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Fedora 23 Final May Release As Planned On October 27
An anonymous reader writes: Updating a full OS distribution is no small task so it is usually no surprise that even a 5-6 month schedule may tend to get pushed back to address issues. However, the Fedora 23 release schedule made it through the Alpha, Beta and Final freeze periods so far on time. This has been accomplished despite having to address plenty of Alpha Blocker and Beta Blocker bugs. Now all that is left is to clear existing and future Final Blocker bugs in the next two weeks. The release of Fedora 23 will provide some nice incremental updates and should result in the end of life of Fedora 21 around the end of November.
can we now run Gnome3 over VNC without the "Oh No! Something has gone wrong." message?
But blah blah systemd blah blah Why, I've already migrated all of the servers in my basement to FreeBSD but I feel obligated to keep blah blahing about systemd blah blah.
So I'll be updating on october 27th... and if things stay as ugly as they are after the disastrous 20->22 upgrade, I'll be migrating away on october 28th.
What delayed the May release until October?
A fedora size 23 still does not fit my head: I am eager to know when fedora 24 1/4 is released.
same public relations firms & wmd suppliers too? truth + mercy = justice... ask ed snowden your questions continues here on /. until the moms can finally stop crying all the time
You are all linus. Linus says cursewords. CURSEWORD! CURSEWORD linus CURSEWORD!! YOU LINUS!!!
Insert negative comment about Fedora 23 release schedule ;)
After the Plasma 5 fiasco, which wasn't ready for production, really, I took the plunge and switched to Kubuntu 14.04 LTS. It sucks to update your distro every 6 months, and it sucks even more to update distros having the feeling that one is in permanent beta. Nowadays I don't care about "beautiful desktop" and bells and whistles in general, I just need a stable and working environment. Still thinking what to do with wifey's notebook, though. But I'll probably go through the same route.
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Fighting the herd since 1985.
Fedora really needs a LTS version. I like fedora for its cutting edge features, however its really painful to keep ugrading OS every 6 months. Before the year is over, you have to start worrying about end if life cycle. Even if fedora releases were scheduled for once a year, it would be much better.. At least you will get two years of support. 5-6 month timeline is crazy.
A software project that may be released on schedule?! Wow, this could be the news story of the year! :p
A Linux distribution might release its next version on schedule as it claimed? This is not news, this is to be expected! It might be newsworthy to deride a distribution that perhaps frequently misses its release dates, but this article is ridiculous.
Yay Fedora is so great! Making Linux distros are hard and Fedora might be on time. Seriously? WTF? Was Slashdot all proud of Microsoft for releasing Windows 10 "on time"?
Hey Frank! They should write a story about me in the paper. I might be on time to work tomorrow.
Who ever interacts with the init system on a desktop?
It does not solve your sound or graphics problems or game and application compatibility, and it's arcane enough that you might as well uninstall a daemon instead of disabling it, on the once every two years occurrence you might need to do it.
The guy who wants to run something without relying on 6 month old packages.
You do when it flips the table over some inane issue that previous "inits" (never mind that systemd at this point is pretty much a second kernel, and i thought we figured that was bad with X11) barely raised an eyebrow over.
When was the last Fedora released on time? 11-22 all had delays
yep, relying in freshly minted packages and on a moving target like systemd is really the epitome of a genius sysadmin. I do not even have a fucking idea why you have development, alpha, beta, and candidate releases. Better go commando, and put everything in production right now.
But that's not what most people do. I am sitting here on a Fedora 22 box, which runs smoothly and has never given me issues. Do I want to put it on my server? Hell no I don't! My server is CentOS 7 (with systemd, which has never been a problem for me), and I won't upgrade that until a few months after CentOS 8 comes out. Those of us that like Fedora aren't fools, many of us are aware of the implications and adjust usage based on circumstance.
Personally, for my desktop, I want the following:
All of this is pretty much standard for Fedora or Ubuntu (non-lts versions).
I also need to say, and I cannot stress this enough, systemd is not a moving target. Fedora 22 is locked to systemd 219, and Fedora 23 will have 222, I believe. This is no more fluid than apache or openssl.
Someone who can't get their computer to boot due to detecting a mouse dongle causing the entire init sequence to hang for hours (CentOS7) instead of the old init on the same machine that would just complain and move on if it couldn't work out what to do.
... tip le Fedoras to you!
Just don't mention SystemD without a âtrigger warningâ first.
When you have so many people involved in a project not all of those people will be on your side. The government has a lot of money and people need to pay their bills. That is always been the case with Linux, so why the NSA find this so necessary I just don't understand.
When a system with a rolling release schedule like this _actually_ ships, that's (barely) news because now I can install it. Even more newsworthy is when it misses a release, because then you're plausibly talking about a hard-to-solve problem of some sort. But why would "The planned release will happen on schedule" be news worthy of any sort of general audience? I use Ubuntu, but I don't follow the day-to-day trials of stabilizing the next release because, honestly, it hardly matters which specific version of apache or bash is in there.
Who ever interacts with the init system on a desktop?
It does not solve your sound or graphics problems or game and application compatibility, and it's arcane enough that you might as well uninstall a daemon instead of disabling it, on the once every two years occurrence you might need to do it.
Well, actually, it gets into fights with USB devices and network shares totally blocking booting where earlier releases would simply boot degraded.
Then I get into fights with it, because its version of "single-user" diagnose/repair mode isn't as straightforward as the old-time "runlevel 1" option. Not all of the system resources that runlevel 1 offered are up and available in systemd recovery.
Honestly wondering: there are millions of Linux distributions out there, and we don't get this kind of news for all of them. I know Fedora is one of the biggest in terms of number of users, but still... Besides, this sounds a bit like a non-event: the news doesn't announce anything unexpected, only that things are going according to plan.
What are you guys doing? I, seriously, have yet to have an issue with SystemD. Trust me - I want to fit in and hate it along with you. Alas, I never fit in. I can't even get buggy code and a nonworking system! And trust me - I break my computer in new and interesting ways all the time. It's just that systemd has been rock solid for me. I had to learn a few new commands. I'm only going to forget them anyhow and have to search for them again when I need them.
As an end user and a small systems administrator who's been using Linux for a very long time, well, I just don't have any issues. Most of the time, I don't even notice it. I see it only when I go poking. I kind of, sort of, understand it.
Trust me - I'd love to rant about it. I really would. Yay! I could fit in and be part of the in-crowd and cool and maybe even hip. Alas, the damned thing works fine for me. So, I guess that's my complaint. It works well enough that I don't have issues and I can't hate it and be cool. Sonofabitch!
KGIII - I think /. has gone crazy. It's bitching at me again. I don't think I've posted that much but I was a wee bit high last night. I even went to sleep early. Ah well...
The real question is whether you can upgrade without reinstalling yet. Every time I've tried updating, it ended with me having to reinstall. I've tried every method they have suggested in order to do so (including the aptly named FedUp) and each time it doesn't quite upgrade correctly. Thank goodness you can specify a separate /home partition or people would be screwed. Of course, maybe that is the problem, they don't feel the pain because they know how to avoid it or have gone numb.
You haven't noticed that the logs are __binary__?
I'm with you, haven't had any trouble with it, I'm running Fedora 22 by the way which has had systemd since what? F14? You can even use the old "service" commands if you want because they redirect to systemd.
Well, actually, it gets into fights with USB devices and network shares
What kind of USB devices and network shares?
Then I get into fights with it, because its version of "single-user" diagnose/repair mode isn't as straightforward as the old-time "runlevel 1" option.
Can't you still boot to the "old-time runlevel 1" via adding "single" to the end of the grub boot line at boot?
You haven't noticed that the logs are __binary__?
So run rsyslog - anything logged to journald after rsyslog starts gets written to /var/log/messages - just like before. You can even tweak your unit files to start rsyslog as soon as your disks are mounted.
Sometimes. I've had it work and not work (I've had to use init=/bin/bash quite a few times).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.