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Ukrainian Hacker Who Targeted Brian Krebs Extradited To US (go.com)
JustAnotherOldGuy writes: A Ukrainian man who allegedly tried to frame cyber-security expert Brian Krebs has been extradited to the United States and is due in Newark federal court today, prosecutors said. Sergei Vovnenko, known as "Fly," "Flycracker" or "Flyck," is thought to have been behind a 2013 plot to send heroin to cyber-security blogger Brian Krebs, a plot Krebs himself said he foiled because he was monitoring the site where it was hatched. "Angry that I'd foiled his plan to have me arrested for drug possession," Krebs wrote on his blog, "Fly had a local florist send a gaudy floral arrangement in the shape of a giant cross to my home, complete with a menacing message."
Or he felt too secure sitting in a country half a planet away.
Like my boss once said, having a police record is no recommendation in this biz. Yes, it means that you did something. But it also means that you were either too sloppy, to crappy or too arrogant to cover your tracks well.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.
I've often thought it must be more fun when you don't feel compelled to base your opinions on actual facts.
#DeleteChrome
Did he miss the travel advisory for Italy?
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09...
you generally can't extradite someone if they what the did was legal in their country
It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
"There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws."
Well, except for those pesky extradition treaties, trade deals, and billions of dollars of course...
Sooner or later Mr. Krebs is going to cost the bad guys enough money that they will decide he is actually worth dealing with.
Ride the wave Brian, but watch your back.
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
No, in the case of the USA, it doesn't work both ways.
Currently, he is not convicted, so legally he is only suspected to have tried to frame Brian Krebs for heroin possession. And thus the article said he was thought to be behind the framing. More will be known after trial, when both plaintiff and defense have presented their side of the case, and a jury and then a judge have decided.
It's called an extradition treaty, and it works both ways. Also, I'm going to take a wild guess and say that attempting to frame someone for possession of heroin and botnet-related crimes are illegal both in the US and in Ukraine.
The U.S and Ukraine do not have a extradition treaty. He was apprehended in Italy, a country with which the U.S has a extradition treaty. In any case with Kiev needing Washington's support in its fight with Russian backed rebels I doubt they would have much of a problem handing a politically-unconnected criminal over, even without a extradition treaty.
When was the last time US allowed extradition of a US citizen to a foreign country?
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
Happens more often than you would think. I don't know when the "last" time was, but in 2013 it occurred.
http://www.680news.com/2013/06...
I'll give you one example I could find:
Since 2003, 33 UK citizens (including some with dual citizenship) have been extradited to the US, while 7 US citizens have been extradited to the US.
Not exactly equal numbers, but yeah, it actually does go both ways. It's not really too surprising that more criminals would be extradited to the US than from. This can be explained by the fact that the US is probably the world's biggest target, both economically and politically. For instance, there are many foreigners (and in fact, foreign countries) who counterfeit US banknotes. There's less motivation for US citizens to target foreign nationals or corporations than vice versa.
Or, I suppose you could chalk it up to some nefarious reason why the US government would want to harbor suspected US criminals, though I can't for the life of me figure out why they would want to do so.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Oops, I meant to type "while 7 US citizens have been extradited to the UK".
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
Ugh, why does the US get to force other countries to extradite people who violate US laws? They pressured Sweden into charging Julian Assange with sexual assault because of the leaked cables and then pushed the UK to keep him trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy under guard. Now they're forcing countries to extradite their own citizens for breaking US laws. There's no reason why other countries should be forced to follow US laws.
The US certainly has a...distinctly mixed...history when it comes to shoving around countries that it thinks it can get away with; but this guy is being extradited for breaking US law within US jurisdiction, just using the internet to telecommute to the crime site.
Since many crimes can only be properly committed in person, it's probably more common for extradition treaties to get called in when somebody flees from Country A to Country B; but if you can commit a crime in Country A from the comfort of Country B(whether because you are doing computer intrusions and have internet access, or are hiring a hit man the old fashioned way), the principle is exactly the same.
It'd be pretty dodgy if the US wanted a Ukrainian guy grabbed for crimes not committed within American jurisdiction; but in this case the allegation is that he committed a fair few in the US, among other places.
Maybe you're not a US citizen so I will explain how it works to you. You are suspected or "thought" to be behind a crime. If the evidence warrants the charge a trial is conducted. The trial determines whether you actually did it. I know this must be confusing for some people living in countries where you are guilty immediately and the trial is just a show.
Time makes more converts than reason
Except that is backwards. The UK has 5 times as many people extradited from 1/5 the population.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Welp, that's embarrassing. And I work with numbers for a living...