Ukrainian Hacker Who Targeted Brian Krebs Extradited To US (go.com)

JustAnotherOldGuy writes: A Ukrainian man who allegedly tried to frame cyber-security expert Brian Krebs has been extradited to the United States and is due in Newark federal court today, prosecutors said. Sergei Vovnenko, known as "Fly," "Flycracker" or "Flyck," is thought to have been behind a 2013 plot to send heroin to cyber-security blogger Brian Krebs, a plot Krebs himself said he foiled because he was monitoring the site where it was hatched. "Angry that I'd foiled his plan to have me arrested for drug possession," Krebs wrote on his blog, "Fly had a local florist send a gaudy floral arrangement in the shape of a giant cross to my home, complete with a menacing message."

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Can't have been too good a hacker

[Opportunist]

Or he felt too secure sitting in a country half a planet away.

Like my boss once said, having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something. But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[Max_W]

... having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something...

In my opinion, if a rowdy hurt people with a knife it does potentially make him a good surgeon. Being a good surgeon requires discipline, empathy, education, etc.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[Anonymous Coward]

Most people believe that someone DDoSing your website offline means that you were hacked by better skilled hackers.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[Anonymous Coward]

But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.

Or that you were messing with the wrong people, ie people possessing brains and willing to fight back.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

It also might not help that Ukrainian authorities may have recently reevaluated the intensity of their interest in getting more cooperation from Washington.

If you are, in fact, secure in a country half a planet away, flaunting your impunity isn't as elegant as working silently; but has its virtues as an intimidation tactic: "You can't touch me, I can touch you; and even if you foil me this round I only have to get lucky once."

If you are in a country half a planet away that is just fine with stuffing you into the next plane headed for the US, of course, this is a lousy plan.

What I don't know, in this case, is whether he screwed up enough to get caught, or whether there used to be very little domestic interest in doing anything about him and then the political winds shifted.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[swb]

I'd just guess that Ukraine has decided that going with the West and its broader expectations for legal and economic transparency not to mention Washington's diplomatic and military support.

They can either continue to run an organized crime structured economy and get extremely limited Western investment or try to go the route of Poland or other former East Bloc countries.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[Anonymous Coward]

>Or he felt too secure sitting in a country half a planet away.

Depending on the country, that can be enough.
Unfortunately, Ukraine isn't one of those countries.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[znrt]

Or he felt too secure sitting in a country half a planet away.

ukraine is as puppet state as it gets right now.

Like my boss once said, having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something. But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.

why is covering your tracks a desirable skill for your job?

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[Opportunist]

To find out whether the intrusion detection and logging mechanisms are doing their job well. If I can get in and out without the IDs and logs showing it, we have a problem. The primary problem is of course that I got in, but at least as big a problem is if this goes undetected!

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[dunkelfalke]

More like one bunch of crooks was replaced by another bunch of crooks riding on the wave of nationalism. To make an analogy, imagine the most corrupt of Nixon's cabinet fighting over who gets to be the next president with no holds barred. This is more or less what happens in the Ukraine for the past 10 years.

And the route of Poland is basically to mooch off Germany. They receive the lion's share of EU subsidies, so much that even Greece is envious.

Czech Republic is a far better example of success and the Czech aren't nearly as smug about it.

Re:Can't have been too good a hacker

[znrt]

To find out whether the intrusion detection and logging mechanisms are doing their job well. If I can get in and out without the IDs and logs showing it, we have a problem. The primary problem is of course that I got in, but at least as big a problem is if this goes undetected!

fair enough.

US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Better the CIA just shoot him and save everybody a lot of trouble..

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[93 Escort Wagon]

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.

I've often thought it must be more fun when you don't feel compelled to base your opinions on actual facts.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[viperidaenz]

you generally can't extradite someone if they what the did was legal in their country

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Dutch Gun]

It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

"There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws."

Well, except for those pesky extradition treaties, trade deals, and billions of dollars of course...

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

No, in the case of the USA, it doesn't work both ways.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[bazmail]

So some nobody dies in Ukraine. Way to send a message dude.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Sique]

Currently, he is not convicted, so legally he is only suspected to have tried to frame Brian Krebs for heroin possession. And thus the article said he was thought to be behind the framing. More will be known after trial, when both plaintiff and defense have presented their side of the case, and a jury and then a judge have decided.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Dorianny]

It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.

The U.S and Ukraine do not have a extradition treaty. He was apprehended in Italy, a country with which the U.S has a extradition treaty. In any case with Kiev needing Washington's support in its fight with Russian backed rebels I doubt they would have much of a problem handing a politically-unconnected criminal over, even without a extradition treaty.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Your post reads like a slashdot headline

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

plaintiff and defense

Fail.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[mrbester]

When was the last time US allowed extradition of a US citizen to a foreign country?

Re: US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Might makes right: get over it.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Goaway]

Surely, "thought" is a long way short of being sufficient to extradite someone ?

You are aware that this is a newspaper article, and not the actual extradition request?

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[thebigmacd]

Happens more often than you would think. I don't know when the "last" time was, but in 2013 it occurred.
http://www.680news.com/2013/06...

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Dutch Gun]

I'll give you one example I could find:

Since 2003, 33 UK citizens (including some with dual citizenship) have been extradited to the US, while 7 US citizens have been extradited to the US.

Not exactly equal numbers, but yeah, it actually does go both ways. It's not really too surprising that more criminals would be extradited to the US than from. This can be explained by the fact that the US is probably the world's biggest target, both economically and politically. For instance, there are many foreigners (and in fact, foreign countries) who counterfeit US banknotes. There's less motivation for US citizens to target foreign nationals or corporations than vice versa.

Or, I suppose you could chalk it up to some nefarious reason why the US government would want to harbor suspected US criminals, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they would want to do so.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Dutch Gun]

Oops, I meant to type "while 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK".

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.

The US certainly has a...distinctly mixed...history when it comes to shoving around countries that it thinks it can get away with; but this guy is being extradited for breaking US law within US jurisdiction, just using the internet to telecommute to the crime site.

Since many crimes can only be properly committed in person, it's probably more common for extradition treaties to get called in when somebody flees from Country A to Country B; but if you can commit a crime in Country A from the comfort of Country B(whether because you are doing computer intrusions and have internet access, or are hiring a hit man the old fashioned way), the principle is exactly the same.

It'd be pretty dodgy if the US wanted a Ukrainian guy grabbed for crimes not committed within American jurisdiction; but in this case the allegation is that he committed a fair few in the US, among other places.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Xabraxas]

They aren't forced. There are things called extradition treaties. Read about them. They are the exact opposite of force. They are an agreement between two countries. Now to be fair I'm not sure the US has a treaty with Ukraine but they CHOSE to send him and why wouldn't they? They are looking for the United States' backing more than ever now. It only makes sense to turn over a criminal.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[houghi]

For something that works both ways, there are very few cases where Americans are extradited to other countries. Take your pick as to why and one does not exclude the other.
1) The US does not respect the treaty
2) The US laws are more restrictive than the rest of the world
3) The US are more about revenge than they are about anything else.

There might be other reasons:
1) US criminals are so smart they never get caught
2) All US criminals are already in jail
3) Criminals rather stay in a US prison than in e.g. a Norwegian one, so they never risk it.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Xabraxas]

Maybe you're not a US citizen so I will explain how it works to you. You are suspected or "thought" to be behind a crime. If the evidence warrants the charge a trial is conducted. The trial determines whether you actually did it. I know this must be confusing for some people living in countries where you are guilty immediately and the trial is just a show.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Except he was attempting to frame someone inside of the United States. To be honest, I'd wish this guy would get thrown in an Ukrainian prison than an American one. I'm sure the prisons in Ukraine are a lovely place to stay.

But you know, lets make this about Assange again. Assange is a coward really, he wanted to change the world, but then when the shit hit the fan, he went and hid.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[NotDrWho]

Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws?

Because when you've got the biggest dick in the room, you tend to do a lot of fucking.

Don't worry, the drunken crazy military spending that the U.S. is putting on its credit card will eventually stop when they can't afford the minimum payments on said credit card anymore. Then the party will end, their dick will shrink, and they'll wake up with a hangover realizing that they're in tens of trillions of dollars in debt with no way to ever pay it off.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[bev_tech_rob]

No....it would be... "A well known hacker working out of Ukraine was found with 3 bullets in his head yesterday". Sounds like it might work as a good deterrent knowing that if you keep this shit up, Seal Team 6 might pay you a visit with a double-tap to the cerebellum as a parting gift...

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[PPalmgren]

Population is also a factor. Crimes warranting extradition probably occur at a rate of 1 per x million citizens. The US has 5 times as many people as the UK, and surprise, almost exactly 5 times as many extraditions.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Coren22]

We KNOW that GWB committed war crimes in Iraq, but that doesn't seem to be enough for HIS extradition !

What war crimes would those be? Who has charged him and asked for his extradition?

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Coren22]

Except that is backwards. The UK has 5 times as many people extradited from 1/5 the population.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Our national debt, military spending, is all based on whatever makes the 1% the least uncomfortable. Artificial economy based on thoughts and not tangible goods.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm pretty sure heroin trafficking isn't legal even in the darkest recesses of eastern Europe. Nor are death threats.

Re: US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[PPalmgren]

Welp, that's embarrassing. And I work with numbers for a living...

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

...

Or, I suppose you could chalk it up to some nefarious reason why the US government would want to harbor suspected US criminals, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they would want to do so.

Who ELSE would we have to vote for if they didn't do that?

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

You're damned right. I challenge anyone to show me an American citizen who has ever, in the entire history of the United States, been extradited to Ukraine. And yet this thread is full of shills defending the right of the USA to pick up any human being, anywhere in the world, and have them brought to an American prison where its taxpayers can enrich some corporation to jail him for many years. The American system makes it so you can murder a human being with a gun and get out of the prison in 5 or 6 years, but if you commit any crime on a computer you're going away for decades.

Dmitry Sklyarov at least made the mistake of visiting the USA, and encountering his awful American setup, on his own free will. This guy, not so much, and yet we see post after post from Americans who are thirsty for blood and thrilled to bring a Ukrainian to USA for prison. I wonder how many of them feel the same way about Julian Assange and I wonder how many of them are on the payroll of JTRIG.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Ryanrule]

because the us supplies defense to europe.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

I challenge anyone to show me an American citizen who has ever, in the entire history of the United States, been extradited to Ukraine.

For your challenge to have any meaning, please cite any example of an extradition request from Ukraine to the United States. If they have never asked, then your "challenge" is a farce. Also, remember that Ukraine has only been an independent country since 1991 so the time when any such requests could have occurred is much more limited than for most other countries, so again, your challenge doesn't have much meaning.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

What an epic waste of SEAL talent.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe because the US has five times as many targets? :)

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[dunkindave]

When was the last time US allowed extradition of a US citizen to a foreign country?

Here is one from a couple weeks ago: US citizen extradited to South Korea over high-profile 1997 murder

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[dunkindave]

Your list is obviously slanted to push an agenda, but here goes.

2) The US laws are more restrictive than the rest of the world

This is backwards. You can only be extradited if the act is a crime in both the US and the other country, and if the punishment in the requesting country is not extremely out of line compared to the requested country's, so if the US laws were more restrictive it wouldn't increase the number of extraditions. On the other hand, many countries would like to extradite people from the US for crimes that are not a crime in the US, like for insulting the king, and for others the potential penalty is considered too harsh, such as flogging, have a hand cut off, or even execution, for crimes like theft or drug offenses.

1) US criminals are so smart they never get caught

I think this missed the mark some. More likely, the investigative ability by US authorities is better than most other countries, so the US is more likely to be able to determine who committed the crime, and to where they fled. You can't request extradition unless you know whom to extradite, and from where. You can then add in that US criminals may be better educated than the world average for crooks, so are better at not being caught.

And a few more potential factors you missed:

4) If a criminal flees from a non-US country, due to extradition treaties they are much more likely to flee to a country other than the US.

5) A lot of the recent extraditions are for cyber activities (like this one), but there is a disproportionate cyber presence between the US and most other countries, both in terms of number, and in terms of wealth that makes it more likely for a Ukrainian crook to commit fraud against a US person or company than it is for a US crook to commit fraud against a Ukrainian.

6) For similar reasons, namely wealth and wealth disparity, US entities get targeted more than many other countries. For example, people from South Africa are much more likely to come to the US to steal than a US person is to go to South Africa to steal. If they flee back home, who is going to asking for extradition from whom, and in what kind of numbers?

There are more, but I think that gets the point across.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

>3) Criminals rather stay in a US prison than in e.g. a Norwegian one, so they never risk it.

Based on the reports written by inmates, I suspect that most people, given a choice, would take the Norwegian prison over the US one, but given a choice between a Zimbabwean prison, and a US one, would take the one in Zimbabwe.

All we need is a "Rate your local prison" website, so people can select the country of their choice, in which to do their time.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[david_thornley]

There were US war crimes in Iraq. The question would be if Bush was responsible for some of them.

Re: US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

What, exactly, would you have Assange do? So he doesn't go somewhere safe--he gets arrested, extradited, and locked up in a US prision where the media has no ability to talk to him and therefore both he and his story disappear. This way he gets his message out, and the US looks bad everywhere.

That's smart strategy, not cowardice. I do hope you're not a military commander--you'd probably get a bunch of your troops killed refusing to retreat from a situation that clearly calls for living to fight another day just so nobody could accuse you of 'cowardice'.

Far too many people like to toss that term around at people who really don't feel that dealing with the absolutely corrupt travesty that is the US justice system is anything short of surrendering to your enemy for no gain whatsoever. This isn't a sporting event. This is playing for keeps.

Re:US forcing their laws on Europe AGAIN

[Anonymous Coward]

But if what he did was illegal in his country, why not try him there instead?

I mean, arresting the guy when he travels to the US is fair game, obviously. But what, other than power politics, is keeping other countries from demanding the extradition of US citizens who never left the US, simply because the victim of a crime happened to live abroad?

Right now the USA are still powerful enough to ignore that (if other countries are even stupid enough to try). What if China is the world's economic/military/political leader in a hundred years, and they have US citizens extradited to China?

I'd rather not have the US roll over and say "yes Sir, may I have another Sir" then. And being able to say "we didn't do it when we had the power" would go a long way there.

using geographic adjectives to enhance bs

[Anonymous Coward]

like a martian astrophysicist visits during ask edward norton your questions season here on /. ... truth & mercy = justice .. get some

Did Sergei miss the travel advisory?

[ConstantineM]

Did he miss the travel advisory for Italy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09...

Re:Did Sergei miss the travel advisory?

[klui]

Maybe he read it but this advisory did not say anything about Italy.

Re:Did Sergei miss the travel advisory?

[thoromyr]

So Italy doesn't have an extradition treaty with the US? From the linked article, "The Russian Foreign Ministry posted advice of a somewhat different nature on Monday, cautioning people wanted by the United States not to visit nations that have an extradition treaty with it."

True, they only named a few of the countries (particularly ones where this has happened), but they did not mention the UK, New Zealand or Australia either. Nor Germany, nor...

Nasty guys these ukranians

[Anonymous Coward]

Nasty guys these Ukrainians. Just ask Putin

Eek?

[sociocapitalist]

Sooner or later Mr. Krebs is going to cost the bad guys enough money that they will decide he is actually worth dealing with.

Ride the wave Brian, but watch your back.

Re:Eek?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sooner or later Mr. Krebs is going to cost the bad guys enough money that they will decide he is actually worth dealing with.

Ride the wave Brian, but watch your back.

I often wondered why the criminals using malware, botnets, et. al. just didn't kidnap these security researchers to force them to work illegally or be slowly put to death. A number of these "security researchers" are either government sanctioned actors or criminals in their own right. We read news stories about former criminal hackers being hired into lucrative corporate security roles and even the government.

Re:Eek?

[Anonymous Coward]

You sound angry. Why does this make you angry?

Re:Eek?

[BitZtream]

A number of these "security researchers" are either government sanctioned actors

Which have better things to do than mess with 'security researchers'. Those guys are figuring out how to screw over big fish politically. Brian Krebs is the anti-definition of big fish.

criminals in their own right.

Which get buy with a lot of things because there is no physical connection to them. Actually doing something to someone physically results in a trail thats much easier to trace than the Internet.

The reasons these guys don't do things is because 99.9999% of them are cowards hiding behind computer courage.

For the true organized crime that MAY actually have the balls to 'punish' someone like Krebs ... WHY? How much damage has he ACTUALLY done to any organized crime (like the Mob, not your dads rinky dink CC Skimming operation) . . . Exactly dick, thats how much he's done.

The only people that care are small fish like this douche who really can't do anything impressive. The ones that can do something aren't going to because that would be stupid. Why blow you're very effective cover and risk getting caught when you can just move on to one of your other operations and start a new one in the place of the one that just got busted?

Re:Eek?

[IamTheRealMike]

Yeah, or the teenagers that enjoy fucking with him so much will get the picture and stop doing so. Krebs is a journalist, not a cop - he wants to write stories. Nonetheless he has developed quite the track record of winning in the various conflicts forum-dwellers engage in. He's not a guy anyone should mess with lightly.

Re:Eek?

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone has been watching too many movies, criminal syndicates which abduct/murder people on an international scale are exceedingly rare. And most of these botnets/malware attacks are done by small groups looking for some quick cash.

Re:Eek?

[Spy Handler]

Yeah Krebs may be a highly skilled cybersecurity expert, but he might want to think about learning physical security as well.

I suggest starting with basic firearms training, and eventually graduate to multiplayer Call of Duty.

Re:Eek?

[Ryanrule]

is that a threat?

Re:Eek?

[sociocapitalist]

is that a threat?

Of course not don't be ridiculous.

Re: Eek?

[Anonymous Coward]

And I had thought that American legal system with it's 15 millions annual arrests, an order of magnitude population size adjusted wise higher than anywhere in the world with 12 cents per hour prison slave labor qualifies for such real life conspiracy. How could I have been so wrong?

Isn't taking someone to Newark punishment enough

[trout007]

I think he's learned his lesson.

Re:Sad and Sacry

[Anonymous Coward]

It's sad that you think that trying to send someone a pile of heroin with the intent of framing said person is "mundane".

Can we do this to you? What's your address bro? I got some good smack to uhh..deliver to you.

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Coren22 "security guru" wannabe fails security

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:

"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it

&

How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?

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You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!

FACT:

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