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Sprint Will Start Throttling Customers Who Exceed 23GB Monthly (sprint.com)

CNET reports (and CTO John Saw explains on the company's blog) that Sprint has decided to taper access to a slice of its "unlimited" wireless data customers, by throttling access (not curtailing it, at least) to those who slurp down more than 23 gigabytes per month -- the same cap that T-Mobile has imposed. If you think "throttled" and "unlimited" don't quite jibe to describe the same service, you're not the only one to quibble: CNET notes that regulators have "begun scrutinizing the carriers' practice [of slowing access past a cap]. In June, the Federal Communications Commission threatened to fine AT&T $100 million for deceiving its customers by mislabeling its service as unlimited. The FCC also challenged Verizon when the company planned to expand its data throttling policy to its 4G customers. The company retracted that policy last fall. In June, Verizon also stopped slowing unlimited-data traffic for 3G customers."

153 comments

  1. Slow anyway by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I had Sprint it was so f'ing slow that there's no way I could ever approach 23GB. I always figure that's how they could get away with "unlimited" data plans.

    1. Re:Slow anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I had Sprint it was so f'ing slow that there's no way I could ever approach 23GB.

      2400 bps ought to be enough for anybody.

      Never happier than when I switched to Verizon. Yes, I know, their customer service sucks (like all companies, everywhere, except it doesn't, except your friend knows a guy who had problems); their network is terrible (except I get decent speed everywhere), and it's more expensive (so tell me how Sprint's 'unlimited' plans are working out, sport).

    2. Re: Slow anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have Sprint and it's great. They have been upgrading everything lately, I get a fast connection just about everywhere.

    3. Re:Slow anyway by arth1 · · Score: 2

      2400 bps ought to be enough for anybody.

      1200/75, because no one can type faster than 7 characters or read more than a page of text per second.

      It's sad, but a good portion of what people spend dozens of megabytes to download, like news reports, could have been conveyed more accurately with more detail in half a page of text. Even web pages are horribly wasteful. Do we really need to see a picture of Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush with every article that mentions them? Don't we know what they look like by now? And do we really need a megbyte of javascript to get the ten lines of text?

      I miss Veronica.

    4. Re:Slow anyway by Solandri · · Score: 1

      It really depends where you are. If you're in their 3G area, you'll be lucky to get 0.3 Mbps. But if you're within range of their 4G cells, about 5 Mbps is typical, with some areas getting 20-35 Mbps. When i bought my house last year, it had Sprint 4G coverage, and I lived off of it (I have an unlimited plan and my phone is rooted so I can tether) for 2 months while waiting for my cable Internet install date. I averaged about 60 GB/mo for those two months. (My normal usage is only about 300-500 MB/mo, so I have no qualms about sucking up huge amounts of data 1 or 2 months out of the year.)

      That's really what Sprint's problem is. If they could get better 4G coverage, they'd be golden. Right now they've only got 64% LTE coverage vs 77%-84% for T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon. (Scroll down to LTE coverage by network, and select U.S. from the dropdown.) Their slower LTE speeds are also a symptom of insufficient coverage. Since I know the location of the tower giving my home 4G service, I've measured speeds at various distances. I get 25 Mbps right next to the tower, about 15 Mbps at home (about a mile away). But as I move to more typical tower distances of 3 miles, it drops down to 5 Mbps or less. By 5 miles (or behind hills), I've lost 4G service entirely. This particular tower hasn't yet gotten the Sprint Spark treatment yet (tri-band LTE), so it could potentially go up to 80 Mbps in the future, though I doubt their range will improve since two of their bands are at 1.9 and 2.5 GHz (the third is 850 MHz). The question is will Sprint be able to come up with enough money to upgrade their network to become more competitive.

    5. Re:Slow anyway by Andrio · · Score: 2

      I had Sprint back from 2011-2013. The data was so slow, when I first signed up I called them a few times, wondering what was wrong, because there was just no way that the data could actually be that slow. Over the next two years, I had developed a somewhat perverted fascination with the slowness of Sprint's network. I ran speed tests all the time just to see those 50-130 kbps speeds (that's bits, not bytes). It's like when you have a sore in your mouth, and you keep touching it with your tongue just to verify that it still hurts.

      And yes, that was the speed I consistently saw. It doesn't matter if it was in the morning, afternoon, or 2AM. It was always around those speeds. It doesn't matter if I was on the east coast of florida, west coast, or in central florida. My phone at the time could use their WiMax network, which did get good speed, but it was the most useless technology ever. It basically didn't work unless you were standing right in front of a cell tower.

      I then switched to T-Mobile. The first thing I did was run a speed test. I saw 12Mpbs.

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    6. Re: Slow anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah okay Marcelo. Sprint blows, it needs to go bankrupt and sell off its assets.

    7. Re:Slow anyway by Cederic · · Score: 2

      1200/75, because no one can type faster than 7 characters or read more than a page of text per second.

      Clearly you never played online PvP (or PK as they were known in '92) muds.

      You don't need to read the text, you need to see it scroll past your eyes. Your brain is excellent at filtering out the noise, and in a big fight there's a lot of textual noise. There's also important information, and you need to see that.

      The full text you can scroll back and read once you're dead. Useful for understanding why and how it happened.

    8. Re:Slow anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where I am, the mobile internet is "up to" 20Mbps, and I generally get 10-15Mbps in most places. Similarly, there are no caps on data (you guys have caps!?), other than leaving your phone downloading all day every day. And I pay almost 10 euro for that. Of course, voice calls are expensive, costing 0.04 each, so another 10 euro would only get me 250 minutes.

      You guys are getting ripped blind...

    9. Re:Slow anyway by KGIII · · Score: 1

      $ sudo apt-get install lynx
      $ lynx

      tada.wav

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  2. Lad balancing? by tomhath · · Score: 4, Insightful
    FTFA:

    Sprint said customers will still be able to use unlimited amounts of data without overage charges, but for moments when the network is congested, traffic from heavy-data customers will move more slowly. Sprint said the policy operates in real time and only applies if a cell site is constrained. Performance for an affected customer returns to normal as soon as the local traffic returns to normal.

    Doesn't seem all that diabolical. The alternative is the end of unlimited plans (which is probably coming anyway).

    1. Re:Lad balancing? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sprint said customers will still be able to use unlimited amounts of data without overage charges, but for moments when the network is congested, traffic from heavy-data customers will move more slowly. Sprint said the policy operates in real time and only applies if a cell site is constrained. Performance for an affected customer returns to normal as soon as the local traffic returns to normal.

      Doesn't seem all that diabolical. The alternative is the end of unlimited plans (which is probably coming anyway).

      Exactly. And remember we are talking about wireless... In other words streaming to your cell phone. If you are streaming so much data to your phone that you are effecting other customers, there's no reason why you should not expect to be "prioritized".

      Let's not start this ridiculous "they sold me unlimited and it's not", because we know that's not the case. There is no data cap, you just can't hog the pipe.

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    2. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1, Troll

      only in america, when somebody promises you something for nothing, you can sue them when they don't deliver!

    3. Re:Lad balancing? by sribe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      only in america, when somebody promises you something for nothing

      Since when is a ~$2,000 contract "nothing"???

    4. Re:Lad balancing? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

      only in america, when somebody promises you something for nothing, you can sue them when they don't deliver!

      What did Sprint offer that they are not delivering on? Have they added a data cap to "unlimited" accounts? You know, I don't think so.

      So what have they done? They have said that they will prioritize Data Hogs such that other customers retain some kind of decent up/down speed. "Unlimited" does not mean you get the whole pipe.

      And really, why would anyone download 23 GB in a month on their cell phone data plan? Because you are an asshole? Maybe if you are near WiFi you should be using that and be a "good neighbor"? Oh, that's right, you're selfish and unrealistic 20-something.

      Sprint's policy is good for all its customers except Data Hogs who so narcissistic that they have no interest in anyone but themselves.

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    5. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And really, why would anyone download 23 GB in a month on their cell phone data plan? Because you are an asshole? Maybe if you are near WiFi you should be using that and be a "good neighbor"? Oh, that's right, you're selfish and unrealistic 20-something.

      Because they paid for an "unlimited data" plan and weren't aware that actually using it made them an "asshole"? Because they don't have an available wifi access point? Because they don't have any alternate Internet connection and want to watch some Netflix? Who are you to tell people they're being assholes for utilizing a service they pay for?

    6. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say $2000 contract. I say sucker.

    7. Re:Lad balancing? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      I'd actually be all for an data plan where instead of a data limit I get throttled instead--where I can 'drink' as much as I can at whatever speed I'm paying for, and maybe have the option of buying a block of 'chugging' if I want it for some reason. I'd rather not get hit by data overage charges just because my ISP decided to be incapable of providing stable service, and a lot of sites seem to be eager to inject data-chugging ads on their mobile versions.

      My guess is that they actually introduced data caps entirely because they want to be able to hit you with the overage charges--if the issue is how much data you can manage to fit through the current pipes, then charging people for the speed would make a lot more sense. Not to mention that I'm sure you could make a killing offering 'unlimited, unthrottled' as a premium plan, at premium prices...

    8. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't seem all that diabolical. The alternative is the end of unlimited plans (which is probably coming anyway).

      That would be perfectly fine. But there is a clear desire to keep advertising "unlimited" without actually providing that. These little asterisks/disclaimers* should be banned from advertisement in general, yet they are not.
      * Moreover, there is not even an asterisk next to the word "unlimited" on Sprint's website just a longer blurb below that explains unlimited != unlimited.

    9. Re:Lad balancing? by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Because they rooted their phone (which violates the contract) and use it as their wifi access point. They are paying for phone service, not unlimited internet for their home entertainment system.

    10. Re:Lad balancing? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Because they paid for an "unlimited data" plan...

      Again, Sprint has not imposed any type of cap on their data consumption.

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    11. Re:Lad balancing? by adolf · · Score: 1

      Does Spring not allow tethering using standard, built-in Android methods?

    12. Re:Lad balancing? by Mitreya · · Score: 1

      They have said that they will prioritize Data Hogs such that other customers retain some kind of decent up/down speed. "Unlimited" does not mean you get the whole pipe.

      So how much should you get?
      Do you also consider people who pig out at buffets to be Food Hogs?

      Where do you draw the line? 5G? 10G? 15G? 23G? And if Verizon can name that line, why don't they sell 23G fast + unlimited slow internet?
      That's what I have from T-Mobile now (10G fast and then significantly throttled for the rest of the month), but surprisingly T-Mobile actually sells it as a 10G plan.

    13. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you agree T-mobile is advertising fraudulently and in bad faith?

    14. Re:Lad balancing? by adolf · · Score: 1

      There are people in the US who don't have proper broadband at their house (yes, even outside of Seattle).

      My parents, for example: They're not too awful far from any decent sized towns, but there's no cable or DSL in their semi-rural neighborhood -- folks half a mile away have cable and DSL, but there's no plans in place to put either on her road. They bought the house when dialup was the norm, and now they have a WISP which progressively throttles downloads. (A web page may load fast, but even a 40MB download will take ten minutes, though the first few megs are speedy enough. Youtube/Netflix is a joke except in the middle of the night, and even streaming low-bitrate Spotify barely works.)

      My mom uses an expensive VZW LTE hotspot when she needs to watch an instructional video, and has never experienced the simple pleasure of streaming videos without high cost.

      Or a friend of mine who lives in Shade, Ohio. Now sure, Shade is generally a very rural and hilly place, but there's no WISP in her valley. She gets her bandwidth over VZW LTE, expensively (and I'm sure she'd love to use Sprint instead, even on a best-effort basis, except there isn't any coverage there).

      Cellular is sometimes the best that folks can get. And if they were sold unlimited data, I expect them to be able to use unlimited data.

      (That said, Sprint's prioritization does seem to make some good sense to me, and is not dissimilar from the QoS rules on my own network.)

    15. Re:Lad balancing? by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      Sprint's policy is good for all its customers except Data Hogs who so narcissistic that they have no interest in anyone but themselves.

      The problem is that they paid for an unlimited plan. They probably chose Sprint specifically so that they could be data hogs, and is giving sprint thousands of dollars over the course of their 2 year contract. I wouldn't have a problem with this if they didn't call it "unlimited" on new contracts and in particular if they allowed those still under contract to complete the contract they signed up for. After the contract is up, I can understand, then those people can choose a different plan or provider or choose to accept the throttling. But if you went with Sprint specifically so you could have unlimited data, and now you're stuck with them because you're under contract, well then what they are doing should be illegal (I know, it's in their contract that they can do whatever the hell they want, which should in itself be illegal). Sprint should either be required to finish out the contract with their customer, or the customer should be allowed out of their contract without penalty. There is no indication that Sprint plans to do either one of those.

      Sprint has altered the deal. Pray they don't alter it any further.

    16. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 3, Insightful

      it takes a special kind of asshole to watch netflix on a cell phone. it's like being on a rubber dinghy with an asshole, and he uses the last remaining water to wash his socks.

    17. Re:Lad balancing? by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      I think that the problem is actually the fact of the ISPs (cellphone or fixed) selling a service that they are not able to provide. For example, my mobile operator sells me a 1mbps plan but their structure can only provide me actually 256kbps. The carriers insist on selling what they will never be able to fulfill and that is the problem.

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    18. Re:Lad balancing? by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Do you also consider people who pig out at buffets to be Food Hogs?

      You mean those all-you-can-eat buffets that throttle you by requiring food go in your mouth rather than a take-out container, and then put a cap on kicking you out at closing time?

      Yeah, I just get so angry at those places. They advertised all I could eat, then they want to apply reason to the deal after I'm in the door!

      Where do you draw the line? 5G? 10G? 15G? 23G?

      You put it somewhere reasonable, where the burden on the customer is not unjust, and the burden on the provider isn't unjust, either. Expecting the provider to support huge amounts of data transfer to every customer in a cell is unreasonable, and it's also unreasonable to throttle "unlimited" customers unnecessarily. Realistically, providers get to set limits wherever they want, and customers get to sue to have a court figure out what's reasonable.

      That's what I have from T-Mobile now ... but surprisingly T-Mobile actually sells it as a 10G plan.

      As a fellow T-Mobile customer, no, it's not. T-Mobile actually makes a big deal about advertising their unlimited service, only occasionally mentioning that it's throttled down to 3G speeds after some paid-for package amount. Their sales reps and detailed documents do make it clear that's how it works, but their big billboard ads are just as bad as anybody else.

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    19. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      look, no matter how much you whine, 23GB of data is PLENTY for a month. they got good reliable service and plenty of data. the company may have said some puffery, but companies do this all the time. often when you buy clothes or shoes there's an implied promise of endless orgasms, but it's not like you can sue if you don't get endless orgasms. or maybe YOU would...

    20. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Sprint would want you to effect more customers...

    21. Re:Lad balancing? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Sure they have... By having a decision on the quality of service to offer someone based on the *QUANTITY OF DATA * that the person has consumed. that's a data cap.... the fact that they just throttle speed rather than stop traffic entirely just amounts to a policy decision, but since that decision is based on the volume of data that was downloaded, that volume is still by all rights a data cap.

    22. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they rooted their phone (which violates the contract)

      Where in the contract does it prohibit rooting?

    23. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. The shock here is that someone was actually able to deliver over 20GB on Sprint's terribly slow and unreliable network. Your analogy is off too, this would be more like a whorehouse offering unlimited whores and then cutting you off after you get a mere 3 STD's. Data is the only component of a data plan, not like some extra selling point for clothes.

    24. Re: Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on T-Mobile -- what fraudulent advertising do you speak of? You get 4G speeds, for the amount of data you pay for, and then get throttled down after that (which is unlimited and there are no overage charges).

      I love the their plan. Much better than AT&T, where they bill you severely if you ever go over your allotment.

    25. Re: Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You run a speed test as soon as your plan is setup (right there in their store). If you don't get the advertised speed, then complain.

      I have never had an ISP not hit their mark perfectly -- trust but verify.

    26. Re:Lad balancing? by jhol13 · · Score: 2

      Bloody hell, back here (Finland) they advertise netflix-like services for tablets. Slogan goes "you can watch what ever you like where ever you like, when ever you like" and the picture shows a mobile phone and tablet. But then, they do not limit 4G in any way.
      Not that I mind some cap, but 23G is smallish (less than a movie per day).

    27. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      of course they advertise it! endless orgasms!*
      *you mileage may vary, not available in all areas.

    28. Re:Lad balancing? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      All those *updates* add up pretty quick.

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    29. Re:Lad balancing? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...it's like being on a rubber dinghy with an asshole, and he uses the last remaining water to wash his socks.

      What? I don't get it. You guys are sitting in a rubber dinghy, where, in the middle of the desert?

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    30. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      which updates are these?

    31. Re:Lad balancing? by marka63 · · Score: 1

      Which isn't the issue. The issue is that they are applying a limit to those customers above and beyond the inherent limits in the system. They are getting special negative treatment.

    32. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why cant the alternative be to not over sell your bandwidth.
      And if a cell site is congested add bandwidth.

      I dont buy unlimited to be last in line.

      Sprint customer who is leaving.

      A law center needs to talk to all these customers with unlimited about suing.

    33. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1
    34. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      i say these hoggy users should be cut off from the teat! go watch your porn on a laptop!

    35. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a real problem to you to use what you fucking pay for, fuck your kind all in your ass.
      I did not over sell my bandwidth they did that is in my opinion criminal.

    36. Re:Lad balancing? by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      only in america, when somebody promises you something for nothing

      Since when is a ~$2,000 contract "nothing"???

      Over 2 years that's $83 per month and most of that is paying for the handset.

      The thing about people who think their big contributors is that they actually aren't. Your $83 per month is nothing to a multi-billion dollar business in an industry with extremely high barriers to entry (and forget mentioning regulation, they're insignificant. The major barrier is the cost of infrastructure when it comes to the telecommunications industry). Industries like telecommunications aren't worried about losing one customer, mainly because they know that there's someone from a rival telco who has the exact same idea.

      You've reminded me of an event I witnessed in a liquor store a few months back. This guy in an average looking suit was berating the only clerk because he wouldn't carry a carton of beer out of the cool room for him. The guy certainly didn't look disabled and there was no-one else to man the counter. The argument boiled down to the fact the guy just didn't want to carry his own stuff and he was using every arrogant trick in the book. The old "I pay you wages", "I earn x hundred thousand a year", "I'm important", "I'm going to get you fired" and all the other tropes people with little man syndrome love to use. Then a old bloke in jeans and a jumper walks up to him and says "sunshine, you're no-one" and hands him a business card before taking his wine to the checkout. The arrogant guy was livid, threw the card to the ground and stormed out.

      I picked up the business card, it was a card from a mining giant and said "Director". The guy in an unassuming outfit buying wine was one of the richest people in Perth. I had to shake his hand and tell him he was a great bloke.

      Sorry for the Grandpa Simpson story (yes, I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time), but its a good lesson that you should never think you're too important and being humble and polite is more likely to get you what you want.

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    37. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "look, no matter how much you whine, 23GB of data is PLENTY for a month."

      I eat up more than that in two weeks just running Camfrog on my cell phone.

    38. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " They are paying for phone service"

      Incorrect. You are EXPLICITLY advertised *DATA* service on top of talk and text. On top of that, if you use a smart phone, most companies FORCE you onto a data plan even if you only want to use minutes.

    39. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only in america, when somebody promises you something for nothing, you can sue them when they don't deliver!

      Are you a moron?

    40. Re:Lad balancing? by marka63 · · Score: 2

      They can be cut off by not renewing the contract when its term is up. That is the legal way for Sprint to deal with this issue. As long as Sprint keeps renewing the contract then they must keep abiding by the contract. Unlimited means not applying limits in any shape or form.

      It is not up to you to decide how someone uses the data they have purchased.

    41. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      i think when something is a limited shared resource its up to everybody to make sure that people use the resource responsibly. maybe instead of capping it they should name and shame to top hogs on their website. with he phone numbers. i would be happy to give them a calL!~

    42. Re:Lad balancing? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Tethering is allowed, however: 1) you pay extra for a plan that allows it, and 2) You only get limited data (I think 6GB is the max)

    43. Re:Lad balancing? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Sprint does not offer a plan which allows tethering with unlimited data. You can get unlimited data but no tethering, or tethering with limited data. To get unlimited and tethering you need to root the phone and violate the contract.

    44. Re:Lad balancing? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Semantics. The service they offer is intended to be used on your smart phone, not used as a wifi hotspot.

    45. Re:Lad balancing? by marka63 · · Score: 1

      And you get that by sharing out the resource (air time) over the *current* users. It doesn't matter how much someone used yesterday or even 5 minutes ago. They used their fair share at those times. If you are on at 2 in the morning and you are the only customer on the tower then your fair share is the entire capability of the tower. If there are 5000 customers using the tower at once then your fair share is 1/5000th of the tower. The only really grey area is do you measure this over the second, minute or 3 minutes? Beyond that what you used verses what everyone else is using becomes irrelevant to the fairness of sending the next packet.

    46. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      sprint is doing smart slimming only when resources are low. if there's not enough food and you've already had a full dinner then when the food line is long maybe you should step aside for the people who haven't had anything to eat yet

    47. Re: Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unlimited and bandwidth restricted (throttled) go hand in hand in my mind. Keep in mind I'm an ex-noc for deutche telecom, so I am naturally partial to t-mobile, but I'll take 2mbps unlimited any time over 30+mbps for 3-4gb.

      I want to mirror the Internet; been doing it since 1997

    48. Re:Lad balancing? by marka63 · · Score: 2

      This isn't a food line.

      Lets say the user used the 23G watching netflix at night and now needs the internet to be doing work during the day. Is it really fair that his work usage gets penalised because he watched netflix at night when he bought a unlimited contract.

      If he bought a 23G contract which said "If you are over 23G and there is congestion we will speed limit you." then I would have no complaint as he mismanaged the data he has purchased.

    49. Re:Lad balancing? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      i say these hoggy users should be cut off from the teat! go watch your porn on a laptop!

      Great idea! The screen is much bigger (See? Size DOES matter) and it's easy enough to tether the computer to the phone for connectivity. Heck, now I can even run it split screen so when one video gets boring maybe the other side won't be. it's only twice as much data -- NP with an unlimited account.

      Thanks for the idea!

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    50. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And really, why would anyone download 23 GB in a month on their cell phone data plan? Because you are an asshole?

      Maybe they live someplace where AT&T and Verizon don't want to install fiber or even DSL, buy laws to prevent communities from installing their own municipal fiber or cable and would prefer to force people to use their capped, overpriced wireless service.

    51. Re:Lad balancing? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      The difference is I live in a society with rules and fair treatment for your neighbor and heart but you seem to be in some sort of Donald trump Ann rand utopia.

    52. Re:Lad balancing? by marka63 · · Score: 1

      So what is fair about penalising someone for using something in the past that would just go to waste if it wasn't used? You can't save up cell time on a tower to be used later. You either use it when it is available or it is gone.

      As for these so called data hogs they aren't. This is the Sprint CEO using emotive words to get you to buy into his attempt to con you which appears to have succeeded.

      If the unlimited data users were being given priority then you would have a valid complaint but they are not. They were being given a equal share to airtime compared to everyone else trying to use the system at the same time. Now they are being discriminated against.

      They paid to be able to send/request data whenever they want regardless of how much other data they have sent in the month on a equal basis to every other user attempting to send at the same time.

      The Sprint CEO is rewarding the cheap skates that didn't shell out for a unlimited plan.

    53. Re:Lad balancing? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Sprint said the policy operates in real time and only applies if a cell site is constrained. Performance for an affected customer returns to normal as soon as the local traffic returns to normal.

      That's what companies say but it's never what they do. Back in the 90s, DirecPC (Now HughesNet) implemented The FAP. Fair (it wasn't) Access (it impeded access) Policy (no customer-facing employees knew about it so it wasn't much of a policy). After the class action was started, they claimed it was only used when a transponder was saturated. So I declared on the usenet group that I was going to leave a download going all night and if someone from DPC happened to send me a copy of the log, I'd show that I was being throttled consistently while transponder use declined. So I started my data transfer, went to bed, then got up early to stop it before daytime rates kicked in. Soon after, a log was forwarded to me showing that night's traffic. There was my stream chugging along at a steady rate while utilization steadily dropped off until I was almost the only traffic on the transponder when I stopped the download.

      But that kind of information is almost never available to the consumer. I never found out who was leaking information but somebody on the inside was not happy with what was happening and they were feeding us just about everything we asked for.

      They tell you that these throttling policies only kick in when traffic is heavy on a particular transponder/cell/node and the restrictions are lifted as soon as traffic drops off but it's a lie. A lie they know you can't prove without a contact on the inside feeding you information that will get them fired if they're caught.

    54. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Conversely...

      ITYM: "Similarly".

      Frankly, if a telco can't service the contracts with the money they're getting, they need to raise the rates.

      > Your $83 per month is nothing to a multi-billion dollar business... The major barrier is the cost of infrastructure...

      How did that infrastructure get paid for? Government grants? If it wasn't grants, then *someone* is going to want that money back. If the telco doesn't make its money back through customer contracts, then how *does* it make its money?

      *Surely* you're not trying to tell me either that all telcos run at a loss, or that all telcos are possible through government subsidies.

    55. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be a shill. 23GB is nothing if you consume media.

      Your orgasm shit is a terrible straw-man, try better next time.

    56. Re: Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your quaint little society is about to change, radically. You would be better off adapting and cooperating or... It might be unpleasant for you. Change in inevitable: embrace it.

    57. Re:Lad balancing? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      They fight over less than nothing for each customer -- look at all the contract buyout plans where another company will buy out your current contract (pay your early termination fees) and give you a better deal on top of it . Yes that $83 means a lot, multiplied by millions. They fight over years of negative profit per customer.

      This is all about just forcing truth into claims of "unlimited" in advertising. No, you don't get to advertise unlimited-asterisk-pay-no-attention-to-the-little-man-behind-the-curtain-until-after-you-sign.

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    58. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but for moments when the network is congested,"

      So... all moments, then?

    59. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it takes a special kind of asshole to watch netflix on a cell phone

      Frequent business traveler pipes netflix through cell phone into non-smart tv via hdmi.

    60. Re:Lad balancing? by chilenexus · · Score: 1

      This does seem like the best policy, and what consumers really need to harshly strong-arm ATT and VZW into: zero throttling or data caps until the tower you're on is congested, then the highest users/abusers get throttled first/most. There's no reason to put up with throttling of your connection when it's 2AM and you're one of only 2 people using the local tower. If there's no actual congestion at that moment, then the practice is just them pressuring you to pay for a more expensive plan and really ought to be outlawed by the PUC.

    61. Re:Lad balancing? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      They probably didn't pay for "Unlimited" data. They probably paid for "Unlimited*" data. The asterisk is important and you should find out what those mean before signing something. If you don't agree with the terms then don't pay for the service.

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    62. Re:Lad balancing? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Your $83 per month is nothing to a multi-billion dollar business...

      Conversely, your 23gb of data should really be 'nothing' to a company that moves exabytes.

      I agree here. Mostly.

      My telco gave me a "free" 1 GB of data with my pre-paid recharge this month. I have no illusions that the data has a much lower actual cost than they're claiming.

      However the problem isn't the data volume, it's bandwidth that's limited. Volume is just the way telco's regulate it. If everyone had unlimited caps, a small number of people will just stream and download constantly. Given that mobile connections have extremely limited bandwidth (5-20 MHz) to be shared (time and frequency division) amongst many subscribers it doesn't take much to saturate a connection.

      Of course the fairer system would be to give people unlimited data usage but filter speed based on current load, so you could go mad at 3 AM in the suburbs but you would also be restrained at 1PM in the CBD. This will never happen because:
      1. It would be far too difficult to explain to the average mobile user.
      2. It would be far too difficult to explain to the average mobile user. I know this is technically only one point, it's just so big I thought I'd mention it twice.
      3. It would be expensive for the telco's to implement and police.
      4. Users will complain (see points 1 and 2).

      So I understand why telco's are metering data, unmetered data made sense back in the old days of GPRS and EDGE where data speeds maxed out at 256 KB/s but not now where we have LTE and soon, LTE Advanced. I also understand that they're taking the piss with low data limits in some countries (most notably Australia).

      Also telco's can't simply just build more towers. This is limited first by economics, then by physics.

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    63. Re: Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      throttling is just their way of making more money by resisting upgrade of their systems. why invest in a system that can handle the demand when its free to limit unlimited users

    64. Re:Lad balancing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your connection is that important for work, then you should either not be relying on a cellular connection, or if you really must, you should have another connection as well for when one connection has issues like poor signal (or in this case congestion).

      Now, I do understand what you are getting at, but people should really know better than believing you can have unlimited use of a limited resource even if the advertising claims "unlimited".

  3. Hmm by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    How are they going to throttle their service any more that Sprint already does? I have Sprint and 3G is glacially slow (unusable for anything but email) and LTE only somewhat faster. I'm not even sure I COULD download 23GB in a month!

    1. Re:Hmm by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough when I had sprint pandora ran fine even on 3g but now that I've got 4g on T-Mobile it constantly catches and skips.

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  4. Why 23, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, why 23GB? Why not 20GB? Or 25GB? What's with that random number that makes it so special?

    1. Re:Why 23, though? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      its 20GiB. you have to think digitally.

    2. Re:Why 23, though? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      It's a prime number between 20 and 25.

    3. Re:Why 23, though? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Probably because AT&T is at 22, and Sprint is probably trying to one-up them. (No, I don't know where 22 came from, but it's loads better than when it was 5.)

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    4. Re:Why 23, though? by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 1

      They probably took a look at the data and saw that only five (or whatever) percent of users used more than that.

    5. Re:Why 23, though? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't it be 16 or 24 GiB, if they were doing it on a binary basis?

    6. Re:Why 23, though? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      look, i don't really have the time to do numbers (i pay others for that), but I do know that 23 GB is not just some random number. everything happens for a reason, kk?

    7. Re:Why 23, though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, why 23GB? Why not 20GB? Or 25GB? What's with that random number that makes it so special?

      This, obviously.

    8. Re:Why 23, though? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Seriously, why 23GB? Why not 20GB? Or 25GB? What's with that random number that makes it so special?

      I saw a documentary about that:

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt04...

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    9. Re:Why 23, though? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      This [wikipedia.org], obviously.

      I knew it. I knew had to be some Illuminati shit.

      I'll bet Sprint is run by freemasons or something.

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  5. When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's all be assholes! (seriously the fact that any of the telcoms got away with advertising anything "unlimited" is amazing. Lobbying power and Bullshit make wonderful bed partners.

    1. Re:When in Rome by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 0

      seriously the fact that any of the telcoms got away with advertising anything "unlimited" is amazing. Lobbying power and Bullshit make wonderful bed partners.

      What's not "unlimited" about it? Did they add a data cap to the plan? No they didn't.They simply said they would prioritize Data Hogs such that normal customers were not as greatly impacted by the Data hogs.. Nobody said you could have the whole pipe.

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    2. Re:When in Rome by r-diddly · · Score: 1

      Say k is the portion (from 0% to 100%) of the "pipe" that I "can have."

      If I can't have the whole pipe, that's a limit: k cannot equal 100%.

      Hell, if a pipe exists in the first place, that too is a limit: k cannot exceed 100%.

      Mind you this is all expected by rational adults. But it's still worth noting "unlimited" was untrue from the getgo.

      Now they're saying that when my monthly cumulative usage hits 23GB they will throttle speed, which is another limit.

      That's 3 limits. Things with limits are not unlimited.

      You have answered your own question, grasshopper.

    3. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for proving my point. Assholes always quote the "fine print."

    4. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The advertise "unlimuted data", not "unlimited speed", moron.

    5. Re:When in Rome by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      When AT&T first started throttling, not only did they do it far below the amount of data a less expensive tier was offering, but they also made it so slow that it compared to landline-modem speeds. So while you were watching commercials of AT&T users watching videos on their phone, you found yourself barely getting email. Worse, if you had paid $5/mo LESS, you would have had an extra gig or two of the useful speed.

      In short, AT&T set the tone that unlimited plans with throttling meant, for most practical purposes, there was a cap in place. In fact AT&T was recently slapped with a hugenormous fine over it. It's not surprising at all that any move that a carrier makes with regards to unlimited customers comes under scrutiny. Frankly I'm just glad people are paying attention to it.

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    6. Re: When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speed S is related to data D over time T by: S x T = D Just remember STD, which is what yo momma gave me.

    7. Re:When in Rome by CaTfiSh · · Score: 2

      One might construe from "unlimited" that it means unlimited use of a service as described. Not, unlimited until you reach a cap where you'll receive a 2nd tier service. As for its impact on other customers, either you can manage an "unlimited" offering, or you can't. The term is deceptive, despite being in the contract. They simply need to find another descriptor for their service.

    8. Re:When in Rome by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Yes, they did add a data cap to the plan.... the cap being 23G. The fact that they merely throttle speed at that point instead of stopping service entirely or charging more money at that point is just a corporate policy decision, but ultimately it is still a decision made by the company based on the *quantity of data* that one has used, and at the end of the day that decision still amounts to a data cap.

      I have no real objection to companies that want to throttle speeds of people who they have noted are consuming more than some certain amount of data monthly, but when they have the audacity to still call those plans "unlimited", those shenanigans need to be called out.

    9. Re:When in Rome by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      they never promised you any set speed and when they first sold those unlimited plans the speeds topped out around 1mbps, so this is perfectly fair. they are capping you at the top speed they originally promised you

    10. Re:When in Rome by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      How much air do you have? You can't use more than two lungs-worth at a time. You can't use more than the number of breaths in a lifetime.

      It has no theoretical limit, but has a practical limit.

      Much like bandwidth. You can use the "Average" use without limits. But if you run a compression machine designed to liquify the entire atmosphere and store it in a liquid state in the crust, someone will stop you.

      Representing that as someone holding their hand over your mouth, suffocating you, makes you sound like an idiot, grasshopper.

    11. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of Rome... or places outside the US

      In India, when I had BSNL's DSL 'service', they too sold an 'unlimited' plan, which carried just 250MB of data on it. The moment you touched it, your access was totally cut off, until you paid for another 250, or 500, or whatever it was you wanted. When I moved to Airtel, things got somewhat better - we had data rates throttled by half for the balance of the month once we hit the limit.

      And this was for DSL - not even for mobile plans. That's why people in the US really have it great, when broadband is defined as 25Mbps, as opposed to 250kbps in India

    12. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the pipe is less than the entire Internet, you are already limited. All you are doing is proving that your definition of "unlimited" is unrealistic and absurd.

      If they can't serve you the entire Internet 10 times every 10 seconds, you already have limits. They don't cap you. That's the general use for "unlimited".

      Next you'll be complaining because their "broadband" service is provided over baseband. Go on, sue them for that and see how far you get.

    13. Re:When in Rome by marka63 · · Score: 2

      Which is apply a limit above and beyond those inherent in the system. Unlimited means unlimited. If a packet comes there will be a attempt to transmit it. If the buffer overflow on the transmitting path then it overflow. This is expected behaviour of a IP system.

      If you preferentially drop packets because the destination has a unlimited plan then you are applying a limit. It may be a soft limit but it is a limit.

    14. Re:When in Rome by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      "Unlimited" refers to the amount of data, not the rate

    15. Re:When in Rome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They sold me unlimited, but I can't download anymore because I'm dead! I'd sue if I weren't dead!

    16. Re:When in Rome by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Smart people always read the fine print. Do people just not understand contracts and not read them? Don't sign what you don't agree to.

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  6. *Load* balancing by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Yipes...bad fingers. Bad.

    1. Re:*Load* balancing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries. Every English lad here can appreciate the joke.

  7. Unlimited? by chris200x9 · · Score: 1

    You can't have unlimited even with no throttling you will always be limited by the speed. I find it kind of weird how they tie data caps to speeds but not speeds to data caps. My home internet is 75 Mbs but does that mean I can use 75 Mbs 24/7? No. Do these wireless providers hard cap you? No. If anything I think this throttling is much more fair and truthful than advertising speeds with caps.

    1. Re:Unlimited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have "unlimited" Internet with my wired ISP up here in Canuckistan. Yes, that actually does mean I can use my full provisioned speed, 24/7. It seems to me that it would be absolutely unfair and misleading if someone else started claiming their service was also "unlimited", but it was only full-speed up to 23 GB. Why can't they just advertise it as "no data overage charges; full speed up to 23 GB" instead of "unlimited"?

    2. Re:Unlimited? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't they just advertise it as "no data overage charges; full speed up to 23 GB" instead of "unlimited"?

      This is what T-Mobile does. It's why I switched to them from Fuck-me-up-the-Verizon and laugh every time Verizon tries to act like it was a bad break-up and they'd be ok to have me back now.

    3. Re:Unlimited? by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I find it kind of weird how they tie data caps to speeds but not speeds to data caps."

      What's weird about it? They want to falsely advertise what they offer from the very beginning and they use the system that makes their false advertisement more palatable for their victi^H^H customers.

  8. Re: Republican logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And you pointed out the ridiculousness of their position.

  9. 4K movies will be around 100 gigabytes in size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting to sound like a dated service, as 4K movies via them from Netflix are that size (or only a few HD movies).

    1. Re:4K movies will be around 100 gigabytes in size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "4K" 2160p movie 120 minutes long is ~19GB when using HEVC h.265 encoding. Watching 4K on a screen less than 25 inches is pointless, so no one should be watching it on a phone or tablet.

      Having said that, Sprint sucks for joining the other thieves. Cell service providers ion the U.S. all suck! They lie cheat and steal from thier customers. They treat their customers like totally shit, yet people still line up in their stores for hours(!) in order for the chance to throw money at them.

    2. Re:4K movies will be around 100 gigabytes in size by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      then netflix needs to join everyone else and offer caching to the device

  10. A little much by Mantrid42 · · Score: 1

    Couldn't they just lower the bandwidth, rather than choking customers?

    1. Re:A little much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you bothered to read the article, you would see its only a QoS setting that takes affect when the cell is busy.

    2. Re:A little much by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Depending on your definition of "lower" and "choking" that's exactly what they are doing. They are fairly sharing the pipe among all the users, with those who have used the most getting a smaller share, and those using the least getting a higher share, so someone who tries to use more will always get more, and someone who tries to use less will always get less.

      It's not a hard cap at 23G, but a lower priority once you enter the 1%er level.

    3. Re:A little much by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If you'd bothered to read the comment, you would see it's a joke.

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  11. Re:Republican logic by guruevi · · Score: 1, Informative

    Corporations are only people when it comes to political donations, otherwise they are entities unbound by law.

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  12. This Guy Gets It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As harsh as it may seem to you and I, Sprint seems to have a choking fetish and totally gets off when throttling their customers. I find it quite disgusting.

    On a more serious note, Sprint can eat a bag of dicks! UNLIMITED doesn't mean limited to 23GB.

    1. Re:This Guy Gets It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone posted an excerpt of the article earlier up there ^^. They are simply putting leeches in their place to preserve quality of service to everyone else.

  13. commentsubjectsaredumb by Falos · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Misleading headline, if what I hear is true. It's reactive throttling, not active. And to hit 23GB you're probably an upper member of the millions of streaming drones that have taken over the tubes. Literally. The statistics put streamers at more tube than everything else combined. So don't expect me to play a violin for your reduced speed, which it turns out is a minor impact unless you're (lol) streaming.

    Have those faggots not developed buffer solutions yet? Johnny the Pirate can not only queue up his Lord of the Rings the night before during soft hours, but also watch it locally forever. Without stutter or overcompression.

    But if he's watching as much video as the 23 giggers, they both need better ways to fill their day. I'd say "Get a job." but that's turning into a poor joke as the paycheck club gets more and more exclusive.

    1. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They have buffers, and always have. What they don't have is full downloads that would allow people to "steal" the movies.

    2. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by davidwr · · Score: 1

      And to hit 23GB you're probably an upper member of the millions of streaming drones that have taken over the tubes.

      Or you are tethering 7 or 8 computers whose OS-vendor sucked down a 3GB "major vers10n update" to each of them whether you asked for it or not.

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    3. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon Prime has full downloads with a 24h license (renewable) for some of their offerings.

      I wish Netflix would keep an eye on their competitors... I really like the idea of a company that 1) is not a subsidiary of the entrenched media players and 2) their product is movie rentals and streaming (as opposed to their product being my attention), and 3) that's all they sell, but jeez they can't seem to avoid making mistakes like essentially doubling prices in a single step where they tried to spin off the only part of their business where they they had some control, or publicly salivating over the savings they were going to have when Saturday postal service was to be phased out.

    4. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by delt0r · · Score: 1

      I really hate that. Really. Even for non wireless. Hell even linux distros do that now. One reason i stick to slackware.

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    5. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Have those faggots not developed buffer solutions yet?

      No, they don't have the brains : http://mrbrains.co.uk/products...

      Do try and avoid bigoted insults, they make you look like a twat.

    6. Re:commentsubjectsaredumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I exhausted the majority of my angry hate reactor on streamfags, with deliberate, "toxic" shots fired, yet you seem to have interpreted a stray cinder to make the story arson. Arson being homophobia, if that metaphor is too subtle. Apparently the reactor core was.

      Since I have to be explicit: I don't bigot-hate them. I frown on the overzealous ones, but that sentiment applies identically to everything from comparable bronies to religiderps (including the noisier atheists). I even have to prescribe pretentious scorn-chemo to recalibrate the clumsier peers in some of my own interests. But today my hate is for normals clogging the pipes with reality (lol) TV and the netflixes for not caring. We went through plenty of peering drama headlines earlier, but the state of congestion is already forgotten.

      Vitriol aside, any sort of semi-silver bullet for streaming's distro models (yes, Netflix in particular) may become more valuable if the growth of consumption keeps outpacing infrastructure's. On a less practical note, I guess the ISPs would be happy for more room to slack. It would also mean less streamer wailing over sudden load wheels, which I _guess_ I would be happy about. Assuming they weren't watching something full retard. Yes, I hate the mentally and physically handicapped. Note that the novice-friendly sarcasm there would've been vaguer if they spent half as many hours grinding Victim: The Game.

      If that last shenanigan seems forced, I needed it to win troll bingo.

      What, no high-five?

  14. What are you people doing with your lives? by kheldan · · Score: 2

    I have to question how anyone can use 23GB of data per month on a cellphone. Seriously, what are you doing with your life if you're using the Internet on your phone that much? It's excessive and I really can't blame Sprint for making the decision they're making, and anyone who is using anywhere near that much on their phone in a month on a regular basis, in my opinion, needs to take a hard look at what they're doing and why, and make some lifestyle changes.

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    1. Re: What are you people doing with your lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used a whopping 60 MB of cell data for the past 2 weeks. I keep my phone on WiFi, and only hit the cell data when driving (for navigation mainly).

      T-Mobile gives me 10GB at 4G speeds and I never get close. Even if I did hit their 10G limit and get throttled to 3G speeds, I doubt I'd even notice.

    2. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any video streaming and not paying attention if you're on Wi-Fi, or not caring because the cellular connection is oodles faster than your wire based internet connection your Wi-Fi connects to.

      Alternatively, those asshats that use it as their primary internet connection and stream NetFlix in HD.

    3. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      The real heavy hitters have to be tethering, but there are normal use cases that can consume 23GB a month on the phone itself. Streaming practically anything adds up faster than you might notice.

      Let's look at Spotify. They stream at 160kbps (72MB/hr) when you choose high quality, and paid Spotify users get a 320kbps (144MB/hr) option. Suppose you routinely leave Spotify streaming throughout your 8 hour workday; I know people who do this. Over the course of a month, 4 x 40-hour weeks, the 160kbps stream will use up 11.5 gigs of data. Interestingly enough, that means the 320kbps stream will use up... 23 gigs! Anyway, that's just listening to background noise while you're at work.

      Now add in a month's worth of checking emails, random brief web surfing sessions, watching some funny YouTube clips here and there, checking in with a couple of games, poking around at a sports scoreboard app full of refreshy ajaxy bandwidth-hungry gadgets, posting a dozen 2MB photos to Facebook and Instagram every day, watching your local TV news livestream during your lunch break and/or the train ride home, and all the other shit people like doing on their phone. It adds up. You and I might not use our phones like that, but look around. Millions of people do.

      23 gigs isn't the enormous quantity of data that it once was, especially when we're being constantly bombarded with advertisements telling us to consume even more.

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    4. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

      Your opinion is terrible. Maybe I'm on vacation and I hooked up my cell phone to the hotel's TV with an MHL cable and streamed movies from Amazon Prime in the evenings. Last time I checked, an HD stream from Amazon can run around 2 gigs per hour. You could exceed 23 gigs in a week just watching a movie a day. On a TV, not the phone's display. Did I just blow your mind??? I'm glad the world isn't limited by your imagination.

    5. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Your opinion is terrible

      and that is your opinon. If you don't like mine then that's tough for you.

      I'm glad the world isn't limited by your imagination

      Jerk.

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    6. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by Shados · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't use much (3-4gb a month), but i can easily see how someone could do more:

      1) watching movies in bed
      2) tethering from a coffee shop.

      When you have unlimited, some habits also change...I have an unlimited plan now (promotion, obviously I wouldnt with my usage), and I'll do stuff like download a large game while walking to the subway because....I can.

    7. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't what the cell network is for, which is why he said you should reevaluate how you use the service if you're doing that. There is only so much spectrum, and the cell phone network simply doesn't have the capacity for everyone to use the service like that.

      In fact, the way it is right now just a handful of people with tethered phones using them like you describe will result in degraded service for everyone on that tower.

      This is why wireless providers tried to block tethering apps on the Android App store. They lost that battle. So now this is what we get, the removal of unlimited plans and more data caps.

      Frankly, the way Sprint is handling this here, throttling the heavy users during prime time access, is the nicest and most reasonable way to handle the situation.

    8. Re:What are you people doing with your lives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try going outside on vacation, it's wonderful.

  15. Jews Queues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sell it as Unlimited.

    (then after you jerk your pole and set the hook on paper... reel suckers in. There are bunch of companies jacking consumers like this now. Being hoes for the money is trending.)

    Policy Change.
    Unlimited for 5 minutes so yes, it's Unlimited as fuck.

    After 5 minutes... throttled. Sorry, we didn't mean unlimited as in the actual definition of the word. Our company doesn't actually mean what we say.

    Takes your mind off this though.
    http://www.usdebtclock.org/

  16. Maybe by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just maybe, they are in those lovely parts of the US of A where they can't get decent broadband. You know, where the big pipe providers skipped because it wouldn't be profitable or promised a fiber rollout for everyone and didn't deliver.

    With this in mind, perhaps tethering is their only access to the net. Or, they're running a cellular enabled router ( Like say a Cisco 819 ) to provide a household with net access.

    So while it's possible someone is watching Netflix via their phone, or streaming music 25 hours a day, 8 days a week, don't rule out the possibility that, due to the carriers greed, their phone may be one of the few options they have.

    1. Re:Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is ME! I have an old farm property 25 miles south of Milwaukee, just 3 miles west of I-94. Not "out there" by any means. Cable terminates 1 mile down the road; no DSL; no U-verse; HughesNet has strict caps; and the one microwave internet provider in the area, I don't have line of sight to their towers. So, I have no access to broadband via wire. I *do* have an unlimited data plan with good LTE signal, so I use in excess of 100GB per month due to streaming video. Am **I** the bad guy because I was sold unlimited data and actually use it?

    2. Re:Maybe by CMYKjunkie · · Score: 1

      I posted this a little while ago and didn't know I wasn't logged in show it shows up from an AC, but anyhow... This is ME! I have an old farm property 25 miles south of Milwaukee, just 3 miles west of I-94. Not "out there" by any means. Cable terminates 1 mile down the road; no DSL; no U-verse; HughesNet has strict caps; and the one microwave internet provider in the area, I don't have line of sight to their towers. So, I have no access to broadband via wire. I *do* have an unlimited data plan with good LTE signal, so I use in excess of 100GB per month due to streaming video. Am **I** the bad guy because I was sold unlimited data and actually use it?

  17. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  18. Truckers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the people I've heard of using large amounts of data are truckers. Watch Netflix while on required stops, or have your phone do some torrenting while you drive. Sometimes streaming radio, but there's sat radio for that. The gigs rack up when there's never any wifi.

  19. Give me what I signed up for by davidwr · · Score: 2

    If I'm grandfathered into a discontinued unlimited plan, keep letting me use the highest speeds that were available when you stopped offering the plan to new customers.

    In 2020 I'll either be content with "slow" 2015-era speeds or I'll switch plans (or carriers).

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
  20. We are going to have a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of dead master baiters.

  21. Throttling Customers by Phics · · Score: 1

    ** Hands around customer's throat **

    You're using too much bandwidth! Stop it!

    --
    There are two types of people in the world; those who believe there are two types of people, and those who don't.
    1. Re:Throttling Customers by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      "Why you little...!"

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  22. luck suing AT&T? by nazsco · · Score: 1

    at&t charged me at the end of last year almost $800 for data on my unlimited plan.

    do i have any chance of suing them? if you want to work pro-bono for 100% of the proceeds at the end, let me know.

  23. You are a cock-sucking faggot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and 640k ought to be enough for anybody.

  24. More about prioritization than a hard cap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's important to note that per the original article this isn't about a hard cap, as much as prioritization.

    From the actual article:
    "This QoS practice is intended to protect against a small minority of unlimited customers who use high volumes of data and unreasonably take-up network resources during times when the network is constrained. It’s important to note that this QoS technique operates in real-time and only applies if a cell site is constrained. Prioritization is applied or removed every 20 milliseconds. And performance for the affected customer returns to normal as soon as traffic on the cell site also returns to normal, or the customer moves to a non-constrained site."

    So they are only throttling customers that go over 23GB, AND are on a over burdened cell site. It's not a simple case of go over 23GB and immediately we slow your connection down as the article summary indicates.

    Secondly, to those that say 23GB is reasonable for people who might be using their cell phone for tethering as their only internet access.. keep in mind that tethering is not allowed on Sprint unlimited plans (though you can probably get away with it in small amounts using a 3rd party program), you have to purchase a tethering package separately which has specific bandwidth caps.

  25. Net Neutrality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much for the so called Net Neutrality.

    Anonymous predicted this would happen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7WHoqsRuxU