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House of Representatives Proposal Aims To Regulate Car Privacy (itworld.com)
itwbennett writes: Even though, as reported today on Slashdot, 'experts from government, industry, and academia say they have no confidence they'll develop a secure system that can protect users from tracking and privacy breaches,' a subcommittee of the U.S. House of Representatives have 'proposed that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration set up an Automotive Cybersecurity Advisory Council to develop cybersecurity best-practice.' The draft proposal would require vehicle manufacturers to 'develop and implement' a privacy policy outlining their information-gathering practices, and would make vehicle data hacking illegal and subject to a $100,000 penalty for each violation.
... liable for the security of their products. A weasel-worded "policy" will suffice. Caveat emptor - you were told! Steep penalties in computer hacking related cases has worked so well, with no chilling effects whatsoever!
A PCI-like standard developed by an independent body setting basic standards for encryption, segregation and/or clean, well checked APIs between control and entertainment systems will do nicely. Mandating standards has worked well for safety systems.
Any vehicle "data hacking"? Or a vehicle in motion? Otherwise, accessing data of a car's computer while the car is stationary would be a crime. So this would have made the VW investigators criminals. It would also make anyone creating a 3rd device reading on-board computer data illegal without a license from the manufacturer. If you can't introspect a car without putting in jeopardy anyone's safety, then this is just another DMCA.
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Ill haul out the soapbox for a bit of offtopic...but how many people are sick of these cars with the all-you-can-eat infotainment systems in them? Im not talking about parents with kids that need raffi or barney on loop in the 3rd row of their urban assault vehicle. im talking about anything more than a convenient display and a USB audio jack. handsfree? never needed it. ill call back when and if im available. I dont need lane change assist, i dont need auto parking, i dont need some computer to stop my car before i crash because im face down in the dashboard tweeting my latest achievement behind the wheel. I grew up with a mustang foxbody, a manual, and if i wanted better sound i read a book and learned how to install a car stereo. I dont need the car to sync my contacts, text my friends, or google search. I just need it to be a car. Most importantly I need it to be a car thats fun to drive, reasonable to work on, and not a tin can. I get that its 2015, and we can have this stuff but there doesnt seem to be any option for people who just want to drive to just have a car. no ass-warmers, cup warmers, or weird wipers that wipe the rain and your ass by turning on when it starts raining for you. I dont need onstar, and I dont need navigation.
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Politicians: Done. Now even reading your OBD data is illegal. Happy?
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They are making it a $100,000 fine to even access your own vehicle computer. Per vehicle per offense. Yet in the same document it's a 5,000 dollar per day 1m maximum fine for any non-compliance by the manufacturer.
Fcuk this nonsense. This is what happens when you let lobbying get out of control.
...we have made it illegal to hack motor vehicle control systems.
But won't that make it illegal for independent researchers to find vulnerabilities?
A most unfortunate side-effect, yes, but the Public Must Be Protected!
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a vehicle showing where a driver has been. E.g. if you're a politician and somebody hacks your car to show you've been frequently gay bars and brothels.
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Perhaps you would find a study of how political funding works in this country enlightening.
Any vehicle "data hacking"? Or a vehicle in motion? Otherwise, accessing data of a car's computer while the car is stationary would be a crime. So this would have made the VW investigators criminals. It would also make anyone creating a 3rd device reading on-board computer data illegal without a license from the manufacturer. If you can't introspect a car without putting in jeopardy anyone's safety, then this is just another DMCA.
It's already a *felony* to "hack" a vehicle. Hacking in the vernacular implies access not authorized by the owner. This law is about Congress cowtowing to industry to assist them in creating a structural monopoly. Note how the thing Congress can use to argue that they're not doing that is creating a *best practices* standard to *create a privacy policy*. Yeah, It's this great compromise that asks companies to say they're good companies!
These politicians want to fool the public into thinking they care about privacy, when all they really care about is spying on you. You want to give us privacy? Fine, then disconnect/eliminate all tech in the car that talks to the internet. Bet that won't happen.
I am not sure that I agree. I'll give it more thought but your post don't give much logic behind it - not really. It just seems to make a bunch of assumptions based on your opinion.
In short, and I could do the long version, I'm not sure that the solution to bad governance is to increase the amount of governance. The assumption that this will improve things actually seems counterintuitive. The only thing that I can think of that it might improve is the speed that things get through - it may slow it down a little but not enough to actually result in meaningful change.
So, convince me. I won't use your hashtags regardless but convince me using reasoning and facts. Having to buy more politicians just means those with wealth get to do more than those with lesser amounts of wealth but they've generally got the same interests in mind. This is just going to put more money in politics instead of making an actually change.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
...Because your computer told my computer to. Any data logged and stored can be used against you in a court of law. You have no grounds to dispute it or testify against it for your defense. By the time they're done, the computer in the car will have more privacy and rights than the driver.
Does anyone see that there is something fundamentally wrong with legislating about every highly specific scenario?
We are a species with a technological civilization complete with nuclear bombs, and we can't even figure out how to define right and wrong as it pertains to the human condition in general terms. There's something really fucked up about us. There should really only be about 2 pages of laws for people, 5-10 for small businesses, and maybe up to about a hundred for corps., not including standards.
So the manufacturers will required to make up what they think is "fair" for handling your data. They could make up anything and as long as they had a "policy," you're ok! How is that even "regulation?"
Oh, and it's now a crime to twiddle with your own car.