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"E-mailable" House Snaps Together Without Nails (clemson.edu)

MikeChino writes: Your next house could snap together like a jigsaw puzzle without the use of any power tools. Clemson University students designed and built Indigo Pine, a carbon-neutral house that exists largely as a set of digital files that can be e-mailed to a wood shop anywhere in the world, CNC cut, and then assembled on-site in a matter of days. “Indigo Pine has global application,” says the Clemson team. “Because the house exists largely as a set of digital files, the plans can be sent anywhere in the world, constructed using local materials, adapted to the site, and influenced by local culture.”

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  1. How do they know it's "carbon neutral"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    “Because the house exists largely as a set of digital files, the plans can be sent anywhere in the world, constructed using local materials, adapted to the site, and influenced by local culture.”

    Geez, don't know what it's going to be made of yet they still claim it's "carbon neutral".

    1. Re:How do they know it's "carbon neutral"? by willworkforbeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      “Because the house exists largely as a set of digital files, the plans can be sent anywhere in the world, constructed using local materials, adapted to the site, and influenced by local culture.”

      Geez, don't know what it's going to be made of yet they still claim it's "carbon neutral".

      It just means all the carbon parts are painted beige.

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    2. Re:How do they know it's "carbon neutral"? by kmoser · · Score: 1

      The *design* is carbon neutral because the cost to ship it is only a handful of electrons.

  2. any old blueprint can be emailed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    And you'd think anyone with access to a laser cutter would have access to nails.

    1. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by unrtst · · Score: 1

      And you'd think anyone with access to a laser cutter would have access to nails.

      This seems better stated than most of the other rants that got upmodded.

      It also seems trivial and obvious to continue that thought... the basic building supplies available world wide can be easily adapted to simple housing plans (for example, see the places that Habitat For Humanity builds... they're real houses with simple plans that ordinary folk can build out of inexpensive off the shelf materials).

      How the hell is CNC milling all the parts more efficient than slapping together some 2x4's and/or cement blocks?

      Their toy houses sound like an exagerated industrial design class experiment/project, but nothing with any real world applicability.

    2. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably the houses use more advanced architecture to make them more energy efficient and some of that architecture requires more complex structural shapes that the C&C mill can achieve but amateurs with hand saws would most likely screw up. Once the shapes are milled however they can be snapped in place by anyone who can read the manual... so still probably going top getscrewed up most of the time.

    3. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by boristdog · · Score: 2

      And 50% of building is in site prep, foundation and utilities, so someone attempting to build this will end up with nothing more than a shed if you don't have utilities.

    4. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by internerdj · · Score: 1

      Looks like part of the design is solar power. I'm not sure how you CNC a solar panel out of plywood but I'd certainly be interested in knowing.

    5. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And another 50% of building is in attention to detail and careful measurement.

      And another 50% of building is in the selection of appropriate materials, and careful design.

      And another 50% is related to color choice and sun exposure.

      Look everybody, I can make up random statistics about a field I don't know a fucking thing about, too!

    6. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Especially a set of solar panels with 17% efficiency.

      http://sroeco.com/solar/most-e...

      It looks like there are only 2 manufacturers even making panels that efficient, and they are the most expensive ones (understandably).

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    7. Re: any old blueprint can be emailed by IBME · · Score: 1

      "How the hell is CNC milling all the parts more efficient than slapping together some 2x4's and/or cement blocks?" Simple. As the word "CNC" means, the entire structure, minus insulation, walls, etc. would be cut so precisely that it would be similar to lego style construction. IE, no waste whatsoever unless by man himself. Looking at the modern day construction practices where there is tons of waste and in general environmental problems such as; cracks for insect invasion, lack of proper insulation etc., and the heavy dependence on the local municipality for energy, waste removal etc. IMHO, all structures should be computerized and cnc'd. With enough people you could build a very very modern two-story structure in one day with hardly any waste whatsoever. It is quite the future and I like it.

    8. Re: any old blueprint can be emailed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he made sense and was partly right. You on the other hand are an idiot.

    9. Re:any old blueprint can be emailed by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

      You don't even need nails, take a look at traditional Japanese woodworking, https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    10. Re: any old blueprint can be emailed by dwywit · · Score: 1

      See if you can find some episodes of a British TV show called "Grand designs"

      A moderately pompous but well meaning and personable architect travels around the UK visiting building sites and recording the process of construction. Not ordinary housing, but people who've picked unusual projects - medieval barn restoration, cut-into-the-hillside dwellings, mansions on small plots, etc.

      A number of them feature plans that are designed to take advantage of high-tech pre-fab techniques. The plans are emailed to a construction facility in Europe (mostly Germany), where wall panels, roof, etc are manufactured - precisely enough that they don't need any trimming onsite. They use a number of techniques, but mostly pressure-glued laminates of various types. The "house" arrives on the back of a truck, and assembled relatively quickly because it's mostly a case of "tab A into slot B". It's very precise and apparently cost-competitive with conventional construction.

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  3. Neat by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    It's a cool project. Probably good for mass production, though plywood tends to be about 2-3x as expensive per board-foot, so there would need to be a lot of efficiency built in to match the raw material cost.

    Also, it will be very difficult to customize.

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    1. Re:Neat by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Also I'm guessing difficult to keep attached to the ground in high winds. I wouldn't want to be in this in any kind of adverse weather conditions.

    2. Re:Neat by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's easy. It's not like the foundations will be made of plywood. You can tie things down with a minimum number of simple anchors (or complex ones, if you absolutely have to avoid bolts).

      Using a bunch of plywood does mean having to be smart with shear wall connections, though. Without nails, there are no stressed-skin anchors or plate to web shear transfer mechanisms (field glue doesn't count). Which is, of course, bolsters my point about the inability to modify/customize the houses. The more highly engineered a product is for efficiency, the more sensitive it is to changes in configuration.

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  4. ...except for the bits that don't. by BaronM · · Score: 1

    Nice work, but it's pretty clear from the article that only the structural bits go together without fasteners (mostly). All of the interior finishes, doors, windows, etc. all clearly use conventional screws/nails. Not surprising, but not really the 'snap-together' house that the headline indicates, unless you plan to live in a bare structure open to the elements.

    1. Re:...except for the bits that don't. by kaka.mala.vachva · · Score: 1

      I'd rather my house had snap on interior bits, and conventional screws/nails in the exterior.

    2. Re:...except for the bits that don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you can save money on buying nails for the interior bits? As an added bonus the house may fall down unexpectedly. But you saved $200 in nails!

    3. Re:...except for the bits that don't. by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      No, so you can repair/update the electrical or plumbing by popping off a panel, doing the work, then snapping it back on again instead of having to demolish and re-finish the drywall.

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    4. Re: ...except for the bits that don't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because having to do that is an everyday job. Hint it's not. I've lived in 2 houses both for 15+ years over my life. Not once have we had to do that kind of work.

    5. Re:...except for the bits that don't. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Refinishing drywall is pretty trivial these days. Hell, you can buy a kit at your local hardware store, watch a video and fix it in an afternoon. The problem with panels is that they are never where the problem is.

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  5. You wouldn't email a house! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or, something like that.

  6. Just a thought by dollar99 · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure if your local lumber yard has a CNC machine they probably also sell hammers and nails.

  7. Yikes. Some quick observations. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Standard blueprints can already be e-mailed.

    I would say the majority of existing homeowners did not use a single power tool to build their house either.

    Will this meet building codes.

    I see dimensional lumber in some of those photos.

    Surely every potential homeowner / builder will have a cnc machine.

    My mail client does not have the receive plywood feature. Can i upgrade?

  8. An ikea threw up by silas_moeckel · · Score: 4, Informative

    And made this house.

    No bolts? Thats a huge porch roof that needs to be secured lets the next hurricane rip it off. Sure you could go old school and use post and beam style but you still have to tie it down to the foundation.

    Speaking of the foundation it looks like many small concrete blocks hopefully over slab on grade. It's not big enough to use as a service crawlspace I hope there is never a plumbing or vermin issue. There will be a vermin issue as it's a magnet for rodents and such. Again how they planning on fastening it to the ground so it does not blow away without bolts. Earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes and floods happen even in some hippy dippy microhouse.

    Combo PV and hot water, it generally makes sense you're effectively cooling the PV panels and using the waste heat.

    My mid 70's passive solar house did most of this and did it better, a basement floor drain doubles as outside air natural convection will cool the house and it preheats outside air in the winter. My 1954 well architected home did the math for correct overhangs and orientation to deal with solar gain without throwing ugly boxes around the windows. Correct plantings do wonders leaves for shade in summer not so much in winter.

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    1. Re:An ikea threw up by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      There are lots of ways to anchor without bolts. A hook and clasp embedded in the concrete through a hole in a primary vertical element would work, as would several wedge retained mortise/tenon options. There are hundreds of years of timber joints to pull from (not that they are the most cost effective compared to a modern hold-down).

      Their advantage is the possibility of deep members - much deeper than framing lumber. Their drawback is lateral/flexural/torsional stability problems, especially with few ways to create shear transfer between elements (usu done with nails).

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    2. Re:An ikea threw up by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2

      That massive sail aka carport and porch roof would need something to hold it down, looking closely at the pictures it looks like traditional standoffs to the vertical supports those would have nails/bolts. From the looks of it it uses a lot of 2x lumber and some fairly long lengths at that.

      Overall it looks like the whole things is just on blocks in a parking lot. Making this be a practical structure that meets code is safe to live in etc etc would require a lot of fasteners or a lot of effort to try and avoid them.

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    3. Re:An ikea threw up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I'm not the only one who noticed this "completely made out of CNC milled plywood" house used a whole lot of 2x lumber in that fancy porch/garage. And if you look closely, they also used a metric crap ton of nails to hold all that 2x lumber together. So maybe the house proper is CNC milled, but that carport/port thing sure as hell isn't.

  9. Not for cold environments by zerosomething · · Score: 1

    I'm tired of seeing these things done by people in the south and sunny California where you don't need good insulation. Lots of BS about outdoor living spaces etc. Lets do the Solar Decathlon in Fargo North Dakota in February and see how these piles of lumber actually stack up. There's already a well defined system of building using SIP panels that provide significant improvement to the insulation value of the house system. They work well in hot and cold climates and are built form CNC cut panels that slot together. Or you can use the styrofoam and concrete building block method. Either method of building is going to give you a better insulated home that will have a lower energy impact on the environment over it's life time than what's been presented in this article. The only potential advantage of this kind of CNC cut panel house is for the DIY builder which could be valuable but it's still sadly lacking compared to other existing processes

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    1. Re:Not for cold environments by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Clemson is in South Carolina... They don't get snow often, but the houses are well insulated to save on cooling costs for sure.

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    2. Re:Not for cold environments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For heating and cooling, the delta is the overriding factor in efficiency. The difference between uncomfortable and comfortable for hot weather is probably a max of 40 degrees, though most often about half that. i.e. 75 inside vs 115 outside. For heating on the other hand. If it is near freezing, you're looking at minimum of 40 degrees, and possibly double that. Cooling is way easier than heating.

    3. Re:Not for cold environments by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. Cooling requires a complicated air conditioning system with a condenser, evaporator, heat sink, cooling fans, and refrigerant lines running about. Heating requires fire or a hot piece of metal. It costs a heck of a lot less in natural gas to heat a house 40 degrees above ambient than it does to cool a house using the AC using electricity 40 degrees below ambient.

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    4. Re:Not for cold environments by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Cooling is way easier than heating.

      That explains why humans had Aircon millions of years before they discovered fire...

    5. Re:Not for cold environments by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Not only that, but most home HVAC systems aren't capable of cooling a house to 40 degrees below ambient. 20 is more typical, and you can improve on that some with good insulation and recirculation, but the heat flowing from the environment into the cooler house is still going to increase proportionally to the temperature difference. Heating, as you pointed out, costs much less in direct terms (though it requires burning a carbon-based fuel) because it doesn't have to move heat and dump it somewhere else, it actually creates it out of an energy source directly.

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  10. you caught up to what Testes was doing 80 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It just sucks, and its why all your snap-tite models fall apart and you end up using model glue on them anyway.

    Some things are not meant to be put together in a half-ass flimsy way so the first strong breeze shakes it loose.

    Good job Clemson, you caught up to what Testes was doing 80 years ago.

    Not exactly sure why they think that architects don't use digital files for any house that gets built. The paper plans you see are for the builders who aren't carrying a fragile computer around the job site.

    Perhaps we should require that professors who work at these universities have some sort of actual real world experience on an ongoing regular basis so they don't repeat the same shit 12 year olds were doing before they were born.

    "Testes"?

    What kind of models you playing with son?

  11. Wood frame homes are expensive. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Informative
    The basic construction is based on finished lumber. Lumber is actually a very expensive material. Wood is plentiful around the world. But most of them grow in stunted, twisted, gnarled forms without much of structural strength. Wood that can be finished into lumber comes from barely a dozen (or at most two dozen) species around the world. It tends to be very expensive.

    Most homes in developing countries are built using bricks, clay, or concrete and cement. Wood, glass, steel and aluminum are expensive and rare in most of the world.

    So why can't these digital files be adapted to clay, brick or cement construction?

    Fundamentally all the materials have enormous strength in compression. We knew we could pile brick on brick, dirt on dirt and build enormous, stable enduring structures 5 to 10 thousand years ago. But all of them are brittle and they have no real strength in tension. They have very little elasticity. For a design to "snap" together, you need a little bit of elasticity and some tensile strength. You can not "bend" a concrete beam a little, snap it into place and it would not "spring" back to assume old shape with old strength. Bent concrete is dead concrete.

    R & D on developing cheap housing for the developing nations is a very active area of research. Many universities around the world are working on it. But most solutions are dull, and do not lend themselves to flashy headlines. Back when I was in college, the very first rupee I earned in my life came from the Centre for Rural Development, Indian Institute of Technology, Madras. We were working on natural gas from cow waste, cottage industries suitable for rural areas, efficient wood burning stoves, and cheaper construction techniques for mud huts. Internet has a role to play in rural development. But it is not going to be as simple as mailing a few files around the world.

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    1. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by fraxinus-tree · · Score: 1

      "So why can't these digital files be adapted to clay, brick or cement construction?" Because building using rock, clay, brick or cement has long-established local traditions everywhere. Such files will bring you nothing.

    2. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There's no reason that you couldn't have a masonry wall system and this kind of roof.

      Of course, they're using plywood, which is about 3x as expensive as structural lumber (on a boardfoot basis), and CNC milling - which is not really "developing country" stuff. This is new age construction for hipsters. You make your couple million then go "roughing it" in a 900SF house for a few years and blog about it until the money runs out and you get tired of no Starbucks. Then you go back with your "world experience" to get another job and a $1.5M condo in the city.

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    3. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like those people know how to live!

    4. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An enormous 3D printer, capable of printing the whole house using clay?

    5. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      If it didn't use wood they couldn't claim it was carbon neutral. Kind of silly IMHO. If a structure requires carbon but has a service life of 100 years I would say it was well spent....

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    6. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 1

      Internet has a role to play in rural development. But it is not going to be as simple as mailing a few files around the world.

      But meh slacktivism! Can't I just click "Share" on Facebook and make the world a better place?

      Lumber is actually a very expensive material. Wood is plentiful around the world. But most of them grow in stunted, twisted, gnarled forms without much of structural strength.

      That caught my attention to, but this is the reason that HDF was invented. The idea of "Emailing a house" is stupid, just like we all knew it would be. But the idea of flat-packing and shipping a prefabricated structure is what should be investigated further. The biggest hurdle in producing cheap housing in underdeveloped areas is their lack or absence of infrastructure such as heavy machinery to process raw resources into usable materials. But what if you could eliminate the need for that machine? Why can't we build the parts for ten houses in an industrialized region and ship them across the country for assembly on a single truck? Now I get the impression that logistics in India presents it's own set of problems. But if we address one problem at a time, we'll eventually get there.

    7. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Shipping pre fabricated homes has a long history in the USA. Sears, Roebuck and Company used to sell homes in its catalog and ship them by rail and carts. Some of the homes built in 1890s are still standing.

      The basic problem in developing nations, especially in rural areas, is the lack of capital. Let me give a simple example: India has the largest cattle population in the world. Rural Indian villages, and many parts of its cities too are deluged with cow waste. Imagine how much the life will be better if we could contain the cow waste to remove the odor, separate the combustible gases for fuel, and the remaining bio matter to be used as fertilizer! Fuel and fertilizer alone would justify themselves based on cash flow and the odor elimination is a pure bonus!

      How much would it cost? What kind of high tech process you need to do this? You need to dig a pit about 25 feet deep, 10 feet in diameter, fill it with cow waste, cover it with some kind of plastic sheet or a metal lid or even a brick dome. You need a central pivot and some paddles to stir it once or twice a day. A smaller diameter tube to extract stuff from the bottom without disturbing the layers on top. Takes about two weeks for the anaerobic bacteria to start working. You can collect odorless natural gas from the top, pull buckets of organic fertilizer from the bottom. Once it gets going this can handle a herd of about 20 cows. The farmer has excess natural gas to cook, to make added products like par-boiled rice, or distillation or popped grains or make country sugar... all of them need lots of fuel. Fertilizer is valuable. Costs less than 250$ to build this. Still not much of market penetration. I remember making presentations to villagers back in 1980s. They simply don't have 250$ to invest.

      Shipped prefabricated homes are developed nation solution. The lack of capital for to do even mind bogglingly simple things is just staggering.

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    8. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about much of the world but Pine board (2x4, 2x6, 2x10, 2x12, etc) is a pretty common and cheap building material in my area, and it can be finished fairly well. However prefinished boards are extremely expensive, mostly because they use the most choice pine and require several visual inspections for quality at multiple stages. It probably could be done cheaply on a bulk basis with the cheap rough boards but that capability currently doesn't exist and most finishing of this type would be done on site. Also the lengths in the images that I saw might be an issue, the boards become increasingly expensive as they get longer due to difficulties transporting and sourcing, finger joining might (cutting notches in the end of two boards and gluing them together) be an option but again would require significant onsite labor. If this kind of home construction became popular mass production could easily bring down the costs but its a chicken and egg problem, mass production isn't going to happen unless there is a demand and demand isn't going to materialize unless the prices come down. As far as adapting these kinds of designs to stone/clay/concrete there are some groups working on using a large concrete based 3d printer to build wall/roof segments (plumbing, heating, etc integrated right in) and shipping them to a job site, mostly for large projects but I imagine it could be adapted for residential.

    9. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Where there are forests lumber is cheap. Just about every house in Canada, probably in the northern half of the US, and most the northern part of Europe has a wood frame and underfloor. I can go to any large hardware store near me and there are rows of lumber available. If I want to build a deck or patio it's the cheapest option. Same for a fence. In Canada we don't use it for the outside of the houses because other options are less maintenance.

    10. Re: Wood frame homes are expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could do like the farmers by my house and just stack shit til you can't stack it anymore on a big concrete slab and let it sit for months. Seriously, he has shit piles about 300 feet from
      where the cows roam. He just dumps all the shit in one place and forgets about it until he needs the fertilizer. It sits under a bunch of trees. This farmer is the cheapest farmer I've ever met. Not to mention he is a fucking slum lord.
      My neighbors rent trailors from him. The one was slanted and the bathtub was on an angle because the floor was rotted. Black mold everywhere. He never fixes shit. But hey the rents cheap. That's what the tenants would say.
      Sad.

    11. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Whatsisname · · Score: 1

      I live in Minneapolis, and my house was built in 1902, and arrived via rails exactly how you described. Most of the houses on my block are from the same time as well.

    12. Re: Wood frame homes are expensive. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
      In the USA the natural gas is so cheap it is not worth capturing it from the shitpile. And there is no relief from odor pollution in this method. Simply covering the pile with plastic and sticking in perforated pvc pipes would be enough to capture the methane.

      USA has about 100 million cows. I calculated once that six cows can produce enough methane to drive a car for about 15000 miles. We could move 15 million cars off the imported oil if we could sell the idea of cow gas plants to the US farmers. But unlikely to succeed. Organic fertilizer and odor relief are the big gains here. Methane is too cheap.

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    13. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      So why can't these digital files be adapted to clay, brick or cement construction?

      Because there is no need. If you have brick and mortar, and know how to lay them, you can create your own house without outside help (which is pretty much what the developing world already does now).
      This is a solution looking for a problem.

    14. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      And they blog about it incessantly.

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    15. Re:Wood frame homes are expensive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're telling me someone that has 20 or more cattle can't afford to spend the equivalent of $250?

  12. More environmentally friendly options? by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

    Wouldn't a good option be to simply get a couple old shipping containers and do a little cutting and welding? You could use spray-on insulation and cover it in drywall. Would also be heavier and structurally much more sound than plywood. The stackable nature of containers means you could easily build a 2 story house, by building stairs and using 1 container for a hallway and 1 room and an adjoining container divided into 2-3 rooms. 4 old 40ft containers would get you 1200 sq ft and would cost 10-12k total. Bonus points for being green by using "reclaimed" items like the old shipping containers, reclaimed lumber for flooring/cabinets/furniture, etc.

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    1. Re:More environmentally friendly options? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      The shipping container concept is just as much of a gimmick as this. The cost of housing is not in the frame, it is the foundations/site and the fittings, none of which are solved with contrivances such as these.

  13. Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I'm really looking for is a house that exists as a set of digital files that can be sent to any woodworking shop and...

  14. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Elfich47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Paper plans are there for a different reason: Paper plans are stamped and signed by the architect/engineer and are the record/permit/contract set of construction drawings. I can't see any contractor worth his salt saying "I'll build that building based on a computer file that can be updated by remote push down"; there are to many chances of undocumented changes, issues on change orders and lawsuits over undocumented changes. And its not like engineering, architecture and contracting don't have enough of those problems.

    I see is that there is plenty of dimensional lumber being used in that structural system. Different areas of the world use different dimensional lumber sizes than the US. Some areas of the world don't have dimensional lumber. Some areas of the world don't have the infrastructure required (dimensional lumber, CNC machines, trucks to ship the lumber).

    I have concerns with the long term stability, durability of the structure. Nails and glue have been in use for a while (hundreds, if not thousands of years) because they work.

    As a construction experiment in using new technology to find new ways to design and build buildings it is an interesting experiment. I applaud them for trying this. Its like looking at the concept cars that Ford, Nissan, Subaru, etc release every year and are loaded up with all sorts of outlandish features, some of which will obviously never get to production, some need some refinement and some are pretty good. I have no problem with someone deciding to build the equivalent of a concept car. Don't be surprised if your concept takes a long time to be adopted by the building industry. It will take that long to be vetted by architects, engineers, suppliers and contractors. Hell - it took almost twenty years for contractors to adopt Pro-Press pipe fittings as the preferred option over copper sweated fittings (and that is just copper pipe).

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  15. i would prefer a house be made of concrete by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    made with a 3D printer so when it is all done it is monolithic and practically able to withstand tornadoes and hurricanes https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  16. CAD files can be emailed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to any part of the world and used for the construction of an object in situm, provided the right kind workshop and source materials are available.

    Who would have thought such an advanced idea would be discovered in *2015*? SHOCK-ING.

  17. Emailing blue prints by vvaduva · · Score: 1

    Do people know that you can also e-mail blue prints for standard houses too? Does that make the house "e-mailable?"

    1. Re:Emailing blue prints by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      No, your house plans uses nails. Nails disqualify you. Try using something simpler like a CNC next time.

      Sheesh, get with the times bud.

    2. Re:Emailing blue prints by vvaduva · · Score: 1

      LOL.

    3. Re:Emailing blue prints by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I read the article and entire comments section to find a reason why they are trying to avoid nails. Seems like a lot of effort to avoid spending $50...

  18. BS is strong these days by SecurityGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know why, but outrageously stupid statements are becoming more and more common. No, this house doesn't "exist largely as a set of digital files". It exists largely as tons of wood. The *instructions* are digital files.

    1. Re:BS is strong these days by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      One of their links to the the "Wikihouse", an even more barf-tastic name. Neither this things or the Wikihouse actually go into any detail as to what holds them together, despite it being the most attention grabbing part of the click-bait. Usually that means it is a gimmick. "No nails!" might mean it uses screws only, "No bolts!" might mean only nails...

      90% website design, 10% house design. What could go wrong?

  19. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    Nails and glue have been in use for a while (hundreds, if not thousands of years) because they work.

    Mortise and tenon predate nails and what we'd consider a suitable glue. Advances don't happen if people always stick only with what has always worked and not try other things that may work better or differently.

  20. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nails... have been in use for a while (hundreds, if not thousands of years)

    Not as much as you might think. Until the industrial revolution, nails had to be made one at a time by a blacksmith and were thus freaking expensive.

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  21. No basement? by pz · · Score: 2

    Anywhere it freezes in the winter (which covers a rather large swath of the world, but certainly not all of it), you need to establish the foundation below the soil frost depth or face your foundation heaving each winter and slowly but surely twisting your building into collapse. This building seems to have been designed for zones where the ground does not freeze.

    Also, what happens when the nice solar panels get covered in six feet of snow? Oh, right, not made for that application. And when the wind blows hard and tears off the nice deck / car park? Right, again, not made for that application, either.

    So, OK, they designed a house for temperate climates with moderate weather in a way that does not require nails or screws. An interesting design challenge, somewhat like, "let's see how fast the two of us can run in a three-legged race!" It's fun, you might learn something about design, but isn't really all that practical. Moreover, I see a lot of very expensive finish ply in those photos, so this design isn't intended for low-income housing.

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  22. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nails and glue have been in use for a while (hundreds, if not thousands of years) because they work.

    Japanese have been building houses and temples without any nails and glue for hundreds of years. Here's a couple of videos I came across recently. They swear by it. I'm by no means an expert so I can't go any deeper into the subject. But clearly neither are you.

  23. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by tibit · · Score: 1

    I can't see any contractor worth his salt saying "I'll build that building based on a computer file that can be updated by remote push down"

    Nice straw man, and this is "5 Insightful"? The fuck?

    Who the heck is talking of remote push down or undocumented changes? Do you even live in the same world I do? When the plans are final and approved, every contractor - at least in the U.S. - already gets their paper copies based on digital files that were a part of the bid package. They can also get those digitally, and have their site workers use whatever digital tech they care for to view those if they prefer that over dead trees.

    The rest of your post makes sense, but please stop with the imaginary problems. Nobody is optically copying blueprints anymore.

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  24. Lego house? by andyring · · Score: 1

    Umm, yeah. I live in Nebraska. Here, we have these things called "tornados." They're super windy god-sized vacuum cleaners that rake across the landscape periodically.

    Do I really want a snap-together house the next time the tornado sirens start going?

    1. Re:Lego house? by jsepeta · · Score: 1

      No, but after the [tornado / hurricane / monsoon / forest fire / mudslide / earthquake], use snap-together housing to keep the victims of natural disasters indoors. After watching the FEMA-funded disasters built near my hometown in Indiana and shipped to the victims of Hurricane Katrina, we could probably benefit from simple designs for temporary shelters.

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    2. Re:Lego house? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that I don't have to live in fear of a giant vortex of sucking hell descending upon my home.

    3. Re:Lego house? by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      A portable shelter in the form of a 20ft or 40ft shipping container might be great because the infrastructure exists to move them around so easily. You could load a couple thousand on a ship to move them to the nearest port and then use a combination of trains and trucks to get them to where you need. Just need a few cranes at the site to take them off the truck and it's ready to go. Would have to be better than the trailers FEMA have before.

    4. Re:Lego house? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      A portable shelter in the form of a 20ft or 40ft shipping container might be great because the infrastructure exists to move them around so easily. You could load a couple thousand on a ship to move them to the nearest port and then use a combination of trains and trucks to get them to where you need. Just need a few cranes at the site to take them off the truck and it's ready to go. Would have to be better than the trailers FEMA have before.

      Shipping containers require a lot of conversion work, as otherwise they're freezing in the winter and sweltering in the summer. They're better than nothing, but so's a decent tent.

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  25. We just use bricks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just use bricks. I fail to see the innovative aspect of this being "emailable" or not using nails. It could potentially cut out a few (architect, constructionworker) middle mans if in one manages to email this to his woodworker, but i still recon the one who builds it is not the one who pays the bill. Perhaps this is an idea for the the EU accommodating DIY inclined refuges, they can occupy themselves with building homes.

    1. Re:We just use bricks by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Perhaps this is an idea for the the EU accommodating DIY inclined refuges,

      Probably not. Wood is extremely expensive here. Unlike nails. Or bricks.

      And I can't see you getting planning permission without an architect.

      The reason people dont build there own houses here is planning permission.

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  26. The email-able space station by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thrust in the stupid statements peaking right now while social media lowered the norm. I cant imagine any "the email-able space station" news in the future.

  27. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freaking expensive? Sure, that's why they find so many of them in the ground. A good blacksmith can make a nail in 7 strokes of the hammer.

  28. What the hell is 'carbon neutral'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh, you mean 'catastrophic man-made global warming' isn't a massive scam by a bunch of completely corrupt 'scientists' who are paid a fortune for trying to scare the rest of the population into paying them even more for their 'vital research' on 'climate change'.

    www.climatedepot.com
    www.wattsupwiththat.com

  29. CNC ... totally available EVERYWHERE! NOT! by Tsu+Dho+Nimh · · Score: 1

    Gee ... shipped anywhere they have CNC milling equipment AND plywood.

    Not really as useful to the rural poor and disaster areas as it sounds if you need all that infrastructure.

  30. Bricks don't grow on trees by michael.karl.coleman · · Score: 1

    If we use up all of our clay, we'll be in deep trouble.

  31. Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by Elfich47 · · Score: 2

    I think I said that advances occur very slowly in the construction industry. Mortise and tenon has been abandoned. Why? Because something came along that was cheaper/faster with all other things being equal. Eventually something will come along that will replace nails and glue. I don't know what it is.

    I won't use a technology/system that hasn't already been vetted through the insurance and rating agencies (UL, et al). If you come to me trying to get me to schedule/specify a product that hasn't made it past the rating agencies I'll throw you out with the bath water. I don't have time for untested and unrated equipment.

    There are plenty of competing technologies that are tested and rated (have the UL mark) and are still trying to break into competitive construction in a big manner:

    Precut lumber (mostly in use in custom home construction but not much elsewhere)
    Engineered lumber products (it shows up when space is the constraint)
    Automated concrete laying (Not matter what people say, this is still experimental)
    Pro-Press fittings for refrigerant piping (just came on the market, the contractor is willing to give it a go with our blessing)
    Integrated duct/insulation systems (This keeps coming up as an alternative to galvanized and keeps getting shot down)
    Alternative grease duct systems (Fire rated systems that take less space)
    3D printing (This is a novelty right now, but one that works. A couple of architects have specified it for difficult metal fittings in unusual buildings).

    I could name a half dozen other technologies that are coming into maturity and their adoption is based upon preference or "We did it this way when I was a whipper snapper and you will to".

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    1. Re:Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I see you've never heard of post and beam construction. Back home, we have barns and houses that are hundreds of years old and post and beam (using mortise and tenon joinery) is still in use. It's also heavily used in furniture and cabinetry. Hell, when I make something for someone, I use biscuit joints quite frequently - especially when laminating.

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    2. Re:Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      I have heard of traditional post and beam. I haven't built any buildings with it. The discussion was about how different building systems become outmoded by newer systems that get the job done faster or cheaper (all other things being equal).

      Post and Beam is a mature building system that has been in many cases outmoded by a faster, cheaper alternatives (in field stick building or in factory module construction). You can find "traditional" post and beam builders out there but they cost more than 2x4 construction. I expect they are doing everything they can to stay cost competitive with the cheaper alternatives. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are using CAD/CAM/CNC to cut all of their joints and reduce man power. Even so they fall into the high end market for housing construction. Its basically a niche product that you have to seek out and be willing to spend extra to get.

      Furniture and joinery is an art I will never have the time to practice to a fine level of precision. I am glad that people still practice it.

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    3. Re:Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      Good, fast, cheap: pick two. You've chosen fast and cheap, which is typical of the modern American society. Not saying this in a derogatory way, just stating my observation. I like fast and cheap too, in some cases.

      I think the point of KGIII's post was that post and beam outlasts "modern" stick construction (fulfilling the "good" choice above). It may not be faster, nor cheaper. But it does withstand the tests of time and abuse. If someone is looking to build a home that their great-great-great grandchildren will be able to enjoy, pick "good".

      It's all in your preferences, and what your expectations are.

    4. Re:Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      Having worked inside the industry for a while all I see is Fast and Cheap from owners. So I may be a bit jaded. The same with my comment above about having to police other engineers who have attempted to slip in changes under the wire.

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    5. Re:Snap Tight vs Glue vs Mortise/tenon by dl_sledding · · Score: 1

      LOL That's true in every industry... Don't feel bad. We're all jaded. And when we really want to push "good" to a specific project, it's always fought against.

  32. that's a porch? by Goldsmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look at those long wood beams... perfect, very pretty, and also expensive! Is there a house behind it? Very little on the porch is covered on their website, and it doesn't show up on any of their "sustainability" materials. Meanwhile, it features in half of the pictures on the competition website.

    If they want to point out how they're using local materials and these new techniques, maybe get rid of that massive redwood "porch" that is neither local, inexpensive, nor innovative.

  33. I know! Let's call it Autocad!" by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    "exists largely as a set of digital files that can be e-mailed to a wood shop anywhere in the world"

    1. Re:I know! Let's call it Autocad!" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'd rather like to see an AI house designer. A little bit like advanced EDA as opposed to simple drafting. Tell it where you want to build and what, and it comes up with a design. Cheaper than an architect per house, but might need to be amortized over a lot of houses.

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  34. This reminds me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of how futile our existence is.

  35. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

    Yes, that is all locked in in PDF or an approved format that cannot be edited after the fact.
    I have seen some sleazy attempts by architects and engineers to slide things in under radar. Undocumented changes between Bid sets and contract sets for instance. Luckily I was only the commissioning agent on that. You can bet there was a lawsuit over that little stunt when it got caught.

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  36. Tiny is the new Big. by truck_soccer · · Score: 1

    Every edutainment channel has at least one show about tiny houses. Most of them are showcasing how nice they look, while ignoring the utility, economic, and environmental shortcomings of "going tiny". When your tiny house generates 4 tons of garbage, you're doing environmentalism the wrong way.

  37. Alternatives by blue9steel · · Score: 1

    This is interesting but wouldn't adult sized Legos be easier?

  38. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's great. What with the unlimited supply of blacksmiths doing nothing but making 3000 nails a day...

  39. Not impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm having a hard time seeing any real kind of innovation or advantage to this house design. It looks like a bunch of exposed lumber fit together, nothing a good carpenter couldn't do on site with the proper plans. The design seems limited to a warmer climate as well and could have some issues dealing with severe weather.

  40. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When people moved they would burn their home down and collect the squared nails to be reused in the new home.

  41. And gluten free! by mccrew · · Score: 1

    And gluten free!

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    1. Re:And gluten free! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Of course, it tastes like wood chips.

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  42. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus must have been quite popular then, he got 4 nails for free.

  43. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by jfengel · · Score: 1

    I didn't think the rest of the post made any sense, either. This isn't being made out of 1/8" thick stamped balsa wood. It's much bigger and (presumably) designed to be much more sturdy because it's got different goals. The rest of the post is just as much of a strawman.

  44. Old is new again? by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

    Traditional Japanese joinery forgoes nails for the most part, but even a traditional western house with nails can be put together without power tools... a saw and hammer makes it a bit more work that using power tools but certainly not any more work than a CNC kit house.

  45. Holy Shit - Discovery - Blue Prints can be emailed by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

    Seriously? Yeah, snap together house is cool, but making a big tech splash because you can fucking email it?

    Holy fuck sauce batman, get on the bat phone, someone figured out you can email blue prints to places for fabrication.

    And what the fuck is carbon neutral? The blue prints because you emailed them through the shit ton of electronics chewing on coal? Or the wood the shop uses to create it, from the trees they cut down with power tools, which used carbon based material to create, which consume gasoline or power to operate. My god, everyone is a politician.

  46. I don't get the "tiny" part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    970 square feet is bigger than my house, and it doesn't feel tiny. Other houses in my development are 720 square feet, and they have been lived in by ordinary families for 60 years.

    1. Re: I don't get the "tiny" part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here we call them apartments.

  47. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The techniques used in timber framing date back to Neolithic times, and have been used in many parts of the world during various periods such as ancient Japan, continental Europe as well as Neolithic Denmark, England, France, Germany parts of the Roman Empire and Scotland.

    Some Roman carpentry preserved in anoxic layers of clay at Romano-British villa sites demonstrate that sophisticated Roman carpentry had all the necessary techniques for this construction. The earliest surviving (French) half-timbered buildings date from the 12th century.

    (Source)

    Clearly, we should continue using iron nails, wood glue, and various putties like our neolithic ancestors did, instead of some flimsy-ass cheap-ass construction technique that, when done properly, will only last for like, 8 centuries.

    Or maybe, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, and assume that current construction methods are selected for their durability and reliability, rather than the fact that our industrial scales make them far cheaper, even if the house falls over and needs major structural improvements and renovation in 20-30 years.

    Perhaps we should require that all commenters on Slashdot have some sort of actual real-world experience on an ongoing, regular basis so they don't repeat the same shit 12 year olds were saying before they were born.

  48. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by danbert8 · · Score: 1

    Where did the 4th one go? I swear it was 3 nails. One for each hand and a single through both feet. The Romans sure weren't wasting an extra nail!

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  49. mail-order houses popular early 1900s by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you could buy all materials, blueprints and instructions from Sears for like a thousand dollars, including shipping. Then add several hundred hours of sweat equity to construct it.

    A pretty high quality one still around is the Nixon birthhouse at his library in Yorba Linda. I think it has a Great Room, a couple of bedrooms and bathroom. I've seen others preserved in Western mining towns. Pre-manufactured homes eventually superceded these.

  50. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

    It may have been three but they were really big nails.

  51. Big problem with this method by jmcwork · · Score: 1

    When you finish building the house, advertisements and porn suddenly start displaying all over the walls, ceilings, etc. Yep. Malware in the email.

  52. Lindal cedar homes since the 1970s by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Linda's cedar homes has specialized in custom homes from logs milled to perfection so that snap assemble without much nailing or insulation. They are not milled locally but that's a good thing. Shipping raw logs or having large mills distributed around the country would be more wasteful than shipping the final logs. The homes they make are stunning custom masterpeices not prefab panel houses.

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  53. Local materials by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    the plans can be sent anywhere in the world, constructed using local materials...

    Cow farts and Bindweed?

  54. Re: Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the guy with no experience calling out the guy who actually works in the fucking industry. Meanwhile in the real world he is correct. Stringent and tight policies are followed, not whatever someone comes up with because
    It's shiny and new. This isn't the tech industry.

  55. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by sexconker · · Score: 1

    They nailed through the wrist, not the hand.

  56. Solar Decathloss by ElitistWhiner · · Score: 1

    On a deserted island out in the pacific where the military needs to stash "stuff" CNC ply constructions soldiers jigsaw together no electricity required win-win.

    Solar Decathalon competition optimized architecture for affordable environmentally sustainable energy contributing urban dwellings for human habitation - Loser.

    1. Re:Solar Decathloss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF.

      Is this poetry?

      There is absolutely no grammar in what you just wrote. I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say.

  57. Has to be said... by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    You wouldn't download a house would you?

    1. Re:Has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you call someone who "pirates" these plans?

  58. Re:Snap-tite isn't new by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    Where did the 4th one go? I swear it was 3 nails. One for each hand and a single through both feet. The Romans sure weren't wasting an extra nail!

    The Gypsies (AKA 'gyptians) stole it, which is why they have permission directly from God to steal and it is not accounted a sin for them.

    (You think I'm kidding, but I'm not. See Mieczyslaw Dowojno-Sylwestrowicz, in Gypsy Lore Journal, i. 1889, p. 253.)

  59. ...and blows away in a storm. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    N/T

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  60. Re: Snap-tite isn't new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, you're right! You found an example of building that doesn't use nails therefore the gp is wrong, nails haven't been in use for a long time.

    Go back to arguing with your cat. You may not win debates any more often, but we won't have to hear it.

  61. Wow you guys are so negative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, there's some hyperbole here - it may not be 100.0000% carbon neutral, but it's almost certainly closer than the buildings that you're currently working/living in.

    Southern Pine is a very fast growing tree, so replacing the trees used to make the plywood used in it's construction won't take too long. Note that it's made from plywood, not dimensional lumber (watch the video to see how the "studs" go together). In the US the standard size is 4' x 8', in Europe (who honestly probably won't build one of these since they're used to concrete block + brick construction) the standard size is 125 x 250cm (4.1' x 8.2') which is close enough - there'll be more waste but that can be composted easily enough, or turned into wafer-board.

    The "without nails" part of the title is not correct. Their video says they'll assemble it using only hand labor and hand-held tools (i.e. no forklifts, and maybe no air tools, but electric saws and drills are ok, since they'll presumably be recharged from solar panels). Even if it's built in coastal areas with tough wind load requirements, they can still add hurricane straps and tie-downs. The only complex tooling required is the wood CNC table. And that's a local investment that can be used over and over again.