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Amazon To Offer Sneakernet Services: Data Upload By Mail

blueshift_1 writes: If you have 50TB of data that you'd like to put on the S3 cloud, Amazon is releasing Snowball. It's basically a large grey box full of hard drives that Amazon will mail to you. Simply upload your files and mail it back — they will upload it for you. For $200 + shipping, it's at a pretty reasonable price point if you're tired of hosting your data and want to try and push that to AWS. ("Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway." -Tanenbaum, Andrew S.)

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  1. It's been available for a while by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's nice they've got an official box and all, but the service to send disks to Amazon has been there for a while (as a beta program).

    Here is a blog post from 2009 explaining the service.

    Of course, a nice official controlled and encrytped box is a far tidier way of doing things!

    -- Pete.

    1. Re:It's been available for a while by willworkforbeer · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, and those disks make a detour to the NSA on their way to Amazon. Very convenient, indeed.

      It was the shipping via Black Helicopter Express that gave it away.

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    2. Re:It's been available for a while by danceswithtrees · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even without the detour, what are the security ramifications of connecting a foreign device to your network? Its from Amazon, they have an image to protect, but what if they get hacked or the packaged gets switched/tampered with en route? The device can silently start making its way around your network collecting data you didn't want to upload.

      I'll take off my aluminum Faraday beanie cap now.

    3. Re:It's been available for a while by davester666 · · Score: 2

      And then there is the opposite problem. This could make an excellent entry vector to Amazon's cloud service that may not be as protected as 'normal' uploading via the Internet.

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  2. Re:Theft waiting to happen by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

    Encrypt it?

    Why would you store valuable data in plain text on a cloud service?

  3. Re:Theft waiting to happen by hawguy · · Score: 5, Informative

    The boxes in which these hard drives ship will be obvious that they're from Amazon. It's an invitation to thieves to steal the boxes and the data on the hard drives. I can't understand why ANYONE would ship data of any value in this manner.

    The data is encrypted by the tool that copies data to the device. It doesn't seem like it would take too many thefts before UPS/FedEx roots out their thieving employees.

  4. A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by Drakonblayde · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the beginning, networking was developed so that folks wouldn't have to shuttle data back and forth via locomotion.

    Now, we have so much data and fast bandwidth is so expensive, that transferring data to another site physically is actually a consideration.

    1. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Now, we have so much data and fast bandwidth is so expensive, that transferring data to another site physically is actually a consideration.

      Was there ever a time this wasn't true?

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    2. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by infolation · · Score: 2

      No matter how much bandwidth there is, people will always want to move more data than there is bandwidth.

      To use the time-honoured car analogy, no matter how many roads the government builds, there will always be enough cars to jam them up.

    3. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      For sufficiently latency-insensitive operations I don't think that it has every really gone away; but my impression(based on hazy memory and anecdote, though I'd welcome anyone with actual numbers) is that, unless you live in an atypically favored location, the delta between the storage you can afford and what the ISP will sell you, much less at a price you can stomach, has actually increased over time, thanks to HDDs massively upping their game while ISPs have improved; but rather more slowly(especially on upload).

    4. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      At the opposite end of the scale, I have been unable to persuade any of my pigeons to take off with an LTO tape attached to their legs.

      Has anyone else succeeded with this?

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    5. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

      At the opposite end of the scale, I have been unable to persuade any of my pigeons to take off with an LTO tape attached to their legs.

      Has anyone else succeeded with this?

      Try disguising it as a coconut. Works better with swallows, however.

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    6. Re:A perfect example of why tech is cyclical.... by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      To the point where I haven't actually used physical media in quite a long time. Need to install an ISO? Flash a thumb drive and boot.

      So you haven't used physical media, but you used physical media (a flash drive) to install software onto another physical media (presumably a hard/solid state drive).

      You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

  5. Re:Theft waiting to happen by Drakonblayde · · Score: 3, Informative

    And yes, excerpted directly from the service web page found at https://aws.amazon.com/importe...

    'Once it arrives, attach the appliance to your local network, download and run the Snowball client to establish a connection, and then use the client to select the file directories that you want to transfer to the appliance. The client will then encrypt and transfer the files to the appliance at high speed.'

    So unless the client is absolute crap, it's a pretty good solution

  6. Re:Theft waiting to happen by CSMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't understand [...]

    And that should be your cue not to post, and think for a moment. If you have sensitive data, you use encryption.

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  7. And when you want to move your data out? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do they load the box and send it back to you when you're moving to another service or returning to self-hosting?

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    1. Re:And when you want to move your data out? by Drakonblayde · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, it's 200 bucks + 3 cents a gig if you want them to ship the data to you, which isn't terribly unreasonable

  8. Re:Theft waiting to happen by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Unless they really screw up the encryption(in which case the value of some of the data being transported might be worthwhile); these things seem like they'd actually be pretty dubious theft options. Even new, 50TB worth of consumer grade disk(I assume that Amazon is using some redundancy; but probably isn't splurging on SAS or fancy-enterprise-SATA for disks that will spend most of their life with Fedex, not actually spinning) isn't actually all that valuable(4TB drives are ~$150 retail, 6TB ~$250) and 'used' is not a happy word when trying to sell a hard drive. Plus it's essentially certain that Amazon has every serial number, MAC address, etc. of every component in the box on record, so you are SOL if anyone ever checks.

    It also wouldn't be too surprising if the case has some level of active anti-theft reporting. Given that sub-$100 cellphones have GPS, a cell modem, one or more accelerometers, and are built on SoCs with enough GPIO to connect a bunch of tamper switches/sensors to; it wouldn't be particularly impractical for the box to report its location, integrity, orientation, and vibration levels every 30 seconds for the entire trip. Not impossible to defeat; but you'd need to nab it in an area of no service and silence it(by force or RF-blocking container) before moving it elsewhere.

    I'd certainly encrypt my data carefully before consigning it to either the post or the internet; but I'd be surprised if hitting these boxes would be a good risk/reward for postal employees(though I know I'd like a look at what is inside, a nice rugged network attached storage module is likely to be a neat piece of gear).

  9. Re:Theft waiting to happen by Rainbow+Nerds · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are versions for Windows, OS X, and Linux. Amazon supports the Snowball Client for Ubuntu 12+ and RHEL 6+, but no doubt it can run on other systems. https://aws.amazon.com/importexport/tools/

    Also, as per this link, they're working on chain-of-custody tracking using GPS. Amazon has already considered the possibility of theft and it doesn't seem likely to be an issue.

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  10. Not gonna happen by garryknight · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have 50TB of data that you'd like to put on the S3 cloud, Amazon is releasing Snowball.

    I don't, therefore it isn't.

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    1. Re:Not gonna happen by dave420 · · Score: 2

      You heard him, Amazon! Garry Knight isn't interested, so just shut the whole operation down. Raze it to the ground! Salt the earth! Garry Knight has spoken!

  11. Re:Theft waiting to happen by dave420 · · Score: 2

    Stop raining on everyone's parade! It's obviously an NSA operation, the software only works with Windows ME or Vista, and every time someone uses it an "SJW" is born.

  12. Re:Just in time by dave420 · · Score: 2

    Chrisq? Is that you?

  13. The future is here! by Chelloveck · · Score: 2

    I just had Amazon sneakernet some movies to me. Instead of suffer that tedious streaming download I had them put the data on optical disks and mail them to me. When they get here I'll rip them to my hard drive and be all set! That's customer service you just can't get from Hulu. I expect this sort of download to really take off over the next few years.

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