires the Bluetooth HFP 1.5 which most head units already support.
Each solution had it's own challenges, Apple with it's USB wackiness that severely the hardware options[1] and Google with the Bluetooth adding to the audio mux logic.
Personally I find it *MUCH* more likely that Porsche vendor has CarPlay(tm) working and has a USB hardware issue with using the same port for both systems and/or dropped the Bluetooth from the CarPlay(tm) head unit to save cost.
Basically most vendors had over a year longer to get CarPlay(tm) working before they had access to AndroidAuto but getting AndroidAuto working once you have done the work to get CarPlay(tm) to work was pretty trivial. As always getting things into production quality takes time and effort and for many of these head units it may only require a software update to get either/both systems working. In my initial prototype I supported the use case of AA for navigation and ACP for playing music handling phone calls [in part because my initial HFP work kinda stank, damn you Broadcom :-)].
[1] Original described as variation of USB-OTG but it really isn't ... any chip with hardware/firmware OTG is unlikely to work.
FTFY. This nanny corp crap really needs to go away.
Isn't all that information readily available via OBDII anyway?
Not to Google, it isn't.
The point is that Porsche should be telling google what they want their entertainment system to do and how much information they want to send to it. Google should not be asking for this information and they should definitely not be the one dictating what information is required for an embedded audio entertanment system. the next thing you know Google will be sending all the data back to their datacenters, monitoring not only where you are but how fat you are diving, what rpms you are changing gears so they can let your insurance know if you have a lead foot, and your auto mechanic if you like to bounce off the rev limiter a little too often.
losing out on my privacy and autonomy in the name of someone elses stupid feature is the wrong way to go. Google making demands on a car company when the car company is the one who should be making decisions about the features and functionality of the car is the wrong way to go.
Google should STFU and be happy that someone wants to pay to license their technology and then they should work to provide the features that the licensee wants.
1. Google says it is not true.
2. Adding things like current speed and wheel angle can really help with dead reckoning when GPS is having a problem getting a lock like going through a tunnel.
3. Knowing how much fuel you have left and your current mpg can help it find the cheapest gas along your route.
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FTFY. This nanny corp crap really needs to go away.
Car companies do this because they fear that if they don't, government will hit them with all sorts of new regulations. Judging by past government behavior, that's a reasonable fear.
My truck has a variable volume based on speed so that the volume lowers as the truck slows. It's a handy feature. That is the only reason I can think of.
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It's not just Apple doing this. Many car navigation systems prohibit certain functions (such as typing an address or a text message with the fingers) while the car is in motion.
This is not a change from the industry standard for Apple. It is for Google.
I don't know if you've kept up with the latest and greatest when it comes to maintaining a car, but car manufacturers are VERY CONTROLLING when it comes to being able to read sensor data. The reason they do this is because they can keep third party mechanics out unless they pay $$$$$ to become a licensed technician or otherwise obtain the diagnostic information needed to effectively work on today's cars. Car repair is big bucks for the manufacturer if they keep that information proprietary.
If Porsche handed that stuff over to Google, it would make it a HELL of a lot easier for end users to be able to troubleshoot their car and fix it on their own, and THAT could seriously hurt Porsch's aftermarket revenue, hence I could see why they wouldn't want it. I'm guessing that Google might want this information mainly to allow app developers to be able to better use their imagination, but still, I doubt Porsche would give it up anyways.
Ok, why do they even need to know if the car is in MOTION at all just to play music??
This isn't about music.
It's fairly standard for Infotainment systems to need a sensor input as to whether the car is in motion (or in gear), as many can play back video and they don't want you watching movies when you're driving. Some also tie into gear selection so they know when to activate an installed backup camera and display its video feed.
Imagine if Google tracked your car telematics and automatically showed you ads for auto mechanics when your car breaks down, or driving school if your drive recklessly? They want unlimited power to shows you with relevant ads.
To block passengers in your car from doing useful tasks
Most modern cars have weight sensors in the front seats, so the computer will know if there is someone in the passenger seat. If the car is in motion, and there is no passenger, then it is reasonable to change the UI behavior.
This nanny corp crap really needs to go away.
You may feel different when some distracted driver runs over your kid. This isn't just about protecting people from themselves. Distracted drivers are a danger to other people as well.
Mixed feelings: Porsche (do want) with nanny controls( don't want). Sort of like watching your Ferrari going over a cliff driven by your mother-in-law.
You may feel different when some distracted driver runs over your kid. This isn't just about protecting people from themselves. Distracted drivers are a danger to other people as well.
Which is why manually operated cars should be outlawed.
All of the things listed in TFS are already available on the OBD-II port.
Kid-proof tablet..
1. Google says it is not true.
2. Adding things like current speed and wheel angle can really help with dead reckoning when GPS is having a problem getting a lock like going through a tunnel.
3. Knowing how much fuel you have left and your current mpg can help it find the cheapest gas along your route.
True, but to implement 2 or 3 only the navigation app needs that data. You don't need to send it all the way to Google (and TFA says so).
I'm a Google auto app pre-dev and they ask for information required by law to be available, on top of this they only wanted read access. This ontop of mining allows you to create really cool apps and diagnostics systems for auto makers. Apple just wants to be an ipad where google wants to become part of the car with custom app experience. Remember it's not running critical components just extra user experience stuff.
You don't find it creepy? If they track you in your car then drop ads in your browser at work or insert it into your gmail?
Or block the passenger from doing it, just like my car does with the GPS. It's my fucking car, unless it's against the law, it shouldn't be controlling my behaviour (Even then it still shouldn't).
Same goes for stupid seat-belt warnings, or door open warnings which prevent me from playing the stereo while cleaning out my car. Oh no, the door is open and the key is in the ignition, I'll sound an unending obnoxious warning sound to prevent you from doing something every car owner has done for decades.
My next car will be a vintage car. I've had enough of technology that makes my life harder...
Google absolutely did want all the data set back to their data center. Porsche clearly states this.
And it's perfectly reasonable for the in-car electronics to have and display all of these things. The problem is this conflation of "the local device needs this information to do its job" with "the company supplying the local device needs to upload all of this information to its servers and log it against your profile."
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FTFY. This nanny corp crap really needs to go away.
Nice try. The user interface is placed for operation by the driver. Whatever the passengers do with it will at least be in the peripheral vision of the driver, if not actually in the way of his right hand and arm - which I would count as a distraction again. Not to mention that to reach the UI, the passenger will likely need to move from his seat, probably including unbuckling, putting him in danger in case of accident. Which is actually more likely because he is fucking distracting the driver.
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What they are really worried about is people being able to install apps that diagnose problems with their car automatically. No need to buy and fit a cheap OBD-II dongle, just head over to the app store and download an app. They are probably also worried about things like emission data becoming common knowledge. The car has sensors, it knows how bad its exhaust is, but most people never see the data from them.
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So you are okay with Google checking if your car service light comes on and then to send you straight to the garage paying them to give them precedence over all others.
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No, and that's not how it would work, either. At worst, they'd have a couple sponsored results, which would be labeled as such, jus like current Google Maps searches
Yeah right. Get with the times, fanboy. Google has been selling search results without indicating it in their "special" searches like "Hotel Finder" and "Flight Search" for years.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.