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In Midst of a Tech Boom, Seattle Tries To Keep Its Soul

HughPickens.com writes: Nick Wingfield has an interesting article in the NYT about how Seattle, Austin, Boulder, Portland, and other tech hubs around the country are seeking not to emulate San Francisco where wealth has created a widely envied economy, but housing costs have skyrocketed, and the region's economic divisions have deepened with rent for a one-bedroom apartment in San Francisco at more than $3,500 a month, the highest in the country. "Seattle has wanted to be San Francisco for so long," says Knute Berger. "Now it's figuring out maybe that it isn't what we want to be." The core of the debate is over affordable housing and the worry that San Francisco is losing artists, teachers and its once-vibrant counterculture. "It's not that we don't want to be a thriving tech center — we do," says Alan Durning. "It's that the San Francisco and Silicon Valley communities have gotten themselves into a trap where preservationists and local politics have basically guaranteed buying a house will cost at least $1 million. Already in Seattle, it costs half-a-million, so we're well on our way."

Seattle mayor Ed Murray says he wants to keep the working-class roots of Seattle, a city with a major port, fishing fleet and even a steel mill. After taking office last year, Murray made the minimum-wage increase a priority, reassured representatives of the city's manufacturing and maritime industries that Seattle needed them., and has set a goal of creating 50,000 homes — 40 percent of them affordable for low-income residents — over the next decade. "We can hopefully create enough affordable housing so we don't find ourselves as skewed by who lives in the city as San Francisco is," says Murray. "We're at a crossroads," says Roger Valdez. "One path leads to San Francisco, where you have an incredibly regulated and stagnant housing economy that can't keep up with demand. The other path is something different, the Seattle way."

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  1. What they really need by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What Seattle really needs is better mass transit. The bus system is decent as far as U.S. cities go, but the traffic is some of the worst in the nation. If they're going to continue growing the metro area, they need some kind of mass transit that makes it possible to get around without adding even more cars to the highway.

    1. Re:What they really need by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I live in a major city and would take public transit if I reasonably could, but I'm not willing to turn my 30-minutes-each-way commute into 90 minutes.

      Which is EXACTLY the problem with public transit, It's almost never convenient for anybody using it, takes longer than driving yourself, and always requires financial support from tax payers because you never can charge the riders enough.

      Public transport is great for what it is, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking it is a solution for traffic congestion or that we can make it convenient and cheap enough to get people who have other options to ride it...

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    2. Re:What they really need by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is why Cali is loosing businesses in droves... They are moving out of the tax obsessed high rent areas into places like Texas, where the likes of Toyota has moved it's corporate headquarters and other businesses are shifting their staffing. It's happening in Illinois, New York, Massachusetts and many of the traditionally blue areas of the country, business is leaving and heading to states with low tax burdens and low cost of living.

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    3. Re:What they really need by Ichijo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      public transit...always requires financial support from tax payers because you never can charge the riders enough.

      Texas couldn't find a single road that paid for itself 100% through gas taxes and other user fees. Why should transit be held to a higher standard?

      And can you name a city that doesn't force developers and business owners to provide free parking and yet the majority of people still prefer to drive?

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    4. Re:What they really need by dave562 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To offer a single counter point, when I was living in Long Beach, CA and commuting into downtown Los Angeles, I opted to take the blue line instead. It took a little bit longer, but it was worth it for me because my employer subsidized the cost of the ticket as part of a county initiative to reduce traffic congestion.

      My options were sit in bumper to bumper traffic for an hour every morning, or kick back on the train and read for about an hour and fifteen minutes. To me, the extra 30 minutes I spent on the train every day was worth not having to sit in traffic and pay for gasoline.

      Just an opinion here, but I think that a person has to be a certain kind of sick in the head to actually prefer the "freedom" of sitting in their own car in traffic if given the opportunity take mass transit instead.

      I also had co-workers who took Amtrak trains into work from 50+ miles away. Another co-worker of mine rode the bus in.

      It has been my experience that in most cases, the challenge of getting people to take mass transit is cultural and based in classicism. I met people who had trouble getting their brains wrapped around the fact that I was making a six figure a year salary, and riding the train through south central Los Angeles. "You have a car, why would you want to subject yourself to that?" was a question that someone once asked me.

    5. Re:What they really need by bob_super · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're supposed to factor in the money saved in traffic jams, road repairs, accidents, road plowing, pollution, stress, old-people-off-the-road, parking...
      The point is NEVER for the public transit system to "break even". It's a quality of life investment which as lots of hard-to-quantify returns.

    6. Re:What they really need by pete6677 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What are you riding your bike on, dirt paths? Who do you think pays for those roads and bike paths you use?

      At least car drivers pay for roads in the form of gas taxes. What exactly do you pay for?

  2. Re:Don't worry, rasing the minimum wage will kill by Coren22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps rather than making up a conservative position that doesn't exist, you should try actually understanding the conservative position.

    $15/hr minimum wage means McDonalds can afford that burger robot to replace half their employees.

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  3. Who will... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Clean the office buildings at night
    Work at shops and restaurants
    Take care of your child
    Police your city

    This list can go on and on. People above can't afford to live the same city they work because of housing prices. I once asked a night janitor, who had his two sons with him at work that day, where he lived. He told me he lived more than an hour out of the city. I don't have any solutions but this isn't a good thing. Think about something catastrophic accident happening in the city and more than half the emergency services personnel are stuck in the massive traffic jam trying to enter the city.

  4. Re:Opinions: Many problems in Seattle and Portland by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The thing with bags is that you can replant a forest. You can't replant an oil well.

    Plastic production and recycling isn't exactly "pollution free" either.

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  5. Don't cry for me Seattle by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many whines about too many tech jobs ruining Seattle for the workin' man do we need to see?

    Every town without a tech boom wishes they had your problems.

  6. Re:Opinions: Many problems in Seattle and Portland by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not have reusable bags? Most of the planet does stuff like that. We all used to do that before plastic or paper bags existed. I've never even had to buy reusable grocery bags because I get them sent to me by charities, they're given out at events, you can even use your swag bag from conferences. Its very easy.